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>> this is about an hour and 15 minutes. >> hello, good evening. so, i wanted to introduce the writer, jamal joseph. i met jamal and long time ago. he used to be the chair, he used to be the chair of columbia university where i went to graduate school. and long ago, i had a friend at new line cinema, sort of a big company, makes big movies, and i was saying to her one day that i was working on this movie about the black panthers and i was doing all this research, and our berlin wanted to talk to someone. and she said, well, i am working with this fabulous screenwriter. she loves the work is minted. she was just like, he's incredible. and you should talk to him.

and i thought that's so odd, you know? i didn't fully understand, was he black panther party was he a friend? it seemed very strange, two very separate things, screenwriter for big hollywood company and black panther. that was my first meeting of jamal. i found him to be incredibly soft-spoken and gentle man, and i think that was in many ways one of the first times that i sort of saw an african-american who really was working in hollywood, and writing movies. and i thought that was far more amazing that he lived this history, that i really admire so much. and you know, i think that from then on we sort of knew each other. and i think that probably something that i find most

amazing about him, and about his experience, is that, you know, when i went to them about a year ago and i wanted to get some photographs from him to use for our project, i remember asking do you have anything that you could lynn become any photos, any letters? and he said i don't have anything. when i was a young man i think he was about 16, and i had to go underground and we dumped everything. and i thought, that is to me so profound that he was such a young man, that he had to kind of destroy this sort of young life that he had an order to hide. and i found it very heartening and i think that in a lot of ways the line is history, that moment has always stuck with me.

so, you know, i'm really very, very happy to introduce this amazing writer, and here he is, jamal joseph. [applause] >> thank you so much. good evening. want to just acknowledge, first of all, the philadelphia free library for this event of setting it up. whitney, who is a wonderful friend and dynamic publicist who has been working hard. and in all of the panthers. we don't a former panthers. we say panther alumni. who were in the house. reggie shell was the captain, was the leader of the philadelphia chapter. reggie, are you here?

where's rather reggie? we have to give him a big round of applause. [applause] >> sister, barbara cox from philadelphia, who is married to field marshal don cox. when it should come to new york, i don't remember when you would be in new york either the harlem or the bronx, barbara, how you would take the young panthers, because we were always hungry into theaters. we go to restaurants and churches chicken waffles or fish and grits. barbara, we remember those days. brother who will help with the q&a later, but can i have all of the alum stand, please? all of the panthers are out tonight, please just hand. give them a round of applause. [applause] >> in the house.

i apologize a little bit. i found out on i have a little kidney infection, so i was on tour and then went to l.a. and got to seattle, and then from seattle got really sick in boise, idaho, and thought i had the flu, and the doctor diagnosed it. so you'll see me mop down kind of a little bit. such a great conversation we have been having, not only about my experiences but how young people got involved in the struggle and how it relates to today. and what we can be doing today. and not wanting to sound like a '60s conspiracy theorist, but i had a nightmare that night when i found out that i was strapped to a hospital bed, and there was j. edgar hoover with a big syringe and a lack of laughing his. >> guest: off.

my journey into the black panther party started before i became a panther. i think what i would like to do is just to read a little passage from the book. and then show you how it happened to walk into the panther office and how that day changed my life. this is chapter three of the book. it's called finding the panther later. i walked into a panther office in brooklyn of september 1968. women. wait a minute. wait a minute. i meant to say the best for last but not until the end of the program. is chairman bobby here? yes, chairman of the seal, founder of the black panther party is in the house. wait a minute, chairman bobby. please stand up. [applause]

>> i knew i was saving a professor reading it is like no gun he didn't mean to do that at the end of the program. you want people to know that bobby seale is an outcome and, and it will get his chance during the q&a to talk to the chairman obvious will. i walked into the panther office in brooklyn in september 1968. dr. king had been assassinated in april of that year. riots and anger was around the country. the feeling on the street was that the ship was about to hit. black power was the phrase of the day. hating whitey was a hip thing to do. from street corner speeches to campus rallies, whitey had gone from being the man to being the beast. young black students were trading in their feel-good motown records for the record speeches of malcolm x and the angry jazz recordings of arnet coleman. i went down to 120th street in harlem that night, the night

that dr. king was assassinated. protesters and writers swarmed the streets, clashing with cops, overturning cars, setting trashcan fires and hurling bricks of white owned businesses. one of the windows was shattered by an airborne trashcan. looters ran into the store and started taking clothes, appliances, and where else they could carry. not everyone who looted. in fact, most of the crowd continued to chant the king is dead, and black power. but it was enough to start swinging clubs, and making arrests. a cop grabbed me and threw me against the wall. before he could handcuff me at plugging into the paddy wagon, a group of riders across the street turned the police car on. the cop told me to stay put, and ran toward the riders. i was scared. but i wasn't stupid. i took off running in the opposite direction. i blended in and try to that which way to go.

the group of cops headed towards us, some of the rioters ran into some clothing store that was being looted. i followed. the cops into the store swinging clubs and making arrests. my heart pounded as a ran into the back of the store and found a backdoor leading to an alley. i gasped for air as i ran down the alley and was stopped by a wooden fence. the cops came into the alley. halt, the yield to put your hands up. in my mind, i froze, put my hands in the air, and turned around to face the cops with tears in my eyes. but my body kept hauling ass. i grabbed a fence and screwed over the top like a scared "allez jet." two shots rang out. one splintered wood on the fence near my butt, this gave me the fear ago than push i need to flip over the fence, pick myself off the ground and scramble out of the alley. when i turn out onto the street i kept running, right there is to of the cops who tried to grab me. but i jerked away, turning the

corner i almost collided with a group of 20 or so black men in leather coats, an army fatigue jackets worry afros and berets, standing on the corner in a military like formation. stopped running, young brother. one of the men said. don't give these pics any excuse to gun you down. i doubled over, trying to catch my breath. i didn't know this man. but his voice sounded like a life raft of confidence in a sea of chaos. moments later to conference and corporate they stopped in her tracks when he saw the militant men. the men closed ranks around me. what are you doing here, one of the cops demanded? move the site. the black man with tinted glasses didn't flinch. we are exercising our constitutional right to free assembly. making sure no innocent people get killed out here tonight. we are chasing looters, the cop reporter. no looters here. as you can see, we are disciplined community patrol.

you have guns, the cop asked with fear in his voice was that's what you say, the man with tinted glasses replied. i said, we were exercise our constitutional rights. the cops took in the size and the discipline of the group for a moment, and walked away. by the time i caught my breath, i was speechless. but by that time i caught my breath, but i was speechless from what i just seem. black man standing down the cops. go straight home, young brother. the pigs are looking for any excuse to murder black folks tonight. with that, the black man walked on. i scooted down to the subway and headed home. when it entered the apartment, grandma was sitting on the couch watching images of dr. king on tv. tears fell from her eyes. she didn't even ask where i had been, which was unusual since i was about two hours late getting home. i sat next to her, put my arm around her, and we watched tv

reports of the assassination. i came to school the next day -- before that i just want to say a little bit of a my adapted grandmother. i was conceived in cuba. and my mother was a graduate student, and broke of with my father and came home, and announced to my grandmother that she was pregnant but she broken up with a guy. my grandmother pressed over but more about who the father was. and when she found out that he is a young revolutionary was hanging around with the likes of fidel and raul castro, mom got put on the first plane to new your city. in cuba she had been a debutante. should been a graduate student and on the way to be a doctor. but when she showed up at new york city she was a young black woman who couldn't speak english. she spoke spanish and she spoke french, and then a friend told

her about a loving place where the took kids. so she put me there for what she thought she would be a temporary stay, but it wound up being my early childhood and adolescent home. noonie grandma and paul baltimore took in what they were quite old. and their parents and their older brothers and sisters had been slaves. so i grew up hearing the stories about an american and about a south where you didn't look a white person any idea if you're black coming down the street. in fact, if they were on the sidewalk, you got into the gutter. no matter if it was raining, it was muddy, how old you were, the sidewalk belonged to them. i heard about the ku klux klan and about lynching and about jim crow is first person reports. they saw cross burnings, they lost relatives to lynchings. with that though they were working-class people.

noonie worked as a domestic. paul baltimore work as a laborer, and they joined the naacp and i was active in india belay cp youth council. i was an honor student. i was in choir. i had a sense of what was going on. we collected food and books to send to the civil rights workers in the south who were disturbing that stuff to the communities. hogtied when i was about 12 years of so just me and noonie so there was a distinct warning to be manning the figuring that out. than dr. king got killed and i was enraged, angry. and so the day after this, i went to school. on the fringes, on television you would see stokely carmichael and bobby seale and newton, and the news described him as a black militant. and, of course, stokely was talking about black power.

i want to backup, to come and talk about poverty because all of my lessons in black is a, i don't want you to think that it was over the dinner table, books spread out. he was a working man and he was a good man. he was what they called in those days a race and. so a lot of my lessons which is be as simple as we be watching television. the old black and white tv, and a tarzan movie with come on. johny weissmuller would swing across the screen doing the tarzan yell and he would speak is language and alliance would go here and elephants would go here. the monkeys would go here and possibility at that annex five misty woods at what the hell is that? .com become how to help a little baby can fall out of a airplane, boy, change the damn channel. it was living history. then i would switch and every reason. i remember the first time seeing a young harry reza, and he was

giving some editorial, i think is about the space program. he was going on and on and being very educated, very bright white young men. he looked and said he is a lying timing had damn cracker. change the damn channel, boy. so it was living history. i like the. i could use some of the in the schoolyard. so in the militants came up, not one with a challenging the structure in a different way, in a way that we hadn't seen in the movement, they were flying about it. you know, again, stokely was talk about black power but our one news report where h. rap brown got arrested for possessing rifle in louisiana. and they covered him getting out of jail. you stand on the courthouse steps and rapid all the reporters gathered up and he said i want you to listen. he said if he thought my rifle was bad, wait until you see my atom bomb. this brothers great, he's bad.

so i went to school the next day and i announced to my friends and i was a hallway monitor so i said to this group of guys, i announced to them, no, as clear as day that i, a. b. joseph, am going to be a black metal tent. and what my friends come by my good friend, a white kid, a jewish kid looks up at me and says eddie, i don't know if you can announce you're going to be a black militant like it's a career choice. but you're going to be a doctor or lawyer. know, boy, you watch. you watch. then i had to has much to prove as to paul asked myself, find the most militant organization. and it was subjected, believe me. i didn't really know what was going on, you know. reasons to look at organizations and rejected just on the surface level. like a black muslim. plus grandma makes mean they can say can't be a muslim.

they ran a news report, talking about the rising militancy in america. and historic about the black panther party. they ran the footage where the panthers led by chairman bobby, storm the state capitol in sacramento. and for folks who don't know, the panthers started patrolling the streets of oakland, california, with shotguns, enforcing one of the aspects of the 10-point program. i want to get to that later, but that -- it was legal to carry guns in california. if they were to conceal. make it clear, first bobby and the other panthers who joined understood the law, understood the right to bear arms, understood the right to observe the arrests and following person to the precinct, bail them out if they have the money but if not do were young lawyers and

legal volunteers help get the people. but i'm seeing these black men with guns. so california respond by saying yes, the losses you can carry weapons if they are not concealed. but when we wrote that while we did mean black guys with leather coats. so they quickly moved, and the panthers responded by storming the hearings in sacramento. and it made national news. and am looking at this from grandma's black and white tv, seeing the panthers stormed the legislature going like their crazy. they thickens and leather coats, their crazy. powerful white legislature, the white men ducking under the seats for cover. and in the panthers, chairman bobby the statement, yeah, about the constitutional rights to bear our and that we have to defend ourselves because the police are not defending our communities. they are occupying our team needs. and the reporter says the ultimate black panther party come communist literature in the

trunk. i said they're so crazy but i said, leather coats, guns, demands. >> i'm joining that when. >> because your kid. you want to be with a rough and tumble. there wasn't a panther office in the bronx were trained to lead. two of my older friends, they found a secret headquarters of the black panther party, and anybody that knows about the panthers knows that our offices in our community centers were anything but secret. but we found a secret headquarters and those like to our subway ride to get there. and as we were riding, not having real information, the guys are kind dislike each other out, namely me because i think they thought if i jumped off the drink they had to go get me, right? so one guy leans over to me and he goes, you know this is series, right? you know that panther is like the mafia, when she joined is no

getting out. there's no getting out of? but i can't be a puck in front of my boys like kind of, you know, squared my skinny little shoulders and said, i don't care. another guy leans over and he says, you know the panthers to play, right? you have to kill a white kid to be a panther. kill somebody? but i can't be a puck in front of my boys. i said i don't get together that goes get it right, get right. you don't have to kill a white dude. i'm so relieved. you've got to kill a white cop. and yet to bring in his badge and his gun. i don't care. we get to the office and there's that wonderful black panther party sign on the outside. we come to the back and i sit down and brothers and sisters have on leather coats and the army fatigue jackets, some have berets and at first, some the sisters have their heads wrapped it up for the person was running the meeting was the information lieutenant, and he is explaining

the panther 10-point program. now, this is, if you read this, is written in october 1966. if you read this document, that was at 45 years ago. the thing is that it is going to sound a could of been written two years ago. talk about that and just a minute because a lot of those points have not been addressed. but the points are things like we want freedom and power to determine the destiny of our community, appointment of our people. decent housing, nothing in there about killing white dudes. nothing in there about bringing the cops better, hearing this? i have my own internal conversation i want to be a man. i want to show my boys. i think the brother gets 2.5 which is about education. education that teaches our children history and the true nature of this decade in american society. i jump up, choose me, brother.

army. because you know what? i'll kill a white dude right now. the whole meeting stops. he said come here, young brother. i come up, and he sitting behind wooden desk. he reaches down to the bottom drawer, and my heart is pounding. i thought he was reaching in the door, going to give me a big ass gun. and he hands me a stack of books. autobiography of malcolm x, famous little red book from mao zedong. and i'm thinking, i played hooky to come here. and he's giving me some books. this must be attested he's checking out to see if i can be appeared to get my gun today. i'm 15 years old, brothers and sisters. i'm this skinny. i have like you see on the cover of the book, a little jacket and my avatar and my voice had changed yet.

i cleared my throat, tried to push the book, the face of my voice and a look at the right in the eye and i said, excuse me, brother -- [laughter] i thought you were going to ar army. and he said, excuse me, young brother. i just did. and as i'm walking back to my seat, he says, young brother. let me ask you question. said sent you talk about killing white folk. of all of these cops, these races police or any community who are murdering people, brutalizing people, guns and down like dogs, he said all of them were blocked, and the people being killed and brutalized were white, he said all of these store owners in the community who are ripping the committee off with high prices, rotten meat and spoiled vegetables, if all of them were black and the people being ripped off were white, and he said, these fascist pigs, crooked politician, he said of all of were black and people

being exploited in the press were white, would that make things correct? and this time i answered with my brain instead of my now deeply bruised adolescent ego, and i said no, brother. it seems like that would be wrong. and for the first under brother smiled and he said that's right. he said this is a classic struggle for human rights. study those books are you understand what the revolution is about. so i like to tell that story because i was, to the notion that people have about the black panther party when we look back with the black panthers was violent organization and they just hated white people. and i was disabused to both of those things the very first day. and as i was leaving the office, next to the posters of malcolm x, if you eat and bobby, there was this poster and it had this quote. and it's a quote that i soon came to understand that led by

in a movement. and is taken from a speech that he'd give it a few years earlier at united nations but innocent at the risk of sounding ridiculous, let me say that revolutionaries are guided by great feelings of love. and that became clear to me. made clear that that was going to be my work as panthers committee programs, breakfast programs, health clinics, food giveaways. that was the work. i'm on the go all the time. on the go all the time. noonie is like boy, where you go? school. where you going? basketball brought to the budget not on the team. i just maybe, you know? so i'm on the go doing this to. cleaned your room, take up the garbage, grandma gets tired and she does what grandparents will be, parents will do. she went to straighten out my room. and hidden under my bed, between the mattress and box spring, was all of his panther literature. and i came home from school that night, or probably from a

meeting or commend the service that night, and grandma have a kitchen table stacked with panther papers and other literature, and she had in the middle of a bible she had a strap that she used to beat me with. that was the mafia also. unit, if you see the artwork of emory douglas, imagine how this is where women who had been born of slaves. do you know what i mean? seeing cops betrayed his pigs with flies buzzing around the heads and schoolchildren, you know, african schoolchildren therefore, you know, books on one end. that's cool, they're going to school. ak-47 on the other shoulder, you know? and i come in and asked uncle and grandma said boy, what is this? i was like, grandma come your in my room? she said don't you even start. what is this? because i don't know whether i'm going to bless you with this build content belt or bless you with this bible.

i pleaded, i tried to explain. she already at this point was seeing on the news every day that panthers were being arrested and that panthers were being killed. so i went, you know, obedient grandson i was i had to go one more time. i said i can't come back anymore because grandma is like a brainwashed local time, she can't let me go. may be, almost like she was a superhero leaping over a cart into my chest and she said never ever talk about your grandmother like that. she said because she is just letting you the best way she knows how. and you need to be more responsible about all of us. well, my section leader came to speak to her. what we call the crazy brother. 90 made sure that i knew my 10-point program, that i report to committee service, that i conducted myself as a young panther, you know, even the right way to hit on a panther

girl. he's like jamal, you're a panther now. what's happening, baby? panther women don't want to hear that stuff. they want your power to the people, my sister. [laughter] and then when you say, then when they said how you doing, brother? you say my sister commented, i'm usually exhausted, i'm worn out. i was up early this one at the breakfast program and i was organizing a school and is already health the health clinic helping out, and i did community patrols. we were helping to senior citizens get home. and i was in security, i just worn out, sister, but, you know, what? it's okay because i'm struggling for the people. [laughter] excuse me, let me try to keep my eyes open over your. [laughter] the sender might say -- the system i say well, brother, you're so tight, why don't you come by, we'll make a little dinner. that's what a panther boy wants a. so he came to my house to talk to grandma. he came, head on his leather

jacket be taken all the buttons on. he had a time but i didn't we were allowed to wear ties. and he sits down and he speaks to her and he says mother baltimore, noonie's name was may baltimore and he called her mother baltimore. right when he gets to play because she is an elder. if you say 80, can't come back to the panther office, i have to listen to the. we have to listen to that because you're his grandmother. you are myopic if you tell me to do something right now, i have to do it. he said, but another is not doing everything that he is supposed to do. and if you don't mind, whether you think about tonight, i would like to keep an eye out for the if you see his curfew is 10:00 him if he doesn't walk and house at 9:45 i will take off this belt and i will beat his but. i'm sitting on the side going that's not part of -- what are you doing? you are signing up to beat me with grandma. that's not, you, you are suppose to come through like a panther, you know?

he said, ma'am, i know he can be doing better at school but if you're him to bring you in 85 on the next algebra test, if he doesn't bring you a 95, i will take these sites 13 combat boots and i will give him a swift kick it up. and and grandma listen. kind of checks up, with the lord, she had that hot button. she said well, you know my mind was made up. she said, but you seem like a nice man. and it's hard raising a boy alone. because you don't know his mom and his granddaddy passed away. you keep an eye on him and make sure he does what is posted you around the house, around church, everything i will let them go back. and so, array, i went back. more active, but may be more conscious of what i had to do and take care of grandma. and five weeks later, and assaulting, we were called the swat team today but they were called tactical patrol force, kicking grandmas door at 4 a.m.

i just turned 16 and the taking out in handcuffs and chains. and what became the panther 21? and that number 21 is because, you know, the district attorney in new york, mr. hogan, was going to solve is panther problem a little bit differently. they were attacking panther offices all around the country in des moines, iowa, offices blown up. here in philadelphia, the office was raided and the panthers were made to stand naked in the cold for hours and hours. and, of course, in chicago, fred hampton was murdered in his sleep, but he is going to legally a just. so that number 20 represent anyone in leadership position in the black panther party. and although i was the youngest, i was always around and i was a good student and hard-working. my name came up. yes, him too. we're getting all the

leadership. we didn't know what it meant, what our conspiracy case meant. and when we got to court, the bail was set at $100,000. now, that's a lot of money today. imagine what that's like in 1969. so we were remanded and sent to different prisons, and as time went on, the lawyers fought under the rules of discovery to find out what this case was about. at the heart and soul of the case was made the undercover cops who are part of an elite unit in new york called the boss you come the bureau of special services. and one of the boss unit cops was a man named gene roberts. who wasn't a nation of islam are left with malcolm and was malcolm x his bodyguard. and, in fact, just a few feet away when malcolm was assassinated. you can go online and you can see pictures of malcolm a moment after he was shot giving mouth to mouth resuscitation. batman was gene roberts.

malcolm to his last breath from an undercover cop. he use those credentials to join the black panther party. and affecting the security officer or the other person is part of that elite unit was my mentor. he came in, used, has a military background but he always was the crazy can't accuse a person who if we talked about organizing the building is having problems the landlord, showing the tenants have to take that money and make repairs and fixed the boiler and do some things that was, you, hold the money and as go. he would be like where does the landlord live? let's find out what his little mansion is an go burn it down. of course, the young brothers like tasha a separate with aggressive, that person who is telling you i know where to get a dime a, know where to get the

guns. he was the agent provocative or. he was the informant. so there was a journey of the panther 21? power was coming out of prison and become a spokesperson for the panther 21. and thereby one of the youngest spokesperson for the black panther party. there was a return to prison for shutting down drug dens and drug houses in harlem, because the drug epidemic in harlem as was in philadelphia, as was in chicago, as it was in watts, drug dealings -- druggies were acting within 20. it was like an open air market, and we were seeing kids 12, 11, 10 years old buying drugs and going off to one of the abandoned buildings and codeine. and so we began to shut those drug dealers down by force. and then finally there was no

longer stand which was the state and federal prison where i met an old prisoner who gave me some great advice. it was good advice are being in prison but it's good advice for life. he said youngblood, he said you can serve this year time or you can let this here time to review. at that time to be in the college program at university of kansas, and i dived in, but having a good and would earn two degrees from ku, from the university of kansas. it's also where i found power to create. because i done someplace that was involved in the black arts movement and the brothers kind of came and they said you were part of the panthers and things out there. and i said yeah. a lot of people know the. oh, yeah, you taught karate and martial out of there. yeah, people know the. you get complacent set, didn't you, brother? dan, how did they know that? and i said yeah. they said yeah, right. and i said oh, man.

if i violate the rule? in any event i went to the library to there was no black place but it was one black plate but it was a raisin in the sun. and there was, so i wrote a play. i had women characters and went back and said look, don't let i found was a raisin in the sun. and the brothers said, it's cool, just look around the yard and pick up for five, we'll put a dress on them. no, no. so i wrote. we were rehearsing it, and, with some of the black prisoners. and in three or so comes the leader of the latino crew and his writing. these are some tough brothers. they were doing life. they killed a couple prisoners since they had been jailed. and they come and they sit down and we'll thing, they left the turf, what are they here to do? the leader, rafael dias looking

like he is upset. he is getting madder and matter. and after 10 minutes he looks at me, pointed at me and he's like yo, sa. let me speak to you. and i was like oh, man, i knew this was a bad idea. he said essay, we heard a rumor about what you are doing and i said it's too. i'm going to take something. you listen and to listen to. that guy you're working with, that at the guy, he is not getting his character. [laughter] i said roxio, why don't you come in quick he was great. he made his friend index another black history month play became a black and latino history month by the a white guy set up to come a toughest guy, 220 pounds, bodybuilder, black belt, he comes up, he comes back to our slitter. all his guys around them. white springs, bankers, bikers, bank robbers, he said he went up there with a black and latino guys? he said yes. they said, what were they doing,

he said a play. they said rev, what did you do about a? he said well, they gave me a part. [laughter] we became the only the first group, the multicultural group and were able to use that conversation to the arch to talk about those things that i'd learned 15 years ago in the panther party, to talk about class struggle, to talk about the fact that operation in this country means visit to the slavery of african slaves didn't happen just because white folks didn't like black folks. because he was an abundant pool of labor. the first slaves were indentured servants. but there was an expiration date. their time would or not. they would be free. in the native americans he would say no, we live here. i don't think so. so you had this abundant pool of labor and you have racism that became the marketing strategy for operation. and from then until now, from the founding fathers, from the

first stop being traded on wall street, african slaves, and from the first fortunes that were being made the insurance companies who ensured the slave trade, like lloyds of london, and other countries, we dealing with oppression as business. and what happens to malcolm x at the time he started talking about race and economics, what happened to dr. king, what happened to the black panther party when the black panther party said, this is about class and economics. and when we say all power to the people, we do mean power to all folks. white power to white people. brown power to bring people. yellow power to yell at people. red power to read people. when you have that power the state will attack. the stable the prez. the state will do anything they can to destroy you. so, excitement about what's going on today on college campuses and with the occupy movement, excitement about what's coming in a common about people taking to the street. but i like to remind them about

what we did. we took it to the streets but we took it back to the communities. we learned from people like chairman bobby, that you have to organize people around their needs. and we learned that from the civil rights movement. we are in the community always feeding people, housing people, clothing people, and creating that understanding. fast-forward to the work that i've done with impact repertory theater, empowering young people to the arch, but letting them have their voices heard about what's going on, and when you combine an activist and artist and we like to call it an artifice. and five at colombia university where i'm a professor, for 14 years, as a young path to i go on campus and they would, students would take over the campus. unicom in protest of the war, any issue. columbia was a hotbed, and it had the panthers and the lord's and edward. panthers would use a kind of

close the shelf. and as a young panther i knew my job was to get the crowd on fire. i would give a speech that would go something like brothers and sisters, if columbia university doesn't recognize that the war in vietnam is a war of -- they don't recognize that the united states paid military is occupying vietnam the when your city department occupies, turned occupy this campus, and brothers and sisters, you need to do more to take this campus over today. you need to burn the damn place down. the students of course which year. fast forward four years but i'm walking toward a class. the statute of alma mater, we argued, a big brand statute and the set of campus. and hear someone say, and there's a students around. it's a little chilly a. now my colleagues and i take another step and the lookup and it's that statute in the statute that we would blindfold with

north vietnamese flag and spray paint and should look and shoot you like how, if professor joseph. i remember when you wanted to burn the damn place down. two new alma mater could? >> who knew she was black? thank you. [applause] >> we're going to do q&a. and while we're setting up to help us moderate the q&a is philadelphia's own, who for 22 years in public administration work within the structures of public policy advocate at right here in philadelphia. he and his wife founded, and he served as president of the community foundation, which he

created in honor of his son, who was killed by gunfire when he was 15 years old. a 15 year old shot by 16 year old gun on by 17 your. their way of morning was to fight back. on behalf of all of our young people come and create a really dynamic foundation that is doing education and job counseling, and lots of magnificent work. so please welcome brother. [applause] [inaudible] >> there we go. first, brother jamal, let me just ask you one quick question. all what you been through with the panther party, what would you describe or how would you

describe the impact of all that? you know, brother, the thing that is the most impactful that i think it forms what i do is this idea of love and service. ask any panther, it's kind of a loaded question, because there in the ring but it's the future if you meet someone who is in the panther party, and by the way, chairman bobby and i laugh about this. if all of the paper said that they were panthers were really there, we would have had about 100,000 members. i figure it out height we might've had 7000 or 10,000 members. but what i do say is look at their eyes when a child is in a room, or when an elder is in the rupert and if if you see real love there, if they weren't in the panther party, maybe they were there, but if you ask them come and we did this with a brother one time. there was a big event at columbia university, and support, and doctor cornel west

was on program. and i was a program. and i said panthers will tell you that we are taught to have undying love for the people or they will say serve the people mind body and soul. that's what did you going. when her own apartment is free but don't think because we are panthers that the special housing force. you all are panther scriptures that could house. working with rats and roaches and broken borders finish it up when it is cold all across town to feed kids are not your kids. it's what make you we are exhausted at the end of the day to get off that bus or get out of the car and help the elderly person with the packages up that seven floor walk up. and by the way, at 12:00 midnight when you're going to get that three or four hours sleep that we're lucky to get, this is what makes you get back off that bus and stand between a cop who has their gun drawn and a person is up against the wall that you have a message for

comment to put yourself in harm's way. because you understand i haven't met them but they're my brother or my sister, the idea of undying love. and a brother calls me from prison and i'd said this argument and i said come distance of the question for you, and when asked and said, what would utah to believe, above all other things? and he said love the people, serve the people. >> we're going to open up the floor -- great question. gave him a great hand. come on, don't be shy. [applause] >> as brother jamal talked about, it's 45 years later, but there's conditions that still exist in a 10-point platform program that we need to address today. if you have one point that would qualify conditions today that need to be corrected. which one would you use? >> all of them. i know that's like a blanket as a composite of the things i like to talk about a lot, since i essentially grew up in prison, you know, that we had a point where we talked about, that all

black men and women are released from federal, state, county prisons and jails because they have not had a fair trial. and when i was in prison, growing up in prison, the united states was number three in the amount of people that it had locked up behind the soviet union and south africa. about four, maybe 500,000 people. now we are undisputed number one. 2 million plus people locked up. military-industrial complex, slave wages, but it's legal. all right? slavery is not legal but it's legal to lock somebody up because these provisions make what? they make future, they make uniforms, they make t-shirts for the navy. they make fiber-optic cable. huge profits. schools that are being examined, and a, people in prison industries look at third and fourth grade reading scores to

determine how many prisons to build. and all those programs that i told you about that exists when i was in prison don't exist in more. college education program for all those are being cut. so we have to address that. and i say we have to create roadblocks to jail and pathways the yale for the gym and. we have a sadistic that says one for the graduate from high school my wind up in college but one in three are guaranteed to be in prison, we have work to do. it's the work that you are doing, brother, the work that i'm trying to do with young people that aggressive intervention, in their for them, not just demonstrate. because think of this, please but if there are too many people, 2 million people locked up, how many children are prisoners are in that cycle with a grandparent, their father, another are destined for prison? we need to be a different mentioned them before they get into the system. that's or graham, that's love, that's if you can't anything else, take and get a slice of

pizza or a hotdog or shoot some hoops. maya angelou talks about patty. i heard this quote when i was younger cares the thing about parenting and mentoring. you don't have to be perfect, but please be available. [applause] >> all right, we're going to open the floor but before do that once again i want to take proper recognition of the founder, black panther party, bobby seale. cofounder. bobby seale. >> i think would be remiss -- [applause] i think would be remiss if we didn't give chairman bobby the microphone just to say a quick thing to the audience tonight. >> bobby isn't have free speech -- bobby is in town for a free speech. >> i think jamal and i after all those years were on the martin downey junior show or something stupid comes from from there and the film together, public enemy we did together.

>> they called me up about the show. when you talk about? felipe a dash i said martin downey junior? man, not come on the show. i said i came on the show and a duty stuck his finger at on my nose and i'm going to knock that dude up at a youth if you want to get some brains, he's going to get some rich. know, bobby. he's afraid you. i wound up doing that show three times. you and i, we are on the panel, blah, blah, blah. i got back from that, and jamal, ran into some of the people, public enemy, was just good to see this brother. i really love this brother and me, i love all my brothers and sisters, but and there's certain ones coming in the, really evolve, you know what i mean? in the context of all the oppression, the prisons, et cetera. anyway, power to the people, you

guys. >> power to the people, chairman bobby. thank you. >> in an effort to entertain all of your questions, to get in as many questions as possible, we would like you to have a mic but we would like you to ask a very specific question in the shortest way possible. and then we'll ask jamal to reply so we can get all your questions. so we have to mic's on both sides but just raise your hand or i will acknowledge you. the mic will come to you and you get a chance to ask your question. >> okay, jamal, i finished the book and it's an excellent book. i have a loaded question but it's quick. had they put out autobiographies or do they intend to? >> i know he is working on a book, and there's a book, were really it's a guidebook called evolution of the revolutionary. and if the conversation with her. but i think she will do a more

extensive memoir. her store is just fantastic. can i tell a quick story? i can't say enough about the strength of the women in the black panther party. and panthers know, but the world needs to know that there came a time when the black panther party was run by women. because of all that was happening, especially the local chapters. because of all those happen with her brothers been arrested and being killed, you'd walk into an office and the wind would outnumber the men, three to one or 41. they were in key leadership position. fannie and our out on bail on the panther 21 case and technically we are always most of somebody this. we went to the breakfast program one morning, probably the young panthers that were supposed to be there, they did make it. they did mattered we said about 50, 75 district i'm in the front mopping and fan is in the back in the back the church together. this lieutenant, this police,

about 25 cops come in with their guns drawn. and the guy at a central casting for being the police lieutenant, i talk about with the trenchcoat and the crumpled suit, and a shield and. he comes in and he looks around. he says what is this? and i said, it's a food program, a community program. and he goes, what kind of program but i look at although the cops and like i said earlier, i was a student, i did the black panther program. i said a committee for program defeated you in the committee. but i'm thinking this is a, they came to kill us. taken out of the back of she's not very tall. she is a -- she comes, as if this guy does not exist, as if these guns are not drawn, stands between me and his police lieutenant, looks up at me and she says jamal, don't say another word to him. i was stricken. i had my orders. i went back and started mopping.

i ignored them. fanny started cleaning it. he said is there a problem? and she can't write him and she said yeah, there's a proper the problem is i don't talk to police officers. never have, never will. turned her back. and he looked around, couldn't figure out what to do. he did like this, the cops put their guns away, and walked out. that's strength. [applause] >> did you ever see, did you ever run across out of got out of leavenworth? >> know, before. it's about that last time when we were beaten up and they brought, there brought in the cops to positively identify to an abstract to the chair, and you know, the trial was over. the 21 had been committed and i'm bloodied and my jaw is swollen shut. and he comes in to make a positive id. and he's got his gold detective shield an abstract to a chair like this and because, power to the people, jamal. and i look up and by now i knew his real name was ralph. and i said what's happening,

ralph? and he looked pretty beat up there, guy. at i.c.e. agent, your big buddies have been torturing me for the last 800 he says jamal, he says i know you hate me. he says i know you're going to get a lot of time. and just like, he says, i know you're going to get in top shape and you'll come out and hug that you had me down into but he said but that's okay. he said because i'm going to be training to and i'll be ready. and i had to do, it took this point on those little hatred, but at that moment, confronted, i turned my chair sites in because this side of my face was completely swollen shut. and i said ralph, i said, you're probably right. and going to get a lot of time. and i said, your death my that i'm going to be thinking about a lot of stuff. but i'm not going to waste a single solitary second thinking about you. >> a lot of literature i've read

the messages, they talk about male chauvinism and the sexism. they do talk about there at the forefront. and you address that. and if you have time address what geronimo talked about in the shooting at ucla that was really, you, that we need not really get into, that it was really a mixup, you know. not really a mixup, but one story. >> yes, those are two important and to tough questions. let me say, i think that on the issue of chauvinism within the black panther party, a lot of it also has to do with where you were. and so i can't deny any experience that he sister said that she had in the black panther party. but i have to say that in new york, at a lot of places on the east coast, like in boston where sister audrey was in charge, you know, when erika huggins was up in connecticut, and new york with sisters like fanny. we didn't have that. you know, the sisters struggle,

the sisters would call you on. the sisters would make brothers like him without we are too busy running around, come here, i have an assignment for you. what? hold the baby, changing diapers pix would have to with it. it everywhere where it was, sisters struggled to introduce this conversation in the black community that we didn't have before about sexism and male chauvinism. so not to deny any of the sisters, i would like and identify the question, but i would like to say this very clearly, and i'm proud to say it again tonight. the men of the black panther party taught me how to fight clearly. but it was the women of the black panther party that taught me how to be a man. [applause] >> we have a question right in the back. >> okay, i just have one question to ask you. what kind of, how can i put it? did the panthers have any means,

spiritual means of knowing traders in the ranks, informants in the ranks? did you all have any kind of spiritual means to know if someone was an informant, like they would check your brother or sister to see if they were an informant quick do you know what i'm saying? >> i do understand what you're saying, but, you know, in the early days, and this was true in new york, there was an open door policy to people, kind of joining the black panther party. ..

very hard to become a cancer. we had a national committee to combat fascism. you had to be a community worker. you had to be careful about 50 had a people's movement. community, what level of paranoia and -- versus what you are doing in the community. we always thought the best way to be safe was to be among the people doing good work because that was what was about. was not about our safety. the safety of the community. >> you were in prison and education, many people were in the room with kids who might be going to college or went to college and had to struggle to pay for their college.

what is your feeling about continuing to offer college to people in prison for free and people who were not in prison and had to pay a lot of money? >> it would be a better debate if those programs existed. they are cutting them now so much which is counterintuitive to all the studies that show the more education you get in prison, the lower the rate of recidivism and they are being cut by liberal politicians who usually like i am up against all this conservatism. and people they have not touched so i will get tough on crime. they get tough on poor black folks who the criminal justice system is not serving them anyway. that is one of the complications. another part of the conversation is we used to have to fill out program forms and those other forms of colleges figured out how to get money that was not

completely altruistic. outthrust everybody in prison works making $0.25 an hour. their labor was paying for that. there are all kinds of ways to pay for it but the sad truth is these programs have been cut so that you are taking up black and brown lawyers who are starting, growing up in prison. not because they were panthers. they're coming up all the way through the system and coming out may be realizing what grandma said that enough is enough. no education, no skills and all of the programs existing to help them, the vocational training programs, job programs. they have been cut so you are setting up a vicious cycle. lot of young men being part of

what michele alexander called the new plantation. >> do you think the movement was stronger with women being part of the black panther party? they you think the movement was made stronger because of the women in the movement? >> absolutely. no question that throughout our history from middle passage to now to all the things we have gone through that without the strength of our women that we would not be here period. that is certainly evident to me as a young man growing up in the movement. >> i was in line by the panther party being a student at temple university. i did favors to the colleague. i hope i'm pronouncing it right. i would like to know the status,

still exile in cuba and colleague still in prison. she is still exiled. >> and probably will be given the nature of what i talked-about us moving toward the right in terms of policy. when nelson mandela became president, sit down and listen. things happen on both sides. let's have a conversation so we can move over. most other industrialized civilized nations have a limit of the amount of time they keep people incarcerated. even if you are talking about people -- doing life in prison, has been in prison over 30 years. why can't we have a conversation about what was happening in

terms of the black liberation movement and what was going on and what we need to do to move forward, why those things would happen, truth and reconciliation hearings and move forward. >> last two questions of front. [talking over each other] >> i am a temple university double major in african-american studies. my intentions are to tell stories they don't want to hear or are too hard to hear. any advice for somebody like myself? >> be passionate about those stories and wind up with your classmates and other folks in the community who want to tell similar stories and understand

that they will get made if you make them. hollywood is just a bank and you want people to bring it to them. they tell their stories. they scrape together and tell folks -- tell it as a web series and attract money and use kickstart and all these other things to get those stories out there. don't wait for some executive in hollywood whose release scared because they are ruled by fear. the comic book movies, daring stories, interesting stories and let's do the next paranormal activity or the next one so be empowered to tell those stories. there is a quote chairman bobby has which are used in the book. when the panthers started the panthers them-he knew he had the

panthers carry shotguns and law books because those were the weapons of social change but they would still be patrolling the streets that they would be patrolling the streets with laptop computers because these of weapons of change today. >> this is not an accusatory questions and i'm in communication on and off and i would like to know is there any plan or make some plans to address that situation, from the new jersey proposal of 20 years, ten years. another hit from the parole board of 20 years. for me i have read somewhere that decisions of that parole board fat and most of the decisions were based on what he had to say which we all know is

if you are incarcerated you are protected. is it possible that we could begin to address these situations and bring some of your recognition and recognition of other individuals to address this situation? >> or -- >> the last question that we will wrap up. >> good evening. i would like to thank you. i am concerned about the black on black crime. what is your suggestion how to take the guns phosphorus -- the guns out of these young brothers's hand and put books in them? >> this is what i talked-about with this aggressive venturing being in the communities with folks -- what he is doing with

his foundation work similar to what i'm doing and nothing beats coming into those communities and folks that they respect spending time with them. fred hansen was able to turn the young gained -- the young lords gang into the political party. doing the same thing with a lot of other gangs. getting them to stop pointing guns at each other and putting them down in order to build community programs. at comes -- college is important. we have to work at that level but working day by day, my commitment to young people has been strong. i'm with them three days week. medved that is how you save lives and that is how you spark not only just adults, talking to

one another. that makes a true difference. >> as we wrap up this program i would like to answer part of your question. recently we had an anniversary in october of 2011 which was celebration of the black panther party. it is also coming out of what is now the national alumni association of the black panther party. we have a web site that is the national association and the black panther party. we have four to deal with. one of the key pillars is to address political prisoners. we have comrade's across the country who are still unjustly incarcerated. second issue is to address our young people in the final way to pass the time correctly is also -- talks about the legacy of this organization and tell our

story and develop a form that we can begin to engage ourselves in issues that are critical to people in our community and across the country. i would invite everyone to visit the web site which is a work in progress. we are only a one year organization. once you coming you are always in. when again i would like all of you to stand up. co-founder bobby seale is part of the board of the organization, stretch -- market shell. they are throughout the city and across the country. we are represented in 20 cities and we are moving forward so many of us have been serving a long time. i want to thank you all.

i want to invite all of you to join us upstairs. we can come up and get a chance and possibly get an autograph of your book. let's give our founder another big hand. [applause] >> once again welcome to philadelphia for those who are here for the first time and some who are not. >> for more information visit the author's website jamal joseph.com. >> here's a look at some books being published this week. in imagine would push new how creativity works, the science

behind our creative ability. carol stenson j.d. tells the life of one of the last with holocaust survivors in a century of wisdom, lessons from the life -- the world's oldest living holocaust survivor. in covenant of liberty, the ideological origins of the tea party movement tea party activist michael patrick leahy compares the origins of the boston tea party to the modern day tea party. richard palace examines the relationship between britain's first with -- woman prime minister margaret thatcher and president ronald reagan in reagan and thatcher bluejeans showdown:the inside story of how obama fought back against the tea party political journalist david koren offers an inside look at the decisions made by the obama administration. look for these titles in bookstores this coming we can watch for the authors in the near future on booktv. >> you are watching booktv. up next david rothkopf look that

the relationship between public and private power in the world that is this is different debts of capitalism. he is joined by hormats and daniel yergin. it is an hour and a half. >> good afternoon. via i m the editor of "foreign policy" and i'm delighted to welcome you to this sneak preview of david rothkopf's new book "power, inc.," the epic rivalry between big business and government and the reckoning that lies ahead. we're happy to see you here on a rainy afternoon. thank you for that. this should be a terrific -- the book does not come until march 1st. you are the debut audience and i am going to use the debut title among many titles and this is

probably the first public event in which i can introduce him not only as my friend and colleague at "foreign policy" where he has been riding a great blog for the last three years but as the ceo and editor at large so we are delighted not only to welcome you today but also to welcome -- it is the first case of a blocker turned ceo. his other title and the reason you are here today is author as well. this is not by any means his first book but the latest in a long string of great hits and in recent years he has written superclass:the world power elite and the world they're making and running the world:the inside story of the national security council and architect of american power which the new york times called the definitive history of the national security council. i am sure when reviews are written of "power, inc." they

will include similarly accolades. for the meantime today i will hear directly from david on the book which in the boiler was called -- a subject that was more commanded headlines and deserves the kind of centuries long history devoted to chronicling the tug-of-war between big business and big government, small-business and small government and all the variations. what is going to happen today is we will hear from david about the book and we will have a panel discussion with an all-star cast. i will leave it at that and welcome you this afternoon. congratulations. [applause] >> thank you very much for the

double welcome for everybody. in addition to my work here at carnegie it is a great opportunity. given the weather, vigorously in washington, they immediately shut down the school system, montgomerie people were calling me and children were rushed from school, they are slightly moist. none of you are at risk for coming. thank you for coming to join us. let's talk for ten minutes. and we get into questions and answers. and good-looking and hearty group.

it is also something that we would welcome. i am going to stay at the high level, we don't have a great deal of time. the subtitle of the book is the epic rivalry between big business and the reckoning that lies ahead. that tells you all you need to know. that gives you the overarching theme of the book. perspective you might not pick up on or assume with in the book given one of the most important that i have taken away. procrastination pays. mitt romney would not be making a big story, it means 99% occupy

wall street, european capitalism in crisis, american capitalism in crisis. this is the current issue of the economist. none of that would have happened. i recognize, and 5 watched one more sitcom when this book came out it would be timely and that is what happened here by accident. the origin of the book that just finished called superbugs, that was done pretty well now, about the 1% of the 1% of the 1%. i just finished it and one of the things that struck me is about the most powerful people in the world. most of the ones that really were powerful were powerful because they were associated

with being private organizations. it was the rising power of those organizations and the ways that that power had arisen in ways that defied what we were talking graduate school and undergraduate schools and the way we think of the world, players have gotten so big that it really amounted to a game changer in the way international relations took place. i was interested in why that happened and what fueled it and where it might lead. there's one other reason i wrote this book which is substantive and i see another colleague of mine from the clinton administration. i was part of a group of people almost pounding the table. i was at the front lines of people saying free trade was the solution to everything.

we overdid it. we overstated it. we understated the dislocation caused by that. we understated some of the knock on effects that have actually caused some pain. that is not to say trade liberalization is a good thing. not to say free-market farm better than controlled markets. we have gone too far. one of the things i wanted to understand is were there other models catching on? were there other models working better than the models that we were pursuing? there are lots of models. that is one of the corps conclusions of the book. having said that i would like to sort of take the remaining sort of ten minutes i have got here and focus briefly on a couple of kind of myth busting ideas that

are within the book that are things that you may want to think about. the first of these is what is new is not new. this book seems very timely because susan told you it was timely and in so doing when she was quoting anne-marie slaughter and they write about -- it is not a resident story simply because it is a timely story. it is a resonant story because it is a 1,000-year-old story. one of the thing the book does is includes facts on the origin of the struggle between public and private power and that story goes back shofar that you see it as the immediate successor to the prior power struggle between church and state which was a struggle between one approach to

the distribution of power and economics and another and produced the first --big backlash against globalization. the catholic church was the first global organization and reformation with a bunch of nation states saying we want to take our power back within our borders and that represents something that presages our time and if you look through history you find other things that presage the issues of our time pushed back against political power being coopted by private power that echoes today's headlines almost exactly. if you go back to the south sea island bubble in the beginning of the eighteenth century in england and thick of the british newspapers which read very much like the one ed work for now. change some of the letters. the reality is the argument that

government has been coopted by big corporate interests, people in the government own shares in this big company, they were bailing out the company, these are the same arguments we have today. some of the push back against megacorporations came from places you wouldn't expect them to come from. this leads to the second myth buster which is history is fact. i will give you a couple examples. some of the people that we are taught about as the architects of the world as we see it, john locke and adam smith and people like that were not exactly just like our modern day -- there was no ronald reagan like ronald reagan we talk about. there was no john kennedy like the john kennedy we talk about. adam smith was against big

megacorporations. even though fundamentalist capitalists today follow the book by adam smith. he railed against overconcentration of power. john locke, one of the champions of our personal liberties at the same time he was championing personal liberty was involved in regulating the slave trade and participating and profiting from the slave trade in the u.k.. and self interest guides in each of these. of our view is democracy began in rome and greece and if you go back to the very first corp. still in existence in the west back in the day with a copper mine in sweden. if you go back and dig around where the copper mines were digging around you find a lot of the original ideas of democracy and the way society ought to be

organized that we have or originated not in southern europe but in northern europe just as i think a lot of ideas about where the future of capitalism will develop will not be along the lines of the heavy-handed and irresponsible state dominated capitalism of southern europe but more of a hybrid capitalism with strong respect for the private sector you are seeing in parts of asia. there are a couple of other things. corporations are new and megacorporations are new and they are not. another is -- this brings us into the current issue. the corporation are people. corporations are not people. they were not intended to be people. the first work conceived to serve the state. to provide mechanisms by which states could trade and build up

their treasury. it was particularly after the advent of the u.s. and beginning of the investor revolution that we began to see that more things took place in a series of legal cases in the united states more than anyplace else so dartmouth college early in the nineteenth century which said once the corporation was branded its rights it could keep going and broke the mold. the fourteenth amendment which was originally passed in order to assure equal protection under the law for african-americans and others would use more than half the time in its first several decades of existence to ensure that corporations have equal protection under the law to the point that it was the cried as -- it has led us all the way to citizens united which is something we might talk about in the course of this discussion. another of the myths and i will wrap this up in a second is sovereignty is best protected

through the nation for. there have been lots of times--one of the things we see today is we enter a global era and the global frats and it has become increasingly difficult for nation states to meet their obligations under the social contract. and do you has -- to preserve sovereignty and share among countries to do things on a global level. there is another myth of the day, which we talk about here. and you hear it in more mainstream setting. that is where