>> how do know that? [laughter] and why another book? >> you cannot put everything in one book. liberty and tierney was a

restatement of conservatism and the reintroduction because i thought the republican party had turned into mush. with what the left was doing/> with the conservatism that embracing liberty am private property rights all the things the makes america so hand,, the left to concentrate power and how much damage has been done ms. tough to do that in 250 pages and then i thought to myself later what is the force that lures millions and millions of people to

it? industries their independence. of politicians who are so effective with their propaganda and the pony intellectuals are so effective in the arguments they make. i thought that had to be addressed if we want to save the country we talk about property rights but where do they come from? where does this come from? it comes from a lot of places but i decided to focus on those as well. they conclude the late stages of that we hear to

fix the mortgage situation. know they will not. they will create a program know they will not be equalize. and then do something else. all you have to do surrender more and more of your liberties, assets, who you are and they will fix the situation. where does the ideology, from? this vision is not utopian these are fantasies. but to have such a civil society mydb surrender on

so that is why i wrote the book. [applause] >> you use the word sadism and if there is a word but you have successfully brought back into the american lexicon, to find it "ameritopia". >> guest: i got to thinking this is a book on philosophy -- political philosophy. ride title together. we are not a federal republic anymore because the states that gave central

government that we have a? massive bureaucracy. it does not matter who it is elected it just keeps operating and consuming no matter who you vote for. it is not representative in that respect either. it is something else. i came up with the name ameritopia. i don't know where we're going with this provider of think anybody does. but the aspects of tyranny that if you are a farmer today you are being put upon by the epa fewer the rancher you were put upon from the interior department. private property owners are

under tackle over the country. small businesses under attack in every direction. it is getting much worse. than me here of the politicians talk about this given the game. is that why we were founded? no. to make sure our liberty is protected for the bureaucrats and the politicians. and one word i have to explain this this is ameritopia a mix of america and utopianism. [applause] let me say this. you don't have to clap everytime i give an answer. [laughter] you can get a standing ovation but it is not

necessary. [laughter] >> reading through the book, and it felt like a professor of taking me through a course on philosophy but that's was the very origen of utopianism you took a scholarly approach. why do you feel it was so necessary to get that deep into the roots of the various philosophy? >> number two, and flanders we need to understand.

if you some money dining room table, it has tax and stacks of books on philosophy with a hundred different philosophers. and thomas more and utopia in a common it -- coming this manifesto. and if you notice is never more than 20 you are 25 pages but i let them speak for themselves. plato's republic the ayatollah khomeini references that and the society people say udall

read their right button in the republic they want to control health care because they want to control the population. the oldest of the old and frail less to and the most ill among them are to except the fact that death is honorable under certain circumstances. and also the notion of philosopher. and much, much pearl make mac more. thomas more utopia is fiction. it is based on this utopian notion of egalitarianism.

and the attempt have phony representative government. isolationism. a peninsula turned into an i.r.a. and. then they are pushed out forcibly if necessary you think of now landau's i just give you a thumbnail. then moving into the leviathan whole social ago they thought people on

[laughter] these two class's. they need to destroy any remnants of what is in existence. once they do that eventually

bled to that is why they develop the

constitution. >> host: spend the clock for word to relatively modern america. you have a chapter in your book about roosevelt's 30 use and forties and the new deal. the more i read it the more i got concerned it felt like maybe last three years is the attempt at an annual new deal. any truth to that? >> let me move back a little bit. look at the constitution broken into three branches. look at the debate of the constitutional convention the anti-federalist and the ratification debates afterwards, they were not happy with the division and even though the legislature

and those given enumerated how are you cannot legislate about anything but these things. you cannot just be an executive to have all of the executive how are you want. the judiciary is barely defined. so our framers rare very concerned of a centralized government with consolidated power. referred to these works and more. during the ratification debates in the state's they had problems john adams was twisting arms in pennsylvania was a big problem. they have to agree to the amendments that the constitution is ratified

then the first time these 12 amendments are put out, two of the most important amendments are 11 and 12 that began at ninth and tenth with the bill of rights talking about sovereignty coming individual authority and stateside. the constitution never would have been ratified without the promises of those amendments that were really taken from george may shed based -- george mason and those taken from john locke that we can take-- talk about later but it was crucial to the federalist

and anti-federalist that the central government the very a limited it is crucial the states retain sovereignty and the interpretation of the constitution be true to the ninth amendment to hold up the individual as something that has value and worth to be protected. you have to attack the constitution, dismantle to push with utopian government and this state is them but it most prominent was woodrow wilson. looking at his writings before president he makes it clear to dismiss the inalienable rights and concept of declaration of independence. he says the constitution

cannot be divided this way with one body part fighting with another body part. said he said the federal government has us to do whatever they have to do to bring authority within the government. fdr replied waiting for a columbia professor at said he must attack individualism and otherwise level motion of consolidation could never occur. long way to answer the question the new deal was clearly an attack on the constitutional system. if these programs are so wonderful is called the amendment process.

is like an ongoing constitutional convention. who cares? pass a law. captain trade the same thing. what is going on today is a two words. fundamental transformation. those of the words of obama. when you look at the constitution does the present have the power to fundamentally transform america? of course, not. why would you want to? that means you don't like america very much capitalism private property rights, our constitutional system very much. when you hear the fundamental transformation changes hard, understand this is a direct attack on

our constitutional system. this that is your question? >> i don't remember what it was 85 the. >> you know, i am radio host? [laughter] the number one thing you think of the last several years has robbed us more of liberty driving asmara to ameritopia? >> guest: no question. it is obamacare. [applause] obamacare is about health insurance but more than that. and the final nail in the constitutional system. obamacare is an attack on the commerce clause the

purpose was to promote commerce between the states. not to kill commerce or competition. and then fighting with each other and blocking each other. that was pro trade and pro commerce of them not -- the notion it could be used by congress to compel individuals to do anything against their will and in particular to force a person to ensure into a private contract with a private company is forced to offer a private policy and the individual is forced to pay and a company forced to provided that is so of surge and empathetic goal to our founding that is the and

because then the government can force us to do all kinds of things and that is the president. obamacare does more than that. use the the attack on the catholic church. but why to have free contraceptive? the status quo today is they don't. but yet to is a really that hard to get a condom? i am just saying. [laughter] most public schools hot hand them out like lollipops. [laughter] isn't that interesting? not cancer treatment, diabetes, heart disease, but that. it is fine. added tax the notion of the free exercise of religion but also private property rights.

even more than that to attack individual liberty because i don't want to subsidize something for free and big government doesn't have the power to tell me that i must. [applause] [cheers and applause] one thing i want to mention is the notion of tyranny. alexis day tocqueville talked-about this. jefferson, you can have tierney through democracy. in other words, if congress does things outside the constitution just because it decides it can do it is tyranny. the 88 individuals can vote to steal somebody's wealth, that is tyranny. we don't have appeared democracy.

there's all kinds of things to limit the scope to make sure it individuals and it is to protect our bodies and private property. there is a reason to enter into it. but the government uses its power to attack them. to plunder. one of the things we face what do you do about a situation like this? ideas the politicians that have such an understanding of the dire situation? it is constitutional to take steps necessary and has to be a person of enormous

courage because the utility and state has dug in hundreds of thousands of bureaucrats and big media on its side most of the aversive days and colleges and is a formidable daunting undertaking and we must take because we don't have choice. >> host: along those lines i did the math. getting here at 1:00 today, in that time the federal debt has increased by $1 billion. >> california or the whole country? [laughter] local country. $150 million per hour. >> so now the federal debt

to nears a $16 trillion mark. given we're all slaves whether us where the next generation to the incredible debt to that we pile up, isn't it over? that drives us to utopia? >> we're in utopia but how far to want to go down this path? could great dr. thomas seoul on my program this week and last question was dr. coming will be a constitutional republic in 100 or 20 years? he said, speaking for myself, if we lose the next election, we are not.

if you talk to walter williams he says it is over. i guess i am saying if you listen to ronald reagan this is a place to listen to him and he is my last quote in the book. not pollyanna optimism but optimism. he says in the first inauguration january 1981, paraphrasing, these things are not inevitable. we can take steps to try to begin to turn them around. but if we don't, then they are inevitable. that is right. there are plans out there whether demint, rand paul, paul ryan with serious efforts to start the process to gradually unravel. here is the problem.

have to many americans surrendered or bought by entitlements? they are capable of providing for themselves. for those two pinto what happens to them more for those who believe in the american in spirit to have the mind-set and psychology psychology, to be outnumber them? today outnumber us? we will find out pretty soon. when the election can pull us over the edge. and it is much harder to build a society somebody has

mount hundreds of thousands of years it is harder to do that then destroy them. recent her wonder if the supreme court with other parts of obamacare or not to you how much the society is in decline. a temporary congress that does not even exist anymore those supermajorities ran for obamacare against the well of the american people. that congress is gone but the dirty work remains.

they try to institutionalize their activities through the bureaucracy working full-time to put this in place to counter any future reelection. to get the courts, you only need one justice is my prediction, to give it their stamp of approval. one congress, a temporary politicians will for ever and fundamentally change the nation. that is what the constitution was conceived to stop. we are at the point* where the time of the hour is late. you're not giving out hemlock tonight?

[laughter] mission get you worked up. [applause] i will tell you something. the adr that this generation would surrender their greatest generation the man hears that a thought you iwo jima fighting men and women in uniform fighting against foreign enemies to protect this society. the idea we defeated hitler and mostly any that we fought a civil war mussolini, the idea that this nation all the blood

that has come and gone and the men and women who died that we sit on our asset to let these people take this country is beyond my imagination. [cheers and applause] >> that will not work. [laughter] last question then may go to the audience. it is a good lead and. what can the average american do about this?

>> and average american can take their children and grandchildren and instill in them the american in spirit to speak out whether a college or university and challenge them. let the chips fall where they may. it is time to stand up and for people to understand this generation destroys this country. despite the fact our political leaders are out there how they take care of them with those student loans, they destroy them. this that is so massive that is over $100 trillion.

our economy produces $15 trillion of value per year. it will never be paid back. it is impossible. if we continue even ryan says we have two years but there is a point* of no return when the system collapses. when it does so the civil society then all the things you take for granted, people being respectful, reaching out, violence in the streets and other things going on it is all there for us to see. they have a head start on their demise. but the answer is your

family is, friends, co-workers. here is the good news. i have been involved in politics for four years. i worked did mr. shin. i have never seen so many people quoting and braving the constitution. many of you 10 years ago never gave it thought but now i bet it is at the front of your mind as a diss with 10 civilians of us. tens of millions us love this country. we want to get to suez many people as we can. that is the purpose. i consider part of that to as my brothers and sisters

wry we are under attack all the time. we have a good message. private property rights constitutionalism is a good message. what do they have? fantasy. coercion. misery. we need to spend more, create more, bigger and bigger and unemployment. that is unheard of with 8 percent unemployment since the great depression look at the housing market it is a disaster with a community reinvestment act. they don't know what they

are doing. but they will stop not only that they can do more -- demand more and more authority. they are fanatics they don't do here it didn't want to know about experience with the science is sonat using knowledge they accuse you of that the day plush a fanaticism i dogma or a religion and they will not be talked out of it. so to make sure what we wrote did even then it may not work. we have to try. [applause] >> we have a staff remained

with the microphone break raise your hand. >> my question is why do the republicrepublic an nominee not take or use your rhetoric or to create their own rhetoric to address all of these issues rather than attack one another? to address the issues that you just addressed with us? >> why don't they get into these issues? they do both but they at attacks so constant but i've regret to and i am not an

idealist. i know why one candidate has to spend millions to teardown the other thinking that is the way to the nomination. we have that opportunity right now with a very smart man could be running could be discussing these things and not being distracted. did he pay taxes 1974? who gives a. the fact is we have to persuade the american people to our point* of view. in the end the american people will decide what kind of country they want to have. franklin said on the last day of the constitutional convention he was so ill he wrote it and gave it to james wilson to read. at the end of the speech franklin says paraphrase,

paraphrase, , the constitution will work for a period of time but then the people will decide if they want to live under despotism or not. if they do, then they deserve it. keep in mind these men who are berated and smeared by the left as the framers after the revolutionary war was over they could have taken power court-appointed a king. if george washington wanted to became he could have then. they were constantly concerned restraining power. including their own because they understood the notion of liberty. we have what we have and the cannot rely on politicians to do the work.

we need to get the right to politicians and office to begin the process. but we have to reacquaint the american people with their heritage. the more you are merisel with information hillsdale college, other people look the more you and for yourself the more you are a patrick and patricia henry. >> thank you. >> bequests janice the fire were magaziner jefferson i'm good look around at what is going on around me i see the

media like to meet cutlass -- constantly, relen tlessly. my thought is every politician and should say i run a guest the democrats and the media. you like to the public here is the fax i should not be a politician and running but if i am right when the people to question and you. what do you think? >> i have said something similar to that to run against the media. what the could negative shoulda. they are what they are. i cannot of pennsylvania the republican party was weak mush like in so many states. conservatives need take the party's over as a practical matter and have to do fast.

you have to have a party that did says resolute and aggressive for the cause of constitutionalism as one against the cause. the left never gives up. i will not use the forum here to give my a opinion of the leadership. you know, what i think. [laughter] i have never seen such a mid. i just said i would not do this. [laughter] i am a guest. aghast is not do that sort of thing. but what madison and jefferson would say of course, politicians lie.

that is why we tell them not to give some much power that is why we enumerated authority. we don't need to have of the state's we have a president like we have today from my point* of view. we have to plug the hole. whoever the end nominee is if it is an oil issues can, it is fine by me. [laughter] [applause] we have to take a breath look at the damage done on the horizon began the process to unravel and

dignity been to the bureaucracy to find the appointees and yank them out. eliminate most regulations that are onerous and destructive of individuals and private property and we have to begin the process. that cannot begin with this administration. something else, in some ways

and want to be an influence to undo what has been done at to teach people what is coming out with their actions. [applause] everybody in here is proud of you. number one.

[applause] and you are smarter than everyone of those kids to sit on their hands are mock the flag for i cannot tell you how many men and women died to make sure that flag was held up in battle. it discussed me. have thousands and thousands of times to carry the american flag. they were the targets the commander and so forth. the author of europe sitting there i don't know how we fix that but maybe i often

say on the radio i educate one the borough added time. [laughter] i am not educating any of them. that is why have concluded there are people out there. nothing we can do or say will convince them of anything. those people must be defeated. you have to get to the other people who have an open mind or open attitude and you find out there is a couple kids in the class. do not many people died carrying that flag? there are plenty of kids to talk to. [laughter] [applause]

>> on a different subject given the situation between israel and iran and mixed signals coming out of the white house, d thain prime minister and 90 yahoo! one of the greatest leaders the world has ever had. [applause] will in fact, do what he has to do to protect his people and unilaterally ago when? went? whether the repercussions of the does? >> i spoke to him yesterday. [laughter] i don't think that country will allow another holocaust. there is no way.

it is a powerful tiny country massively outnumbered and outgunned but i do not think they will allow me net job from tehran to get the nuclear route weapon if they can stop it. but we do not harm them with what they need the deep penetrating bombs the type of jets they need them to figure out how to get their how to fix and change the ordinance, then to do with the massive onslaught that is likely to occur when they're done from the gaza strip and lebanon. perhaps from the muslim of brotherhood and saudi arabia

park ave are surrounded except for jordon that is teetering. we were sending mixed signals and donald -- model reagan was president they would not think twice to continue with the nuclear arms program. reagan would make it abundantly clear natalee to give them the weapons they need we will use the weapons ourselves that is what i think what happened. [applause] i can say what happened people will not allow themselves to be an adaptation annihilated.

>> a couple weeks ago we lost a great patriot and a person i have to mendel and -- tremendous moral courage, and term bright bart. [applause] who understood very clearly the liberals were good at controlling pop culture to define dual can conservatism grab that back from the liberals? [laughter] i think we tried for go everything we possibly can. i love to hear the words that my good friend andrew breitbart was strong, courageous, we ought to do what he does then my colleague comes under enormous attack.

where is everybody? they run for the hills. i don't know if we can or will but we need to try. he created an institution he launched a new site with a lot of young people over there i guess i will call them the andrew breitbart army. we all have our role in life. this is what i tried to say. each of you to go back to your community to make a difference. it is the only chance we have. reset their on election night will people be motivated? do something about it. sick of the local republican party? to something about it.

if they don't do something about it they will go the way of the zero big party. don't lafayette. [laughter] if that happens, then the democrats party will have power for a very, very long time because the conservatives will be split. the third party elections have been miserable over the last 100 years. there is some much ado. it is overwhelming if it piles on. focus on the micro in your home, a st., family, neighbors. get into debates with them them, you do with the colonists did before the revolution. do you know, locke was the

most discussed philosopher before the revolution? mountain men. many people were not educated. subsistence farmers. you don't have to learn a lot. i will tell you something. people came to the book signing to say i was a liberal. i am not any more. any of you here? [applause] what happened to those people? when you see the light, it is a great day. [laughter] when you see the light, as seriously. it liberates your mind. all of the hate, i jealousy, nonsense, i wish. when you understand liberty to finally crossover you are

willing to fight for it to and something to defend. the american heritage. you have a responsibility to save this country. i don't have one. nine exists. there is a point* where the politicians cannot keep selling. [applause] and i talk about the need to defeat and stop the damage and i think it is particularly crucial in this election cycle. if the damages sought to then we the people need to focus on getting statesmen.