position on the constitution. and once madison passes a bill of rights, you've really removed the source of the -- the source that divided the antifederalists and the federalists. so now that the constitution -- the question of whether to keep the constitution is out of the way, they find new issues to fight about. and so the new parties sort of fall on different lines and i think you can see a split in washington's cabinet between thomas jefferson and alexander hamilton. i think you'll find that james madison was firmly on jefferson's side of that split. all right. it looks like no more questions. thank you everybody. [applause] ..

ian american history tv explore the literary culture of shreveport bleeders the louisiana starting at noon eastern on booktv on c-span2 author gary joyner and the union army's fell year in louisiana from one dam blunder from beginning to end. then a look at the 200,000 books of the collection housed at the lsu shreveport archived. they walking tour of shreveport with neil johnson and on american history tv, at 5:00 eastern clippers the look at the base's role on 9/11 plus the

history of a b-52 bomber and the founding fathers autographed collection at louisiana state executive museum and from the pioneer heritage center medical treatments and madison during the civil war. shreveport, louisiana next weekend on c-span 2, and 3. next on booktv diane brady recalled the efforts of reverend john brooks who traveled the east coast recruiting african-american students to the college of holy cross in the hope of realizing martin luther king jr.'s goal of an integrated society following his death in 1968. reverend brooks introduced several students to holy cross that year which included future supreme court justice clarence thomas and future winner of the pulitzer prize in literature edward jones. it is about 50 minutes. >> good afternoon.

i want to welcome everybody and start the program if we could. good afternoon and welcome. this is a wonderful turn out and we are happy to have everybody this afternoon. on behalf of the college as well as holy cross public radio of boston by want to welcome you to this monthly lunch. thank you for being here as we celebrate the publication of fraternity with author diane brady. an exceptional and accomplished journalist, diane has done all of us a great gift in telling the story of father bob brooks and extraordinary group of black students and how they are tied together at holy cross in the late 1960s to help shape their lives and changed the course of

history. as one reviewer commented, eternity brings to our attention for the first time an unsung hero of the civil-rights movement. another called the book incredibly inspiring, noting that diane captured the story not just of a group of amazing black men and their mentor but an era. senior editor at bloomberg business week diane first wrote about this time at holy cross history in the 2007 article for business week and has worked since then to expand the story into a book. we are delighted she is with us today to share her experiences researching, interviewing and writing "fraternity". we are equally delighted to welcome eddie jenkins who is over here to my right, who is one of the prominent men

featured in the book. i have to kid eddie. he played for the patriot and the giants. i don't think he has the superbowl. you had it in new york last night. he also -- we were kidding about who he might be rooting for this weekend. he remarked he was cut by the giants. shortly after he was designated the team's player rep. he learned leadership skills at holy cross as we all know and carried on to the nfl. it is my pleasure to welcome diane brady who will offer remarks before opening before to questions. welcome. [applause]

>> thank you. thank you for coming to this. where is mr. cahill, senior? thank you. who purchased 252 books and distributed them to the entire class of 1949. a compatriot of father bob brooks. thank you for that. i think eddie got tired from showing off the super bowl ring last night and is rooting for the patriots. i don't think we established that. i am a to mid giants fan in the midst so i will quickly move on to the book itself. i thought i would just talk briefly about why this story intrigues me so much. a little bit about the reporting process and bring it forward to today because that intrigues me and open the floor to questions and i will admit first of all i am sadly not a holy cross

grabbed which somebody thought naturally i must be an alumnus of the school--the way i came across the story was one of the men in the book, we were having lunch and it was the same day that ted wells was a front-page story in the new york times representing scooter libya at the time and going way back, he started to talk about his classmates, the other black classmates and started to talk about father brooks and i was intrigued because clarence thomas was one of those classmates and i have not read much about the interaction between justice thomas and father brooks. that got me in treated. i am a business journalist. was not a classic business story but i am always interested in leadership. always interested in mentoring and it took quite a while to get justice thomas to speak with me. in part because he didn't

necessarily trust the agenda that i had which is i would like in fact it talk about 1968-69-70. those years. and what amazed me was when i did go in to see him, the depth of passion he had for wooley cross. the feelings and emotions he had about father brooks. i am not sure who was at his presentation last week when he got an honorary degree but that came up again. when you contrast how he feels about across, what he said about his experiences at yale there's a profound difference and one of the big differences is the classmates and the way he felt treated at the college and what -- the way he felt treated by father brooks. basically i set out to do an article. i decided that it was in fact ground for a book and this being my first book project i went on all sorts of directions that

ultimately didn't work. one of which was lots of history of the jesuits. the publisher said no to that. a lot is the history of western which took me awhile to pronounce. like everyone else not from the area, knocked -- not wor-che e wor-chest wor-chester, it is worcester. my editors that i am getting confused keeping track of all these people. focus on these men and the fraternity they formed and use that as a microcosm for when they experience at holy cross and what was being experienced across the country at the time. there were a couple things i tried to be careful not to do. one was tight and the drama too

much with a love interest and dialogue. the main thing that was important to me that holy cross was both special and unique but was a microcosm of what was happening in the country at that time. i am not american. i grew up in scotland. i am half catholic but brady's -- brady is a handy name to have when you're at holy cross. i was born in the late 60s and never fully understood the motion of the time that the book opens right after dr. martin luther king has been killed. also father brooks intrigued me as someone who was a pioneer who went out and basically circumvented the admissions process. he was very controversial. those of you who read the book and who know him he was a very

strong-willed man and basically went out in a car with jim gallagher, drove to the school to personally interview lot of these men, not the men who came in through other means such as eddie who came in through an athletic scholarship and -- an eye-popping? can everybody still hear me? probably better. and sat in a coffee shop one night and decided who was going to get in, the two of them and presented the bill to -- for a college that had a million dollars in endowment at the time was quite as cost -- waycross to bare. what i was looking for, how do you decide anybody who is a parent in the room knows that intelligence is not something that is a hallmark of success.

doesn't necessarily lead to success. when you talk to father brooks he was looking for leadership comedy and people who had a work ethic, people who were hoping to reach beyond their grasp, black and white leaders believe was fighting to get women into the college. sadly for the class of 72 they did not arise until the fall of that year and that was after father brooks became president and said he managed to shake up the trusty a little bit and get people who finally did pass resolution to let women into the college. when i look at this story and i will take your questions, what struck me when i look at today is first of all the network. the network of these men is false fraternity because this is not about one man's brief

theology professor who went out to save a group of men. these are men who were highly motivated and being given an opportunity they would not have had. there were african-american students but they tended to be one or two a year. as part martin would say one would come in on athletic scholarship and one would be the catholic school network and that is about it. this is the first major group that came with 20 men. clarence trend -- clarence thomas transferred after dropping out of the seminary. was the first time they had critical numbers on campus. what happened was father bob brooks and the college never feared on academic standards. all of them had to work as hard or harder in many cases. ted wells and clarence thomas tended to close the library according to everybody at talk

to. they made concessions socially and understood how difficult it was. the college paid for a station wagon for them to get up as often as they could. he paid for them to have the s u. he allows them to live together on a black quarter which is very controversial. he has one of the editors of the crusade at the time and i remember reading a lot of articles that students were upset about this segregation they called it. when i talk to the men it was the idea that at the highest level at the college they understood people cared about their success. they understood people had faith in them and understood with father bob brooks there was an open door. he has that philosophy for 2,000

students who were there and many people here feel close to father brooks. he was certainly in worcester last week for clarence thomas's event. when i talk to him today he felt the college was missing out on being the best institution in this country by not reaching out and getting leaders from all parts of society. women and black and white and asian. holy cross made great strides in diversity. there has been a strong generation of leaders of women. i met jane roberts who was in the first class and many other women who were pioneers there. when i look at today one thing that is interesting is there has been great success, great faith in terms of what happened with african-americans. ted wells went on to harvard and some classmates include american express and kenna frazier.

a lot of highly accomplished men from that generation but also a lot of disappointment and what of disappointment in what happened with the black middle class in this country, what happened with education and the erosion of opportunities. what also happened in terms of the decisions, some of which have been made by justice thomas in terms of opportunities, affirmative-action and such and a sense that the next wave for this generation is going to be financial. is going to be encouraging entrepreneurship, basically giving people the tools to start their own businesses, and in closing -- thanks to the holy cross community because one thing this reporting process has

reinforced to me is the strong fraternity and powers that this school had at the highest level of giving which is amazing especially for people at canadian university. the government will do it. the holy cross -- when i look at the networks that have been formed, the power of the cross as they college and the way people support each other and love each other across the generations is very inspiring and a test of how leadership really happens. in this country it happens everywhere else and the love people have shown for 4 other books for this process, that they have shown these men in appreciation for how difficult it was to be pioneers on that campus, i hope in the stories that we will come back again and again. as a reporter i have to say given the support i got from holy cross of what every story to be based on the holy cross

campus. so thank you for supporting the book. i don't think it does justice to the period but at least it is a start. and others will come forward. and continue to tell the story. [applause] >> eddie is here. very busy not just because you're going to the super bowl. if you have a question for eddie, if you want to -- we can come a but feel free to ask questions because it is their story, not mine. any questions you would like to ask? >> i did want to mention c-span is here today. showed that a future date.

speaking to the microphone so we can get it. and the jesuits don't have fraternity. we do feel we are fraternity in many ways. >> 80, good. >> i think diane for chronicling this special experience and people who live through it. and from extended period time. [talking over each other] >> great scholar and continues to break community service. i am a board member. great work in the area of

affordable housing. last night we all got together at 11:30 and finish everything, and ted loves to be close to the job which is on fifth avenue above st. patrick's cathedral. and 40 years later what did we do that was so special that not only people remember us but on the cover of the book i know i gave you that quote last night. it was within a book someone took home. the community would never do anything like that. in the book at a quote from our luther king who said you look at

the measure a person not at the times where they stand in comfort and convenience but you look at them where they stand in a moment of crisis. that was our moment of crisis. the civil rights movement, if you remember yourself -- they remember what you did. you watch those reports on television and you figure the reports were enough and some of you read the commission report. at you talk about two societies we're developing, one white and one black and one rich and one pour and become further apart. some of you put your toe in and the data little something. for those of you who took the plunge and lost the sense of security huge jump in and we jumped in the river and did not know where we were going to end

up and those turbulent currents of racism and cynicism pulling address and just let them leave the leader of the we don't need them anymore but we continued to swim and father bob brooks continued to swim and he said it is not important they jumped out. it is important we give them silence. because we got to the other side the river that was formed where love overcomes racism, that is the part i challenge each and every one of you that there are additional rivers. diane talk about the economic crisis and i would add to that the incredible number of african-americans that are in jail today. more in jail than in college and we have an extraordinary problem in america we have to address. don't just look at us as some memorial, old guys who did something great 40 years ago. that was our river.

this is your river and your chance to jump in. thank you very much. [applause] >> i can't top that. the other thing that was interesting which came up last night and with clarence thomas as well, what has happened to the catholic school network, the elementary school network, people say the charter school that came in to perhaps fill the void but there was a real sense of loss. these men feel and the lot of people feel this was a real steppingstone for a lot of urban families to get their kids the type of education and discipline and values that would help to make some leaders in society and there is a certain wistfulness that that network is not as strong as it was when they were students and a feeling that there would be some way to make

it stronger so that as a theme as well. >> anybody have any questions. we have to wait for the microphone. >> you have to raise your hand. >> and seeing a song first. >> i was a student -- i haven't read the book yet but a couple questions. is there anything in the book about the impact of what was going on? i said that because it was a positive influence on me. in the cafeteria -- i remember working on this with eddie jones and the friendship developed and impact of later on. i would like to also mention that what father brooks did was

not just for the black students. i was from brooklyn and he did the same to me and it changed my life and after all across i worked six years in africa. i would like to say the combination of those experiences gave me that direction. >> that came up as a theme. >> another comment or question. something that came up when we were freshmen which annoyed us. it was sports illustrated article about -- >> jack donahue. that comes up on the book because sam grayson is one of the men who was deeply affected. this was a sports illustrated article where jack donahue who was the basketball coach at the

time of holy cross. [talking over each other] >> it was all there. >> kareem abdul-jabbar. he had made racist comments and so that does come up at the moment in the book and talked about the interaction with coach donahue over that incident but i know your time is tight. i don't know if you want to talk about that but certainly one of the themes that has come up as father brooks understood this was not something that was simply just good for the students. he felt was good for the college and felt it was good for the other students and it is telling the books that were assigned. there was a time one of them was in 66 art martin saying the autobiography of malcolm x was one property in america by one of your favorite alumnus, i will

let any address it because he knows better than me. >> what is your first name? >> in my opinion not only jumps in but swam the nile. is brian here? brian was -- one of the white students that walked out with us. unlike brian to tell his own story. >> and the black quarter was only three quarters black. there were not enough black students. that was -- >> three minutes or less. >> thank you. dean's point is we gain a great deal from being at holy cross during this time. meeting people from different backgrounds. i played football for one week

and busted my helmet and jack dickerson was my roommate. we got along our sophomore year and decided to run together. we were back on you eat 4 and i recall when interesting story. i share that's where father mcfallon. jack dickerson's that was an architect and a didn't know architects carried marbles. next door was a jesuit priest who lived next to father o'connor. he was the president manager of the building. he had marbles and i remember a day they were kneeling on the floor in our room and i thought this is pretty cool. my mother was a marvel champion in 1935. i didn't realize. that is the kind of thing we

were exposed to. [talking over each other] >> that is right. that is a happy memory. >> it was very difficult. we felt there had been too many -- all the black students had been identified and only a fraction of white students, we felt there was over racism and we were going to support all the students and i remember it was very tumultuous. i am walking out. how will i explain this to my parents? what is going to go on? then over that weekend, people realized how important it was that father brooks and ted and

clarence and art martin all got together and discussed this and talk to the trustees and eventually work everything out. it was a traumatic time, powerful time. i happen to be -- one last thing yet -- i was on the college board my senior year and there was a demonstration on campus and students could have other students represent them in disciplinary hearing so we had several great students, ted wells represented the student and all i could finca of was i hope i never have to -- he represented this fellow. he is very intense and years later i saw him on so many

venues. >> that was the start of his pro bono work. he never quite recovered from not getting paid. >> there was another over here. >> my question was for students like eddie, a freshman college, go to the process, father bob brooks was an intense guy making the pitch to holy cross and contemplate, difficult even to think of in 1968. >> it will be interesting. you had several options as well.

you talk to ed jones it was the only school that both let him in and gave him money and eddie was mulling over several choices. >> i go down south -- you know what this is? [talking over each other] >> this is p g rated tv here. stop that. >> her husband was one of the finest at holy cross history -- he is a great man. glad to have you here. if any of you have relatives you would like to do like the executive program at harvard business school, but i thought i was really good, really fast coming from new york. all-america and so forth and so on.

we all lineup. the players who win this race would get scholarships. we line up and we are running around the first thirty or forty killing everybody. and our end up finishing last. who were those last four people? those are people in the band. i don't know if you saw that but it was that fast. i didn't get a chance but thank god they didn't have the fast man at holy books. anyone else? i have done my job. i have got to go because this new job i was just appointed the new diversity, department of transportation. got to do my job across the board. thank you for everyone for sharing our lives with us. >> thank you.

[applause] >> way from the super bowl if you are watching sunday. ted will be there. >> i am in the class of 1970. high was one of the two students on the college judicial board for the walkout. and on the other side, the first thing i did was look at the index and i wasn't in there. >> you were one of the names from the archives. who is that? >> the process, we cross-examined the event. he was in the open and we went at him and when we got into deliberations it was the two students against the

administration and faculty and the decision was made over objections -- i can 3 call for sure but the drama was so intense and as you said it ended at 3:00 in the morning, we came back and this had happened which was such a brilliant move but it was incredibly intense. haven't gotten through the whole book yet. >> what was interesting is this was in fact what they had done with a clear violation of policy. technically according to policy that was just passed even days before specifically to avoid this type of situation they had broken the law. effect that it was an organizer,

and it was called at the time -- these random black students who happen to be with the same kind of demonstration crowd that was probably fetch soda to a lot of demonstrations. father brooks clearly thought of racism. but getting people to understand the difference between the level of the law and spirit of what was happening one thing that comes through is this wasn't a tactical move where they thought we will just get them to come back. these men thought they were abandoning their education and they knew many of them would not have other options. clarence thomas knew he could go home because he was kicked off the seminary. >> the other focus in the hearing was the fact that not only was it -- was the leaders of all of the political groups

in the school and they admitted that at the hearing that they picked out the people that they knew. the leaders. many people in that car. they picked out the ones who were the leaders in this sense -- [talking over each other] >> it is a very dramatic time. it crystallized -- certainly with what made the relationship with father bob brooks so strong that he personally fought hard to bring them back and get the college to reverse its decision. >> i have a question. what was it like interviewing the gentlemen? where they all cooperative? did they buy into this right away? >> justice thomas was

challenging, the first thing he said to me was the problem with your industry is journalists lie. thank you for having me. i did not come in with a strong agenda about clarence thomas. he proceeded to give me three hours of his time and met with me since then and the warmth that he showed, the sense of humor that i had not seen in public settings took me by surprise and very specific memories of holy cross and warm memories. what was surprising is those who read his book he wrote memoirs, he spent very little time at holy cross. very little time -- this messes out of hand the way he was and

considers himself a radical who has changed and transformed. what became clear through this process is shares many of the views he did have at that time and feel a closeness to these men that continues today. he and edward jones were closed through gil hardy. part of that process in recent years is he connected with the college and i am hopeful this book is part of that but it shows a more nuanced side of clarence thomas and he understands and appreciates holy cross at this point in his life more deeply than he might have several years ago. the other men were generally cooperative. edward jones is not a wild extrovert and is a brilliant writer so writing about someone

who won a pulitzer prize for literature is intimidating to say the least but very deep memories and in many ways many of the issues he fought for continue unabated today. ted wells is a lawyer through and through. there's a difference between writing an article and writing a book. there was some discussion with him and when i suggested the idea of a book all of a sudden the book -- you start getting into girlfriends and relationships and problems with mother and everything else which he didn't have. he wanted to make sure it is accurate. and everything was accurate. one thing is i didn't really go heavy on the dialogue because what people said it is natural there is revisionist history so you get multiple points of view

on what happened at a certain time, how people behave and at the same time can't give them complete approval to go through what they don't like because strips of the book a lot of interesting details. all of them were cooperative. very generous and i think the reason was father bork's. certainly for clarence thomas. the reason he did this was how strongly he feels about father bob brooks. >> a couple of comments. class of 77 -- [talking over each other] >> which wcf1 o class of 77 -- [talking over each other] >> which was an interesting addition that helped us grow significantly but a couple aggravations with regard to the black quarter. i was struck by the fact that

both black-and-white students had very little interaction. coming from places like d.c. philly or have the inner city areas. a lot of black folks had little interaction and a lot of white folks had little interaction and i think it created an awkwardness that the school attempted to navigate through but still a fair amount of work to do because there was a general sense among black students that the burden was on them--not necessarily in any other direction. the second point that i would make with regard to an emerging black middle class at the time that a lot of this stuff was happening, world looked very different from an industry standpoint. the general motors of the

world's. i grew up in western new york and that was a bddi part of our lives that heintered promote unskilled workers into professional ranks and people were sending their kids to college. rkehat is going on our economically, i am more concerned as my kids head to college, what happens with the diversity -- what is the way forward? >> it is an excellent point. i wrote an article about this recently and looking at the fact that this generation--the fight was for integration and there had been a lot of a entrepreneurship because it was necessary under jim crow. one of the things that is interesting to me is as a group,

the new businesses started in the united states 25% were started by hispanics and entrepreneurs. as a but aoup african-americans have lagged. one reason is becf wse of integration there are some cultural issues of starting a businesses, access to capital. with the unemployment rate a lot of hddihly accomplished africabouamerican college graduates went into the public sector and the public sector is shrinking even as the private sector he waes. those are posted and transparent. not with the private sector he waes and how did i -- how di that guy get that job? it reeked incredible havoc on the middle class. as an insurer from jesse jackson made a torldprioripco.

>> i think that might be here. >> wealth is here from the mid 60s and want to reminisce a bit. >> click, reminisce. >> good choice. >> i am ed joyce, class of 71. one of the interesting things to me having been there and a couple other people mentioned in the college judicial board of was there in between you and part of what came out of this was the college took the

position that if an incident happened and there was a racist civil-rights element it would be considered as a defense in the future -- future judicial proceedings and i was on the board in the first one of those and it was very difficult to deal with -- was an issue where most of the white students on campus didn't think it was a racial issue but most of the black students did. you are on this college judicial board as one of the student representatives and faculty members and dealing with this -- would have involved the racist

issue. the most interesting part was the first situation where ted wells was the defense counsel and i am a lawyer now and look back at that being the judge seeing ted wells handled this situation and one of the defense witnesses was clarence thomas. you are sitting there looking back 40 years and for those who don't know, ted wells was one of the most prominent litigators. >> he was lawyer of the year. >> obviously know about clarence. to be in the situation you are observing and even then ted was incredibly impressive. really was impressive. he was a year behind me some may be a sophomore or a junior at this time. just to deal with -- call it a repercussion but what came out of blacks leaving campus and the rest of the community trying to deal with it, we got through it

and it worked out okay. >> you forget how in passion people were and when we talk about our policies we put ourselves mentally back there and forget these were kids. they were 18-year-old and 19-year-old kids and the judgments you make at 18 and 19 are quite different. the emotions you feel and some things they ask for bordered on ridiculous especially when muslim students came to look at the grocery list of what they expected the college to buy right down to particular brands of tea that couldn't be purchased in the boston area. that is what kids do. you see push push push and see how far you can get. black students took over and other building in their senior year and ran into another group that was protesting and had to divide up -- it was the times

and it was difficult and not in every case can you say they were always on the right side. in this case history shows they were but there were many incidents -- the college should have fought back and said enough already. such an amazing moment of history from the fact that the entire football team came down with hepatitis. a case that was written up in the new england journal of medicine. you had the vietnam war. you had many different groups fighting to get an equal slice of the pie and to get a chance to see this microcosm with this group of men happened to do very well and men who did not do very well. there were many men who dropped out. african-american men -- not everybody makes in college and that was a tough time to go to

college and many were coming to a white college to discover they were not prepared. i mention those of you who know him. the top student by far at his school, and simply not gotten the curriculum that prepared him for the curriculum he had to face and that sort of thing happen again and again but a chance to look at that period and look at father brooks and look at the network that was formed at the college again and again is a story i hope was inspiring to this generation who might not necessarily remember that period of history and hope the future of holy cross as well. thank you so much for having me here. thank you for your support of the book. i hope to hear more stories as i go on and meet more of you.

thanks again. [applause] >> thanks very much. that was really terrific. certainly puts a all in perspective. an important error in time in holy cross history and certainly the determination of father brooks certainly, his leadership meant a lot not only to those in the book but also those in the room and can't help but tell this one little vignette that the last time father bob brooks was here a young woman -- and to

go coed, without hesitation replied we thought we all died and had gone to heaven. mental lot to a lot of people. as recently as yesterday there was an op-ed piece in the boston globe. a great piece particularly about father bob brooks. thank you for everything you did day. mike shanahan and my assistant who is over against the wall. appreciate everything you did. and christine maloney. thank you for coming down. so helpful to c-span and everything you have done as well. finally books will be available for purchase. this will be back in the room where we had a buffet. lots of things going on at the local club level so check the

holy cross website in particular, a great raffle for a big trip. a major trip. great opportunity to support the club. thanks very much. [applause] >> interested in american history? watch american history television on c-span3. forty-eight hours of people and events the document the american story. visit c-span.org/history for more information. >> 16. sweeping the youth of america. sign or two everyone here. [-- >> nice to meet you. the young lady. [talking over each other] >> so nice to meet you.

[talking over each other] >> when should we do that? >> you have your e-mail on this? you mean in person? >> that would be great. [talking over each other] >> i am looking to solve that. >> europe and france. >> i know. you read this book. france is all over it. we are going to do an interview with her today. [talking over each other] >> can you call me? >> i am just getting off tv -- so 2:00? thanks. >> the ibm the same interview?

>> you like that. sayre you are not in hiding. >> doing a body -- >> what happened to that poor cartoonist? >> pretty bad. >> i know. >> could i be in the same -- thank you very much. >> hello. >> nice to meet you. >> a un college? >> university of michigan. >> that is awesome. beautiful up there. >> take a picture with me real quick. >> you have to wait. take pictures quickly at the end. we have to get through these. are no. i know. you know what? i am going to walk through that one. that is the only way to do it. ask them to hold the books out. you know what? >> you want these?

>> yes. would you hold these? later. i am going to walk through the line. i have to go in five minutes. take my picture but no posing. [inaudible conversations] >> thank you so much. the book is upside-down. you are going to have to explain to everyone why my handwriting is messy. where are you going to school? >> north carolina. [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] >> thank you so much. [inaudible] >> where you from? >> michigan. >> huckabee democrat in michigan? >> i have no idea. >> nice to meet you. sorry we are rushing. [inaudible conversations] >> made a lot of people mad with your book. >> you are a great american. >> thank you. how are you? all rising girls are pretty. >> title page.

[inaudible conversations] >> on the radio. >> going to tv. hello. thank you. that is a great picture. all the hot pictures. how did you get them? you want to? >> thank you so much. thank you. thank you very much. thank you. >> thank >> good! [talking over each other] >> nice to meet you. hello. >> so glad i get to meet you. >> what are you doing now? >> grad school at university of florida. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. okay. [talking over each other]

>> college campuses. >> that is why you need my book. >> just want a picture real quick. thank you so much. thank you. >> do we have time to line up for pictures? we have two minutes. i don't know how you want to do this. [talking over each other] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]