>> who do you think is most at fault for investors losing money from an account that was supposed to be segregated? mr. steenkamp? >> senator because i don't know what actually happened is hard to answer that question. >> ms. serwinski? >> could you are repeat the question sir? >> ms. ferber. >> obviously there was a terrible failure here of some kind but what it was i don't know since the trustee has controlled the investigation and all the information since october 31. >> a good analogy is a gamblers at a casino and if the casino does not provide more credit once a gamblers chips are gone yes to stop playing. he can't just return the table and take somebody else's chips. if he did, he would be in handcuffs quicker than you could say segregated accounts.

isn't that however in essence what happened at mf global? >> i don't know what happened, sir. >> ms. suransky? >> i don't know. >> ms. ferber? >> i don't know. >> to be the experts that a company decides mf lovell, the scope of an f. global there is sure a hell of a lot that you guys don't know.