many in the west believe. this is about an hour and a half.

>> good afternoon. to those of you here with us at the capitol hill club and to the c-span book tv audience across america and from the world welcome to the policy institute afternoon with an author featuring nonie darwish the devil we don't know the dark side of the revolutions in the middle east. and with the clear luft policy institute for conservative women. our mission is to prepare women for leadership and to promote leading conservative women. we do this through a variety of unique initiatives including our campus lecture program which includes top conservative women like ann coulter, and of course nonie darwish who will be speaking for the institute leader of this week. if you are interested in learning more about how to bring

a conservative woman speaker to your campus, please visit our web site at www.cblpi.org. we are so honored to have a conservative woman leader like nonie darwish here to share her experience growing up as a muslim and egypt and to give her unique perspectives on the recent era of the spurring uprising. in her new book, the devil we don't know, she explores the truth behind the individuals who initiated the cairo protest and tells how the radical groups like the muslim brotherhood have hijacked the revolution to further their own a terrifying agendas. as the daughter of an egyptian army lieutenant-general, she was taught at a young age the propaganda featured for which she blames the middle eastern islamic culture. she was forced to recite poetry, putting she held against israel and has spoken at length against

growing up under the sharia law. in 1978, after earning a b.a. in anthropology from the american university in cairo and working for a time with the middle east news agency, she left egypt for the united states. after a rising in the u.s., she became a christian and starkly after the attack on my mind 11 began writing poems critical of the islamic extremism. nonie started the website arabs for israel which she described as an organization of arabs and muslims who respect and support the state of israel and welcome a peaceful and diverse middle east while rejecting islamic jihad. nonie is also the director of the four muslims united which stands for freedom of religion and civil rights for muslims. without further ado, please welcome this afternoon's guest speaker, nonie darwish. [applause]

it's a pleasure to be here. i'm always enjoying the ladies of the clare boothe luce policy institute. thank you for inviting me again. we all watched the uprisings in the middle east with empathy and hope for the young people who put their lives in the front line in the hope of having freedom and democracy. but a year later our hopes drawn by the policy forces that will never allow the new dawn to exist of freedom in the middle east. we should not be surprised the the least has been plagued with revolutions and dictatorships

and political unrest for centuries. why should this one work and the others don't? during the uprising, i was looking for a poster, any poster. i was reading all of the arabic and english signs of the young people in the hope of seeing something new, a new idea. i was looking for separation of the state. i was looking for the movement of sharia from the egyptian constitution. i was looking for equal rights for them on muslims. equal rights for women. i wanted to see women chanting. beating wives is not a husband's legal right. but all the signs were about one

thing, moving at the dictator's. now that he is gone, the ugly reality of the islamic failure to produce stable and free societies should be clear to the world. problems of the muslim world are far more complex than taking out a dictator. to the west, when things were happening i noticed the western media were celebrating and predicted that the liberty would naturally when in this conflict. but when it comes to the middle east, things are not as clear-cut as in the west. liberty often means freedom to foley practice sharia and ending

the peace treaty with israel, to move into the conflict stage with israel again or freedom to declare jihad against israel openly come and to many it means the beginning of the road to the islamic caliphate that never really existed. democracies don't come out of nowhere and are not the natural progress passing of time. a lot of people think that even shows the time will bring democracy. but egypt, countries like egypt and persia have 5000-year-old histories, and unfortunately the passage of time doesn't necessarily mean positive

progress. it doesn't mean they will finally discover liberty to read certain factors must exist for the society to have democracy and freedom. at the state level it means the right legal system to protect freedom of democracy. the cultural level, it means they're right morals and values that will establish the foundation comfortable, for people to behave and to be appreciative of freedom and democracy. and the individual level it means the personal character, the belief system and trust between the members of society work in harmony with the state's, the legal system and

the culture. all these factors both exist in the mill least unfortunately. before i proceed, i want to emphasize i'm not here to talk about people or groups. i'm not here to offend muslims were peace-loving muslims. i'm here to speak of an ideology and the legal system that is the official lot today and over 54 countries throughout the world even after the revolution. i think we can all agree that in america no ideology, secular or religious should be beyond questioning. american scheiffer of freedom of

speech is the day freedom end to everybody. more people don't care to provide any religion and i'm talking about that because people talk about being islamophobia. >> of course not to read some of the nicest people in the world are muslims. my whole family's muslim and they are some of the nicest people that you'll ever meet, so this accusation that i am islamophobia is just a way to silence me speaking against an ideology that is a pacific and that is to respect human rights. i was born during the 1952 revolution in egypt, around that time in which my father had a

prominent role in the new revolution and had the intelligence in gaza and had not entrusted him with starting a movement to destroy israel. that was objective of the revolution. the 52 revolution promised freedom, and promised democracy it promised a new constitution and the new flag of egypt and even changed the name of the country from egypt, the historical name of egypt to the united arab republic. egypt suddenly rejected its ancient history after the revolution, it's great civilization and wanted to align

itself with the caribbean peninsula culture to the identity of becoming arab and muslim. the name of the largest square in cairo and went to the square and said we are going to change the name of the square to the air and nickname freedom square. but the error instead of bringing freedom and democracy as he said it turned out to be one of the most oppressive periods in the egyptian modern history. in the long period of the war, socialism, confiscation of property of the businesses and the people who were making the country work offered in poverty

and and literacy. from 1952 until last year, 2011 the revolution happened. egypt had only three presidents. see how many america had during that time. i lived under most of my life in egypt under the oppressive dictatorship. eyewitness to the oppression of women, the general mutilation. my mother's generation, 97% of the women had to undergo this operation including my mother. polygamy and its devastating

effects on the relations. i knew a girl at 16 that was raped and as a result she was killed by the family because she had committed sexual offense. my only outlet to escapes the life under sharia was to move to america in 1978, 79. i remember walking in the hallways of my new job in america and i saw a sign as a new immigrant i like to read everything. i wanted to get acquainted with the country quickly. the sign said this organization doesn't discriminate on the basis of reflection, gender or race. i was in awe of the sign that many americans take for granted.

i marveled at the statement which to me was nothing short of the miracle. i had a sigh of relief i am now finally equal to men because under sharia, men and women are ruled by a distant place, totally different. women are totally inferior, second-class citizens. i was glad i no longer lived under this cycle of political instability, the cycle of the revolution's, assassinations, coo de talk, the way they have survived for many centuries. many have come to power after the takeover. if you look to the history of any country in the middle east

the leader is always there after a revolution or today talk against the previous leader and so privately this is not under the law. that's why it is accepted. actually it is perfectly legitimate, and the masses of people and the media are often jubilant and rarely questioned the legitimacy. the same in egypt who used to praise mubarak on a daily basis in articles in the major newspapers on tv today are praising the revolution. they are the same people condemning the that history of the evil dictator. they are the same tv personnel.

sharia has all of this system to stay like that. there is a law injury is, quote, i am quoting from the islamic books. if the muslim had a state is allowed to hold its procedure of power meaning through force. that is perhaps one of the most dangerous outflow is that stands in the space governments furious hawken the muslim countries achieve and still practice sharia? this formula cannot reconcile, and that is why several islamic leaders today after the revolution are starting to attack the idea of democracy and

freedom. for the egyptian presidency his name www.cblpi.org recently said there is little freedom under islam. who said we want freedom, he said, and he compared being a muslim to membership in the military where you have to obey never to decide. she said you must obey all including the dress code. what a muslim must wear and eat. everything is dictated by sharia she was honest. he was reading his shelia and islamic literature and telling the truth, he's not flying at least. that is precisely why the

revolutions are doomed to fail in accomplishing stable democracies. there is a constant tension in the islamic states between the political system and application of the sharia law. the article why sharia, and the journalist that wrote it was just trying to make fun of people like me. why should you be afraid of sharia meaning that you are in islamophobia you see sharia. i would like to invite "the new york times" to ticket front seat and watch for themselves the civilization what is in this example of how the islamic revolution will fail precisely

because of sharia, which can only bring another tyrant to replace the old. they fool themselves. they think we would be bringing in another president. now we are going to have freedom and democracy. well, it has happened many times before. that's what happened. in 1919 there was an uprising for freedom and democracy. it is a cycle that can never be accomplished because of the end, the forces of islam will win and that is why the religious leaders are constantly finger-pointing the blame for islamic societies failures on the west and israel. they cannot touch south, they cannot looking at their problems are in islam that is against the law of shelia to decide inside

sharia and only the outside work. just recently several egyptians were killed in concert to the country's injured where the mob killed each other. it was a tragedy. but what do the politicians on tv -- what did they say instead of looking in and encouraging people to have better values and instead of saying what is wrong with our system after the revolution aren't they supposed to be more at peace and more respectful of each other but instead in the egyptian member of parliament for the tragedy. and not only one person, but several people said there is

infiltration of american, the americans who are working in the peace organizations in egypt and they directed some of them and want to put them on trial and even 45 people in general. they are not allowed to leave the country because they think they are contributing recklessness in the society. what a joke. and israel. how can israel affect the rights in a soccer game? that has been a culture of the islamic is never to look within,

it is against the law so the only outlets for people and for journalists even is to blame the all outside world. it's a conspiracy. it restricts every aspect of the political system and the duties. so a muslim had a say but isn't free to rule under democracy or freedom. so he has to rule by sharia. let us see how this affects the political system. what is the definition of jihad under sharia? if you open islamic books this is the definition of jihad from the most well-known book it is

to the muslims derived from the word signifying warfare to establish the religion. it's for the purpose of making islam when the war. expansions. it is the war. in the university there is another definition. quote, the war institution against jewish christians and pagans, the war institution. when the war is mentioned. only 3% does not refer to the war and violence. this gets really complicated

when they are not just in post on muslim individuals but when it becomes the job of the state, the job of the state is already defined under sharia. the fight all people until they become muslim. it is a commandment. this is the job. you have to fight a muslim country. when the muslims are in there is another law that says when the muslims are in their own country in which case jihadists a communal obligation among the muslims each year you have to go to jihad and will provide the equipment the soldier and a jihadi to the soldier has

himself performed jihad. so the people that go to the mosques and give money for hezbollah and the muslim brotherhood, all these people are doing jihad in their own way. with the west needs to understand is that the she had a doctrine of invading in a muslim country challenges the sovereignty of the non-muslim countries. it is the law that forces itself not only on the people but on the muslim head of state on the constitution of every muslim country that he has to do jihad against the country's never treat them as equals, never before and the west.

if it is any wonder why the muslim leaders don't want to show this they don't. you are a puppet of the west and that is the worst to call a muslim in the state. and this is repeated for early in the scriptures. it is not one commandment, such a commandment, it is hundreds of commandments to the heads of state. they make more upon the descriptions and until the non-was one of prospects so the commandment is not just to force them to become muslim but if they did and their religion then they must be the little and

mistreated. does that tell you how christians in egypt are living? the commandment is to be little them and give them less rights day until all the people become muslim. when they become the ruler in the region the duty includes if the area has a border adjacent to the enemy land and unease she will undertake jihad against the enemies among the combatants and deserving recipients in the of code. what does that mean? some islamists in america say jihad means an inner struggle. it doesn't mean war. 3% of the time it is mentioned it doesn't mean war.

but 97 it means war. so just hiding the 9%. and that's why i am heeded because i am talking about and reading from their books. that dhaka. so, not only is the motherhood of the state supposed to do jihad but also he has to preserve islam in its original source never accept any novelties. jihad is a -- democracy is a novelty to that. never accept democracy. never accept novelty. if the leaders that don't wish to do jihad let's say as an arab leader who doesn't, and he

refuses to follow sharia, she wants to give people freedom of speech and make the democracy and he wants to have good relations with of the west, she will immediately be called an apostate and not be removed from office or killed. this is what cheviot hills the muslim public is the law. muslims are obliged to remove the leader if he is no longer in muslim all for the sake of law, sharia or mix of the innovations that means the of no rule but to rule by the sharia law and that is what happens to anwar sadat. people don't understand why anwar sadat died.

the only thing that the muslim brotherhood are shocking, just another was fascinated because he violated the essence in the sharia law. when he signed the peace treaty with israel it was him telling the muslim world i no longer want to do jihad against israel. it was striking at the heart of the haslet requirements to be a muslim head of state to come and the muslim world erupted after it signed the peace treaty with israel. it erupted alba mosques unanimously including the many mosques in egypt and he called them tyrants. he took his confidants before

signing the treaty i know i'm signing my death warrant. she knew that he sacrificed his life. she believed in his conscience. and violated the duty as a muslim leader and he knew it. is it any wonder that pakistani leaders today were protecting for ten years even though america was getting them billions of dollars to hand them osama bin laden. they protected him and kicked america and protected him for ten years. if it wasn't for some intelligence by america. and the infirm america who was

very low in the latter in pakistan and he was arrested by the way by the government of pakistan she was not in good shape now, the person who told america about osama bin laden. why do the pakistani leader's not easily hand that? in afghanistan when 9/11 happened, why did the taliban that used to hand osama bin laden and expel the al qaeda members from the country why all these muslim leaders are doing that? because the day that the ander osama bin laden is the day they would be assassinated and called

apostates. it all goes back to the sharia law which defines their job. so all of them are playing with america. give us your dollar. sure. they go home and put in a local council somewhere. the double face is so obvious, but that's why they do it. nobody knows why. the things you're all crazy, no, they are not crazy. if it forces them to do that triet let's examine how much, how such apply in the real law. when the president -- i talked about the president -- sorry it isn't true that bin laden was not representing islamic sharia.

in london was, and the day he was killed was a day of mourning i received many e-mails from friends of mine who told me i cannot see anybody that is happy that we caught that osama bin laden was killed, and he said to me almost everybody is sad to read it is a day of mourning mac. he said there were just a few people that were not interested but no one was happy that the man who gave islam and name and called 9/11 had everybody in the muslim world saying judge us by what bin laden did. please, don't judge us. this is just a minority of

people who are not really falling, and these are supposedly. it is almost like the right hand -- the left hand is going and it is up to us to figure out of this mess, and we are kidding ourselves. they could get into very easily. it is not a mystery to me and why, why the peacemakers are assassinated and y mahmoud ahmadinejad of the world are raising in popularity in egypt, the popularity in egypt skyrocketed after threatening to wipe israel off of the map and insulting the american president from new york in the united nations.

that is because a trolley muslim leader must automatically be, and incidentally the leaders who do that are the ones that keep their jobs. the president who was taken out was also pro west moderate. this and we wish the yemen president. the hard-liners and the people following sharia it is almost impossible to take them out. is the idea that the revolution is taking out radical muslims is not true. they are taking out of the leaders. the situation will be difficult

for israel. i have a chapter in the book that shows how after the revolution, three days after mubarak was taken out, and to egypt after many years of being outside and he held a rally in the square and everybody was chanting let's go to jerusalem now. they are just itching for a fight in israel and we want to fight israel. let us pay the peace treaty with israel. that is all they were talking about. never mind the economic problems of egypt to read never mind the oppression, never mind the unemployment, never mind all the internal problems in egypt. they are not talking about that. they are talking about trying to tear up the peace treaty and start jihad all over again. the solution was that in order

to liberate the hot again, and it's the west needs to understand this, because i saw everybody going forward of a middle east freedom and democracy and many people think they are still under way. in this dynamic only the tyrannical government can survive in the middle east. only the shelia abiding governments can survive in the middle east and in the antiisrael democracy and western government can survive, and that's what we are seeing here. sharia is a dictator trend, and

like many blamed the dictatorship on the west. sure we have all these dictators because the west has them. the of the syrian leader's. they were not friendly with the libyan leader's and mahmoud ahmadinejad is not. they are all dictators with the moderates. what else can america do? we have to deal with certain countries. there are many in the west who brought the claim and believe the claim that it is our fault the of these dictators if only we had encouraged the democracy and freedom we always blame ourselves. the culture is of self blame and

a culture of blaming the outside world and the west loves to blame themselves. they love it. jihadists against the international law invading a foreign countries. so, what do they do? the best excuse for jihadists to justify the violence to claim victimhood, you are supporting my parents. israel is an apartheid state. we are the victims of israel of the west, and that makes them

justified when they make the west a target of jihad because for the best policy of aggression is to present yourself as a victim. this explains why the muslim educational system is extremely hard to reform. they cannot start the dhaka stock spreading hate. on a grew up wishing to that they would -- i hear this from the school teachers come from our political leaders we always blame the outside world, never ourselves. if they really want to improve the half to end of the heat

education. as i grew up with is getting even worse. i will tell you an example that just happened recently, and this is a true story. i was calling a friend in egypt and she was telling her son was supposed to get an immunization shot or the sum of her neighbors and the like that and he cried and screamed i can't go, i heard from another kid or the father or somebody that america is sending poisoned immunizations to please and and in fact our children with diseases. this is at the level of children. this propaganda is at the level

of children. some parents and media and mosques are telling their kids don't teach your kids for immunizations. some are getting sick because it is america that is sending these vaccines, america is sending disease to kill us, and they believe it. this is a true story. for israel, they say don't take viagra because israel is sending some kind of detective viagra to make muslim men in the tent. they see this is in the papers and people believe it 50% or more are illiterate. whatever they tell them, they believe it.

they are illiterate in their own language so whatever they preach the believe it and those are the people that are voting in the muslim brotherhood. speech is highly restricted and regulated. there are actually laws which actually kill people, execute people if they touch the order, or islam rendering a person, so criticizing the state becomes hypocrisy. when religion becomes a state -- islam has assumed the role of the state and has brought in a

legal system to rule and a judge by, and the of a military institution called sure sharia to get by assuming the role of the state they should open because the system but no, you cannot criticize the state because it is an islamic state, and this is where the problem lies. so when i am in america deciding the political system and the state committee, islamophobia and you have to show up, it doesn't let me speak anywhere. they are after me wherever i go. they are so highly organized i don't even have a second choice. and here i am being shot because i'm exposing of these laws, and if you really investigate it

explains a lot of the behavior, a lot of the conditions that are making them at least what it is today. so here we are. we cannot speak against or the sharia law and it's coming to a neighborhood near you. some countries are what requesting some in the united nations today that any kind of criticism should be illegal under the precursors of religion. i'm not talking about religion. i could care less about criticizing any religion, that's the religion i was born in. but if religion expands itself so much that it becomes a state and legal system and a military institution, that state has

opened itself to criticism. why is the american media insisting anybody that speaks against is in islamophobia is beyond me. how can we expect muslim countries to allow more freedom of speech? how can we have democracy in the middle east when the rest is already restricted? freedom of speech on islam. we are doing the same thing they are doing. we're telling them what you're doing is right. fine. respect their freedom to be a dictatorship in the country. but don't apply their law in your country. why is the west the government,

our media a lot when the people to terrorize me come a former muslim? and to try to ruin my reputation on the internet, calling me names under the heat speech against a poor religion? i don't know how many times i keep saying that i'm not talking about religion to read the same, some muslims claim it is the cultural phenomena or don't think on killing and that is happening now in the last. how many times to be here but muslim father's killed his daughter wife. it's coming, it's here. and when i talk about they say she tried to link this with islam. how could she? let us see why many men and appearance get away with killing of their kids in the middle

east. there is a law in ha sure beah all of the muslim societies have the law in sharia that makes it survive. and here it is the law that allows. quote, the killing of an adulterer will not be punished, will not be punished also consider a girl or woman who has any sexual miss being in the culture and she has to be killed usually come and it is always a woman another law that encourages killing is, quote, parents and grandparents will not be prosecuted from killing their offering. it's a law. i'm not saying muslims want to

tell their offspring. they will say muslims kill their children were encouraged to kill their children. in the books that experience to kill their children who have committed in their mind sexual crime having an american boyfriend. that is with the egyptian dhaka in texas she killed three beautiful girls 13 or 16 something like that for having american boyfriends and he can't be found. and he's in egypt 100%. i don't think the the egyptian government will even acknowledge that he exists for there to extradite him.

there are 500 reported matters annually in the muslim world reported. there are much more that were on reported, and the choice is also creeping in the west. again, the trend is expanding and not diminishing. it's not just what is happening in the muslim world now it is in the west and the we face an honored killing in america we say that sharia encourages it and they learn, but it was daily that it happened to kill apostates like me i have a death warrant on me if i go to the middle east, and who knows, maybe in muslim wants to follow to should be on the streets how can i dare speak out of law that condemns me to death and many others i am an islamophobia.

it is a phobia in american not to speak against the law that condemns for muslims to death and that is why i created for muslims united .org because i want to expose this violation of the civil rights and human rights of the former muslims sharia failed to a quick to the individuals with the right values of not just that the state level but the individual level sharia did not acquit their people to trust one another, did not equipped them to inspect human rights and privacy rights. actually, they tell muslims to monitor everybody around them if they are not following sharia. what kind of privacy, you cannot have privacy if you live in the

state. they come and muslims with lightning, and i'm quoting now, lying is obligatory. what is an obligatory purpose? it is an obligation on everyone. so, if an organization comes to america that is a branch of the muslim brotherhood in america and its obligation is to spread islam in america into jihad, and you are obliged to lie and this is sharia. you'd be surprised to be dhaka even less surprised because after i wrote my book about sharia i discovered two more obligations for a muslim to protect the name of islam,

slander and exaggeration of weld by name in the book is the purpose is love, you can do slander, and i tell you something that's a very noticeable that can meet you all see that slander is on constantly in the markets. i'm sure you have seen them say they are the enemies of anwar. it's a regular thing. i've grown up on it and they say things about israel like what they offered its help to after the earthquake. there is a segment on the internet you can even watch at, and intellectual, they were

discussing how the jews went to haiti to harvest the organs of the people like he and they are serious. this is on national tv in the arab world. slander. it is crazy claims but if you have a population of 50% in literacy, even the clutter it people, believe me, all of these would believe it. they do believe that. at the miracle level they broke the trust and inspect the bond of loyalty between men and women, husband and wife when they allow men to have full rights they impose severe gender

segregation, and the law says the red for the house fund to support the missile will find. testimony of a woman in court is to have the value of a man. a woman needs witnesses to prove she was raped. divorce is only in the hands of the man and the privacy of having no age limits under sharia that's why you see the eight year old girls filing for divorce in yemen and saudi arabia. i'm sure many of you read the story of this little 8-year-old girl. she looks like a boy, she's like filing for divorce in a court. why? because the law of sure sharia

about a girl of any age at eight or nine, so all men are not created equal under sharia. christians and jews and muslims also are discriminated under the law. a lot of people in america think it is discrimination. black, hispanic, white, whatever but there is going to be discrimination about people's shortfall, whenever, it's human nature. what counts is the legal system. the legal system projects every become equal rights under come everybody under the law. that is all. because when i'm discriminated against truly, we can always go to court. if a woman is beaten, she will

call the police and will be protected and he will be arrested if a muslim woman in the muslim world is beaten, it is within his rights. that's what i'm talking about. i'm not saying the white house no problems there are muslim men who don't beat their wives, so it all to be quoted that saying all muslim men beat their wives because i am quoting allah and that's how they want to get me. i'm not saying all muslims to that. and believe it or not. when i used to hear the heat speech when i was growing up, believe it or not it can sound morrill and wholley. i never thought it was not nice to insult muslims in the mosque. it was wholly. these are holy men.

and maybe they are evil pigs and apes. that's how they make us anti-semitic. not one person in egypt today can openly and publicly demand the removal of article 2 of the constitution which states it hasn't pursued any other law. so the legal system in egypt before the revolution and after the revolution is the same. they cannot move it and if anybody open their mouth and says even a hint of that committee would be killed. the picture is grim and the present and the near future, but what makes things worse is the changing of the west and getting in supporting the muslim brotherhood and radical islam. the west is not just accepting them, but they are giving them respect and appeasement.

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i am confirming, practice today as the state can never produce anything but a political system and that is why in my last chapter, i am predicting the eventual collapse of islam as we know it today. and sharia as we know it today. and being a state. >> it cannot last forever. my only fear is as an islamic state, as we know it is now self-destructive. we are seeing how many muslim countries today are self-destructing. it might bring down western civilization with it. that is why i am speaking. if we are not careful, the west can be one of the casualties or

majorly hurt by the collapse and the last breath of the collapse of the sharia state. and many of the them muslim world lack an understanding of what's truly hinders them from developing an open democratic system. there is ignorance among the people and i'm afraid that the protesters in egypt are slowly but surely compromising and settling with the islamists. and freedom for calm to the muslim world not through physical revolution. they have tried that many many times and it did not work but through an internal philosophical and moral revolution, through actual true reform, separation of muslim states, making islam not a state

and not a legal system. the day islam becomes only a religion is the day we will see freedom and democracy in the middle east. when muslims finally realize that no one should be killed for having -- it is the law of egypt today. human rights are more sacred and more divine than any scriptures. they are not negotiable even in the name of god. it is not human rights that have to pass the weakness test of religion. it is religion that must pass the litmus test of human rights and that is why sharia is the hindrance, is the problem that

is standing in the way of freedom and democracy in the middle east. thank you very much. [applause] are there any questions? >> yes, i write for the pakistani spectacle. how are you? i do not practice but i muslim. my question is, i have spent ore than half of my life in washington d.c. and this is my hobby to trash u.s. foreign-policy and different think-tanks. my question is both -- these people are making their living out of you know proving that muslims are somehow victims and i know these people personally. i have walked on the hill on both sides, democratic member of

congress and i know these people personally, and i can tell you that these people might be working at a gas station or 7-eleven if we don't have this muslim-american victimization in this country. i can tell you the pakistani army, i cannot get a promotion -- 90% of those have their bank account in america. they are playing golf and they are not good in fighting. so the only way for them to get into india is to promote terrorism. and about sadat, i guess he was very rational. it has nothing to do with sharia. he know that the arab muslim country could not defeat his

rights. we americans have so much firepower. we can eliminate pakistan if we want to. our sensual -- morality does not allow that. the consumption is highest among pakistani elite. 100% of them have chauffeurs. and the other thing i wanted to clarify about this lifestyle in western civilization. western civilization is not an institution. i won hundred% agree that muslims are going to destroy themselves. they are not going to be destroyed by the u.s. and that is very strong because we have such a strong system. so this is the inherent quality of the civilization.

it's not going to be destroyed. i have a question. my question is, i personally believe that if you are -- there is something wrong with your mind, something wrong with your brain but this is my personally quick -- opinion. i don't think this has anything to do with the sharia law. i think it's the muslim elite. they want their children to study in the united states and they want to have their bank accounts in the united states. they don't hate america. >> it's a love-hate relationship. >> they want to maintain their lifestyle that is the lead and only if they maintain their high lifestyle to create -- >> of course. you have to portray yourself as muslim and you got it.

>> the only difference is, i have respect for freedom of religion as long as the religion does not violate human rights of others. christianity is against homosexuality, but christianity christianity -- >> i don't know. >> they have a law that states anybody who becomes shall be killed. there is no law in christianity or judaism that says if anybody leaves the religion they should be killed. that is what i'm talking about. you are free to believe whatever you want to believe, but there is total intolerance to the extent of wanting to kill anyone who deviates from the

commandments of sharia. that is what i'm talking about. >> i don't know enough about christianity. >> christianity does not condemn anyone to be killed. >> good afternoon. my name is amy jones basque or in i'm former president of the patriot republican women's club. i have seen you before. your excellent and god bless you and protect you. two questions for you. we know that the dos and the dod have been impelled traded by muslims, who want to see the west weekend vis-à-vis muslim countries. the department of state, the department of defense. we hear various levels of generals talking about these issues. we also see big budgeted items to get money to the arab spring quote unquote. what can we do to communicate with our leaders at the state and local and national level that we oppose these efforts of appeasement and we see where

this is heading and we don't like the direction? >> unfortunately our government shows the consultants to be affiliated with the muslim brotherhood, so they are not, they are not stupid. they chose that unfortunately. i don't believe that the american media or the government is unaware of what i am talking about. i don't believe so because since 9/11 there have been so many books written and so many documentaries of information that is thrown on them, and for some reason they thought if they would stick their head in the sand and prevent there is no problem, it's a better policy than talking about it. or acknowledge inc. there is a problem. i believe this is the wrong

policy. i'm not saying we should attack muslims or we should be unkind to muslims. that is not what i am preaching. i am just saying that you don't have to go to the other extreme of supporting organizations that are muslim brotherhood, of sending money to the muslim brotherhood in egypt because every -- is stating america is our enemy and israel is our enemy. why should we send financial support to people who insist that we are their enemy? it is beyond me. we don't have to go overboard. >> thank you and one last thing quickly. you said the islamic state has within its own existence the seeds of its own destruction, which is what mark said of course about the capitalist culture, but we have not collapsed yet. what are the factors? if you say there are so many inherent things that keep the

islamic state going, to keep people ignorant and keep them from revolting in a true sense, how is that leading to collapse? >> that is the revolution and that is followed by tyranny. when mohammed died for instance, as soon as mohammed died in the seventh century 75% of the tribes who converted to islam by force by mohammad left islam and what happened is the minority of the people who inherited islam from ahamed, the leaders, discovered that islamic law had given them a lot of power and they conquered a lot of countries and they became very rich. so they went into arabia and had two near wars, warning their own people to come back to islam because this is the goose that lays the golden egg.

islam brought the life to arabia, a very poor, a very poor culture that no great conqueror even wanted to conquer. the two great civilizations in the seventh century was egypt and persia and the area of turkey. it was not arabia but arabia discovered the brilliance sharia law and the koran and they conquered all these nations at the low point in their history. and quickly gave them the sharia to rule by which was a very smart way to many leaders who thought it was a brilliant way to rule by, to make people obey them. so, islam was very, at that

time, but it's very attractive to many leaders who wanted a solution for obedience of the masses at that time. >> thank you. >> you are welcome. >> hi, my name is vanessa and i'm an intern at the clare boothe luce policy institute. my question is actually based on the happenings thus far with barack obama, the way he is handling foreign policy. do you think that he is a firm and accurate grasp on you no muslim religion? >> from his books and from what he says, he doesn't unfortunately. he has a lot of sympathy towards islam and a lot of you know closing of the eyes, apologizing a lot for things that we should have apologized for. where are the muslim leaders who

would stand and say, we apologize for 9/11? we did not do it directly but we have wrought up generations, thousands of young men who are ready to die just to blow themselves up. i haven't heard any apologies from the system from mohamed atta and all of these terrorists but unfortunately america looks at them as third world countries when they are not. you know, the west has to get off of this grandiose thinking that they are so sophisticated and other countries should be excused just because they are third world countries. third world countries can be as vicious and is oppressive and as tyrannical as any other country. first world countries should

tolerate third world countries. no. after 9/11, no. we have to have one set of rules for governing all countries. no country should have the right to attack other countries and every time they attack us we get an apology from obama. it's ridiculous, it's a joke. he apologize for the burning of the korans. that is a joke decodes saudi arabia, the government of saudi arabia officially, officially earned the koran so the shiites because they hate them. so the same government in the same country that earned the korans, saudi arabia, of the shiites, we are apologizing for some korans that were used for transmitting some information?

so i think obama is wrong. >> thank you. are welcome. >> hello. my name is jamie wallace. i am a texas tech graduate and an intern on the hill. i want to make sure before you assess question that i have the information quickly. the lousy recording i was reading the primary sources where the preset set forth from the koran are the prophet mohammed. a sec red? >> the law is directed a loss in sales. of course they are supported by the koran, but the book that i'm quoting from is called reliance of the traveler and stands by jordan and syria. >> so these practices you are talking about earlier are not found in the koran as things that you should practice as a

muslim? >> these are sharia laws. it's a law. it's a very legal term, but under the laws, they have explanations of why they have it in that book. you can get it, it's called reliance of the traveler. is sold on amazon. if you read cannot, all these laws, the shakes who wrote the laws in the eighth and ninth centuries, they wrote these laws. they wrote them after interpreting the koran, and they get their information from the koran from the high deed and the lifestyle of mohammed. after they write the law, then they justify it by quotes from the koran or the hadith or the lifestyle of mohammed. it is not the means justifying it. islam has already been interpreted. >> i just wanted to make sure that before you assess question.

>> just to comment on their question here, a lot of the apologists say, but you misunderstand the koran. you are misinterpreting it. well the koran and the hadith and the lifestyle of mohammed have already been interpreted and that is why we have sharia law. sharia law is the interpretation of the koran, not by me but my -- by the seven great imams. >> why would someone tell a first-generation u.s. muslim when she is born as a muslim and becomes more educated and finds out about these issues and asked how she can be a muslim but not have to practice those issues at the same time? >> how do they feel towards each other? >> most muslims don't reach a rea. i was a muslim and actually it's very discouraging to interpret

or ask questions or even read the sharia. if anybody there starts asking questions in interpreting the first thing they tell them is, who gave you the authority? how dare eucom into sharia. i was told that. when i wrote my book about sharia, i really was totally inherent about sharia and i had to study it for a year and a half. i had somebody to explain to me, a sharia expert because i did not want to rely completely on myself. i read everything and let me tell you, my jaw was dropped on every page. i could not believe it. that is why they have these. that is why we have --

and all the ends of muslim society go back to sharia and an fortunately sharia is already the interpretation of the great men of allah in the eighth century and the ninth century who wrote the sharia. islam had already been interpreted. >> thank you so much. >> you are welcome. >> good afternoon. my name is david bell and i'm from the leadership institute. thank you for coming today. what you have spoken about is very enlightening and i've enjoyed what you have to say however my question is basically about you stating that the middle eastern north african region or essentially the islamic state -- >> what? >> the north african region is pretty much imploding or at least predicted to to implode and he stated that the u.s. would be a casualty. >> hopefully if we are not careful.

>> i was just wondering if you could get more of an explanation of how the u.s. would be the casualty ended in combination with that, could you just identify how some future officials should approach the situation? thank you. >> thank you. very good question. in my last chapter which is called, house of cards, how islam is imploding. the way it saves itself is by expanding into new lands. so islam has already expanded into europe now and bringing the most direct elements in europe and america. we have a growing population of muslims who are now many of the leadership is calling for sharia. the application of sharia. we have to really look at all of this from history.

islam when it went to india, when it went to chechnya and parts of russia, parts of eastern europe, it was very benign at the beginning. it live lived more or less peacefully, but when islam became strong in the late 20th century, islamism became much stronger and all throughout history, when islam is strong, jihad had -- and when islam is weak, they don't. so let us see what the islamic minority is, what do they do when they are our minorities in the country? let's say in india. when muslims were a minority in india they insisted on having their own separatist movement. they wanted to live under their own government because they wanted to sharia and the general public said no, we don't want to live under sharia.

we cannot have the tools system and then they split and take a part of india and called that pakistan. but after a while, they are not happy with just pakistan. they want kashmir. they want more parts of india. restlessness. where for wherever unfortunately radical islam goes, it causes division in the country. it becomes like chechnya and russia. eastern europe, kosovo. they start wanting a separatist movement. we want to have our own legal system in our islamic state, because the ultimate goal of being muslim is to live under an islamic state. in europe now, i'm very worried.

we could end up having a chechnya and france. we could have a kosovo in england. we could have a chechnya in america in 50 years. by chechnya, i don't mean the real chechnya but this syndrome. i'm not saying all muslims want wanted but there a lot of muslims who have escaped sharia and i and one of them. but unfortunately and muslim organizations who are controlling a good portion of muslim organizations in america already demand sharia. they are fighting every bill in the united states that wants to make foreign laws illegal. they are spending a lot of money, now, today. that is not in 50 years. they are fighting me because i am trying to alert america about sharia.

eventually, if they congregate in one area, and they become very powerful from borrowing money from saudi arabia which is financing all of these groups and all of a mosques and all of the university departments of islamic studies and middle east studies. our campuses now are so anti-semitic and so intolerant. there is an apartheid israel apartheid state at every campus, every few months. i'm invited, come and help us. the jewish kids are feeling terrible. because our system now is gradually, our college campuses are becoming a little bit like the western -- they are not allowing the

freedom of speech of people like me. gradually, and it can happen, the next generation of americans -- this generation of americans my age, in 30 years we will not be here anymore. what is happening will be another generation of america who have been brought up with a lot of guilt about their country, have been brought up with an educational system that told them you are bad, you have heard the word. islam is a religion of peace and christianity is that. your constitution constitution should be changed. the american constitution is no longer -- it's an old document. it is not really good and we have the a generation coming out of america who are ready to hand their country over on a silver platter to whoever makes them feel more guilty.

in 50 years we can have a chechnya in america, which means we can have a population of muslims in a certain state or a certain area and they might say, the federal government will say it is our laws. okay they then we want to have a separate state. we want to call the state the islamist republic of michigan. if i say that people will laugh at me now. islam has done that in the philippines. there is a movement in the philippines. there some islands totally controlled by muslims in the philippines. the christian preachers who come to the philippines, they arrest many of them and use them as hostages for years and they want to separate from them in the philippines. it's not only in indiana and

chechnya and europe and the philippines. it's coming to europe. is already happening in europe. in england they give them sharia law. pretty soon there are some neighborhoods in france and england where the police are still scared to go in. that is what i'm talking about. we are splitting ourselves apart by giving a bloodline to a political system, an ideology that is so destructive, camouflaging as religion. >> thank you very much. >> hi. i'm a student at the masters college of california and in turn at aei this semester. i recently took a feminist class there a secular college and while they talked about all sorts of interesting issues, i noticed that there was an absence of addressing anything on any of the issues you talked about with sharia and the

women's issues with the islamic ideology, so i was just wondering if there is a way that we can, if there is a way that you suggest we can make people are aware of that and also fight back against some of the inconsistencies that i noticed even in the modern feminist american movement? >> thank you. that is a great question. unfortunately that modern feminist american movement doesn't even want to touch the problem of islam and the oppression of women. for many reasons. first of all, it's too big for them. the problem is too big. it also will divert their attention of their main goal, which is really -- their goal is anti-america, really leftist ideology more than a true feminist problem.

so another thing, the reason why they are not touching it is there is no feminist movement in the middle east in the muslim world so who are they going to support? most of the muslim women professors on college campuses were sent by saudi arabia to speak and they defend sharia and they defend islam so there is no feminist muslim movement that is a movement by people like you who are for muslim but there is no feminist muslim movement. women who call themselves muslims, still call themselves muslims, are not standing up and that is what i was saying. i was looking for posters in the revolution, during the revolution, that says we should have equal rights under the law. men should not beat us. american feminists are not finding an ally and i have a

whole chapter in my book talking about why we don't have a feminist movement. >> thank you. >> thank you. my pleasure. thank you. [applause] >> are watching 48 hours of nonfiction authors and books on c-span2's booktv. david welk he talks about one of the worst natural disasters in american history. 75 years ago the flooding of the ohio river caused over 400 deaths, ran over a million people away from their homes and caused more than a half a billion dollars worth of damage. little rock arkansas named for a rock formation on the banks of the arkansas river has a rich literary political history. booktv explored the area as part of our cities tour with the help of our local cable partner, comcast of central arkansas.

>> rushing water, thundering water, carrying destruction through the peaceful valley of the ohio where yesterday's river, flooding out of its banks eating man-made obstacles during his might against man in its works. >> it actually started northeast arkansas and right around new year's. we got a lot of heavy rain in the north-south flowing rivers that go into the mississippi. this is sharecropper country we are talking about here, where people are living on less than $200 a year, where they carry lucky bones in their pockets and wear red flannel next to their skin to ward off rheumatism. these are the people like you are getting hit first. all that rain over the next couple of weeks is going to

track right up of the ohio river all the way to, all the way to pittsburgh. by about the 24th of january, the ohio river is insane. than all that water is going to come back and hit northeast arkansas again, and so it's going to be completely out of hand. so the flood really turns into an absolute crisis about the 24th or so. they called the black sunday. it's when louisville was evacuated and paducah was evacuated. cities all across the ohio river were evacuated on black sunday, after about four weeks of rain. a rather bureau was not able to predict the weather very well. essentially, they could predict about 24 hours in advance but we didn't have satellite technology then. we didn't have as many weather stations. we didn't have as many river gauges and so there were almost going on instinct. they had very little information

and so one of the frustrating things for many people is that the flood forecast would change every day or many times a day. it was like walking up the staircase. every day the flood forecast gets higher and higher and higher. there were places where they were caught completely offguard and you had weather bureau workers moving the river gauges farther and farther inland before they got completely covered by the water. and so in the cities it was hard to tell in fact if it was coming. there was a lot of complacency and in many cities like louisville and paducah and elsewhere because they thought that they had already seemed a record flood, that the flood of 1913 or 1884 was as high as the river could ever get and the 1937 on average it went about nine feet higher than existing records. so we weren't as good as predicting floods them as we are now in a place like cincinnati

for example. the response was pretty good once they figured out there was going to be a flood. the wealthier parts of cincinnati are off on a love so they are floods that. down on the riverfront you have a lot of poor and working-class people. at first there was a lot of concern about the flood but once it got crazy in cincinnati, then the government did quite a good job of evacuating the areas that needed to be evacuated, getting control over the downtown area, rationing utilities, electricity and thinking water for example. cincinnati was the best-case scenario. and other places, the government basically just melted away. and paducah the government essentially ran for its life and you've you had a few neighborhoods up on high ground that basically govern themselves for a couple of weeks. in some places the relationship between the red cross and the

local government was very good and in some places you had in confidence local red cross chapters and government didn't work very well with them so there was more friction there. you really have to take it on a case-by-case scenario in terms of the local response. the federal government did an outstanding job with the flood. it is fortunate in a way that the flood happened during the depression because there was a ready source of labor available. this is the age of the conservation corps, the works progress administration and franklin roosevelt was very clear. he doesn't want red tape and he doesn't want bureaucracy and he doesn't care about regulation. if a community needs help, send in the wpa's and send in the ccc. they were absolutely crucial and rescuing people and getting them out of their homes, saving their possessions. there was a new deal agency called the resettlement administration which cared for

livestock, which would have just been wiped out otherwise. so they did an extraordinary job of relief. they also did an excellent job of letting the red cross do its work, of running refugee camps, caring for refugees. roosevelt was active in helping the red cross raise money for the crisis so during the flood itself, it was an exceptional response. the interesting thing, if you think about comparing 1937 to disasters today no one was saying, why hasn't franklin roosevelt come to see us in the flood zone? there was no expectation of a federal visit. we think about hurricane katrina and how much trouble george bush got in for just flying over the area. nobody expected roosevelt to come see the flood victims. on the whole washington did an extraordinary job.

it's really hard to determine the total damage estimates and two converted into today's dollars. it would run in the low billions by 1937 standards. there were towns that were completely wiped out, that never came back. grimm areas were devastated. drinking water supplies were poisoned. utility companies were put under water. so it's hard to add all that up and try to put a dollar sign on it. how do you put a dollar sign on all the days of work that were lost are all the rebuilding spent in private industry. it would have run into the billions even in 1937. >> what about loss of life? >> about 400 or so. very few of those from down -- drowning. there were only a handful of drowning deaths. most of them came from pneumonia

or influenza. a lot of these people who ran from the flood were rural sharecroppers, farmers. in many cases they had to trek through miles of open country to get to safety, to get to a refugee camp. many of them arrived without shoes, without hats. they would wrap a shirt or something around their head. they would come into these crowded concentration centers hacking and wheezing. most of the deaths were caused by pneumonia or influenza rather than drowning. there was a case in missouri where a barge full of levy workers went under and sank in about 25 people drowned from that incident. other than that you don't see a lot of drownings but about 400 deaths on the whole. after 1937 there was basically an exodus from the downtown areas. people moved out to the suburbs. they move to high ground but one of the things that happened

because of the 1937 flood, there were some flood control acts passed that provided federal money for floodwalls. when such floodwalls were built often they were completed until the 50s of the sixties or even the 70s. venues are to see a kind of riverfront revival, people moving back down, revitalizing the downtown areas. paducah is a great example of that. also you see communities, because of 1937, realizing that not only do we have to protect ourselves with a flood wall, there is some ground that just belongs to the river. a lot of those riverfront areas were cleared of housing and became parks. in louisville there is a beautiful park called waterfront park for obvious reasons. and so the impact of the flood and the recovery of the flood, it could take decades. in terms of coming home from refugee camps, that was often a

period of several months. it was often not until may or june of 1937 when people went home or got to see whether they had a home anymore. there is a federal program that is created that provides some rebuilding money, but most of it is coming from the red cross. and they are quite generous actually. i should say americans are generous in giving to the red cross and the red cross does a good job of getting that money to the people, not just for rebuilding their houses but there are cases where people lost artificial limbs and the red cross paid for a new artificial limb. so is really the red cross that is the hero here in terms of helping get people back on their feet and rebuild their properties. there is really no comparison to previous floods. there have been bad floods along the ohio river and have always

been. this is the first time that a flood hits a real industrialized ohio valley. in the 18 80s you don't have these big industrial cities in place so the damage is much greater, just because about that. it's a different country and the water is much higher. so in that sense, there is really no comparison. in 1927 you had a tremendous flood along the lower mississippi river that devastated parts of eastern arkansas and western mississippi, down to louisiana. it was a very different experience from 1937, not just because it hit different parts of the country, but because we had become a different country since then. in 1927 there was very little federal involvement. rescue and relief was left largely to the red cross and other private industries instead of the lost a fair government of calvin coolidge wear the