or private social network so maybe doing different things in different places in that way they can keep their identity somewhat separate. >> i've been alerted there are five minutes left so we will do a lightning round. we will go here and then go through -- >> a similar situation we go back far enough, health care and your private information about your health was not necessarily restricted by law yet hipaa came out and now all of that information is prevented by law to be released. why couldn't a similar situation be developed here although somewhat different. you are providing the information per se on facebook where the health information is when you go to a hospital or doctor's office yet that is pretty tightly controlled and they think really effective. couldn't something like that be

implemented in these situations? .. >> but it's nothing of that

trickles down to the people that they are concerned with or where they originated. when sales suddenly soared think about what that requires. the four facebook and i thought it was an outrage at that time. the book really talks about the commercial aspects of the ownership don't they talk -- blanc to me is that of the 10 -- company? shouldn't they pay me for that? >> there is a company in

great britain that allows you to profit even though that is part two. >> it you have to pay me $1,000 per year to slow the process down. >> one reaction hot is there is a lot of things you get for your data, a free media content, you can use google, i think we give up our data for the great online services that are free but they are not free. there is a cost. >> do you really have a

company that makes $2 billion per year or could another group of 20 somethings make a little less with a little more privacy protection in still get the benefit of the service? >> good observation. those who are not suited to the problem is protection against the information not suppression. a lot of the conversation has been you can protect yourself. you actually can because anybody could put up the information we would not normally considered private. we don't want to suppress freedom of speech in my classmates but that from years way before this has scanned letters and photos

from high school and put them on the web. [laughter] >> i am sure you're always a professional. >> with those that go what could be put up by their friend. >> and i do think facebook and the other services have made important changes in the right direction and one of them includes where people cannot just 10 a year without your permission. >> on the other hand, they have developed facial recognition with automatic taking -- tagging and isn't this great? now i don't have to tag everybody but maybe they

wouldn't tag the picture of you kids seeing somebody else's wife or you keep on in the audience floor. you can untie yourself but the technology i have been reading where the patents are going. i snap your pitcher with my a smart phone it tells me every day being cite your honor will you listen to and the whole idea. >> you will never be able to control what people say about us but now they could say it where they have a huge audience and that is the difference. >> and the people that they tell it don't know things about you that you really are a responsible person to the world audience.

>> i had double cut four years but i cannot do now. >> in rural america their reserve release march story of wonder if we could put the link after the talk so you could see the pieces and articles in issues of the things that work. >> but in small towns across america there's a special network that not many people know about here in new york or boston and washington where it is a nasty in many of the small towns because they don't have the hour real identity. >> o.r. if you are married and want to have an affair one friend went to close his parents' house after his father died in he found all these people that he ran

into have the post office advertising to have affairs. more could be happening. >> really like what kashmir has to say. the benefits of social media are did tremendous the only talk about negative behavior that has psychological limitations but what about the positives aspects? i am also of fraud investigators so i do see both sides. in addition to my personal life are enormous and i would love to have a conversation about the positive benefits. >> good great way to end on

that note to this extol the virtue of the social web of whatever format you choose. >> look what happened in the last year 2011. we sought in tunisia, egypt, bahrain, is not just social networks but social networks and it is the cellphone the ability to take a photo of what was happening to them in the ability to transmit data around the world saved them at some very, very difficult and dark moments. then with what we saw occupy wall street. the horse has left the barn and people document their experience. social media at his here to

stay and we're learning how to use it and it is everybody's responsibility. >> i am away eight -- amazed to read my christmas shopping spotted women stuff spelling out on the sidewalk i thought maybe she had a fight with her boyfriend but i spotted a prescription i am naturally curious i flipped it over and her name was there i google her and her twitter account came up and it said six hours earlier her car was broken into. i said i think i found your staff and she said where is it? her friend went and collected it. my mind was blown buy back. -- buy it before twitter or facebook is a small story but i think there are urban

many benefits. >> also the difference it has made with our two our music with that of a and/or a falling but also crowds were saying i started novel you add it to its even the science they find the individual is better out -- better trying to figure out people are working on a particular project shortly after the revolution there a little baby girl was born and her dad named to her facebook. >> thank you for coming. [applause] >> un compromise. the rise fall and redemption

of an arab american patriot in the cia. first of all, how did you get into the cia? >> i was working as a special agent in day work with them for a little less than five years that i transferred in a number of cases with the bombing in riyadh and the assassination and the murder of the u.s. agents and i was exposed to working with cia officers overseas that they value the linguistic abilities and a transfer from the fbi to -- to see a two fbi were being at the height of the sadam hussain but other cases i did with the cia. >> was there a little less

than five years. of little less than 10 years total government service to mike this subtitle uncompromised is the right spot and redemption. why in that order? >> my career had skyrocket. and agent with years of experience i was given a lot of missions to accomplish they were extremely tough and they are detailed but after a return if i was accused falsely, was false the accused the of that the border of terrorism. eventually, i was exonerated in i am here today to tell my story. >> host: tell us quickly about the accusations. >> it involves the terrorist group hezbollah and the fbi

and the documents between the two. that was not true evidence against me was label the secret and the evidence was not shared with me but the cia conducted an investigation and they won't exonerated me publicly. >> host: were you arrested? >> i pled guilty to charges because the government said they would deport me to lebanon and that basically it was a death threat is so why pled guilty to the false charges. >> host: you detail that? >> i sure do. the number of cia missions, fbi missions, and i describe the circumstances around the false accusations and finally the exoneration. >> host: as an era of

america in woman in the cia did you face situations and mail would not? >> given my books and cultural background i was allowed to get out of the green zone and under which were my weapons and to collect intelligence that others may not have been able to. >> did the cia have to vent your book a? to my guess but i had to submit my manuscript and they had to approve it. >> host: why did you leave the cia? >> that was part of the plea deal unfortunately. people ask me all the time would you go back to government service? i am prove the justice system works i am happy to

serve my country at the drop of a dime. this is for me and optimistic story any other country if i was accused of these charges seven be executed only in america do have the chance to tell your story that justice prevails and the truth comes out. >> host: booktv on c-span2 a former cia agent and author of the book and compromise, the rise, fall, and redemption of an american patriot of the cia

>> ladies and gentlemen,, welcome. lisa and her staff did a great job to make room for us. [applause] i am a the loose cannon that thought of the conspiracy to get us together to talk about agent orange and do something about it. two great books that were published the first came out originally 1989 by fred wilcox and about the impact agent orange had on american veterans. the second is just new "scorched earth" about the

vietnamevietname se in the impact so we do '07 stories press and housing works and if you loose cannons it is an important event to make a breakthrough on a horrible tragedy agent orange which still persist after the colloquy we will have the q&a please wait until you get a microphone we all went to hear your question and your answer. thank you for coming and it gives me great pleasure to introduced to very special people phnom chomsky that most of you know, what will come to know telling the

truth without rhetoric and just as the facts as a dragnet band for decades and is still doing it. fred wilcox has been out in the vineyards retain these two books feeling the pain of knowing people directly affected buy agent orange and seeing them pass away or if they survive to suffer terribly. i will leave it to our two guests. thank you for coming i hope you can all hear when you step out please try to do something about people suffering from agent orange. thank you. [applause] >> hello. thank you for coming out this beautiful afternoon. i am fred wilcox. dick hughes has done magnificent work helping

people love suffered from agent orange and has arrange this with his family so i do want to express my appreciation for my family my children and professor noam chomsky two is here taking time out of his busy schedule. thank you very much. [applause] i would just like to talk briefly about what i have been trying to do the last 30 years bettis to tell people what i consider tree many tragedies in the world but this is a great one because i will say 3 million vietnamese are suffering from the effects of chemical warfare the campaign united states government waged in vietnam for at least 10 years.

3 million adults in 500,000 children. i'd like to dedicates herself whole meeting today to the vietnamese children to those of u.s. in caribbean vets and else jillian veterans of those who have fathered or women who have given birth to seriously deformed children. no legs, is seriously retarded, blind, all the same as a result from having been exposed to the contaminant in agent orange provide don't think you could overestimate the tragedy or exaggerates. i never tried because it is not necessary. it is ongoing and does not seem to have any and if you go to vietnam one of the things that frightens the people is they're seeing third and fourth generation of agent orange children.

people say that war ended why you keep talking about it? why you keep obsessing? because it has not ended it has not ended for the children or the vietnamese people or for the vets you are reaching the early '60s and dying. many people do not know about this so my goal continues to tell as many as possible about the ongoing incredible tragedy that is direct from chemical warfare >> as most of you know, , this is the 50th anniversary almost to the day of some very significant decisions made in washington with the kennedy administration. jfk and his pfizer's decided

in november 1961 to sharply escalate the war in south viet nam that had been going on for some time to essentially turn it into a u.s. invasion but at that meeting, ed kennedy authorized the u.s. air force to start bombing south vietnam pretty soon there we're carrying out about one-third of the missions they did not fool anybody except those that wanted to be fooled to authorize a pom and what we are discussing here is what is called chemical warfare. but then the bombing expanded and led to the

troops invading the south within a couple of years. 1966, one of the leading specialist of vietnam, a leading scholar in his last writing before killed in combat wrote he thought vietnam may not survive as a cultural and historical entity with the impact and, of the most severe bombing or attack against an area of that size. south vietnam and north vietnam the area around have no way was somewhat scared because of the foreign embassies but the of the part was turned into of

moonscape and south vietnam never recovered and aba me and six did into northern laos having nothing to do with the war but because the air force planes were idle they had nothing to do so here they virtually destroyed what amounted to a stone age primitive society of northern laos littered with people still buying and people are living in caves several years trying to survive. i interviewed them a lot in 1970 then expanded to cambodia that was the most intense bombing in history following kissinger immortal phrase anything that flies against anything that moves.

those were the orders handed down by kissinger from his boss and a brief period of just a couple years that we now know reached the level of all allied bombing in the pacific region during world war ii including the two atom bombs on the poor peasant society. lot of consequences to that. very ugly once but it finally more or less ended but it didn't. the facts of the chemical warfare continued and will continue. this very quickly turned into a crop description -- destruction, a major war crimes in he can tell you more than i can but

just to add one more word, there are serious consequences to not paying attention to what we have done in the past. that if we are incapable of facing up to our own history we are in trouble morally with serious problems but it is also quite practical if you do not face up to you will continue to do it and that is happening. people our dying right now from america and chemical warfare one of the things done over the years is the number of visits to southern colombia to the isolated and endangered villages sometimes it is too dangerous to go to the countryside so they bring people in from the town to give testimony about what is happening to them.

these are people who have been subjected to some of the worst terror anywhere. columbia now has the second largest displacement in the world after afghanistan and millions of people driven off of their land. i so they did four villages the last time i went to one year-ago driving with the truck given to us by the ombudsmen region travels around the almost impassable road and there is a tiny clearing on the side there is just a row of simple crosses and it is a place where not long before the bus was stopped by paramilitary and everybody

was shot. that is life but the worst part in many ways is the chemical warfare. we now call it the fumigation. but to the same thing. we felt. substances sprayed from the skies i suppose contractors and the effects are striking it destroys the crops in place since the land. there are people, there are people who have managed to develop a niche market for high quality organic coffee they can sell in germany the land is poison you cannot grow anything. people with horrible scar is

over their arms and children dying and the things that you see. that is today just in the last couple years according to the attorney general's office 140,000 people have been killed from a paramilitary and others. but this is going on before our eyes. we regarded as our right. >> we cannot hear you. >> you should have said that earlier. [laughter] we regard that as our right to -- still louder? i don't know if i can manage that. >> read regard that as our right to carry that out because they are producing something the government does not like as the president of bolivia asks

the pertinent question how would we feel if they would carry out chemical warfare in kentucky and north carolina to destroy crops that is far more the full they and cocaine? look at the death toll. this goes on before our eyes and part of the reason is a failure to pay attention to similar atrocities of the past. just yesterday i got a letter from an ax marine who fought in iraq i have known him for seven years and he was part of the military force that invaded fallujah november 2004. a horrible massacre one of

those specs is the weaponry they use. there have been studies by epidemiologist in the fallujah area and it turns out the level of radiation in that area is higher than hiroshi month. this young man has been devoting his life to compensate for those words. the scientific article that just appeared studies hair samples and they have extremely high evidence of radiation point* eight -- poisoning with the usual eight facts. and unless we face of to

these things it will continue. there is no barrier except internally to the united states these are two examples and you could add others. but also the effects of heavy metals probably depleted uranium and has plenty of the effects on veterans who expose the major defects and as fred said this could go on indefinitely. even after the war is technically over and when we carry out similar operations elsewhere as we do right now >> day-care. i would like to say a couple of things that people ask me

why you talk about some things that happen so long ago? the last trade mission 1970. the reason why i keep talking about this there is a cancer epidemic in this country and other parts of the road it is directly related to the toxic chemicals in their air food water supply. i have four children and grandchildren i did not want my children are a buddies to develop cancer. i don't want to watch them that lose their hair over something that could be prevented we don't have to wait for another 50 years it is a matter of cleaning up our environment to stop the companies that place in vietnam and cambodia and columbia and other parts of the world for profit. they do a for-profit, money, they claim it was done in the

name of patriotism destroying them been growth forests they made agent orange they knew it was poison and did not tell the government. one of the things i hope i could accomplish through the book "scorched earth" is to say this time to clean up our world, and the environment. it is not about what happened 40 years ago but what is happening right now to be exposed to the toxic chemicals and the tragedy in vietnam is the tragedy here and many other places and i believe we could all get together to do something. people ask what should you do? one thing is to call dow chemical and say we know what you did in vietnam and what you're doing here. stop it. stop saying there is evidence agent orange causes

cancer in human beings. the scientific community knows that is not true. they have done the studies necessary to know that dioxin is carcinogenic. we all know that. with that i would like to open the floor to questions and comments i'd like to hear what everybody has to say. >> we are going to have a question and answer but we have several books up here which are $10 apiece and he will sign them for you. we have another book 9/11 and also a photography book which is gorgeous.

hard to beat those price is. we will get over to you to ask a question and let see how many we can. >> thank you for your commentary. i recently found out about the matter of fracking so i wonder if these people were seeking revenge they would say we have found a way to do ourselves sin because as a friend of mine said if you are not familiar with fracking, i will mention it it is not spelled fracking

so you implied unless i am wrong to the end of your talk that government was unaware of the consequences of age and origin or did i misunderstand? >> it has been a controversy ever since but as far as i know the chemical companies did not tell the military commanders what they knew about the effects of laboratory animals 1965 as a man who -- memo dow chemical

said dioxin is potentially deadly to human beings. i do not believe monsanto and the rest of the corporation's making lots of profits went to the military and said we will sell you this but we want you to know it is potentially deadly and our troops will be exposed. the chemical companies insist they did tell someone but who that might have been, i don't know but i don't believe it. i have not uncovered any information to that effect. >> there is a concept that applies here and other cases called intentional ignorance you can choose to be ignorant of some things that you do know about. there is no way the government could have known.

>> it does not make sense in terms of profit. are the gas company is telling people what is in the fracking? >> when energy corporation supply is a you with the sale tuesday put in a notice? you're helping to spread the world and if we don't pay attention ... >> thank you so much from ithaca of. mr. chomsky you have been a role model for so long when i first learned about your work we had the link with

its acquisition. i am wondering what is the plan for the committee casein acquisition device because we have language and we use it to four intentional omission the note that says we killer cells is not included right now seto how do we globally communicate that to each other? how do we help to do this? >> it is particularly significant in the united states. he may have seen an article in the "new york times" yes today that reports the open secret that the united states is off the planet on this issue. just about every country in some fashion is trying to do

something about the very serious problem of environmental global warming and catastrophe and doing it different ways. we should be ashamed of the fact that the country that is in the lead is the countries of south america, bolivia they have gone to the extent of passing legislation that to make sure has rights and we have to observe the rights of nature sophisticated westerners can laugh at the last laugh will be on us. the first country and south america to take the international the, not only are we not taking the lead but dragging it down. the estates is a loan to tear apart and restricting the very limited devices

that have been available to do something about the problem and it is grace -- striking to let congress know that it is trying to dismantle a legislation with institutions that are instituted by our last liberal president nixon in. [laughter] that is not a joke incidentally. they tear apart the epa epa, restrict other environmental restrictions while the whole world is moving forward we are racing backwards. with the united states does this of the enormous significance but if we don't take the lead nothing will happen and if we pull the

train backwards it will be bad news. here is where the problem is. there is a lot of reasons but this is the only country where major centers of power carry out quite openly large scale of propaganda programs to convince the population it is a hoax the chamber of commerce, american petroleum institute and others made a public they carry out these programs. they have a lot of people confused if you look at the way the media handles it it, this he said/she said on one side they have 99% of curious scientist and we have to work it out for

ourselves. there is a background of distressed for reason and science, you should not worship science but still makes sense to study things seriously and fearfully and the cultural and institutional problem to be dealt with the fundamental way to be communicated steadier language cannot tell you about that but people have to be out there to get others to understand what is happening to our society doing your grandchildren to have a decent world to live in but it is better for the petroleum companies to make

more profit today those are real crisis. fracking it is a dual problem. one problem is the direct problem to destroy a water resources but long term of increasing the use of fossil fuels which will have paid the full effect on human society and all living things. >> i just want to thank mr. chomsky for coming and i want to talk about the south america could trees and how the dictatorships can mistreat the use of democracy.

it is all part of the conspiracy but i want to talk about the international monetary fund. is that a front for southern american countries? >> it is very effective. >> is it a scam? >> it is not a scam. they do the work and in fact, they are basically the offshoot of the u.s. treasury. does not really true but the treasury has the enormous amount of control of what they do. there are the same programs that turn the united states into a third world society

applied much more forcefully and have been terrible e facts the imf has over the past several decades been pressing very hard in the liberal programs which of been a social and economic disaster almost everywhere. not for everybody but egypt is on the front page and part of the source of the uprising in egypt has gone on for a long time but peaking now because of the disastrous effects of the imf's structural adjustment program which has increased growth but here with a wealth most of the population suffering. of that has been true with latin america as long as they except the programs

going through several decades of a sharp economic decline it has now cast doubt the programs for quite successful growth that we see the same thing here. it is not as rigid here as in the four countries but the wealthy protect themselves. part of the reason why over the last 30 years the u.s. has been in a vicious cycle with a sharp concentration of wealth one-tenth of 1% of the population hedge fund managers and ceos that don't do anything constructive for the society or economy but gained enormous wealth and with

that comes political power to make it possible to excel the rate the cycle so we have this situation we are with 30 years of stagnation and decline the small tiny group getting fabulously wealthy and the country is seriously declining. i should say about the imf imf, more than the other global institutions they have begun to recognize this and it is striking the imf and chief economies are criticizing europe for carrying out those policies that they advocate. europe is in a recession carrying out austerity

policies which is the worst thing to do in a recession and the imf counsels them not to do that but we try to stimulate the economy. it is not pretty but they are coming out of the background tradition which to is rooted right here and economic planning and policies which had pretty ugly consequences over a decade those that have been casting them aside sometimes beginning to prosper that is why latin america has had substantial improvements over the last decade. it is significant but it is not ischium by any means. >> if you have not been down

to occupy wall street please go down and say hello. [laughter] -- . [applause] by the greed should support them however we can. >> the way we continue to fight our wars has a devastating effect on who we are fighting with members of the military are coming home what do we take away about what you know, of the struggle for justice from agent orange? what can we take away from

that for those of us someone to make sure there's justice for those were returning for those who are suffering? >> that is an important question because people assume it is near that is the first time we have never ignore them or failed to take them seriously and it is sent. we send people off to war then and they can always say i don't recognize you so some people say it is too bad about the fed's they got hurt but we are doing of better job of my own argument is coming from a working-class poor family you join because it is a job to get out of poverty but on the other hand, i would not encourage anybody until they decide to treat people with respect and decency after

they come home. [applause] >> i am very sorry but the professor has an appointment and is almost already late and we have to get him there. i was going to mention that the books that are here for sale we donated. any books that you purchase all proceeds will go to housing works 55 we're serving purposes and if you can afford to do we appreciate it. of our apologies if you did not get your questions. thank you for coming in our things to noam chomsky and fred wilcox. [applause]

>> let's move to the macintosh era so much going on at apple at that point* in so much growth his personal -- personal courtship begins with john sculley. >> it was a bad mistake. he sawed john sculley as a mentor, of a father figure, he really wanted to be cool and when did steve's

approval and for a while, the famous line at the apartment that steve is thinking of buying to bring him up and it overlooks central park and as steve says you want to spend the rest of your life selling the sugar water or do want to change the world? so he comes. but skelly is a man great manners come a little sensibilities. very kind but it is hard for him to do with conflict. steve felt, why reuse so tough? >> the price of addition to being with me is i have to be able to tell you that you are full of it and use the word with two more letters. [laughter] you have to tell me that so we can do to get out and

sculley was not that way. second, he was basically a marketer. having run pepsi he did not worry about the product. he was not messing with a formula for doritos to say i can make this great. it was shelf based marketing and steve felt he just did like it into law awesome day shall awesome the mac was handed did not sell very well then microsoft started to license out its copied version of the interface and started to dominate the computer business. the relationship was going fine but then it is a workhorse making money but the mac did not so there was so horrible falling out

memorial day 1985. >> before we talk about the falling out let's talk about the mackintosh design itself this is the point* where you insert the famous quotation from jobs, a good artist copy, a great artist steel that he took from picasso then he would add we have always been shameless about stealing great idea is. that is often associated with the genesis of the macintosh because the xerox. >> it takes to visit site to xerox they had come up with a concept of the desktop manifold and the interface and the bitmap design each pixel could be mapped to the bits of the microprocessor. we are old enough to remember or