is the mob's leading it. v network. >> guest: it is funny. like msnbc is the video demonstration of my book. the sloganneering, repetition, the turning enemies, turning opponents into enemis. turning their leaders into messiahs. that is what obama has talked about on that network since it made fun of -- he makes my leg tingle and for a moment i forgot he was black. that is their version of group think. >> host: the mob is immune to facts. >> guest: yes. i believe i give many examples of that. what is frustrating is having the same argument over and over again. people complain about sean hannity being repetitive. and buddy is out there.

we make tired of making the same arguments when you can't get liberals of -- like a record playing the same thing over and over again and one of the examples i give in my book is the hysteria over color were over releasing valerie plane's name and put her life in danger. we know from the new york times itself. it was richard armitage who opposed the war in iraq. he was their guy, not our guy. and he wasn't prosecuted, and yet that is out. it is a fact and yet we still have articles by maureen dowd and hollywood movies talking about the evil carl rove destroying valerie plane's life by committing a felony releasing her name. >> host: a recent claim that j. low and mark canton targeting divorced, she gets half of his tips from appleby is. ginger in corpus christi, you are on the air with ann coulter.

>> caller: hello. you go ahead and play with that beautiful hair. i wanted to say to you you and i are on the same plane. i could talk to you all day. i knew you were going to be -- the joy earhart show. itunes in just to see you. i want you to comment on how rude -- she is so rude to you. [talking over each other] >> i forgot to mention her as one of the liberals are like. >> caller: makes no sense when she -- >> guest: she is a comedian and i think she is very funny. i keep raising liberal comedian says ones are like. if it is funny i don't care what the point is. she is funny and she kind of as

a fun show because she can never stay on more than one topic for 30 seconds. i start to answer like her straight man and she will make a joke and be washed off on to something else. that is her style. and i must say she is on headline news sell as part of the cnn family, peers morgan, julie baker and of the three the only one who has read any of my book was joy baker. the other two didn't even know what it was about. has not cracked it. didn't ask me a question on the book. liberals are always sneering at fox news for being lowbrow. cnn seems to think by putting on attractive foreigners on tv that is proof of what intellectuals they are. no one on fox news who interviewed me have not read at least part if not all of my book and they did the same thing for

liberal authors. over on cnn they are retarded idiots and unattractive and have 4 x answer your suppose to think they're smart. >> host: do you get along off the set? >> guest: unlike her. she is very funny. >> host: have you ever done the view? >> guest: four times. >> host: what is the reception? >> guest: three times were fantastic. and a lot of fun. and the penultimate time for guilty, they see that. the only difference in that time compared to the other three were the barbara walters. . by process of elimination that has something to do with the maltreatment are received. >> host: kathy in washington d.c. you are on with ann coulter. >> this is patrick at sister.

republican friend in washington d.c.. we have a president whose father abandoned him. his grandparents raised him. in d.c. we have much of this along with very high unemployment rate. but the president wet our d.c. tax money get earmarked and went to the chili bowl. we don't want home rule. i thank you so much, ann. >> host: next call from tom in tucson, arizona. you are on with author ann coulter. >> you talk about atheist libertarians. i was wondering what your thoughts and feelings are about atheist conservative as. >> guest: very confused. >> host: y? >> guest: if you don't believe in god, why not just be a liberal? life would be so much easier.

you would be so handsome and intelligent and no matter what blather you put out you would be published on the op-ed page of the new york time. life would be a dream if you don't care about your sold. >> host: caroline in memphis, tennessee. >> caller: yes, ann. have read several of your books. the community constantly that america is about to fall. they are saying that our economic policy and social policy, i am very disturbed at hearing this news because people like you who distort reality, who law i, the black the country as far as liberalism and conservatism, you people are destroying this country. >> guest: what books of mine have you read? >> caller: i have read

"demonic". people who support you -- >> guest: which coulter did you like the most? can you name a single chapter? >> caller: yard bringing down our country. >> guest: my oldest brother was single, he met girls in our sunni upper east side and use to claim he was from boise, idaho. no one believed him but only one girl was smart enough to say name one other town in idaho. what chapter titles do you have of those books you read of mine? 200 nor the ineffective and and to the question there's always hope that america. we are in a terrible time right now and you might spend to keep this in mind next time you go to a voting booth. we have had full democratic policy. obama was in office for two years with a democrat house and democrats senate and this is what we get. big government to the exclusion of small government.

spending more money. we have to pay. that is a problem but it can be turned around. think of the dark days of jimmy carter. and the sun rises, birds are singing and ronald reagan as president. there's always hope in america after this nonsense about the greatness of america is bipartisan compromise to grow the welfare state. that is not the greatness of america. you are missing the point of the word debate in political debate. the point of the lincoln douglas debate was not to compromise. the point of churchill's we shall fight on the beaches speech was not to compromise with hitler. we have different views of the government. the role of government. the role of raising taxes and what the government should be doing and what we should be paying the government to do and we're going to fight about it and i'm going to make my point the best icahn. >> host: do you think was school

helped you? >> guest: i hate to admit anything good about what school whatsoever. one thing that i think most lawyers who become writers in general are better at or at least have a more natural inclination to understand the other point of view to see that there are two sides, to argue against the best version of the other side's argument and not to build up straw mans. that doesn't work in court and it doesn't work in a book. i write my book the little too much like a legal brief and ease end up cutting some of the counterarguments are making before anyone made the argument. >> host: the first chapter of high crimes and misdemeanors is the prosecution's case on in peaking president clinton?

>> i haven't read that one for a while. i like that book. it made important points and brought up important history. i don't specifically remember the first chapter. but yes. that was basically the idea of the way the book was written. >> host: we often talk on washington journal here on c-span about to people who only read a conservative paper or conservative publications or only read liberal publications or watch a certain network. do you cross over? >> guest: very few conservatives because -- i will read conservative -- widely defined -- what the effects are. a lot of conservative writers will tell you, i know rush limbaugh doesn't listen to other radio hosts and tends to avoid unless another that enough people say you should read this

column by so and so and i understand that because he wants to look at the facts and formulate your ideas fresh. sometimes i will wait a month or six months or a few years and go back and read writers i really like like mark stein or david limbaugh or -- absolutely sure i am not going to write on this subject, this dispute we had recently -- a few other things. i am not going to write about this. then i can read those. 5 going to write about i don't want to see what any other conservative had to say about it. i don't know how you could read only conservatives. little footnote on that. you can't avoid the liberal noise machine. can't get away from it. >> host: is rush limbaugh the leader of the republican party? if not, who is?

>> guest: what happened, i loved michael steele. he is referring to the head of the republican national committee. the vote was coming. i love michael steele. the attacks on him were utterly unfair. same thing they do all the time. they put together one fake scandal after another but everybody forgets that turned out not to be true and they put together all the dead ends they had taken you down as if all these gambles around michael steele. ferociously defending michael steele and demanding his reelection and that was the weekend of the tucson shooting. michael said sorry. that is what i have to write about. we don't have a leader. it is liberals who are the followers. >> host: why do you close "demonic" with the court transcript from a jogger -- >> guest: it was not closed. it was very telling.

that is one chapter are probably should have taken out in retrospect but like i say, it fits in so beautifully with the theme of the book which is why i kept it in. i want to keep the chapter short and almost no one has talked about that chapter and it is an important chapter and fits in with the golf team of "demonic". the psychological model and the liberal mob. combined in this one beautiful combo platter and a really exciting story. i don't think i was in new york. i must have still been in college when it happened. for anyone alive at that time, a la was told that they were all proved innocent. they were not. this is a specialty of the left to make wild overstatements of innocence are allegedly based on dna. the key part of that story is the central park jogger was

raped by this mob in the park. dna was an all new science. is a sneaky bait and switch their doing. wasn't even -- wooley six months earlier it was admitted in the first new york state court. cops did not collect evidence for go to racine hoping to preserve dna evidence or physical evidence of any kind but anyone of the defendants had confessed on video the girl with his parents sitting there, i am sorry, he started to talk to the cops but claimed he was over 16. showed them prove he was over 16 and his mother came 15 minutes later and said he is 15 minutes old. with a fake id. he was treated like an adult for 15 minutes. they were videotaped statement. evidence was overwhelming.

if you had adjacent and on tape admitting and explaining how he did the murder in brentwood i don't think even that jury would have acquitted. you have this overwhelming evidence that gets lied about later and as i say in the conclusion to that chapter i can understand the actual liberal physical mob in the park better than i can explain the intellectual mob of the left always wanting to break down people's faith in the criminal justice system. this is one of the crowning achievement of america's legal system that everyone is equal before the law. isn't that way in europe or france with their french revolution. we have rules of evidence and the defendant is given a fair shot but we do seek justice in our courts and to constantly be attacking judges and courts for the one thing they're supposed to be doing which is presiding over trials at hearing cases and admitted evidence and asking the

court to decide things like abortion policy, pension policy. what should the pension of terrorist policy be? that is not the french revolution view of philosopher king is in possession of the general will. that is not the american system. it fits in beautifully with this book and no one is asking that question. that is an awfully long answer to the question of why i have that court transcript. i thought it was filling up that chapter too much but when you read the transcripts of the interview with one of the defendants, i think it is overwhelming for an unbiased observer to save this guy was involved in that attack with a jogger. >> host: we have 40 minutes left in this month's "in-depth". would you ever do an interview or appear on the racial matter of show? she would be formidable. >> guest: i am dying to. producers calling back -- i am

apparently not allowed to go on nbc programs. they are afraid of me as well they should be. >> host: you talk about your relationship with jfk jr. and you had been fired from an nbc at that time. >> guest: he thought that was so cool. i never really fit in with the nbc -- when they started these cable networks you have to remember what the world was like. a horrible world. amazing republicans ever won any election. ms nbc and fox, their very first day at that point when they brought in david berg -- that isn't what people who call themselves conservative tend to vote republicans consider a conservative. in theory they wanted a conservative but when they got one live it was quite disturbing

in the executive office. a kept being fired. >> host: thanks for holding. you are on with ann coulter on booktv. >> caller: huge and even the politically i am solidly a centrist and theologically decidedly a non believer but that is why i cheer you on fox news when you out of obama as a clause that atheist. but what about the republican side? besides the obvious gary johnson who on the republican side is going through the motions of the church and prayer thing because they realize that the presidential level it is political suicide? >> guest: i ferociously defended president obama from accusations that he is a muslim, pointing out that he is an atheist like the rest of his party. there probably are some. there are not many rank-and-file

conservatives like i say. why? why would you bother being a conservative. life is so easy if you are a liberal. unless you are planning on an afterlife why even bother being a conservative? but politicians bicker and republicans who are probably -- a few compromises but i don't think. >> host: next call for ann coulter from new jersey. >> caller: thanks. i love your book. just started reading "demonic". earlier e-mail, whether or not you had read much or seen much, if you had read about and rand and do you have an opinion on her book and one more question, how come we don't see american feminists worried at all about treatment of women under sharia

law. >> guest: great questions. because american feminists don't care about women. they care about promoting socialism. one of the folks are brought for you folks, you wanted pictures of me with my family. only one of 3 with one of my brothers and a book i would reading but also one of the answer to this question. quite an answer but standing by a store called john golf who is the hero of atlas shrugged the. you know that. big hero. there's a sportswear store and i assumed they know who john golf is and was in colorado. i liked ayn rand. i stopped being a teenager. and i would tend to side with whitaker chambers's review of ayn rand.

caused quite a scandal. in answer to the question, a republican who does not believe in god, i will skip the obvious ones. there happens to be an interview with mark sanford the personal former governor of south carolina in the new york times and not only did he violate his marriage vows publicly, spectacularly but in today's interview he cries about a dead raccoon. it is up to god to they side. i can't see into another person's heart. i consider those warning signs. >> host: back to the family picture. we always ask our guests -- >> guest: i e-mail one for when i was little. >> host: we will show that right now with your two brothers. can you see it over there? we didn't receive any with you

with your parents. >> guest: i wasn't at home to get the photo stalin happened to open a book but i brought one of me with my brothers. >> host: we will bring that in. i saw those. >> guest: and one by john galt. these photos inside a book i was reading. >> host: that last caller mentioned feminists and in "how to talk to a liberal" in a column you wrote in 1991, call me miss, you wrote we are more frequently raped, pumped additional divorced, cheated on and if one's is bidding for committee run for democrats expected to spring for dinner that least note sane man would dare speak the word miss. freedom at last! it is not just because baracks burned while men fiddled and that i hate the feminist. the real reason i loathe and the

test feminists is that real feminists, the core group, the great thinkers of the movement, which had until now dismissed as the invention of a frat boy on a dare have been at the forefront in tearing down the very institutions that protect women:monogamy, marriage, chastity and chivalry. and surveying the wreckage, the best they have to offer is call me ms.. >> guest: those were commissioned by various publications and when they received them decided no thanks. that is why you will notice that i have set up my life so that i cannot be fired. i cannot be edited. i'd do as i could be. it is all men in him an events and they will not be firing me. that is the only place i have an official job. other than that i am tired of

spending time research and writing something, particularly when it has been requested as that article -- when i was practicing law. are was still in law school. just getting out of law school. i am kind of busy and spend this time reading what they want me to read and write and get up and can he write it. no. i can never be right it. first, write it is a way i am going to write it but i can't waste my life doing that anymore. i have the internet. my life would be easier if i had a job in one of those numerate government pensions. short of that at least people can read me now because i don't have to go through this layer of retarded people to get my work out. >> host: is tom winter still alive? >> guest: yes. fine man. >> host: and alan riskin. >> guest: longtime editors of human events, ronald reagan's famous newspaper.

alan riskin -- they are magnificent americans and i will throw in sam evans who writes for them. both were cold warriors helping me review all my cold war stuff for treason. winter and riskin were longtime editors of human events when ronald reagan was reading it every day. so whenever -- i don't always make morning meetings but whenever i find out the rest of staff has disagree with alan who i usually agree with i have to lecture the young whippersnappers to make an understand allan riskin influenced ronald reagan's philosophy. he is the son of maury riskin, creator of the marx brothers who testified against the hollywood 10. he told me to go to baseball games with groucho sitting under his shoulder and he would be trying out his jokes and watch

baseball. tom winter went to yale be personal very lofty old school old line yaley and they put out the most conservative newspaper for much of the last half century. new editors, a young kid who came over -- >> host: here is the picture. the john galt picture. when was that picture taken? >> guest: since it was in the book with a picture of a brother of the party probably a few years after law school. isn't that hilarious? >> host: next call from california. hi, chuck. >> caller: hello. i want you to know i love you but i would like to know what i would have to say to get you to change the emphasis of the agendas that you work on away from the one that you -- your

followers would be trying to influence the government to initiate force toward those agenda items where your followers wouldn't have to influence the government to initiate force. >> host: give an example what you mean. >> caller: it would be wonderful to cut taxes. that does not require the initiation of force. if you were to continue to stop a 25 year -- >> host: chuck? >> guest: not my audio this time. >> host: not sure -- >> guest: didn't understand the question. >> host: next call from karen in south dakota. go ahead. >> caller: hello. i would like to ask ann about her mob psychology groupthink promises with respect to the

catholic inquisitions, the salem witch trials, the 30 years catholic protestant wars, in which many, many people died. going back to the old testament, the biblical injunctions to kill all the men. the women and children given to the hebrews. how do you reconcile those with your mob psychology group think? >> guest: i am not sure god commanding the israelites to go into a city and kill every living thing has anything to do with my book which is about politics and what i consider the beginning of the division between liberal and conservative fox. the french revolution and the american revolution. the salem witch trials, please check on google. it was about a dozen people and we still hear about it as if it

was 9/11 every day. in point of fact the number of people who were killed -- of french men who were killed in the french revolution without a king who was fighting back was the equivalent in terms of population loss of this country having a 9/11 attack every day for seven years. that is the sort of mob bloodshed we are talking about with a mop revolt like the french revolution. by contrast the american revolution was, as i describe in contrast, a revolution of thinkers and debaters and christians. this was a heavily christian influence revolution with erudite christian sermons promoting revolution. they were debating about revolution and they needed to chat about it a lot because they had to explain why they should give up this pleasant existence being a colony of great britain. it was a principle that was

being revealed. and also the american colonists, most of our founding fathers had been here for several generations. they have grown away -- thomas paine was an exception to that which is why he never understood the american revolution though he wrote a very influential book promoting the revolution. was a revolution of ideas. that is not lunatic french peasants running around with pikes on heads advancing through the streets was slaughtering priests and smashing the stained-glass windows at notre don cathedral. that is mob behavior. >> host: santa fe, new mexico. why is c-span given a platform to the starkly device of woman? she claims to want to discuss the issues and named her book "demonic". is involved the biblical showdown between good and evil. please keep real on c-span.

don't help enable an imagined war between citizens of the united states of america to gain legitimacy. i will seek other information outlets if c-span succumbs further to this dangerous sensationalism. next call for ann coulter from john in phoenix. >> caller: good morning from phoenix. ann coulter is as real as you can get. thank you very much. takes my breath away. i am a conservative independent voter. i switched from the republican party in 2000 after what they tried to do in new york to john mccain. i will never vote for another democrat. >> guest: after what? >> caller: after what happened to forbes and mccain in the new york primary when they tried to keep forbes off the ballot. >> guest: i was living in new

york and and i don't remember. proceed. >> caller: two questions. one about social security payments and the other about good old herman cain. my wife and i are both entering retirement here and i keep hearing social security is an entitlement. we paid funds into social security and the six figures for the last 40 years and i keep hearing that social security -- is an entitlement and that is our money. if social security payments are an entitlement, so our car payments and blue cross payments. i don't understand -- >> guest: i can explain that. the difference is one was paid to the government and you should never trust the government. they weren't doing something safe with your money like putting it under a mattress. they weren't investing it. they were spending it. spending as it came in.

right now as far as i know medicare recipients were already receiving it. three times when they put in depending how long you live. people in pherae get a lot more out of social security than you paid in. as for government having a contract, forceful contract with trust worthy governments, you ask bondholders how that went. this is not enforceable. do not trust the government. this is why i might add george bush wanted to allow younger people to start putting their pension money, their retirement money into something other than the slush fund for democratic politicians in washington. when george bush mentioned in the state of the union address in january of 2005, whenever it was i wanted a photo taken of

that because every single member on the democrat side sat on his hand while republicans stood up and cheered. they don't want us to have freedom. they want to take your money so they can spend it on jobs, their relatives, no show employees or refurbishing the harbor near nancy pelosi's husband's hotel and restaurant. that is what they have been using the money for instead of saving it under a mattress safely like you could have done if you hadn't been sending it to the government to require do by law. >> host: from slander, liberalize of the american right liberal are painfully self righteous. they are fantastic hatred and cannot see the other fellow's position if you prodded them with white hot pokers. united states senators, new york times editors, news anchors and tv personalities and they are completely unhinged. what do you think of when you hear the word centrist?

>> guest: liberal. although everyone screams when slander came out i believe the ideas have been so completely accepted by now that you read through it and it doesn't seem particularly shocking. apparently it was at the time since everyone was yelling at me. but the fact that the words centrist and moderate are used by the mainstream media to mean liberal i believe is now a well accepted fact. >> host: we have gotten several twitter comments or e-mails i probably shouldn't read on the air. not very nice ones. to you ever get hurt by criticism? >> guest: i was thrilled by the last one. you went straight to the next caller. the one who was furious about the title. not just destroying the world with a title like "demonic" and never watching c-span again.

so that was a good title. glad i didn't call it legion. >> host: kevin fin, can ann coulter tell us how to find out about upcoming appearances or book signings. i would love to hear her speak in person or have her sign a book. i always hear about such things after the fact. >> guest: i generally don't do book signings which may be a huge hit with my publisher. but the first book for i ever did, i had done a brief show on the doctor phil show and wanted to do a whole show and the single mother chapter. i am so excited i was here in washington. probably did something on c-span that day. i did c-span and doctor phil was flying the out to l.a.. able show on single mothers and at the last minute he canceled. i was so depressed. i told -- i was in california

and for the first time on this book tour ahead and some books signings. >> i know that are coming are at the san francisco young republicans speech. at least the only public ones and in october we're going to do another one in l.a. with kabc and at sea pack their having early sea-tac in florida sometime in september. >> host: the usually meet in february. >> guest: this will be a great idea because guess who is speaking? all of presidential and vice-presidential candidate. the 2008 sea-tac all that happened was mitt romney withdrew from the presidential race. too late to affect anything and mitt romney was a pretty clear favorite among the attendees. it is going to be great to have

that in florida and orlando in september and maybe they can have some influence but i'm definitely doing a book signing there. >> host: we got you signing books at heritage a few weeks ago. why don't you sign books? is it something you dislike? >> guest: it has always been because i feel like i have to rely -- i trust no one to help me get my word out. you have to rely on a third party to advertise the book signing. i have shown up with another famous author, walked into a bookstore. i won't mention him because walking in with an and the humiliation of it made me decide i am never doing that. there was nobody there. barnes and noble put up this sad pathetic sign. no one knew -- he was world-famous. you walk in and sit for five minute and go out and have a

drink. you have to rely on somebody else to get the word out the same way i know longer bother submitting columns to newspapers and magazines. i won't put that kind of work in. i put it on my web page and it has been very popular on my web page and in my book. >> host: in "guilty," liberal victims and the russell on america ann coulter writes masquerading as socially conscious do-gooder's speaking for society's victims liberals created a world where there would be a constant supply of victims in need of their merciful aid. an illegitimate child might or might not be better off by having contact with his biological father but social workers would definitely better off with a lot more illegitimate children. >> guest: that is the true constituency of the democratic party. not the disadvantaged but the

government workers who ministered to the poor and disadvantaged. there's a big chapter in "guilty". the theme of "guilty" is everyone wants to be a victim. you get ahead by claiming victim status and there's no way to wreck your life after than being a victim subject to the tender ministrations of liberal busybodies. it is a racket for the left and it is embarrassing. one small example of that as a single mother being a huge example and wrecked innumerable lives. you can't numbers them. look at the american indians. they are so cool. there such a part of american history. you have william tecumseh sherman, named after indian

chief tecumseh. they were warriors and brave and honorable and subtly very liberal victim group and all alcoholic living on reservations. some of them did not by the victim status and they're doing beautifully well. the idea that you can't be -- name a sports team with an indian monitor. that is turning them into sad pathetic victims. but there are helicopters. the charity, the apache. it is an honorable thing because indians are great warriors. they are known to be great warrior the way southerners are known to be great warriors. everything related to the military is named after an american indian or confederate general. >> host: 15 minutes left in this month's "in-depth" with ann coulter. brad, you are on the air. >> caller: i am a big fan although i don't buy too many of

your books. i have a hard time spending money on stuff already know. i would like to ask why you call socialists liberals. what is liberal about a socialist? what is progressive about a socialist? i don't understand why you feed into the propaganda they use. >> guest: i'm not buying into the propaganda. i am turning the word -- i have quite successfully turned the word liberal into an epithet. more humiliating epithet than socialist. everyone knows what a liberal is. you may as well start a campaign to bring back the word gay to meet half the. >> host: mobile, alabama. hi, bill. >> caller: good to see. comment you made at the book signing party and you've made it again in the tv broadcast dealing with a vertical relationship with god to the

exclusion of a crowd under people. one of the first things you learn in a general psychology course is that being out of contact with reality is psychosis. are you asking your colleagues to be psychotic by making that recommendation? >> guest: be psychotic by believing in god? that is what we call liberal on that line. a god believer is psychotic. unless i misunderstood his leaps of logic. >> host: dear mainstream media reporter who wasted my time. i have been finishing my next book and get pieces of the news this month but by the mainstream media i am sure the conservative movement is being led by either -- did not cut off. this is in response to some questions a reporter in mailed to you and you e-mail back answer is that never got printed that you printed the answers on

your web site. >> guest: there was a lot of -- a conservative gay group. real conservatives unlike -- a lot of -- my speaking to this conservative gay group. i got the republican party being led by -- i no one was go crowd and somebody else was in the news obsessively that was one of those contemporary references and i went through and gave my answers to the questions that were asked but they do this all the time. >> host: just a couple lancers i want to read if you will expound on. have you ever spoken to and l g b t lesbian gay by trans gender group portended ldp event before? yes, i call them ann coulter book signings is one of your answers. another is why attend and speak

at hobo con? i am in the market for a new hairstylist. he referred to yourself as a right wing judy garland. >> guest: sort of reflected backwards and figure out why it is i didn't expect that all right wings are also good looking but i noticed it is true. i didn't expect that so many gays would be huge fans of mine and yet it is true and having noticed that i sort of ask why would that be? if you are born gay why would you be liberal? are you born liberal? theys our demographic groups that have one of the highest incomes in america. they are victims of crime. the muslims don't think too highly of them. basically the entire republican platform is fighting the same cause any sane gay person should

care about and the democratic platform is sucking up to soccer moms and women who want abortions. abortion isn't that the top of a gay person's list and by the way as soon as liberals find the gay gene guess who is going to get aborted? as auld gave are boring they are overwhelmingly conservative. maybe apolitical and all those angry gay is causing trouble they're angry at their father's. >> host: whar you against gay marriage? >> guest: i talked about of that at that meeting. you still have a position in favor of gay marriage -- they don't care about marriage. they talk about gay marriage because they think it will prove we like them. and so i just tell them we like you. we just don't like gay marriage. as many callers mentioned

marriage is the linchpin of civilization. nothing to do with gays. it has to do with giving special benefits to mommy and daddy getting married before becoming mommy and daddy and staying married and every possible incentive should go into that. in stead you have every possible incentive operating the other way. subsidies for women to have children out of wedlock, celebration of the single mother and girls doing about her own. no they aren't. we are paying for these single mothers. i feel sorry for gays, the sexual liberation window 30 years late saying can we have our peace too? speaking of the conservative for christians we don't like the other stuff on there. we're finally exploding on this one issue but it has nothing to do with the anti-gay. it is the referee pro -- coke

and coke classic. marriage classic. >> host: next call for ann coulter, jeffrey in alantown. >> caller: i am happy to speak with you. i am a big fan of yours and ours and gratified to hear you enjoy it thomas so well. i would like to run by you one of my pet peeves about liberal hypocrisy. every time a liberal engages you and find out your conservative they say you are a conservative, therefore you must be uneducated. modern academia, especially the, quote, humanities' purportedly claims to teach students to, quote, think for themselves. actually they will the indoctrinate them to conformity with the left-wing liberal world view. my thought is the definition of uneducated must be one who thinks for themselves. >> guest: yes.

they are often do these fake studies about how liberals are more likely to have advanced degrees because they're mostly in education and the only thing an advanced degree in education establishs is you are stupider than someone without an advanced degree in education. >> host: cliff arnold e-mails cu i appreciate the fact that you seem to do research and like many of the right and on the left. i feel that one of the things that is lacking is a reasoned debate. there are points to be argued on both sides. if one considers the actions of a corporation like enron or the recent financial debacle which resulted from the repeal of glass-steagall, don't you think there is a place for regulation in the american economy? >> guest: i fell asleep halfway through that question. do we have any questions on anthony wiener? if we are talking regulation of

the american economy and enron -- [snoring sound] >> host: tony, you are on with ann coulter. >> caller: you are talking about liberals turning everything into victims. one of the things would be when we watch the hurricane katrina. all these people that were told to leave, and the levees broke and they're in trouble and want to complain nobody got their quick enough and also why it is caught up politics, why do they use it when you just got caught in a lie? and also why would msn b.c. continue to hire no talent people in their company when their ratings are terrible, they don't tell the truth, how long do you think that will keep a before comcast get smart? >> guest: i don't think they're

going to smarten up. it is a fact to be commented on that in every other industry other than the information industry someone comes along and put out a great product and everyone else imitates it like steve jobs's iphone. you have the imitator i phones for the apple computer or oh so many things. you put out a good product and other people imitate it. fox news again is totally crushing the ratings. i never worked for fox news or any rupert murdoch enterprise. they crushed the league. they put on brilliant lively tv shows that are far more intellectual than anything on msn b.c. or cnn even though there uglier on msn b.c. to make it look like they're smart and no one thinks to imitate them. liberal journals can't get away

from the idea that they are the state run me and they will tell us what we are allowed to hear and even if competition keeps coming anthem from talk radio or the internet or fox news, we are not going to tell you the other side. won't do it. >> host: what is your professional relationship with bill o'reilly? >> guest: i did his show on thursday. i go on and fight with him. and i think it is excellent tv. >> host: how often are you on fox? you are not under contract. >> guest: correct. for close ann coulter watchers there will be months that i won't to any tv largely because i research and writing. sappiest part of my life. i have in doing a lot of tv this summer. because i am promoting a book. in the obama economy more people are spending money on food than books.

book sales are way down. this book and my last book, auld like most -- all of my book 6 of the first one were number one or number two i believe on the new york times best-seller list. my last two books including the current one have sold fewer than any of my other books. that is how bad the book market is. in any event i would still be doing this anyway. that is why i am doing a lot of tv this summer and it is fun. i like to influence public debate. >> host: you like going on tv and having the back and forth? >> guest: most of the time. the show varies with the questions. i like to talk about stuff i know. and not answer for example prediction questions. we are just about to enter that season. who is going to be the republican nominee? who is going to win the election?

by now i have yelled at them and train them enough that i rarely ask that question but i know stuff. i can give you historical comparisons. i can give the reasons to vote for one candidate over the other. you might as well bring in a homeless guy and ask who is going to win. he can't be wrong. you can interview stupid people so that is good. expand the pool of people you can interview. not only as a viewer but a person on tv i want to hear about -- i want to say something that i know and not answer stupid questions. that is annoying. the good interviews are a blast that it is fun having an influence on public debate and is especially fun annoying liberals which i am allowed to do on tv. >> host: in your view who is the most underrated u.s. president? what period and american history is the most underrated or

overlooked? we will let you think about that a little bit. sees a man does not like silence. san antonio, you are on with ann coulter. two minutes left. >> caller: thank you for taking my call. thank you to ann coulter. really appreciate seeing you on tv and speaking the truth about things. i am a captain in the military stationed in fort san houston in san antonio and i came in the military 19 years old. i have been deployed three times. i know right now, speak about government employees and stuff and take away their pensions. i am a government employee.

you think you should take away my pension? >> host: we are running out of time. got the question. >> guest: matt is a public-school teacher because no captain in the military would have called in with that question. point two, to go through underrated periods all i can say is i don't think it is underrated. our founding was miraculously. is there one that we don't appreciate? our founding was a miracle. i do think most americans appreciate that. not the ones who have been for public schools and talk like our last caller. they are not taught to appreciate the founding fathers. they are taught to appreciate the wives of the founding fathers who were so crucial and other women and minorities and

the gay and lesbian contributions to the american revolution. the truth is not only more interesting but more fun. it would be one thing if they were making their history but making a more interesting but they're making it more boring. >> host: george in wisconsin. who were your favorite philosophers? >> guest: jesus. that is the big one. against john locke. i guess john locke. thomas stole. we are putting him down as philosopher. not russo. >> host: we got about a minute left. davenport, iowa. >> caller: as a conservative graduate of the jesuit university i'm interested in your comments about jesuit university having the craziest liberal students. i would definitely agree. do you have any idea why that would be the case?

>> guest: that is a good question. i have no idea. we may need to talk to our catholic friends to find out why that would be but i must tell you it has been my experience that the jesuits cool -- jesuit school produced linda blair of the exorcist in the audience. most appallingly it tends to be the female students screening out things. first time i put in "demonic" but would not dare say on television or radio or a lot to one of my friends in the most intimate of moments there are so vulgar. they are genuinely demonic. >> host: follow-up to that color, recommend any colleges or universities for students seeking an academic atmosphere free of liberal bias? >> guest: great question.

hillsdale. i ought to have a list in my head but i don't. i gather pepperdine. southern schools tend to be pretty good. because they are in the south. and king's college. my number one recommendation. the greatest city in the world, new york city. a christian curriculum. king college. what else is there? i am sure there are some other questions. a quote from one of my books. >> host: we ought of time and we will finish with this quote. if liberals had any brains they would be republicans. ann coulter in 2004, happy when you liberals become fiscal conservative. you don't mind when the government is spending money--the one thing we got to watch out for is spending on the military. that is from 07. here's a list of ann coulter's books. high crimes and misdemeanors terrorist one, 1998.