chiarelli said this is a great achievement. but he does show up. of course because he was one of the great brand strategists of the 20th century. i think in terms of history he is comparable to his mark or the other classical grand strategists to be remembered in that way. he himself regarded the studies of the classic grand strategy in this place as extraordinarily important so yes, we talked about these things really quite a lot and i wouldn't hold george out as a model grand strategist for think there are many things were great and positive about him his life can also be read as catalog on what you should not do. >> host: his personalization as we were talking about earlier

on foreign policy and the completion at times the two things seem like something that would make formulating the grand strategy awfully hard to do because as the government's change and people change, you can see the grand strategies going back and forth. ..

if you think about the horrible first half of the 20th century was not only the great depression, the two world wars and think about how comparatively better the second half of the 20th century had done. i've actually argued argued the cold war was hopeful because it showed the great rivalries could exist without a refugee great wars. i think that achievement is going to be remembered 500 years from now for a thousand years from now. the people who remember it is the avidity will go back and discover it has any not the only person, but certainly one of the really people who came up with the path by which that was achieved. be not well, professor gaddis, i feel that this is a perfect closing note, especially when you think about them about iraq right now, which is arguably another pivot point in american foreign policy and we won't have george kennan to help guide us through it, but your book comes

out with an appropriate time. thank you for your conversation today. >> country and >> guest: thank you, susan. >> hi there, and added c-span's lcd project good we've got three of them for the purpose of these vehicles is to collect programming from outside

washington d.c. how do we do it quite restarts each with one person with a small video camera and a laptop editors said they are able to roll, record, produce and edit from the road. that is what we do with the lcds. i want to do this is good outside of washington d.c. and collect her grooming for all of our networks. we do it recall a city sewer. we will descend on each city with all three vehicles. while the two history program in historic site. the other would do but tv programming at bookstores catching up with doctors that there does community relations. regulations are important because they work with our cable partners in each city. the last thing that's important to know assault is not what goes on on the air but it gets archived on the website but what we also do in the city uses extensive social media. you see us on facebook. you'll see for a square,-based to tell people where we are going. you'll see us on twitter as

well. so the chance to get our message not only honor, but also on line and through social media as well. so that is why it's important to get outside washington d.c. can they get into places we don't normally do programming and make a commitment to get outside the beltway to produce programming for c-span networks. >> next on booktv, diane brady recalls reverend john brix to recruit african-american students to the college of holy cross with a hope of realizing martin luther king junior of an integrated privacy following his death in 1968. reverend brooks coming future president of the college introduced future supreme court justice clarence thomas and future winner of the pulitzer prize in literature, edward jones. it's about 50 minutes.

>> good afternoon. i'd like to welcome everybody and start the program if we could. >> good afternoon and welcome. this is certainly a wonderful turnout and were very, very happy to have everybody this afternoon. on behalf of the college as well as the holy cross public radio of austin is like to welcome you to this very special monthly lunch. i'm the class of 1981. thank you for being here as we celebrate the publication of fraternity with author diane brady. an exceptional and accomplished journalist, diane has done all of this a great game and telling the story of father paroxysmal is an extraordinary group of lax student and how their time together a holy cross during the late 1960s has helped shape their lives and change the course of history.

as one reviewer commented fraternity brings to our attention for the first time an unsung hero of the civil rights movement. another called the book incredibly inspiring, noting that titanic captured the story not just of a group of amazing what 10 minute mentor, but if an area. a senior editor at bloomberg business week diane first wrote about this time in holy cross history in the 2007 article for business economics works and sent to expand the story into a book. we're delighted she is here with us today to share her experiences researching and interviewing and writing "fraternity." we are equally delighted to welcome andy jenkins, class of 1972 who is right over here to my. it is naturally one of the prominent men featured in in the

book. and i have to also kid eddie of course he played for both the teachers and the giants and he's got the super bowl ring on. i heard you had it on in new york last night. [laughter] we were kidding us who he might be rooting for this weekend. and he remarked that he was cut by the giants. shortly after he was designated the team's player wrap. i think he learned leaderships skills of holy cross. and now it's my pleasure to welcome diane brady who offer remarks before opening up the floor to questions. welcome, diane. [applause]

>> thank you, everybody. thank you for coming to this. i want to see, where is mr. cahill senior? thank you purchase 250 bucks and distributed them to the entire class of 1949. the peachtree to father brooks, thank you very much for that. and i think eddie got tired from showing up a super bowl ring last night and is officially in fact rooting for the patriots. i don't agree actually establish that. i'm a very timid giants fan in the midst will quickly move on to the book itself and i will just talk a little bit reflate about why this story intrigued me so much, a little bit about the reporting process and bring it forward to today because they think it is what intrigues me and then i'll open the floor to questions. i'll admit first of all i am not

a holy cross grad, which is somebody thought is naturally that they must be an alumnus of the school to know the story. the way it came across a story within grayson, one of the men in the boat. we were just having a luncheon was the same day that ted wells was the front-page story in "the new york times." he was representing scooter libby at the time so it's going way back. and he started to talk about his classmates, the other guy classmates he started to talk about father brooks. i was partly intrigued because clarence thomas was one of those classmates and i had not read the interaction between justice thomas and father brooks. the duchess got me intrigued. it was not a classic business to worry, but i'm always interested in leadership. i'm always interested in mentoring and it took quite a while to get justice thomas to speak with me thinking part

because he didn't necessarily trust each other and i had, which was made would like them back to talk about 1968, 69, 70, dozier's what amazed me was when i did see him come in the depth of passion he had for holy cross from the feelings and emotions he had about father brooks. i'm not sure who was at his presentation last week and he got his honorary degree, but that came up again i think when you contrast the way feels about holy cross versus what he has said about his experiences at io, there is a profound difference and i think one of the big differences with those classmates in the way he felt treated at the college's certainly the way he felt treated by father brooks. and so i basically just set out to do an article. i decided that it was in fact grounds for book and i have to say this being my first book project i went on all sorts of directions that ultimately

didn't work, one of which was lots of history have to just do it. publishers said no. enough of that. a lot of the history which took me a while to pronounce like everyone else who is not from the area, not dorchester and ultimately came down the story of these five men and father brooks. one thing and end was unfortunately i also -- a lot of the people i talked to had to diminish their roles in the book. i had to take names because again the editor said, you know what, i'm getting confused keeping track of all these people. focus on these men, focus on the fraternity they form and use that as a microcosm for what they experience a holy cross and what was being experienced across the country at that time. and i think that there were a couple things that i try to be careful not to do. one was heighten the drama to

match with fake love interest in dialogue, but i think the main thing that was important to me that holy cross was both special and unique, but it was a microcosm of what was happening in the country at that time. i am not american. i actually grew up in scotland. i'm half catholic but brady is a handy name to have when you're reporting a holy cross. i was always intrigued by this. those born in the late 60s and never really fully that kind of the emotions of the time that the book opens right after dr. martin luther king has been killed. also father brooks intrigues me as somebody who was a pioneer who went out there and basically circumvented the admissions process. he was very controversial as you know. those of you read the book and know him come he is a very

strong-willed man and basically went out and a car with jim gallagher, drove to the school personally interviewed a lot of these men, not the men who came in through other means, such as eddie who came in through unathletic scholarship. am i popping my piece? can everybody still hear me? enough, sat in a coffee shop one night and decided he was going to get in, the two of them. and then he presented a bill to father sort, coming to present at the time, $80,000 for a college that had a million dollars in endowment at the time was quite a cross to bear. but what he was looking for, i asked him, how do you decide? anyone who is in the parent in the room knows that intelligence is not necessarily some admit is a hallmark of success.

it doesn't necessarily lead to success. we talked to father brooks he was looking for leadership qualities, looking for a drive, looking for people who have to work a thick, people hoping to reach beyond their draft, black and white and as you may or may not know he was fighting it time to give women the college. sadly for the class of 72 they did not arrive until the fall of that year and that was after father brooks king president and said he managed to shake up the trustee board a little bit and get some people on their they did finally pass the resolution to open into the college. so i think that when i look at this story and i'll take your questions. i think what really struck me as i look at today as first of all for not work. it's a network of these men. it's called fraternity because this is not about one man, a

free theology professor, later 18, later president who when not to save a group of men. these are men who are highly motivated, highly accomplished, who are being given an opportunity would not have had probably two, three years earlier. for african-american students at holy cross, but they tended to be one or two a year, in some cases one ms. martin would say, one would come in on sunday, what would come into the catholic school network and that was pretty much it. this is the first major group became. it was 20 men. clarence thomas transferred after dropping out of the seminary. so it was the first time the critical numbers on campus. and what i think happened was father brooks and the college never feared on academic standards. all of them have to work as hard, harder in many cases that i think ted wells and clarence thomas had closed on the library at night according to everybody i talk to.

but i think where he did make concessions for socially. and he understood how difficult it was. he gave them a psu fan. the college paid for a station wagon for them to get off campus as often as they could. he paid for them to have a psu. he allowed them to live together on a black quarter which is very controversial. i know we have one of the editors of the crusader at the time and i remember reading a lot of the articles that were basically students are very upset about this resegregation they called it. but he understood it was difficult and they make concessions. when i talk to the men, it the idea that the highest levels of the college they understood people cared about their success. they understood that people had faith in them and they understood was father brooks there is always an open door. he had that philosophy for the 2000 student who read there.

many people here fear very close to father brooks and argues that with us today. he was with us last night and he was certainly with us last week for clarence thomas' event. i think when i talk to father brooks today, he just wants leaders and he felt the college was missing out on being the best of the tuition in this country by not reaching out and getting leaders from all parts of society, women, black, white, asian. holy cross is made great strides in diversity. certainly there's been a strong generation of leaders appointed. and that jane robertson was in the first class and many other women who are pioneers dare. but when i look at today, i think one thing is interesting that there is a great success, great faith in terms of what is happening with african-americans ted wells went on to harvard. some of his classmates they are to include american express, ken frazier, a lot of highly

accomplished men from that generation. but there's also a lot of disappointment in a lot of disappointment out what has happened with the black underclass in the country, what happened with education and the erosion of opportunity. frankly would also happen in terms of some of the decisions, some of which have been made by justice thomas in terms of opportunity, affirmative action and that's in the sense that the next wave for this generation is going to be financial. it's going to be encouraging entrepreneurship. it's going to be basically giving people the tools to start their own businesses and to inspire the same -- i think that's my song parodies are the same generation of leaders that came out there. i think enclosing before you take any questions, one thing i want to say is another saint to the holy cross community because one thing that's reporting process has really reinforced to

me is the strong fraternity and the power that the school is hot, but one of the highest levels of getting, which is amazing, especially to people like canadian university. we just don't give. the government will do it. but holy cross when i look at the networks that have been formed, the friendships, power of the cross that they call it in a way that that people support each other and love each other across the generations is very inspiring and is also to be a testament of how leadership really happens in this country and happens everywhere else. i think the support of most people are shown for father brooks to this process, that they have shown for these men and appreciation for how difficult it was to be pioneers on that campus i hope is a story that we'll continue to come back to again and again. as a reporter, given the support i got from holy cross won every

story to be based on the holy cross campus. so thank you, very much. thank you again for supporting the book. i don't think it does justice to the. or to father brooks, but i hope at least it's a start and others will come forward and continue to tell the story. so thanks again. [applause] and i guess i will not take questions. and you know, eddie is here, was a very busy man, not just because your going to the super bowl but if you have questions before he leaves, if you want to just -- you can come up, but feel free to ask us questions of him because i know it is their story, not mine. does anyone have any questions that like to ask? [inaudible] >> it's terrific. i did want to mention that c-span is your and this is being filmed. it will be shown at a future date. so we've got to pass the

microphone around us but i'm trying to say. if everyone speak into the microphone and give your name, that would be great. i can't help but in the jesuits who don't have fraternities. but we do feel it queerer fraternity anyway. who's first quiet eddy. >> first of all, i'd like to tank today and for chronicling this very special x during its poorest people people who live through it. but before even begin to tell you about my assessment of less than where we are, but they too recognize the pioneer who was one of the only african-americans. bob credo, could you stand up, please? amazing track star, great scholar and continues to do great community service working with me and bob does great work in the area of affordable housing.

last night, we all got together about 11:30 and we finished everything. and you know ted, who loves to be close to his job, which is on fifth avenue at st. patrick's cathedral. we were looking down at saint pat's cathedral. we all sat at the window and looking back at me later, what did we do that was so special that not only people remember us, but put our picture on the cover of a book? and so, we thought about it and we said, i know i gave you a quote last night. it was within a book that someone took home. i actually had a book that someone took it. but that's all right. the holy cross communion would never do anything like that. but in the book -- i had a quote from martin luther king. martin luther king said you look at the measure of a person, not

at the time when they stand in comfort and convenience, but you look at them and they stand in a moment of crisis. and that was our moment of crisis. they are based on the civil rights movement. if you remember yourself, those times, and you remember what you did? miniview watch those reports on television and you figure that you know, the reports were not in some of you actually did read the current commission report, where he talked about societies developing, one white and one black and white rich and one poor and they become further apart. some of you even put your toe in and maybe just a little something. but for those of you who actually took the plunge and lost the sense of security, you actually jumped in the river. and when we walked out more jumped in the river. we did not know where we were

going to and out. in this turbulent currents of racism and cynicism or polling on this. the london communities to set and leave them be. we don't need them anymore. but we can see% and more importantly he said it's not important that they jump out there and because we got to the other side, the river without was formed was spread love overcomes racism. and that is the part that i challenge each and every one of you that there are additional rhythms that you must plunge into today. diane talk about the economic crisis. i would add to that the incredible number of african-americans in jail today. more jail than in college and we have an extraordinary problem in america we have to address. so there are more rivers. don't look at us as some memorial, some old guy that did some degree 40 years ago. that was our river.

this is your river now it's a chance jump in. thank you very much. >> i can't top that. [applause] you know, the other thing that's interesting which which came up last night with clarence sso is what is happening but is is is will networks, the elementary school network, such in the cities that charter schools have come in to perhaps fill the void there, but i think there's a real sense of loss. i think these men feel and a lot of people feel this is a real stepping stone for a lot of urban families to get their kids the type of education, and the type of discipline and values that would help to make them leaders to society and there's a certain wistfulness but that network is not as strong as it was perhaps when they were students and a feeling that maybe would there be some way to make it stronger again?

so that certainly is, but the scene as well. does anybody have any questions? go ahead. i guess we have to wait for the microphone. and you have to sing a song first. >> hi, my name is deemed man and i i was a student. i haven't read the book yet -- yet. but a couple questions. is there anything in the book about the impact of what was going on on the white students? i say that because it was a positive influence on me. i remember playing cards in the cafeteria with clarence. i remember working on the program at teddy jones. remember drinking with joe wilson and the friendships you develop and how it impacted later on. i'd like to also mention that

what father brooks did, was that just for the black students? post for info and come family in brooklyn and he did that for a man that changed their life. after holy cross at what worked six years in africa. i would like to say that the combination of those experiences giving that kind of direction. >> yeah, that came up as a theme. i'm going to actually -- go ahead. >> there was something that came up when we were freshmen, which annoyed us and bothered as. i wonder if that came up, too. the "sports illustrated" article about -- >> about jack donahue. that comes up because the immigration is one of the men and obviously was deeply affected. this is a "sports illustrated" article word that donahue was the basketball coach at the time the holy cross i believe

called -- >> recruiter of the holy cross was there. >> yes, kareem abdul-jabbar. >> you know, he had made some racist comments and said that does come at the moment in the book, certainly same type that the interaction he had with coach donahue out of that incident. but i know you're time is tight, eddie. i don't know if you want to talk about that, but certainly one of the themes that it, his father brooks understood that this was not something that was simply just good for the students. he felt to this good for the college. he felt he was good for the other students they are. and i think it is telling the books we are assigned to those who were there at the time. one of them was in 66 martin was saying in the autobiography x was one poverty in america by one of your fellow alumnus, michael harrington.

so i think i will let any address it because he knows better than me. >> what's your first name? >> dean in my opinion not only jumped in. you slam the nile. his brand canal here? i prefer brian. come on. ryan was one of the ways students that what. so i like trying to tell his own story. >> and also the black quarter point out was only three quarters black because they're not a black students who felt the black quarters. >> thank you. i think dean's point is that we all gained a great deal by coming across during this time of change, meeting people from different backgrounds. i played football for one week invested my helmet and jeff

dickenson was my roommate. we got along. so sophomore year, we decided to rent together and i recall one interesting story. i share this with other nick fallin. jeff dickerson added think was an architect and i didn't know that architects. marbles. and next service they just of a priest reprise to live next door, father o'connor. i think he was the resident manager of the building or architect. and he had marbles. and i remember a day they were both kneeling down on the floor in my room, rolling marbles. i thought, this is pretty cool. my mother was a marbles champ the end in like 1935 so i can relate to this. but i didn't realize. but that's the kind of thing

that we were supposed to do. blast back >> is very difficult. we felt that there had been too many -- but all the black students had been identified and only a fraction of the weight you to write in the ge demonstrations we felt there was overt racism we were going to support all the students. i remember is very tumultuous thinking would make going to do quite calm acquaintance minus two by parents click and then, you know, what is going to go on quite but then over the weekend, people realize how important it was in father ted clarence all

got together and discuss this entire to the trustees and eventually they were everything out. but there is just a germanic time, a powerful time. we all learn from it and i happen to be one last thing you appear to happen to be in the college judicial board my senior year and there is a on campus that students could have other students represent them in the disciplinary hearing. and so, we had several great students, gentle but he over senate someone and todd wells were resented the student who got trumped and ali could think of afterward was i hope i never have to face tad on the other side. but here it is senate this fellow. he was very intense and later i saw a so many different venues.

>> he said that was the start of all is pro bono work. so he never quite recovered from the atf not getting paid very much. i think there is another question over here. >> eddie, don't go away. my question was for the student who are like eddie. i've been a freshman in college. if you go through the process, even father brooks who is an intense guy making a pitch to cut to holy cross. something was very difficult in 1968. >> i think it will be interesting because you several options as well.

contact sue at june. the only school that both let him in and even many and i think eddie was mulling over several truths is. holy christ not be in your top. >> quick story. so i go down south. kathy, you know who this is? this is kathy van. >> no hi, this is e.g. rated tv here. >> or has been not only one of the hot finance basketball has three, but he's a great man. glad to have you here. and if any of you have relatives you want to do lake the executive program at the harvard business school, this lady. so i thought i was really good, really fast. prefer new york. we're all-american as the fourth to one years so i go to florida in a period of waling up and they said hey, the first three,

four players that win this race are going to get color shifts. so we line up in the running an and i take out the first 30, 40. i'm killing everybody. people start passing me and i ended up finishing last. they said those are the people in the band. i don't know if you see in the marching band. the band was that fast. so i didn't get a chance to go to florida a&m. they god they didn't have a fast and holy cross. i've done my job. look, have to go because his new job i've just been appointed the new diversity at the department of transportation. got to do my job. thank you forever in here for sharing their lives with us. >> thank you, eddie. and he waved to us from the

super bowl if you are watching a sunday. so with ted, ted will be there, too on the opposite side. >> my name is tim cantor, class of 1987. i was one of those on the college judicial board for the lockout. and i sort of thought from the others i guess the first thing it did when i bought your book was to get the index that wasn't there. >> you are one of the names that came out. who's that? developed this character more. >> but the process they went through it, there is a serious hearing. we cross-examine the event. he was out there. he was in the open and we went on a and when we got into deliberations of his early 50s even against the administration

and the faculty and the decision was made over the two objections , which i think is their dissent and i can't recall that for sure. but the drama was solid 10 mncs that, that ended at 3:00 in the morning. we went home, came back and this had happened, which was just such a brilliant move. but it was incredibly intense. i haven't got through the whole book yet, but it was great in bringing that back. >> well, it was interesting was this was in fact what they had done with a clear violation of college ball is the. so technically according to policy that's just been passed even days before he specifically to avoid this type of situation they had broken what it was that really bothered these men was that it was the organizers, specifically the organizers of

the ds for the rac with the time and these random black students who happen to be with the same demonstration will show up as though it probably show for a lot of demonstrations that cared about the war. so father brooks clearly thought it was racism. he protested getting people to understand that the difference between the letter of the law or the spirit of what was happening. one thing that comes through in the book is useless in a tactical move with a couple just kind of get them to come back. these men really thought they were essentially abandoning their education and knew full well that many of them would not have other options. clarence thomas knew for one he cannot go home home for having a seminary. he might be other folks in that hearing was the fact that not only was it the black students chosen, but also the leaders of all of the political groups in

the school. clearly the man admitted that at the hearing was that they picked out the people that they knew. there were many people, but they picked out the ones who were the leaders with a sense that -- ackley. the mac now, the very dramatic time and i think it just crystallize. certainly i think with a really made the relationship was father brooks is strong because he personally thought very hard to bring them back in to get the college to reverse its decision. >> athletic question, diane. but what it was like interviewing the gentleman? for the all cooperative? did everyone buy into this all the way? be met well, interesting obviously as i said just as thomas was challenging than when

we first met, the first thing he said to me was the problem with your industry is that journalists live. i said thank you for having me. but you know what, i think that i did not commit within a strong strong agenda about clarence thomas. i done again has a history, that he's given me three and half hours of his time. that would be sent than the sense of humor that i had not necessarily public setting took me by surprise and all the how various this vivid memories of holy christ and were members it was surprising to those of you who read his book, you wrote memoirs, he says very little time in holy cross. i think it's four pages. very little time and dismisses

out of hand the way he was then convicted titters himself a radical who has changed and transformed. it became clear through this process in a move to the other men was that he actually shares many of these are the did in fact have at that time and feels that closeness to these men that continues today. he and adjuncts are very close to kill heard he died, those of you who know gil and i said -- i think part of this process is that years since he has reconnect to that the call i am hopeful the book was part of that. i think it shows a more new ones site is to inform clarence thomas and i think he understands and appreciates holy cross at this point in his life much more deeply than he might have even several years ago. the other men were generally cooperative, you know, as jones is not a wild extrovert and as a brilliant writer, writing about

someone who wanted was surprised is intimidating to say the least. but very deep memories and i think in many ways many of the issues he thought for continue unabated today. had wells is a lawyer through an through and there's a difference between writing an article in writing or. there's been this passionate and. all of a sudden made for getting into girlfriend relationships and problems with mother and everything else. malis was wonderful. safety key wanted to make sure it was accurate. and so i did make sure that whatever everything is accurate. one thing i did was i didn't really go heavy on the dialogue because davis dispute over what people said they think natural to these revisionists is very so

you try to get multiple points of views on what happened as a certain time, how people behave. at the same time you cannot give them complete approval to just go through and take out whatever they don't like because that essentially strips the book of a lot of the interesting details. so all of them were cooperative. i think they were very generous in making the reason was father brooks. certainly for clarence thomas the reason he did this and came back to the college was how strongly he feels about father works. >> hi, just a couple of comments. i was class of 77 holy christ. >> egotist of the women all the way through. >> that's right. which was an interesting addition. it really helped us grow significantly. but i guess a couple observations with regard to the backorder. i was struck by the fact that

how a few vote black and white students had very little interaction coming from places like d.c., philly, some of the heavy inner-city areas, a lot of the black votes had very little interaction and a lot of the white folks had very little interaction. and i think it created an awkwardness that really, you know, i think the school will attempt to navigate through that, but there is still a fair amount of work to do because there is a general sense among black events that the burden was on them to reach out and not necessarily any other direction. the second point i guess that i would make what is with regard to an emerging black middle class of the time that a lot of those staffers had been. i think the world book very different from an industry standpoint. general motors of the world, you

know, i grew up in western new york and i was a bit part of our lives better and promote unskilled workers into the professional ranks and people setting their kids to college. you know what's going on right now economically. i guess i'm more concerned as my kids had to college and are still on their way about what happened with some of object is? what is the way forward i guess quite >> what's interesting in it's an excellent point because i actually wrote an article about this recently and i was looking at the fact that this generation , you know, that the fight is for integration. and in fact there've been a lot of entrepreneurship in the black community in part because it was necessary. under jim crow you had the black hairdresser, the black dentist, you were black businesses black consumers. as a group, of the new

businesses started in the united states, 25% started by hispanics , latino, entrepreneurs. as a group, african-americans have lagged in one reason is because of integration there are some cultural issues and starting businesses, access to capital and a lot those unemployment rate, i think a lot of highly accomplished african-american college graduates went into the public turn we know the public sector is shrinking even at the are hires will continue to shrink this year and one reason they went to the public sector is those are jobs posted. it is not the way the private sector hires to business team. how did that guy get that job quite these are jobs they can get before in a no-bid basis and not send and has wreaked incredible hardback and it's an issue that reverend jesse jackson has been a top priority. it's an issue that ted takes a

bow, a bow, eddie thinks about and there's a lot of focus right now and how to use her to bring back where the jobs are going to be, which is small business, entrepreneurship and frankly silicon valley. there's been a lot of attention on venture capital and what's happening in silicon valley, too. so it's a different world. thank you. i think that might be it. >> who else is here for the latest 60s perhaps >> at her house you want to reminisce. >> hi, ed joyce, class of 71. one of the interesting things to me having been there and a couple of other people mention they were in the college judicial board. i think i was on in between you. and i think part of what came out of this was -- was the

college took a position that if an incident happened and there was a racist civil rights element to it, it would be to have heard of the defense in future judicial proceedings. and i was on the board in the first one of those. it was very difficult to deal with this issue. it was an issue where i think most of the white dude that didn't think he was a racial issue, but most of the black didn't. and you're on this college judicial board is one of the two student representatives of faculty members and administrators can you try to do with this because you know that the black students involved clearly thought it was a a racist issue. and you almost everyone else in the campus didn't think it was

than you had to do with that. and we got through that. the most interesting part of that to me was that was actually the first situation where ted wells was the defense counsel. and i'm a lawyer now and i sort of look at that he and the judge come to see ted wells the situation. one of the defense witnesses was clarence thomas. so you are sitting there -- not looking back 40 years. for those who don't know, ted wells was one of the most prominent litigators in the country. >> he was aware of the year a couple years ago. >> first day of the thing about clarence. to be in a situation where he observed this in events had with really impressive. he was a year behind me, said he was in his sophomore or this time. but just to deal with -- khaleda repercussion, but what came out of the black leaving campus and the rest of the community trying to deal with it.

we got through it and it worked out okay -- >> you forget how passionate people aware and i also think when we talk about our college days and we tend to split ourselves mentally back there and these were kids. their 18-year-old coming into your kids and the judgments you make it 18 and eight teener quite different. the emotions you feel in some of the things they ask for bordered on the ridiculous especially the muslim students came to look at the grocery list of what they ask that the college to buy right down to particular brands of tea that can be purchased in the boston area. that's kind of like kids -- that's what they do. you push, push come to see how far you can get. i think the black students took over another building in their senior year and ran into another group was protesting and they had to divide up the fact is sit and where. it was just the time and i think

it was difficult and i think not in every case can you save it they were always on the right side. in this case they think they were in father brooks and history shows they were. the third many incident where they did the frankly at the college should have fought back and said okay, enough already. such an amazing mullet in history and everything for me than the fact that the entire football team came down with hepatitis, case and ended up being written up in the "new england journal of medicine," you have the vietnam war. you had women come in many different groups that were fighting to get an equal slice of the pie and to get the chance to see this microcosm of this group of men who happen to be very well, there were men who did not do very well. those of you in the class is there a man who dropped out. african-american men, white men,

not ever makes it a college and i was a particularly tough time and many of them were going to college and discovered that they were in fact not prepared. those of you who know them as a top student by far at his school in savanna came and discovered he was not prepared for chemistry. wasn't anything to do with intelligence. they not gotten a curriculum that prepares them for the curriculum they had to face italy cross. it's chance to look at the puritan father brooks on the network that's been formed to college again and again i think is the story right now but i hope was inspiring to this generation who might not necessarily remember that. and history and i hope the future of holy cross generations as well. the thank you very much for having me here. thank you for your support of the book and i look forward to hearing more stories as they go on to meet more of you.

the thank you very much again. [applause] >> pink spray match, diane. i was really terrific. and certainly puts it all in perspective as we reflect is a community on an important area and time and holy cross history. and certainly, the determination of father brooks, certainly his leadership has meant an awful lot of only two has talked about in the book, but many of us here in the room. and i can't help but just how this volatile vignette that perhaps the last time father brooks is here a young woman asked him a father, what was the type down and it just the president in the college of the

vote was taken to go coed? teapots very, very briefly and without hesitation replied, well, without which all died and gone to heaven. [laughter] so he's meant an awful lot to an awful lot of people. just as recently as yesterday was not that he's in "the boston globe." affinity missed it was a great piece about father brooks in yesterday's globe. it certainly would like to think the harvard club for everything they did today. mike shanahan, nicest of his overt the wall, appreciate everything he did very much. tomcat again, christine dyer, christine maloney, thank you for coming down from the college and being so helpful and to stand for everything you have done as well. and finally, looks will be available for purchase and day and is here to and once again that we'll be back in the room where we have the book day. lots of things going on at the local club level to check the

holy cross website in particular. a great route for right now for a big trip, a major trade so it's a great opportunity to support the cloud of blue look forward to seeing you again in march. thanks. thanks very much. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> and now more from shreveport weekend here on booktv. >> i am one of the assistant archivist at the memorial library. archives and special collections. i have been intimately involved with the caddo parish records for the last two years. recently we have finished processing a large version of the record and we have many

people who like to review these included researchers from all over the northwest louisiana. in particular i would like to highlight one of our more unique case is. the death of a 16-year-old girl in 1834, make you thin at the hands of the so-called butterfly man. daniel nadir, otherwise known as frank lockhart brutally murdered and me kissing in 1834 in shreveport. so we are going to take a look at one of the records. and here we go. this is a copy of the actual coroners file on the desk of make it stand. this is an original report. this was prepared by or willis

butler. it describes her death at the hands of fred lockhart who was his alias. daniel mae was his actual name and she was found dead at april 15, 1934 actually wrote to the right effect to revenue in shreveport. the time of her death was thursday afternoon, april 12, 1934. this is fairly typical of a coroner's report that shall find in our files from this time. after the cover sheet you will find dr. butler's statement as he describes where her body was found as well as evidence that i scattered around the area. he also describes the physical appearance of fred lockhart, the suspect in cattle perish jail to find any precedents on hand.

there's reports of the deputy sheriffs involved in the case. birthstone. the statements of other witnesses present at the scene. in this case, mr. will mary and said that i had been fishing on the lake two or three years off and on an upper cream and me went fishing yesterday between 8:30 and 9:00 a.m. we are walking through the woods and i saw something piled up in a cluster rushed and i told u. something. he said but what what it's quite say that i don't know until i get there. albert said it looks like something dead. i told them to wait if we would go over and see. it went over there and saw there was a crow that was murdered and she had a cluster of leaves and rotten wood piled on top of her and she was laying on her side with her legs spread open. so another walk to