it was andrew harris, the boy who i had taught sunday school with three years earlier had driven down from west point, new york, with his dad to come and see me. and i don't know if i knew that day or in the days to come that the impact that i had made on ..

picture of columbia university where she graduates cool. and long ago, i had a friend at new line cinema, sort of a big company, makes big movies. i was saying to her one day is working on this movie about the black panthers and i was doing this research may really wanted to talk to someone. she said well, i'm working with this fabulous screenwriter. she loves the work is man dead and she said he's just incredible and you should talk to him. and i thought that is so odd. i didn't understand. was he a black panther? a friend, it seemed very separate things. a screenwriter for hollywood company and not panther.

i was my first meeting with jamaal. i found him to be incredibly soft-spoken and gentle man. i think who is in many ways one of the first time that i sort of saw an african-american who really was working in hollywood and writing movies. and i thought that was really far more amazing that he actually lived this history, that i really admire so much. and from then on we sort of knew each other. and i think that probably something that a big most amazing about 10 and about his experiences that, when i went to him about a year ago and wanted to get some photographs from him to use for our project, i

remember asking, do you have anything you could land me, it any latter is? and he said i don't have any name. when i was a young man -- he think he was about 16 and i have to go underground and we dumped everything. and i thought, that is to be so profound that he was such a young man and he had to kind of destroyed the sort of your life that he had an order to hide. and i found it very heartening and i think in a lot of ways though he knew his history, that moment has always stuck with me. so i'm really very, very happy to introduce this amazing writer and here he is, jamal joseph.

[applause] >> thank you so much. good evening. i'm going to just acknowledge the philadelphia free library and add publicist has been working hard and all of the panthers -- we don't see 5:00 p.m. there's your greasy panther alumni. who in the house, reggie shell was the leader of the philadelphia chapter. reggie shell, we have to give him a big round of applause. [applause] sister b.c. as he call her, barbara crocs from philadelphia who was from marshall, whenever

she was from new york -- i were when you in new york either at the heart of our bronx and how you take the young panthers because we were always hungry and big feet definitely go to a restaurant and give you some chicken and walters and fish and grits. and we remember brother sultana man who is going to help at the q&a later. but can i have all of the alum stan police? out the panthers out tonight, please stand. luscious give them a round of applause. [applause] i apologize a little bit. i am working with this only -- with a slight fever. i thought motherhood i have a

little kidney infection, so his son to her and went to l.a. and seattle and then from seattle got really sick in boise, idaho and that i had the flu and the doctor diagnosed it. so you will see me mop down a little bit. such a great conversation we've been having not only about my experiences, but how young people got involved and how we relate to today. and what we could be doing today. and that one a few sound like a 60s curious, but i had a nightmare that night when i found out i was strapped to a hospital bed dennis schnittker hoover with a big syringe in the lab coat laughing. finally got you, jamaal. my journey into the black panther party started before i became a panther. i think what i would like to do is just read a little passage

from the book and then show you how i happened to walk into the office and how that day changed my life. this is chapter three of the book. and it is called finding the panther layer. i walked into a panther office in brooklyn on september 1968. wait a minute -- wait a minute. i meant to say the best for last, but not until the end of the program. fisherman barbour here? yes, chairman bobby seale, founder of the plot inter partes in the house. chairman bobby, please stand up. [applause] i knew i say that, but then i started reading. i didn't mean to do that if you do the program pretty much nobody steals in the house and book a chance during the q&a to type to the chairman as well.

i walked into the panther office in brooklyn in september 1968. dr. king has been assassinated in april of that year, rights and anger flat and to get osama country. the feeling on the street was it was about to hit the fan. hating whitey was the hip thing to do. from street corners to campus rallies, what he had been gone from being the man to the peace. young black students were trading in their feel-good motown records for the recorded speeches of malcolm x and the angry jazz recordings that are not colburn. i went down to 125th street in harlem that night, tonight dr. king king was assassinated. overturning cars sitting trashcan fires and hurling bricks and businesses.

intakes close appliances and whatever else they can carry. not everyone else alluded in fact. most of the crowd continued to do see the king is dead and black power and it was enough for the cops to swing clubs, shoot their pistols and make arrests. before he could handcuff me and put me into the paddy wagon, a group of writers across the street from the police car over to the cop told me to stay put and ran towards the writers. i was scared, but i wasn't. i took a front in the opposite direction. i blend in with the group of writers who try to figure out which way to go. a group of cops headed toward us. some writers ran into a clothing store those be booted. i followed. the cops swung clubs and made arrests. my heart pounded as they read into the back of the store and from the back door leading to an

alley. i gasp for air as i ran down the alley and was stopped by with a. the cop came into the alley. caulfield. richer handset. in my mind i froze, put my hands in the air and turned around and faced the cops with tears in my eyes. but my body kept hauling. i grabbed a fence and scurried over the top like a scared alleycat. two shots rang out. once landed nearby but. this gave me the theater not pushing it to flip over the fence come and pick myself up off the ground and scramble out of the alley. when it turned out onto the street i kept running from a bypass to other cops who tried to grab me. but i away, turning the corner and almost collided with a group of 20 or so black men in leather coats and army food teat jackets wearing astros and braves, standing on the corner in a military like formation. stop whining and brother. one of the men said don't give

these paints an excuse to gun you down. i doubled over comic e-zine, trying to catch my breath. i didn't know this man, but his voice sounded like a light rap of confidence in the sea of chaos. moments later to cops ran around the corner. they stopped in her tracks when they saw the militant men. they close ranks around me. what are you doing with the cops demanded? move aside here the black man with tinted glasses didn't flinch. were exercising our constitutional right to free assembly, making sure no innocent people get killed out here tonight. we are chasing looters the cop reported. the looters here. as you can see, we are disciplined community patrol. you have gone with the cop asked with a tinge of fear in this voice? that's what you see the man with tinted glasses replied. i said we were exercising their constitutional rights. the cops took the discipline of the group for a moment and won't

away. at a time i caught my breath i was speechless. by that time i caught my breath, but i was speechless from what i've just seen. black men standing on the cops. go straight home and brother the man with the tinted glasses said. the pigs are looking for an excuse to murder black folks tonight. with that, the black man walked on. i scooted down to the subway and headed home. when they entered the apartment, grandma was sitting on the couch watching images of dr. king on tv. tears fell from her eyes. she didn't even ask for them, which was the usual sense i was about two hours late getting home. i sat next to her, put my arm around her only watch tv reports of the assassination. before that i just want to say a little bit about the 60 in cuba

and my mother was a graduate student i announced my grandmother that she was pregnant that broken up by my grandmother touched a little bit more about who the father was and when she found out that he was a young revolutionary who was hanging around with the likes of fidel and raul castro, mom got put on the first plane to new york city. and in cuba, she had been a graduate student in on her way to be a doctor, but when she showed up in new york city, she was a young black woman who couldn't speak english. she spoke spanish and she spoke french and her friend told her about a loving place where they took kids and so she put me there for what she thought was a temporary stay, but wound up being my early childhood and adolescent home. maybe grandma and papa took me

and when they were quite old and their parents of older brothers and sisters had been slaves. so i grew up hearing stories about in america where you didn't look away person in the eye if you are black coming down the street. in fact, if they run a sidewalk, you got into the gutter a matter for screening, buddy, how will to work on the sidewalk along to them. i heard about the ku klux klan and lynching and about jim crow as first-person reports. they saw cross burnings and lost relatives to lynchings. with that, they were working-class people, nearly workers or domestic, paul baltimore with his lever and they had been curvy ice in the 20s. the chewing the join the naacp youth council. i had a sense of what was going

on. when i was about 12 years old, there was this thing of wanting to be a man. and then got to king was killed and i was enraged, angry. to the day after this i went to school and on the fringes coming in now, on television you with the sophie carmichael and you hate href brown and bobby seale and you read newton in the news described them as the black militants and of course sophie was talking about black power. and i want a backup to because all of my lessons in black history don't want you to think it was over the dinner table with books spread out. paul was a working man and he was a good cussing and and he

was one when they call call thursday is a race man. so that if they would be as simple as we're watching television. the old black-and-white tv, tarzan movie would come on. johnny white's mother was swing across the screen, doing the tarzan yell and then he would speak his language in the line to go here and the elephants here and the monkeys here and paul would be looking at that and after five minutes he was go what the is that? do you tell me how in a cracker baby could fall out of an airplane, grow up, the africans look like they're crazy. boy, change the channel. it was living history. then i would switch in harry reid -- arm of the first time seeing a young harry reasoner pen he was giving some editorial, a think about the space program and he was going on and on and been very educated and a young bright man and he says use a line onion had to

crack up. change the channel boy. so is living history. plus i could use some of that stuff in the schoolyard hurts when the militants came on, not only were there challenging the power structure in a different way, and away we hadn't seen in a move that, they were flying again sophia was talking about black power, but i remember one news report they covered him getting out of jail and standing on the courthouse steps. he said i want you to listen. if you thought i wrestle with god, wait until you see my atom bomb. he was crazy. he was bad. i announced my friends and i was a hallway monitor, so i sat with a certain group of guys and i announced to them as clear as day that i., abby joseph going

to be a black militant and one to my friends, a white kid, jewish kid looks up at me and says eddie, i don't know if you could look at lack militant as a career choice. echo you're going to be a doctor or lawyer. i said no, you watch. then i had as much to prove to paulus myself to find the most militant organization in the same. and believe me, i didn't really know what was going on. and so, the reason to look at organization and rejected just on the surface level. it was like a black muslim. i don't really bowties, plus grandma meets makes a mean bacon. and then they ran a news report, talking about the rising militancy in america. it was a story about the black panther party. and they ran the footage were

chancellors led by chairman bobby storm the estate chance of sacramento. and for folks who don't know the pain of her started patrolling the streets of oakland, california shotguns and forcing one of the arts points for the 10-point program. i want to get to that later, but it is legal to carry guns in california never to make it clear that the other painters who joins understood the right to bear arms would follow and be automatically have the money and if not they were young lawyers and legal volunteers to help get people out. but i ain't seen these black men with guns. so california responds by saying yes, the losses you can carry weapons if they are not concealed. but when we wrote that law, we didn't mean black ice with leather coats underrate.

so they quickly move the laws and the pinkish as one of bystrom inhering and it made national news and i'm looking at the sun grandma's black-and-white tv and seeing the panthers from the legislature going they're crazy. they've got guns. they're crazy. the power of the legislature is the white man's decking under their seats for cover on the panthers coming out and chairman bobby reid about the constitutional right to bear arms and we have to defend ourselves because the police are not defending our communities. and the reporter says the ultra- militant at panther party. he says stop their cars and he found more guns and communist literature. he said they're so crazy. he said they've got guns. i'm joining not one. because you're a kid. you want to be with the roughest and toughest.

there was then a panther river he was yet there was two of my older friends had found the secret headquarters of the black panther party and anyone who knows, knows that her offices and community centers for anything a secret, but we had found the secret headquarters and it was like a two-hour subway right to get here. as we were writing, not having any real information, the guys are trying to seek each other out, namely me because they thought if i jumped off the train they had to go get me. so when failings over to me and he goes, you know this is serious, right? in other panthers is like the mafia. once you join there's no getting out. there's no getting out? but i can't be a punk in front of my boy, so i spread my skinny little shoulders and what i don't care. the other guy leans over and says you know the plant or stop playwright. in effect to kill mica to be a

panther? and i might kill somebody? i can't be appointed for my boy. i know care. get it as close to it right. you have to kill a way to. he says he got to kill a white car. and you've got to bring in his badge and a gun. i don't care. we get to the panther office and the black panther party, sign on the outside of me, in the back and a sitdown and brothers and sisters have a leather coats in the army fatigue jacket and somehow berets and some of the sisters have their heads wrapped them up front the person who is running a meeting with the information lieutenant and his explaining the panther 10-point program. now, if you've read this was is written october 1966. if you read this document that was written 45 years ago, the thing is that it's brilliant.

sadly he could've been written two years ago. we'll talk about that a second because a lot of those points have not been addressed. but you know, the points are things like we want freedom and power to determine our community. we want full employment for people in our community. decent housing, shelter for human beings. nothing about killing a white dude, nothing about bringing the cops badge. am i hearing this? i'm having my own internal conversation. and i think the predicates to point number five, which is about education. it's our true history and the true nature of my job. choose me brother because i'll kill a white dude right now. the whole meme stops. humbler tennis has come here, young brother. i cannot any sitting behind a wooden desk in my heart is

pounding. i look at them and he's going to give me a big ask god. any hint of stack of books. autobiography of malcolm x, famous little red, quotations and i was thinking i played hooky to come here. this must be a test. he's checking me out to see they can really be a panther and get my gun today. 15 euros brothers and sisters on this skinny. i have a jackson five afro and my voice hadn't quite change data. not only that, but the voice sounded a lot like michael jackson. i cleared my throat, for some bass in my voice and i said, excuse me, brother. i thought you were going to armenia. and he said, excuse me, young brother. i just did.

and as i'm walking back to my seat, he says young brother, let me ask you a question because they're talking about killing white folks. he said all of these costs, the racist pigs in the community or murdering people or gunning them down like dogs, if all of them were black and the people being killed and brutalized roy, he said all of these store owners were gripping the community off would hide with rock me to spoil vegetables, if all of them were black and the people being ripped off her white face of the demo gorgeous. , crooked politicians, if all of them were black and the people being exploited and oppressed weight, would that make things correct? in this tomato soup with my brain and i said no, brother, seems like that would be wrong. and for the first chinese man

and said that's rate. he said this is a class struggle for human rights. study those books so you understand what the revolution is about. i to tell that story because two of the notions people had about the black panther party will look back and say it was a fine organization that just hated white people. and i was disabused to both of those things that very first day. and if i was leaving the office, next to the posters of malcolm max, there is this poster at how this quote. and it is a quote that has since come to understand that we could live by in the movement. and it was taken from his speech he'd given a few years later and sat at the risk of sounding ridiculous, let me say that revolutionaries are guided a great feeling of love.

and that became clear to me, made clear the route would be my work. community programs, breakfast programs, food giveaways, that was the work. and i wanted to go all the time. and if i'd were, were you going? school. >> basketball practice. >> but you're not on the team. >> i made it. spin that clean your room, boy. and finally, a grandma gets tired of our grandparents do. she went to straighten out my room. hidden under my bed between the marchers and the boxspring to solve the panther literature. and i came home from school that night are probably from a meeting or some community service that night a grandma hummed the kitchen table stacked with panther papers and other literature and she had in the middle of the bible and she had the straps used to beat me with.

that was the mafia altered. and if you see the artwork of emory douglas, imagine how this is to a woman who had been born a slave, you know what i mean, seeing cops portrayed as pigs with flies buzzing around their head, african schoolchildren, books on one hand. that's cool, they're going to school. ak-47 on the other shoulder. nikon nni stop cold and she said her way, what is this? is a grandma, you listening room. she said don't you even start page because i don't know what i'm going to bless you with this belt or kill you with this bible. but you are not going that they are. so you know, i pleaded and tried to explain, but already at this point should be seen on the news every day that panthers were being arrested and panthers are being killed. so being the grandson i was i had to go one more time.

so in front of the panther office, hours of tennis that i can't come back anymore because grandma likes to brainwash uncle tom and she can't let me go. and it's like she was the superhero leaping over a car into my chest and she said never, ever talk about your grandmother like that. she said because she was just loving you the best way she knows how. and you needed to be more bull about all of this people may section leader came to speak to her. he was so because the crazy by there, but he made sure i knew my 10-point program and reported to community service and conducted myself as a young panther, even the right way to hit on a panther girl. he fights them all, you're panther now. you can't be talking about what is happening, baby? panther women don't want to hear that stuff now.

[laughter] and when you said -- when i say, how you doing? i'm just really exhausted. i'm worn out. i was up this morning at the breakfast program and organizing a mass of the health clinic helping out and i didn't community patrols come up in the senior citizens get hall in a sun security worn out. but it's okay because i'm struggling for the people. excuse me, let me try to keep my eyes open over here. then i say well, brother, you know, you're so tired, but it should come by. we made a little dinner. that's a panther women want to hear. so he came to my house but he had taken on the buttons off. he had a tie on. i didn't even know we were allowed to wear ties. and he sits down and he speaks to her and says another baltimore. the name is made baltimore and he called her mother bought her. right now she gets some points

because he's a mother in the church. if you say i.d. can't come back to the panther office county says man, i have to listen to that. we have to listen to that because he's your grandmother. you tell me to do something right now, i have to do it. he said, but i know he's not doing everything he is supposed to do. and if you don't mind, whether he can come back or not i'd like to keep an eye on him. man, if you say his curfew is 10:00 if he doesn't walk enough at 9:45, i will take office cares about buckling because by. and i'm sitting on the site going, is not part of -- what are you doing? you signing up to beat me with grandma. you're supposed to come be a panther, you know? he said ma'am, i know he could be doing better in school. if you want him to bring you an 85 on the next algebra test or 95, i will take precise 13 combat boots and give them a swift kick in the. and grandma listened, not show

shouldn't expect dean. she said well, your mind is made up. but you seem like nice man. his granddaddy passed away. if you keep an eye on him and make sure he does what he supposed to do around the house and church and everything, i'll let him go back. and so the radio went back and morag dave, but need to be more conscious of what i had to do to take care of grandma. five weeks later, and a full team, we would call them a s.w.a.t team, but they were called tactical tetreault force kicked in the door for the morning. i just turned may take me out in handcuffs and chains that became the panther 21 case. and the number 21 is because the district attorney in new york,

mr. hogan was going to solve this panther problems a little bit differently. you know, they were attacking cancer offices all around the country des moines, iowa, or offices were blown up. sure in philadelphia, the office was raided in the panthers are made to stand in the cold for hours and hours. of course in chicago, fred hampton was murdered in his sleep. but he was going to bickley. the number 21 represented anyone in a leadership position in the black and their party. and although it is the youngest, i was always around and i was a good student and hard worker and i became head of all the high school cadres. so my name came out. forgetting all the leadership. we didn't know what it meant, what are conspiracy case men. of all i got to court for bail was set at $100,000. that's a lot of number today. imagine what that was in 1969.

so we were sent to a different prison and this time anon, the lawyers fought under the rule of discovery to find out what this case was about. the heart and soul of the case was made by undercover cops who are part of an elite unit called the bossiness, the bureau special services. then went to boston that cops was a man named jean robert, who was the nation of islam who left with no commander with it was some outcome that bodyguard. in fact if you read away where malcolm was assassinated. you can go online and see pictures of moment after he was shot at getting malcolm out at resuscitation. batman was jean robbins. malcolm drew his last breath from an undercover cop. use those credentials to join the black panther party and in fact became the security officer. the other person is part of the elite unit was my mentor, he wants her dead.

he came in, used the military.com, but always was the crazy panther. he was a person have attacked about organizing a unit that was having problems with the landlord, it would lynch strike and shut tenants how to take the money and make repairs and fixed the boiler and do some things and hold the money in escrow. he would be like, where does the landlord with? is fine over his mansion in a single burn it down. and of course the young brothers are like yeah, but if that person who is aggressive, the person who's telling you i know where they get the dynamite, know what they get the gun, he was the agent. he was the informant. so there was the journey of the panther 21 case. there is coming out of prison and then becoming a spokesperson for the panther 21 and thereby

one of the spokesperson called the black panther party. there is a return to prison for shutting down drug houses in holland is the drug epidemic in harlem was in chicago as it was like the drug dealers were at team with impunity, blocks and blocks of addicts would line up was like an open-air are met. we were seeing kids 12, 11, 10 years old buying drugs and going off into one of the abandoned building for dean. so we begin to shut those down by force. and finally, there was the longest end, which was this day in federal prison, where we met an old prisoner who gave me some great advice. it was good advice for being in prison. he said youngblood, you can serve this here time we can let

this here time to serve you and at that time, you could get into the college program to the university of kansas and i dived in, read everything i could and was able to earn to decrease from ku, the university of kansas. it is also where you have the power of creative arts because i done someplace that evolved in the brother came and said yeah, you are part of the panther things up there. i said yeah. he said yeah, you taught karate and arts a tear. the outcome of people know that. they said he did the place instead of coming to you, brother? said how did they know that? and i said yet they can't watch away. i was like man, did i violate the rule? ipod myself quite so in any event, the the library. this one but play, but it was reasoning in the sun. so i wrote to play -- they had

women characters. the only play i found was raised in msn. they said it's cool. just look around and pick him to do but put a dress on him. so i wrote a play and we were rehearsing it with some of the black residents than an to the rehearsal comes the leader of the latino crew and his right hand. and these are some tough brothers. they killed to cover prisoners since they had been in jail and a con man said, we'll think they left their turf. what are we here to do? and the leader, rafael is looking like he's really upset and getting madder and madder after 10 minutes he looks and points right at me and it's like your essay, let me speak to you. i'm a kerry comes. and if this is a bad idea. he said we heard a rumor about what you're doing. i'm going to tell you something.

you listening you listen to. that guy you're working with, he's not killing us. very. [laughter] i said rafael khaleda chu comment? he got in and he was great. another black history month play became a latin month history play. so white guy, 220 pounds, bodybuilder, but out comes up and comes back to our savior. i was guy surrounded, white supremacists, bankers, bikers, bank robberies. they said you enough that the black and latino guys. he said he had. they said well, what was the doing? he said a play. it's about what did she do about it? he said well, they gave me a part. [laughter] we became the only diverse group, the multicultural group and were able to use the

conversation to talk about those things i learned 15 years ago in the panther party, to talk about class drug, to talk about that depression in this country as a business that african slaves didn't happen because white folks didn't like black folks, but because he was an abundant pool of labor. the first place in this country were indentured servants, but there is an expiration date, their time would run out. they would be free. then you have native american said no, we live here. i don't think so. see how this abundant pool of labor and racism that became the marketing strategy for oppression. and from then until now, from the founding fathers, from the first stock being traded on wall street and from the first fortunes that were made by insurance companies to ensure the slave trade, we're dealing with depression is business. and what happened in movies, what happened to malcolm x set

the time he's attacking a base in economics, would have been to dr. king and the black panther party of the black at the party said this is about class in economics and when we say all power to the people, we do need power to all folks, white powered by people read power to read people, k-kilo power to yellow people. when you have that conversation, the state will attack him in a stable oppress and do anything they can to destroy. so excitement about what is going on today with college campuses and with the occupying movement, excitement about, you know, about people taking to the streets. but i like to remind them about what we did hit we took the streets, but we took it back to the community. we've learned from people like chairman barbie bobby that you bobby thatcher to organize people around their needs and we learned that from the civil rights movement to rid the community always, feeding

people, helping people and creating non-understanding. fast-forward to the work that i did was impact repertory theatre on arts and activism come impelling of people through the years, the leading them as have their voices heard about what's going on and when you combine an activist and artist, we like to call it an artist. at columbia university where he a professor for 14 years. as a young panther would go on campus and the students would take over the campus in protest of the war, columbia was a hotbed that had the the panther is abroad, but neither should the panthers what kind of clothes that show. as a young panther i knew my job was to get the crowd on fire. i would give his speech that goes something like others and sisters, if columbia doesn't recognize the war in vietnam is a war and they don't recognize

the united states military does not apply in vietnam the way to new york city occupies holland business campus, brothers and sisters they need to do more than take this campus over today. you need to burn the place down. students of course we cheer. fast forward 40 years and i'm working towards a class. the alma mater suet set up the statue in the center of campus when i hear someone go and there's no students around us. a little chilly out. i take another step and i have a cup and it statute, the same statute blindfold with the north pekingese flag with spray paint and she would look in professor joseph. i remember when he wanted to burn the place down. who knew alma mater could speak. who knew she was black.

thank you. [applause] we are going to the q&a. and while they are setting up, due out this moderate the q&a is philadelphia's own ipod, who for 23 years that public administration work within the structures of public policy and the government right here in philadelphia. he and his wife founded and serves as president of this full-time jihads bockman foundation, which he created in honor of his son who was killed again fire when he was 15 years old. it was a 15-year-old shot by a 16-year-old with a gun owned by a 17-year-old. in their way of morning was in

the true spirit of the panther party was to fight back on behalf of all of our young people and to create a really dynamic foundation that is doing education and job counseling out lots of magnificent work. so please, welcome brother zoltan to this stage. [applause] >> good evening, everyone. first, brother jamal, let me ask you a quick question. but all you've been through it the panther party, but would you describe were how would you describe the impact of all of that? janel, the thing that is the most impactful that i think informs what i do it this idea of love and service.

ask any panther it's kind of a loaded question, that in the future if you meet someone who is in the panther party. and by the way, chairman bobby and i laugh about this. if all the people who said they were panthers are really there, we would've had about 100,000 members. you know it or hate we would've had 7000 or 10,000 members. but what i do say is look at their eyes when a child is in the room or when an elders in the room. and if you see real love affair, if they weren't in the panther party maybe they were there, but if you asked them, there was a big event at columbia university and cornell west is on the program in a few of the academic senate is on the program. and i said panthers will tell you that we were taught to have an undying love for the people what they would say that the people mind, body and soul because that's what gets you

going. that's what gets you up to 4:00 in the morning with their own apartments is freezing. think because we were panthers fans special housing for us. here's some heat, you know. we were dealing with the rats and roaches that broken water. it makes you get up in your cold, cold, and go across town to feed kids that are not your kids. when you're exhausted at the end of the day they get off the bus or your car to help an elderly person with their packages that a seven floor walk. and by the way, at 12:00 midnight when you're going to get three or four hours sleep we were lucky to get, it is what makes you get back off that lesson stand between a cop who was their guns drawn and a person who's up against the wall that you haven't met before, to put yourself in harms way because you understand i haven't met them. but they are my brother or sister in undying love. one brother mir causing from prison and i said this earlier. the students have a question for

you. one of the masses that but we taught to believe above all things? and he says of the people serve the people. >> great question. give a big hand. come on, don't be shy. as brother jamal joseph talked about comets 45 years later, but there's conditions that still exist in the 10-point plan and the programmer need to address. if you have one point that would qualify conditions today they need to be correct date, which one would you use? >> all of them. i know that's a blanket answer, but the other thing i like to talk about, that we had a point where talked about and that all black men and women are released from federal state county in prisons and jails before they have not had a fair trial. and when i was in prison, growing up in prison, the united

states is number three and the amount of people they had locked up behind the soviet union and south africa. about four come in maybe 5000 people. now we are undisputed number one. 200 plus million people ought to. slave wages but it's legal. slavery is not legal, but it's legal to lock someone up because these prisoners make furniture coming uniforms, t-shirts for the navy. use profits, black and brown board, schools that are being examined coming out come the people in prison industries that are in fourth grade reading scores to find out how many prisoners to build. those programs i talked about that existed when i was in prison to an existing mark. college educations don't exist anymore. we have to create roadblocks to

jail and pathway studio for these young men. when you have a statistic that says one in four to graduate from high school might wind up in college, but one in three are guaranteed to be imprisoned, we have work to do. and it's the work that you're doing, work that i'm trying to do with the young people that are being there for them, not just demonstrating. because think of this, please. there's too many people locked up, how many children of prisoners are in that cycle where their grandparents, their fathering of them are destined for president? we need to be on the ground mentoring them and that his programs. but close. that's if you can't do anything else, take them to get a slice of pizza, hot tub to shoot some hoops. that stuff matters. i had this quote when i was young. she said here's the thing about parenting and mentoring. you don't have to be perfect, but please be available. >> before i do that, once again i want to take proper

recognition of the founder, the black panther party. >> i think it would be remiss -- i think you would be remiss if we didn't give chairman bobby the microphone, just use a quick thing to audience. >> body is in town for a speaking engagement tomorrow. but here it is a jamal joseph here and couldn't miss. >> act jamaal and i probably ran into each other on the martin junior showed. speenine it was from there until together public enemy. >> luciana called me up about the show. >> philippi was a young workers party. i said i'm not coming on that show. i came on the show not to step

his finger up my nose. i'm going to knock them out. he wants to really get done they said no, you scared of you. so anyway, i wound up doing the show three times. and you and i were on a panel, so i got back with that and then jamaal ran into some other people about public enemy and it is just good to see his brother. i love all my brothers and sisters, but there are certain ones who really evolved, you know what they mean? in the context of all of the oppression. anyway, >> thank you. >> in an effort to entertain all of your questions and give them as many questions as possible, would like you to have a make a

memo last jamaal to reply so we can get all the questions. so we have to make some both sides. searches raise your hand. i look knowledge you. the michael kahn to you and you will get a chance to ask your question. >> okay, jamaal. i finished the book and it's an excellent vote. have they put out autobiographies or did they invent them? >> i know the group was working on a book and he has a book called -- it's really a jasmine guide book called evolution of a revolutionary and it's a conversation with her and with the fanny, but i think is going to do a more extensive memoir. her story is just fantastic. >> i can't say enough about the strength of the women in the black panther party.

and panthers, no. but the world needs to know that there came a time when the black panther party was run by women because of all that was happening, especially the local chapters because all that was happening was being arrested and killed. you walk into the office and they were in key leadership positions. we are out on bail in the panther 21 case and technically were only supposed to have somebody with the spirit we went to the breakfast program one morning, probably the young panthers response to be retired. didn't matter. we fed the kids. we were cleaning up and i'm in the front and it did in the back of the church basement together and this lieutenant were about 25 cops come in with their guns drawn. and this guy was being the first attendant. contact him at the trenchcoat and the shield had become thin looks around and say what is

this? i said, if a food program, community program. and he goes, what kind of program? i look at all the cops and like i said earlier, i says the community food program coming to feed the children in the community. i'm digging for myself, this is the. danny comes out of the bath. she's not very tall. she's about four, five years old. she calms as if this guy does not exist, as it these guns are not drawn, stands between me and looks up at me up at manchester mall, shema, don't say another word. i was straight then. i had my orders. i ignored him and started cleaning up and you can see the photos show can set his or her problem? she turned right and said yeah, there's a problem. i don't have to police officers. never have, never will. turn her back. he looked around, couldn't figure out what to do. he did like this.

the cops but their guns away and walked out. >> did you ever run across after you got out of leavenworth? >> it's in the book the last time when we were being beaten up and they brought in the cops to positively identify us. an abstract to the chair in the try was over. the 21 had been committed and i am bloodied and my jaw is swollen shut and gateway comes in to make a positive i.d. and he's got his golden ticket and abstract to a chair like this and because power to the people, jamal. and his real name was ralph. i said what's happening, ralph? he says you look pretty beat up there, guy. he said your buddies have been torturing me for the last eight hours. he says i know you hate me. he says and i know you're going to get a lot of time. and he says, you're going to get

out, hunt me down and kill me. he said, but that's okay because i'm going to be training, too. and i'll be ready. and i have to admit until this point in time, but at that moment confronted with a turn my chair so i could see them because the side of my face was swollen completely shut and i said ralph, i said you're probably right. but i'm going to get a lot of time. i said you're definitely right that i'm going to be thinking about a lot of stuff. i am not going to waste a single solitary second thinking about you. from the sisters they talk about the male chauvinism and the sexism. they do talk about the forefront, but can you address that in a few of time and draws what geronimo pratt talked about the shooting at ucla that was really, you know, that we need to get into the divide, those

really the next that -- >> those are two tough questions. let me say, i think that on the issue of chauvinism within the black panther party, a lot of it also had to do with where you were. and so, i can't deny any experience that his sister said she had in the black panther party. but i have to say in new york in a lot of places in the east code like in boston, you know, when erica hutchence was up in connecticut and new york with sisters didn't have that. you know, the sisters struggle, the sisters would call you on it. the sisters would make the brothers like what we thought we were too busy running around, come on i've got to help you

out. sister struggled against that and introduce the black community to we didn't have before about sexism and male chauvinism. any of the sisters usually when you time and sisters of the room and i would like them to identify the problem. i'm proud to say it again tonight. they taught me how to say it clearly and it was the plan. >> with a question that. >> i have one question to ask you. what kind of -- did they have any spiritual means of knowing traders in the ranks, did you all have any spiritual means to know if they would check a brother or sister to see if they

were an informant? a.m. saying quite >> i do understand what you're saying. this is true new york. there is an open door policy to people kind of joining the of their party. ..

you have a people's movement community but level of paranoia and restrictions are you going to have reverses for what you are doing in a community? and we always look at the best way to be safe to be among the people doing good work because that is what it was about. it wasn't so much about our safety but of the community. >> you were in prison and able to get your education and there are many people and parents in the room who might be going to college or went to college and they really had to struggle to pay for their college. what is your feeling about continuing college to people in prison for free and then people are not in prison and have to pay a lot of money? >> would be a better debater of those problems existed. they are cutting them now so much which is counterintuitive

to all the studies the more education you get in prison the lower the rate of recidivism and they are being cut by the liberal politicians who are usually like i am against all this conservatism and people say i'm not tough so i will get tough on crime. that means they get tough on the poor black folks who the criminal-justice system is not serving them any base of that is part one of the conversation. part number two of the conversation is we used to have to fill out those pell grant forms and other forms so the colleges figured out how to get some money. it wasn't completely altruistic and part three is the mandatory that you work that everybody improves in the world make it 25 cents an hour, so the labor was paying for that so there's all kinds of ways you could say that was paid for with the release at the truth is that these programs

have been cut since you are taking up black and brown who are starting and growing not just because it was the campus, they're coming at 14th and 15th when all the way to the system then coming out media legalizing enough is enough, no education, no skills, and then all the programs that used to exist to help them in the vocational training programs, the job programs, they have been cut so you are setting up this vicious cycle of our young men being part of what sister michelle alexander calls the new plantations. >> de think the movement is stronger than the movement being part of the party? >> i'm sorry brother could you repeat that? >> you think the movement was made stronger because of the women's movement?

>> absolutely. no question throughout our history from the middle passage to now to slavery to all the things that we've gone through that without the strength of our women we wouldn't be here, period, and that certainly was evident to me as a young man, you know, going up in the movement and the black panther party. absolutely. >> i was enlightened by the party being a student at temple university i did pay. i ( on some of them right. the simple answer to the both of those are yes she is still exiled and probably will be given the nature of what happened but i talked about us moving towards the right in terms of the policy and in south

africa when nelson mandela became president he had truth and reconciliation hearings and was able to sit down and say listened fincen demo of both sides if we move over most other industrialized fashions come civilized nations in the world have a limit of the amount of time people to keep people incarcerated even if you are talking about people whose life imprisonment has been in prison over 40 years and who has been in exile. why can't we have a conversation about what was happening in terms of the black liberation movement and what was going on and we need to move forward why people would take those stands, why those what happened and have truth and reconciliation hearings and move forward. >> the last two questions up front.

>> we will add one more. >> good morning. i am a double major in african-american studies. my intentions are to tell people maybe what they don't want to hear or are too hard to hear to read to you have any advice for someone like myself? >> be passionate about those stories, and to link up with your classmates and other folks in the community or the chief that you can link up that want to tell similar stories and understand they will get me if you make them. hollywood is just a bank now and they want people to do all the work and bring it to them so i am urging the film makers to tell their stories if you can't tell that as an independent feature film let you can manage

for $4,000 tell it as a web series and attract money from that and use kickstart and all these other things in order to get the stories out there don't wait for some executives in hollywood whose really scared because they are ruled by fear and the comic book movies what they call the tenfold movies with interesting stories, you have to make it and then you go looks to the next paranormal lack devotee. let's do the next one. as a kind of hard to tell those stories. there is a corporate chairman of the house and i use it in the book. when the panthers started coming he knew he had them carry shotguns because those were the dynamic weapons of social change but if they were starting today they would still be patrolled the streets but they would be patrolling the streets with video cameras and laptop computers because these are the weapons of change today. >> this is not an accusatory question. i want that to be understood

first. but the communication on and off, and i would like to know are there any plans or could we possibly begin to make some plans to address that situation? he's probably had hits from the parole board of 20 years, ten years county just recently received another hit from the parole board, and for me the reasons i did read some of the decisions of the board, and most of the decisions they had been made were based on the brothers' writings which we all know is freedom of speech even incarcerated. is it possible that we could begin to address these types of situations and bring your recognition and the recognition of other individuals to try to address in this situation?

>> let me drop the next question and then wrap up. >> good evening. i would like to thank you so much for appearing. i want to talk about the use and this black on black crime. i would like to know what is your suggestion of how we can take the guns out of these brothers hands and put books in their hands in stead. >> this is what i spoke about earlier with this aggressive mentoring with folks to the respect what he's doing with his foundation similar to what i'm doing but nothing beats coming into those communities and especially folks from those communities spending time with them. fred hansen was able to turn the gang in chicago and to the young

lords political party and was doing the same thing with the black rangers and other things getting them to first stop pointing guns at each other and then putting them down into the right time in order to build a community programs. but that comes from policies really important. so we have to work on that level. but being in the community working with them day by day my community has been strong. i'm with them three days a week except all day on saturday and that, and that's how you save lives and how you start literally just adults kind of talking to them but then talking to one another is what makes a true difference. >> as we wrap up this program, i would like to answer part of your question. recently we had an anniversary october 2011 which was the 45th celebration of the black panther party.

it was also the coming out of what is now the national alumni association of the black panther party. we have a web site which is in a hbp.org, that is the national association of the black panther party. we have about four key pillars and one is to address the issue of political prisoners. we have conrads across the country who are still unjustly incarcerated and the second is to address the issue of our young people and find a way to pass the baton correctly and there's also that talks about the legacy of this organization and tell our story in this properly and and we've developed a format we can begin to engage ourselves in issues that are critical to people in our community and across the country, so i would invite everyone to visit the web site which is still a work in progress. we are only a one-year organization as jamal said once you come in the you are always

in. as members of the naabpp in the room i would like all of them to stand up and i of the cofounder as a part of our board in the organization marcus shall, these comrades prop the city and across the country right now we are representing i think about 20 cities and we are moving forward. many of the sold. we've been soldiers a long time that's why we have to have the deutsch and they are the key to this issue. once again i want to thank you all and give jamal a big hand. [applause] invite all of you to join us upstairs and if you haven't gotten the book there are many books available upstairs but you can come up and get a chance to have a close-up with jamal and get his autograph in your book. all right. once again let's give him and

the body the founder and other big hand. [applause] thank you very much. once again, welcome to philadelphia for those of you that are here for the first time [inaudible conversations] members of the patrician will air traffic controllers organization, patco walked off their jobs with the federal aviation administration in august 1 note to the illegal strike had been in the making. almost since the moment the union was founded in the 1960's. it was the inevitable choice

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