national bioethics committee is deliberate and there's been open debate far less advanced in places like china from india, japan, and what i hope we will see is ethical debates in this country's that draw on some of those traditions, confucianism, buddhism, traditional religions as well as different perspectives on nature and science this has to be a global debate eventually because if we are going to draw lines before we get to things like the genetic enhancement some coordination will be necessary and we will have to acknowledge different traditions and plants of view on these issues. >> professor banchoff where we stand in the u.s. as far as our structure on in chorionic

politics? >> we have a kind of difficult status quo that emerged gradually. it's been the case since the 1970's that federal funding of research that results in the destruction of embryos is illegal or is not available, and president obama to the chagrin did not try to overturn that. it goes back to the 1995 appropriations rider which has been renewed in subsequent years. he didn't want to take that fight. what he has done and what represents the change from george w. bush's administration has brought in the air raids themselves, embryonic stem cells available to the researchers working with federal funds. it was the case you will recall in 2000 when president bush

limited the sales derived before that and obama has opened it up somewhat so what's striking his not much change on the federal level in terms of funding the research that involves the destruction of embryos and really not much change in regulating the private sector and that is one of the most amazing things from the competitive perspective that we separate out research that is government funded and we have huge polarizing debate about that and lots of stuff goes on the private sector without much oversight. islamic professor thomas banchoff of georgetown, embryo politics of ethics and policy in atlantic democracies published by cornell university press. he's an associate professor here at georgetown become part of the government department and the school of foreign service. this is book tv on c-span2.

author of becoming american the forging of the american and muslim. she sat down with book tv to talk about her book and her work at georgetown university. this is about 20 minutes. >> now joining us on booktv is professor yvonne yazbak and sheila author of this book becoming american the forging of arab and muslim identity in pluralist america published by baylor university press. professor, when did muslims start coming to the u.s.? >> it depends. some people think they were here

before columbus, some people think at least one of them came with columbus. but major -- amine in the 1870's. >> why? >> mostly lebanon and people are looking for work in of lebanon engaged there was a blight in the mulberry trees died and so they couldn't raise anything but the other thing that happened is the japanese silk began to compete so the industry fell apart. estimate quote was the reaction when the arabs and muslims started coming to the u.s.?

trade industry that they began to sort of poll little trinkets to farmers. we have documents that showed they went into connecticut and springfield and there was this woman who ran away from lebanon to avoid being married to an 80 year old man, so she opened a store and they knew no arabic they would have her name and address and they could slip them on the train from new york and the wood and in springfield and they would go out. sears roebuck began to deliver to the rural area and came to an end so they started opening stores and began to settle. >> with a strong muslims at that

time or more of a secular? >> for most of the world. the first arabs were christian and than ten years later the muslims began to come because some of the arab christians would go back and they would have money and build these houses in devotee could see they made money in america said it began to have muslim reluctant at first coming. we know of one getting on the ship and he had a mask and they said get out. but the of soldiers came and they were basically to come back. they didn't come to settle. >> when were there other times in u.s. history when waves of muslims came to the states? >> there is a short period of time by 1974 and 100 people from

the middle east could come to the united states and they had to be relatives of people who were already there so between 1924 and the second world war is a period. that's why the second world war they have to go back because especially from bosnia and other places the united states has recruited them from coming and they train them with the idea of teaching them how to fight but then they didn't know what to do with them so they brought them to the united states. in the united states recruited people from the muslim world after 1952 because that's when the united states went into the business of communism in the muslim countries and so we have

a lot of propaganda based on that and they've recruited students to come study for their masters degree or ph.d. in the united states and some of these people did not go that. then after 1965 we have the major immigration when the united states abolished the asia exclusion act and then we began to have people from asia coming like pakistanis, bangladeshis and mauritanians so we had different waves. >> professor sheryll cashin, honey muslims or how many arabs are in the u.s. at this time? nobody knows. god knows best because nobody has counted them.

there are sore between 17 and 11 million. a day may be about 2 million. the arab christians. the christians and displaced people from the palestinian christians and so as the middle east is emptying out to have emigrated not all of them come to the united states, canada or europe, but there is a process of the emptying of christians. because of the situation, the political situation. as a result there are questions

whether it will surprise the middle east. they worry you at the christian population here and syria. in the western countries just tried to get out of egypt. it gave immigrated. >> professor, is there such a thing as a muslim identity in the u.s.? >> i think there are several muslim identities. usc.

i have a palestinian student who is more secular but his muslim secular if you can think of that. at the same time maintain. he can separate the two. there are other on muslims i won't tell you above the primary density. three to five times a day some muslims. it depends who decides what a mess lies. they may not agree with a free to other and with the definition is. >> absolutely. no difference. >> was a moderate muslim.

i don't know what's fair. basically a good muslim according to the bush administration. somebody who follows. what has happened is there is a backlash on the muslim community, and i think that a lot of americans are very apprehensive.

there are quite a few of them. well, you have the pipes, you have dillinger, there's a whole list of them that wrote a study recently that showed this got something like $40 million who make money out of demonizing. they become the informers. they go around and there's a whole list of them. they get the money. they make a living out of it. so, someone who demonizes the forum? is it somebody that takes religion seriously according to some muslims you have to follow

the fifth. is it somebody who renounces the sharia much as what our current group of people running for office in the republican party want. it's very interesting. sharia says you to pay five times. if somebody has to renounce. >> after 9/11 the attitudes have changed orb have been building? >> it's been after the fall of the soviet union because people were beginning who's the next enemy the united states is going to have and get somebody like huntington to talk about the clash of civilizations and went about on hold least talking about it and they got a response from iran which talked about the

dialogue of the civilization of let's get together and work together in a better world but 9/11 sharpen the this and it's not so much 9/11 as the propaganda that surrounded the war which was necessary if you are going to energize the people to support the war and to have trillions of dollars poured into a war and young people killed in the project you have to justify it somehow. it's been a i'm not saying that bin laden didn't hit us but the high for the war generated a great deal of hostility and now we have more to into an industry >> what about the phenomenon of the suicide bombers?

>> suicide bombers are an interesting topic. if you look at some of the articles that have been written i saw what about the palestinian suicide bombers that do this because they can't afford to get married so they have a sort of instant gratification of sex they can have it right away. i think we have to forget it as people who don't know how to cope with what they feel this extreme depression. i sometimes talk about the simpson model. people don't like to hear it. i grew up in the christian church and in the sunday school

-- and he was depressed and he was beaten and mocked and the palestinians are in that condition and they feel like there is nothing they can do, then we can have an equal war but if i can't do anything what else can i do as a shelter and st. sure me. i'm not justifying it but i'm saying where it's coming from, this great feeling of is their anything i can do to relieve the suppression that i experienced. >> does the u.s. policy towards israel played a role in this? >> majeure while. the u.s. policy towards israel is creating enemies for us throughout the muslim world because we are sanctioning in israel against most of our

values as american. we talk about freedom, christians and muslims in israel don't have freedom. for example, there are 45 laws on the books and as rell but discriminate against christians and muslims precisely because they are christian and muslim and the jewish state and the israeli citizens who are jewish so they can to buy houses some place. i once had a discussion with a rabbi and i asked him if they run for office and you have one arab-israeli through is serving. but the question asked him which he didn't like at all is the jewish community in the united states, what is the same law firm that would be imposed on them in the united states but

they like the san laws and he got very mad at me because of course they wouldn't like him. they can't buy houses where they want to. if they built a house that might be demolished or expropriated but basically because of the distinction between the national with citizen and the privileges are for the jewish. >> what is the taking of your book becoming american? >> they are hard to become american. the question is whether the society is whether to accept them and on what terms were and a sort of used to look good muslims as being except into the american society and mine was the catholics and the jews were

to come and eventually if you look at the supreme court we have nine justices of the peace. all these people now tell us what america is about to but i don't know whether a muslim as grant be a member of the supreme court but is not the question. should be able to integrate in such a way that no one would ask a question about them participating in what america is. then i realized that the woman that we have to look at sort of from the purview of what america does with people that, you know, war against. i just looked at how the u.s..

they were put in internment camps in north carolina but i think research came up with that information. they went to phoenix university where i tried to read and. you don't have a german-american is this or that, so they got assimilative completely. after the second world war we had the japanese. now, i know putting all iranians and arabs into camps in the south into military bases. they didn't after.

the server war is communism, and i think that that's more criminal to what just happened to islam. chosin a theology than religion and if the u.s. has accepted as religions. >> what is your background, professor? >> i'm from syria. i came here in 1963, and married to an episcopal prince. >> and he went to school? >> boston university of theology, not seminary,

education. >> what do you teach? >> islamic studies and also arab christians come arab intellectuals. estimate how many books have you written in? >> editing 23. >> all of this topic? >> no, everything on the and the the co women ideas. as the mccuish been talking with george tom professor yvonne yazbek becoming american the forging of muslim. published by baylor university press. >> thank you. blocked off their jobs with a federal aviation administration. on august 3rd, 1981. one analyst noted stripes were in the making.

it was the inevitable choice of. it appears to have been preparation for this moment. the controllers had such a long history of militancy before 1981 that it wasn't surprising they became the first union to state it carefully choreographed and plan a nationwide strike against the federal agency. yet the journalist was puzzled. blight kallur workers is what i thought the bathroom would call for the professionalism of your calling. workers like this would shrike against the government. the paper columnists. as they watch their family

gather. when they were about to be hired for the dead line with president ronald reagan to return to work. at the moment, these were ordered a furious over been merit of these contractors and supporting became and what they called a stokely carmichael salute. the 60's were long gone, the president used, but he road 13 more years are later suburbanite and america finally catches up. here, people from north babylon ryland shooting their fists into the air and protests against

their government. >> you can watch this and other programs online at book tv at mica. specifically the idea of utopianism. this is just over an hour. [applause] okay, so we thought rather than let him give a boring speech -- [laughter] we would have a conversation, and you are going to join in on this after i get my shot at him. so marked, first, welcome to the library. >> can you put marlo books out

of here? [laughter] >> we sold all the rest. >> thank you very much. >> i will start with, you know, when you wrote liberty and tyrannies sold over a million bucks. what is such a huge success now you've written a mother, and i know you haven't written either because you need money. wife of reason for the. well, you know, you can't put everything in one book and liberty and tyranny was a state of conservatism and non-conservatism, the introduction of it because honestly i felt that the republican party had turned into kind of mush and i thought it was important with what the left was doing in this country to remind people of conservatism to

why it's a magnificent and why it increases liberty and private property rights and fair rules law individual sovereignty and/> of these things that have made america so great it on the other hand of the left which is constantly trying to centralize tough to do in 100 to two pages which i did, and then i said to myself leader i really haven't gotten to this thing that is what is this force that lures millions and millions of people to it and then destroys their independence and the politicians that pushes are so effective in their propaganda and the phony intellectuals that push are effective on the argument to make where does this come from,

when did it start and i thought that had to be addressed if we are going to in my view save the country. the other point is where did our view come from? we talk about property rights and these other things but where did they come from? they didn't wake up one day and suddenly think about the three branches of government. where does this stuff come from? it comes from a lot of places. i decided to focus on both places as well so i concluded the problem we have as a utopian status on. you can hear it today. politicians get up and say i'm going to create a program and fix the mortgage situation. they are not going to fix the mortgage situation. they're going to create a program