nothing will work without them. is huge. he's the center of gravity force. maybe he can change everything. this might be the weight out of iraq for. and it turns out to have larger could await patriquin want to because the shieks proved to be very effective in fighting al qaeda in this period, and tried to begin to flip from neutral or pro-al qaeda to the coalition side. in my book there are a few scenes of patriquin inaction. one of them was when patriquin first met him. he shows up at a mustache. he speaks arabic, iraqi of the. and his first and he shieks hands and says what part of iraq are you from are you from the north or the south? and patriquin, as he often did he was a something like know, i'm from chicago. i'm an american.

many iraqis were befuddled because they thought he might be an iraq had left iraq as a joke, gone over here, and grown up and came back with a funny midwestern accent. they made and quickly became very close allies in this struggle. >> you can watch this and other programs on line at booktv.org. >> next, the center's third book, jim demint calls for an expansion of what the tea party is initiated. he argues curbing federal spending and getting our dead and control is crucial if the u.s. is to avoid a complete financial collapse. it's about half an hour. >> good afternoon, everybody.>>o welcome to the heritage foundation. my name is michael franken and governce president here for government studies, and it's my honor today to introduce one ofn the elected officialts in

washingt washington who does not fitot within those that get the 84%th% disapproval rating that congress gets these days.ress gt here is one of the good guys. gs so want to welcome senator jim demint. senator jim demint started outut in washington in 1998 when he was elected to the house of representatives where he servedr three terms. we got to know them very well during those years, and work with him on a range of issue. he tends he tends to think about the biggest problems facing the country and his instincts lead him to want to introduce legislation to address those problems and great solutions for th them. he represents south carolina the keys the 55th center where he got elected w in 2004. international acclaim, remembering for this come as a tireless advocate to endadcate t earmarks began in fact in 2006 n he single-handedly at the end of this session stopped about 10,000 projects on going forward. "the wall street journal"

e timate that saved americantimh taxpayers $17 billion, and taxpayers of greatest ally.d in 2006 he was elected chairman to a senate steering committee which is a caucus ofheari conservative senators, majority of republican centers.senatorsn he is work to invent concerned legislation in a variety of vay areas. areas. he has been the speaker at the cpac conference in the "national journal" ranking as number one senator voting for responsible tax and spending policies. he serves on the commerce, science and education committee foreign relations and economic committee and he is here today to talk about his new book, "now or never" saving america from economic collapse. one of the things he does in this book, he goes through all the details but his instincts as a legislator lead him to coalitions to seek out allies and build support and not surprisingly the format of the

book involves introductions to each chapter by a friday of conservative heroes including senator rand paul, pat toomey, marco rubio and mike lee and tom coburn and congressman steve king, frank luntz to the political consultant and former house majority leader dick armey. all of them contributed introductions to the various chapters that he will be discussing with us today, so please join in giving a warm heritage welcome to senator jim demint. [applause] >> thank you mike. bike has been an ally since my house days helping to run the republican study committee and i appreciate your help and the heritage foundation is without equal as far as being the best resource for conservatives here on the hill. ed fulmer is here and since almost the first day i walked and it seems like we had some

big piece of legislation reforming social security or the tax code measuring dependency, the heritage foundation has the resources to get that done. so thank you ed and mike and i understand bob pennington is here one of the trustees. i haven't had a chance to shake your hand that i know you have been a big help to the heritage action group which is really increase their leverage as conservative legislators to have more pressure on the outside. one of the things we have found out is good ideas don't necessarily win out here on the hill unless there is pressure coming in from outside the beltway. and the heritage action has certainly played a key role in the first year or two just to let people know what we need to do here in washington to pull america away from a cliff. i want to wish our chinese visitors a happy new year. thanks for joining us here

today. this is where the action is, here on capitol hill for the right ideas. but thank you for the opportunity to talk about "now or never." i will put it into context of what is going to happen this sunday in our country. two of the best professional football teams are going to meet on the field. they know that this is make or break for them. for some, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and they know they have got to give their all on sunday. they know time, the coach knows, players know that the other team is there to beat them. no coach sending their players out to the super bowl is talking about the need to cooperate and to work with the other guys. because they understand something. they understand the other team is there to beat them and their

goal is on the opposite side of the field. it's not the way politics is supposed to be, but in washington i am afraid that is where it has come. we hear a lot of let's work together to stop the gridlock but we are in a situation now as conservatives and the other team has a different goal than we do. and they are here to beat us. i can't tell you uncompromised with democrats over the last 10 or 12 years i've been in the house or the senate that didn't result in more spending, more borrowing, more debt and bigger federal government and importantly more concentration of political and economic power in the hands of a few people. that is a lot of what "now or never" is about. i really do believe that this could be our last chance to turn things around and i know a lot of you and a lot of folks across the country are cynical when they hear a politician say, this

is the biggest election, or that this is a crisis. but if you look at the numbers, and i look at it still is a businessman looking at a balance sheet because that is what i did most of my life, is the nation is effectively bankrupt at this point now. if you're you read appointed a in a business where you cannot take your pills without borrowing more money every month, you are totally in the hands of your creditors. we found out last august during the big debt ceiling debate, the president said unless we can borrow more money, we won't send out the social security checks and we cannot pay our bills. we passed this crazy debt limit deal that did nothing but kick the can down the road, push us further into debt. we don't have a sense of urgency here and across the country that we need to solve our problems. that is why i wrote this book. it's really my last effort to

sound the alarm, to tell americans where we are, but to tell them there's still time to fix it. because this country is now at a point where our debt is larger than our economy and the plan is to keep adding a trillion dollars a gear to that debt into the foreseeable future. and when we talk about balancing the budget, which means we are going to stop spending more than we are bringing in, that idea was called extreme by the president of the united states. and put down by the democratic leader in the house in the senate as essentially a ridiculous idea. now even a fifth-grader can tell us that if you have got more debt than you can deal with, and he keeps spending more than you are bringing in, something bad

who are dependent on the government who want more from government. that is what the party is about,

and they can't work with us on balancing the budget. their whole platform is based on and moromises fr more government spending. a balanced budget amendment to the constitution would effectively put the democratic party out of business, because campaigns could no longer be based on all the promises of what else the government is going to do whether it is partnering with businesses or redistributing wealth. it doesn't work in a scenario where we have to stop spending. what it would do though is put all politics on the same page. we would at least i'll have the same goal. we could compromise. we could debate. whether to raise taxes or cut spending or some combination of both. but it makes no sense to have that debate if there is no agreement that we need to balance our budget. what i try to do in "now or

never" is we start out with a chapter of american -- america in peril and give some of the detail. these are very general but most of you who have been paying attention know that we are in a hole that we have never been in before. but the next chapter is remembering american exceptionalism and this is maybe the most important point in the book. is this country as different than any other country in the world for a reason. we grew up as a bottom-up nation, very individualistic. millions of people making their own decisions about they what they want to do and what they value. americans were entrepreneurs by necessity. there were no programs to support them. we have no social caste systems. there was upward mobility, downward ability and the way people wanted to go. we were really the only country in the world that was not a top down country and even though initially there was a king that

came with separated by the atlantic ocean and americans were very autonomous and their families, their local communities and their volunteer organizations. it was a bottom-up country. and that is what we found in business over the last 20 years. if you want to improve quality, reduce costs and be very competitive you push decision-making down, u. you thiessen july's power and that is where quality and savings come from. that is what america was all about in the beginning, very decentralized and individualistic. the constitution was put in place to guarantee that power would not concentrate in washington, because our founders knew that when political power concentrates so does economic power and that is when you get the corruption. that is when you get crony capitalism. that is when you get major corporations coming to the politicians to help them compete rather than compete in the

marketplace. what has happened over the last several decades in america is that decentralized concept has changed in the fact that more and our power and control and money has come to washington. that is why you see the exponential growth of lobbyists here from the business world in all sectors because this is where the money is. this is where the power is. this is where we can change things but that was never the way it was supposed to be. so those principles of american exceptionalism that began with individuals and individual liberty and decentralized for legal legal and economic power has been changed with policies and we take tail it back from fdr all the way back to what we have done in both parties with all good intentions, have fundamentally changed the concept of america. but this is not doomsday for us and that is what i recount in

the book. we are at a point in our country where we can still control our own destiny. we can pull ourselves away from a cliff. we don't have to balance our budget this year, but we do have to put our country on a course towards a balanced budget. we have to show ourselves and the world that we are committed, we are determined and we have a plan to move towards a balanced budget and begin to get our fiscal situation under control. we can do that over a ten-year period in a very rational, transitional way that did not cause hardship except for maybe some federal government employees that would need to seek other employment. and i detail in the book what we call freedom solutions. heritage helped develop a lot of those, what we can do with our tax code to get people more freedom and more prosperity, what we can do to open our own energy supplies not only creating jobs but the revenue to the federal and state

governments to deal with our debt could be extraordinary. there are good ways to solve the social security and medicare problem. we don't have to cut and if it's to those who pay for it in their whole life and retirement. but we could offer better less expensive solutions to younger workers who choose 401(k) style plan and a second rather than stay on the same plan they have because there are not many young americans who believe they are going going to get anything for social security. if they were actually offered real savings i think a lot of them would choose it. there are better ideas that don't cost the taxpayer money. they are good solutions, but we have got to have the right messengers running for public office and we have a chapter on that. and "now or never" talks about picking candidates and doing it in a way that is better than what we do now. it's not about just giving a good speech. but it is about people who have the character, the confidence

and the courage to leave the most complicated and largest organization in the whole world. you know we discount the skills and capabilities of management and when we are picking the president of the united states this is not just about picking a salesman. we have got to pick someone who really understands how to lead a great nation and in this case how to turn it around. i think we are going to have that candidate one way or another as president but we also need for the house and the senate to elect congressmen and senators who understand american exceptionalism, and we can call ourselves conservatives or whatever we want the label to be but i want people to tell me face to face that they understand how america is doing and that if you understand the goal was to decentralized local and economic power, the solutions become pretty simple.

because you don't want the government to run your health care. you want the individual to have the right and the access to the best of the most competitive health insurance plans in the world. all of your policies would focus on how do you help the individual control their own health care? but if you believe in centralized power as they think the man in the white house and the people who control the senate right now too, they are automatically towards universal solutions. they are towards collectivist policies that don't work. if they worked, we could argue about it, but our world poverty is not cured proffered he. it has created intergenerational poverty. at his encourage folks to stay dependent on the government. it is taken away their dignity. we are not helping people and making them dependent on the government. but the point of "now or never" is that this may be our last chance to turn things around.

and if i look out into the future where we are from a fiscal standpoint or a policy standpoint or a cultural standpoint, four more years of what we are doing now, don't know how america can survive in the form that we know america. but the good news is this, we saw in the last election that if only a small number of people get active and get involved, and we think it was a big turnout in 2010 with less than 30% of americans over 18 even voting in the 2010 elections. what if we got 40% or 50%? what if we got all those people who were so busy raising their families and working and living life that they don't get involved with politics, what if we got them engaged in this year's election? that is what i hope we can do, sound the alarm, create urgency and let people know there are good solutions and let people know what made this country great in the first place and how

we can get back there in a reasonable way that doesn't put people out in the streets as we are often accused every time we come up with a good idea. but i hope those of you who are here and those that are watching will just realize that we have a chance to make this country better than it has ever been before. the things that make us work that made us great are still at work today. you don't have to have traveled too far visit to many businesses. around the country very much to realize that it is still there and america is still very exceptional. but we can't go down this wrong road much further and expect to be that same country. we can pull ourselves away from a cliff. what we have to do though is holed up the right ideas. that is what the heritage foundation has been doing for years, and then insist that the people who are running for office and who are in office adopt those principles that made

us great and that is decentralized power based on individual liberty and constitutional limited government. i think we are very close to that. we have seen in some of the things that happened in the senate that i think near majority of republicans are tired of the status quo and are ready to change things. i'm going to keep working on that on the senate side and hopefully we can change things in the senate and put a new person in the white house who understands what makes america great. so i would love to hear from all of you and thanks for the opportunity to chat with you today. [applause] >> thanks mike. >> he has agreed after his or marx and after the q&a that he will have time to sign copies of the book which are available outside, "now or never." we have microphones here. please hand up -- put your hand up if you have a question and please identify yourself. the gentleman right there.

>> i understand that most spending cuts in the program social security medicare and medicaid are health care programs. aren't those precise as the programs that -- [inaudible] >> there is a lot of spending there but actually the payroll tax covers what we are spending for social security today. in fact the social security has not added a dime to our debt. we borrowed a lot of money from social security. medicare is another issue. it's a big problem and medicaid is a problem but what we have seen is with a few states that have experimented with locke granting medicaid back to the states, that they can deliver better health care for 10 or 15% or even more savings. there are good solutions are for the challenge and goes back to what i talk about in the book, is we know there's a better way to do medicaid. it is decentralized it. let the states manage it and create a best practice

competition between states but the democratic party right now is not really an adjusted in the facts or the best solution. it is the control that seems to be at issue here. leading medicaid go back to the states, we know it will work but yet we cannot get there. we can do the same thing on medicare and while paul ryan came out with the idea that hey you can stay on medicare the way it is or you can keep the private policy and medicaid can help you pay for it. this was something the democrats can't accept, not because it doesn't work, not because people won't get even better health care. it's because it's no longer controlled in washington. that seems to be the common denominator of everything we are dealing with and social security, we can move it more towards an individual plan

rather than something that is controlled in washington. we could save money. we could save the program. became give people better choices but that is the main point of the book here, why we can't compromise. it's not a matter of what works and i know this sounds cynical but i have been here 12 years and you can show the facts to the other side and it's not about whether or not it works. over whether or not we would be better off. it's controlled. that is why i talk about some of these compromises in the book. "no child left behind," president bush's proposal, his first proposal had an option that states could opt out. it was a state flexibility option but in order to give -- get democratic support for that bill, that option was taken out so that it became more centrally controlled in washington. the same thing with prescription drugs for medicare. only about 25% of seniors needed

help and republicans have several solutions to help folks who could not afford prescriptions to get them. a lot less expensive but the only plan the democrats would support was a universal plan where everyone had access to this government-sponsored prescription plan. it moved us closer to socialize medicine which is what they want so that is what we are up against right now. we can solve these problems and i've got laid out in the book, some of the solutions. it's not going to be easy because we have dug a big hole that we can do it and we can end up with something better than what we have got now. >> the gentleman right over there in the aisle. >> hi, i am jesse. you talk a lot about mobility in america is really one of america's foundation and it and

heritage studies have confirmed the report of social mobility. it was mentioned in several debates we actually have fallen behind western european countries and social mobility and i was wondering if you have any ideas on how to -- social mobility? >> it's a good question and debate it's a big question in this election year. somehow the folks that are successful in america are causing hardship for the middle class, which is a distraction from what is really happening. there's several things i can mention. first of all a government-run education in america has clearly failed to give people the character and skills to compete in the global economy. we need to do something with their education system where public education no no longer synonymous with government-run education. there are a lot of good solutions but we are spending upwards of 14, $15,000 a year on

public school students and we are still losing ground to the rest of the world. when we can't compete we can have a middle-class if our folks don't have the skills to succeed. we are also creating a large dependent class who are trapped in dependency and they are no longer socially mobile because they are no longer motivated or have a the necessity to move on and they are effectively trapped. some of the things that medicare that you lose when you start trying to work, it's discouraging to people from getting out of that. i think the other thing, the big drop him in america as i mentioned the concentration of political power results in the concentration of economic power. and that is where you get a situation where the middle class suffers and fewer and fewer benefit because it's more politically controlled bank controlled by the markets. but what we need to do is return

to the principles that make free enterprise work. that creates the economic and social dynamic that we want in our country. it doesn't guarantee everyone success but it does guarantee more people opportunity to succeed. that is what we want in our country. >> right there in the aisle in the back. >> david hersey a fellow north carolinian or carolinian i should say. a question for you with regard come you didn't really speak about it but given the kind of state of economic disaster that we are in under this president and the and the state of the union he talked about you know the fact that we look strong in the world and some other things that i felt weren't true. could you speak just briefly about how our economic situation is impacting our ability to get

things done around the world and leverage foreign policy and how it is tied in with the debate right now? >> it was hard to listen to that speech. it was like we were living in different worlds. wide-awake canceling a major pipeline of oil supply from our biggest energy provider and then next week saying we are doing everything we can to create and make america more independent. a number of things like that, like making us a manufacturing nation. i go to a lot of manufactures and the biggest problem they have is obama karen dodds frank, the government pick eating winners and losers, the lack of skilled workforce coming out of our education system and the things that he is not talking about. so, the economic situation in america would not be hard to solve because it's out there

fighting back despite the policies of washington. but we are making it harder and harder to succeed and uncertainty has now outpaced the rewards and that is really how our economy works is individual takes a risk in hope of getting a report in if you get millions of people doing that you have a dynamic vibrant economy but when you raise the risk level and lower the rewards which is what this administration has done, throws the whole thing out of balance. it doesn't take a a lot. we saw that during the reagan years and just a change in policies to make the rewards predictable and worth going after, lower the risk from regulation and litigation as much as you can and then you will see people go out there and go after it. when they do it helps the rest of us. our foreign policy is definitely weekend by the fact that folks know we have to borrow money to pay our own bills.

they know we have to go to the international target from china means the ar wit money which as som which means the dollar will get weaker.f as some of our joint -- chairman of the joint chiefs of staff has said, our biggest issue with heb dad. and we are seeing now thetagonl pentagon pulled back on spending, warships, presence around the world because of our dad, because of our inability to pay for these.ay for the we need to think how we spend money and the military. but we should not have to weakea our defense is because we spend so much money and other areas with no return.the so the fiscal situation isated r definitely related to our national security. [inaudible] >> a lot of the times

conservatives are known to be on the -- rhetoric and the debate going on in washington as a prominent member of congress how do you turn around this idea that conservatives are selfish and that they know the difference between selfish and individual liberty and he said economic mobility. how do you change the debate so we know there's a difference between selfish behavior and being able to be successful economically versus having economic ruin? >> it's a great question because i know that a lot of americans are busy and not paying attention. they are not that well informed on what is going on and i think this administration really preys on that. that is how i think the president can have the audacity to in the state of the union say all of these things that go's of us who are really getting at but that he knows a lot of americans are not paying attention and that is really what i'm trying

to do with this book. it's not just to appeal to those who were involved in politics but hopefully someone will pick it up and just like i was and i confess in the book when i was 40 years old i had my own business with four kids and i didn't even know who my congressman was and didn't care because i didn't think i was a big issue in my life. but the more i got involved with business and community, the more i saw what our policies were doing. somehow we have to get the average american engaged in this process as soon as we can and i'm calling on people who are active to do everything they can to engage in the people who sit next to them at work or in church or in a cybergame and see if we can get these other people and ball. i have a whole chapter on what the right messages and we do need to remember that this is not about politics or political labels. it's about people, it's about their families. what people want more than anything else can a gallup just came out with a study saying all around the world as a good job.

a good job music and take care of their family and to the other things they want. having a good job means government needs to be about creating the best environment in the world to do business at the local, state and federal level. we can see the truth and communicated to people it's amazing to me that the democratic politicians can somehow say that we can punish businesses and create jobs. and that some americans still buy that idea. i have never worked for anyone who didn't have more money than i did and i'm very thankful for them. that is what -- stigmatizing success which we have seen and even some republicans, we have to not that down because i hope all of young people are aspiring to make a million dollars. in america 50% of the people who make a million dollars do it for one year. this is not a permanent class of people. what we want is you to work your

whole life to make a million dollars and when you do you create jobs and you create prosperity all around you and then you'll go over to the other side and somebody will take your place. that is what is great about america but to suggest when you get there that we need to take 60 or 70% of what you make, that's not going to get people going to college, going to graduate school or working and struggling, sacrificing so that they can be successful. if you have read the wealth of nations by adam smith and how prosperity really occurs, and i don't think many people understand. it occurs when you have got individuals out there trying to better their own situations and when they do just like i did, i started a business not to create jobs but to create a better living for myself. in the process i created dozens of jobs over the years, a lot of them starting their own businesses. i rented space and borrowed money from banks and borrowed for office supplies, created my own little economy and now

somebody else is doing it. but america is very different and unique in the power is still there. we just have to unleash it again but to do it people have to understand what it is in the first place and that is our challenge in this election. thanks for all the time. >> book, mr. brown come into your notebook called "beating the odds: eddie brown's investing and life strategies." where does your life began quiets >> well, it began in a small town in florida, wrote florida, 13 miles from orlando. so i was going to a 13-year-old unwed mother in abject poverty. so what this book --

>> what year? >> i was born in 1940. it was during a time of segregation. so imagine this. i would say people cannot control the hand they've been dealt a very. so someone has the tip my hand, unwed 13 roads and other ajit poverty during the time of segregation, no running water, no it tri-city and to come from that to building a very successful investment management firm is really what the book is about. and also it is about loving the successful business and how i went about it over the last 28 years. >> mr. brown, whether two or three names that happen in your life they changed the course of your life? >> will come you can always look at it as forks in the road.

the first four despite going down that path, things would've been dramatically different than the other path. i had a very entrepreneurial uncle growing up, lived a block away. he was in the moonshine business. so when i was growing up, i basically told three businesses between the ages of 11 and 13 -- >> in moonshining? >> no, but they did spend a lot of time with the alkaline in moonshining. now fortunately my mother keratotomy when i was 14. she was then an adult. remember she had me when she was dirt team. she was then 27 and she came and took me to live with her. so that it not occurred, i was afraid it is going down the wrong path. so there was a major fork. >> what about college? >> went to howard university right here in washington d.c.,

got my bachelors. many years later, masters in electrical engineering from new york university, many are sick or an mba from the masters of business administration from indiana university graduate school of business. so what i did was build a foundation thinking i was going to be in the technology world where i spent five years with ibm, but after getting my mba, i actually got very interested for more interested in the investment firm, so i switched careers and became a master your >> it is 2011. why did you write slbms now? >> a position in the business the category. and i had no interest, no plans to write a book and it was

actually lewis, who is the widow of the legendary reginald lewis, who degrade faster for the american entrepreneur after that encourage me to write this book. so when she did what she got claire walker hirschi at commission commissioned after they have since dad to call me. no player had a club, how he built a billion dollars business and john whaley happened to be the publisher. so when claire told about my story and presented a proposal, they got very interested. here's an african-american who comes from nothing to build a very successful business. for that is how it came about. >> addie brown is the author of this book, "beating the odds: eddie brown's investing and life strategies."

eddie brown. at the fenwick library. an hour-long interview program hosted by brian lamb here is 1989 to 2004. johnson ellis, university librarian shows us the collection entitled beyond the book. >> this to dissolve the book notes programs have c-span by reading this but she decided she wanted it and it gave him the idea of "booknotes." it would be worthwhile for them to read a lot of books.

>> and has one total episodes all original. this was the first official book notes, correct? >> exactly. it of course was the chair of the security council for the carter administration. >> john zenelis, when you pic it looks to go in the display cases, have you picked them? >> several of my colleagues made the selections of the works to be higher-rated and they made the annotations company come each of the displayed items and they chose to select a question on the book notes televised program by brian lamb and

produce new theory. >> urich in the ben franklin book you can see a lot of notes taken while reading the book. when you put these books in the cases committee to look for varying points of view, like jesse sanchez and general? >> yes, exactly so. earlier they mention, one of the criteria was to reflect the broad preset data involved in book notes and that is exactly the point. there are various subjects covered in the 801 books. and secondly, many, many points of view from our political press activity social gives come humanistic perspective, all kinds of perspectives. >> is this archive available for

scholars or for the public? >> it is beginning to become available. library staff are catalogued in the collections. we are about 40% through it at this point. for the titles that have already been catalogued, yes they are available to any student faculty member here at the university and of course because this information is accessible through the world wide web to scholars elsewhere. >> in the united states and abroad. >> you'll be putting it on the george mason website at some point? >> we've seen some of the books on display here, but she's also got posted throughout the library here and i want to stay with this one right here from iowa in's poconos interview, boundaries with her book. what are we looking at here? >> we are looking at two pieces of paper. one is a page from a writing pad

that has ryan lance knows about the book and then we have an envelope from a bill that looked like writing where he also had made additional notes, including some personal information. i understand henry who was the first person that employ brain professionally in a professional capacity. so it shows that brian lamb maintains relationships throughout his life with his early mentors. >> let's continue and look at the full collection if we could. and again we've got posters throughout. >> yes, the purpose of the posters is to connect this part of the exhibit to the other parts of the exhibit, which is,

we start loading this building complex. >> in the public come through here and see these books? >> yes, most definitely. any other part of the exhibit, which is outside our special collections and archives area. here we have three display cases containing materials from the bookstore collection. and this particular case, it is not just the books, but we also have what we consider an artifactual or archives part of the collection, which is relating to the book and it is john cole train -- john cole

train part of the music. >> mr. john zenelis, due out the books have notes? >> aviaries. i understand from brian originally he was not making annotations within the books themselves. he was making no separately. he has retained some of those notes but not all of them. but later on as the program progressed, he started making note in the books themselves. >> now, and the long-term, well that thinks they'd been opened as it is now to the air in the late? >> well, all physical materials

overtime deteriorate. however, we have libraries especially in a special collections and archives, we have special environmental conditions to preserve pay per and anything that is written on paper. so under proper care, this writing should last for centuries. this particular books can only be used on site and the reading room of special collections and archives to which we will be going to later. however, we have other copies available and the general collection at the library is available for situations. >> some more notes from one of the books. why did this one get one up? what was special about this one? >> we understand that paul thoreau is one of the at

favorite authors of brian and as you can see from this post or the blowing. he really became interested in this particular book and that is why we chose it because of their significance to the author. >> i have a letter from brian. >> exactly. remembering -- reminding that the book be considered for book notes and should point out that the late professor was a professor here at george mason university. in fact, this contains another book by a mason professor, which is the action of, say cheese, which by the way is the only fiction book to be highlighted

and the "booknotes" program. cannot figure the rest of the 801 books. >> exactly. these books are shelved in the order that they were in brian lamb's office at c's and can also, they are in the order of the televised programs. >> so, beginning here come except for the ones taken out and you have notes here >> for the exhibited items speaking on in this arrangement. >> so these are the books in order, correct? >> were you at work notes -- >> yes, i was a regular at this viewer. and when brian lamb announced on air that the program was coming to an end, i made a mental note that the next day i needed to

look into the matter of whether we could obtain the collection and the associated archive from the c-span organization and. soon thereafter, we made contact with mr. brian lamb. we visited him. we presented three separate proposals from 2005 until 2010. and then we convinced bryant at george mason university with ea good home for the collection. but more importantly, he was impressed with what we are planning to do at the

collection. this collection is going to be integrated with the teaching and learning and research at dvds at the university. we will be working with several academic departments to make sure that this material is integrated into the appropriate courses at the undergraduate and graduate level so that our students will have access to primary research materials as they study and explore the various subject areas that they are engaged with. >> for more information on the "booknotes" collection, visit the george mason university website at library.gnu.edu. >> here's a short author interview from c-span's campaign 2012 bus as it travels the country. >> ophelia de laine gona, tell me about breaks versus elliott.

>> rigs versus elliott was the first five law students that were arguing that public schools should be engaging. it started in south carolina. my father was the person who brought people together in the civil suit. they did not start out in desegregation, but rather they're asking for equal educational facility. at that time, the plot courts were very cooler. they were in shacks. must have been built by missionaries or independent people and they were claimed.

they didn't support schools. the teachers salaries were very interesting in that it is a four tiered thing. white males, then waits e-mail from black males. and they were law students that correct that situation. but the black people on that day were called. we were still without transportation, so his role began set began with the site appears in versus the school district. that lawsuit was first drawn.

>> posted position in the community at that time quite >> my father was a pastor and teacher and this is very difficult for people to understand that he didn't work with his parishioners and he wasn't working when it's his parents at the school. my father brought himself as a shepherd and it's that with anyone who came in to listen to him that people were just people of the community and not just parishioners there. >> how old were you at that time quite >> when this all began, i was supposed about eight. but by the time the court

decision was sacked in 1955, as a team. >> what was your experience during that time? >> my experience was very limited as far as the testing because my father -- people didn't come into our house. -- people were more afraid with a few others with the watching because if they didn't come to my father's house to discuss it, the men on the street or in the power. i was very nervous about this because as a girl i was at home. and they knew a little bit more. their memory is also better than mine. so they also had more contact with the people who were involved. >> we are brothers and sisters

mentioned in your book? see that i only have two brothers and yes they were mentioned in the book. i would say the book was written by the three of us, which isn't quite true. they provided information. i should've put my father is the co-author because much of what i wrote is his writing. he had written a series of articles about what he had done and these were published in the em christian recorder in the late 60s and early 70s and he had the information there is a needed and in addition he kept almost all of his papers as jay had earthwork sample and head of communications at the local school system.

>> so how did you decide what to clute and went to live out your boat? >> one of the reasons it took me so long was to decide what to buy and include a right conflicts were written by my father? so it was quite a lot of research to find as close to possible of the truth. the reason for writing the book -- the major reason was there a lot of erroneous thing where people claim to have been involved or think that there were others involved because perimenopause so they can be corrected. but the other reason for writing the book, which was the nose is that there are all and keep only

know one name. but my brother wanted to 20 names to go down in history. we did not want them to be less because all of those people were heroes. and so we called all of the names right now, but we wanted to write lisa bennett down. lisa was a sharecropper. emily richardson who was thrown off his farm and actually the road to his house was blocked when he moved someplace else and there were other people whose names we want recorded. >> thank you very much.