thousands of young men who are ready to die just to blow themselves up. i haven't heard any apology from the system that produced them. but, unfortunately, america looks at them as third world countries, but there are not. you know, the west has to get, you know, this grandiose thinking that third world countries should be excused just because there are third-world country. third world countries can be as efficient and as oppressive as any other country. there is nothing called, you know, first world countries -- know, after 9/11, no. we have to have one set of rules

to govern all countries. and no country should have the right to attack other countries. and every time the attack as we get an apology from obama is ridiculous. it's a joke. he apologized for the burning of the koran. that is a joke because saudi arabia, the government of saudi arabia officially, officially burned the koran's other shiite because they hate them. so the same government and the same country that burns the koran, saudi arabia, of the shiites, we are apologizing for some koran's that were used for transmitting some information? so i think obama is wrong. >> thank you.

>> hello. my name is jayme wallace. i'm a texas tech graduate and a congressional intern on the hill. i want to make sure have the correct information. the laws that you were quoting are the primary sources about -- by prophet muhammad is that correct? >> no, the laws themselves, of course they are supported by the koran, by the people who wrote the laws, not by me. but the book that i'm quoting from is called reliance of the traveler. >> so these practices that you're talking about earlier are found in the koran, things that you should practice as a muslim? >> no. these are sharia law. the law. it's a very legal term.

but under the laws they have explanation of why they have networks. you can get it. it's called reliance of the traveler. it is sold on amazon. if you read all these laws, those who wrote the laws in the eighth and ninth centuries, they wrote these laws. they wrote them after interpreting the koran, and they get their information, things of mohammad and the lifestyle of mohammad. and after the right the law, then they justify it. it has already been interpreted spirit i just want to make sure before ask this question. spent just a comment on your question here. a lot of the apologists think

but you are misunderstanding the koran, you're missing. welcome the koran and the lifestyle of mohammad have already been interpreted. that's what we are sharia law. sharia law is the interpretation of the koran. not by me, but by the seven great men who wrote the sharia. >> why would someone tell the first generation u.s. muslim when she is born as a muslim and becomes more educated and finds out about these issues and ask as she can be a muslim but not how to practice those issues? >> she can't practice it because it's illegal in america. >> how do they feel towards each other? >> they don't come most don't teach sharia. i was a muslim. it's very discouraged in egypt to interpret or ask questions, or even read the sharia. very discouraged.

he doesn't anybody dares to start asking questions and a trip of them, the first thing they tell them is, who gave you the authority? how dare you comment on the sharia. you are not achieve. i was thrown back. when i wrote my book about sharia, i really was totally ignorant about sharia. i have to study for a year and a half, and i had somebody to explain to me, a sharia expert, because i didn't want to rely completely on myself. i read everything. my job dropped at each page. i can't believe it. and why they have this. oh, my god, that's why we have not. oh, gosh your all the ills of muslim society go back to sharia. and, unfortunately, sharia is

already the indication of the great men of a lot in the eighth century of time in the country who wrote the sharia law. >> thank you so much. >> you're welcome. >> good afternoon. my name is david bell. i'm from the leadership institute. i thank you for coming today. what you have spoken about is very enlightening. however, my question is basically about you stating that the middle eastern north african region or essentially the islamic state -- >> but what? >> middle eastern, north african region. it's pretty much impose no early she predicted to implode and you state that the u.s. would be a casualty -- >> hopefully if we are not dead. >> i was when you get more of an explanation of how the u.s. would be a casualty, and in combination with that, could you

just identify how some future officials should approach the situation? thank you. >> very good question. in my last chapter which is called house of cards, how islam is imploding, but the way it takes itself is always by expanding in new lands. so islam is already expanding to europe now, and bringing the most radical elements in europe, in america, we have growing population of muslims who are now, many of their leaders is calling for sharia. we have to really look at all of islam history. islam want to go to india when it went to parts of russia, parts of eastern europe. it was very be nine at the

beginning. it was very, lived more or less peacefully, but when islam became strong in the 20th century, had power, islamism became much stronger. when islam is strong, and it had increased. when islam is weak, they don't, they -- so let's see, what islamic minorities, what do they do when they are minorities in the country? let's say in india. when muslims were a minority, they insisted on having their own separate government. they wanted sharia. the general public say no, we don't want to live under sharia. then they split and took a part of india and called it pakistan. but after a while they were

unhappy with that. they want kashmir. they want more parts of india. they are doing terrorism inside india today. wherever, unfortunately, the islam goes the causes divisions in the country. it becomes like chechnya. what do we see? kosovo. they start immediately. we want to have our own legal system and our state, our islam the state. because out of the goal of being a muslim is to live under an exact state. in europe now, i'm very worthy. we could end up having a chechnya and friend. we could have a kosovo in india.

we could have a chechnya in america in 50 years. by chechnya, what i mean this syndrome of, i'm not saying all muslims want this. a lot of muslims okay in escaping. i'm one of them. we don't want that. but, unfortunately, muslim organizations are controlling a good portion of the muslims already, already demanding. they are fighting every bill in any state that wants to make foreign laws difficult. they are spending a lot of money. now today, that's not 50 years. they are fighting me because i am trying to alert america about chechnya. eventually if they congregate in one area, and they become very

powerful from oil money from saudi arabia, which is financing all of these groups, all the university departments of islamic studies, middle east studies. and they're influencing the culture already. our campuses now are so anti-somatic and so intolerant of these, israel apartheid every campus, every few months i am invited, come help us, the jewish kids are feeling terrible. because our system now, our college campuses are becoming a little bit like the west bank and gaza. kind of like, not allowed to freedom, people like me. so gradually, and it can happen, the next generation of

americans, this generation of americans in 30 years will not be here anymore. what's happening is going to be another generation of america who have been brought up with a lot of guilt about their country. have been brought up with an educational system that told that you are bad, you the world. islam is a religion of peace, charity is bad. your constitution should be changed. american constitution is no longer, it's an old document, it's not really good. and we have a generation coming out of america you are ready to hand the country on a silver platter to whoever makes them more guilty. in 50 years we can have a chechnya in america, which means we can have a population, a majority population of muslims

in a certain state or a certain area, and they might say we want to live in sharia. the federal government will say no, it's against our law. okay, then we want to have a separate one. we want to call our state islamist republic of michigan. if i say that, people might laugh at me now. but it has happened in history many times. islam has done that in the philippines but there is a movement in the philippines. there's some islands totally controlled by muslims in the philippines. they killed the christian teachers who come to the philippines. they arrested many of them. they want to separate from the bigger philippines. it's not only in india, chechnya, european and the philippines. it's already happening in europe. in england, they give them sharia law.

they are doing their legal system, and pretty soon there's some neighborhoods in france and england where the police are too scared to walk him. that's what i'm talking about. we are splitting ourselves apart by giving a bloodline to a political system and an ideology that is so camouflaging as religion. >> thank you very much. >> hi. i am a student at the master college in california, an intern at aei this semester. i've recently took a feminist class through secular college, and while they talked about all sorts of interesting issues, i noticed that there was an absence of addressing anything from any of the issues that you talk about with sharia and the women's issues with the islamic ideology. so i was just wondering if there's a way that we can make

him if there's a way that you suggest we can make people more aware of that, and also fight back against some of the inconsistencies that i noticed even in the modern feminist american movement? >> thank you. that's a great question but, unfortunately, the modern feminist american movement doesn't even want to touch the problem of islam and oppression of women. for many reasons. first of all, it's too big, the problem is too big. it also will divert the attention of their main goal, which is really, there go is anti-male, anti-america, really leftist ideology, more than really a feminist, a true feminist problem. so another thing that the reason why they are not touching it is

the is no feminist movement in the middle east, in the muslim world. but who are they going to support? most of the muslim women professors on college campuses were sent by saudi arabia to speak, and they defend sharia and they defend islam. [inaudible] there's a movement by people like -- former muslims that there is no feminist muslim movement. islamists, women who call themselves muslim still call themselves muslim, are not standing up and that's what i was saying. i was looking for posters in the revolution, during the revolution, that said we should have equal rights under the law, men should not beat us. so americans feminists are not find it an ally, and i have a whole chapter in my book talking about why we don't have a

feminist movement anymore. >> thank you. >> thank you, and my pleasure. thank you. [applause] >> it's a little rock weekend on booktv. throughout the weekend here from several local authors, tour the city and learn about some lesser-known history. arkansas became the 25th state in 1836 and little rock was named the capital city. the air is best to bring the home of the clinton library, and little rock central high. >> rushing water, thundering water, caring destruction to a peaceful valley of the ohio. were yesterday for the friendly river, today may flood. i'm heeding man-made obstacles, the swollen river throws its might against man and his work. >> it started in northeast arkansas, right around new years

you're there was a lot of heavy rain, and the north-south flowing river, this is a sharecropper country we're talking about here where people are living on less than $200 a year where they carry lucky both in the pockets. these other people are getting hit first. and a run in early january, then all that rain over the next couple of weeks is going to track right up the ohio river, all the way, all the way to pittsburgh. by about the 24th of january, the ohio river is insane. then all that water is going to come back and hit northeast arkansas again coming so it's going to be completely out of hand. so the flood really turned into an absolute crisis about the 24th or so. they call the black sunday.

it's when louisville was evacuate, paducah was evacuated, cities all across the ohio river were evacuated on black sunday after about four weeks of rain. our weather bureau was not able to predict the weather very well. essentially, they could predict about 24 hours in advance but we didn't have satellite technology can. we didn't have as many weather stations. we didn't have as many river gauge. so they're almost going on instinct. they have very little information. and so one of the frustrating things for many people is that the flood forecast would change every day, or it many times a day. it was like walking up the staircase to everyday the flood forecast gets higher and higher and higher. there were places where they were caught completely offguard in good weather bureau workers moving the river gauges farther and farther inland before they got completely covered by the

water. and so in the cities the was hard to tell exactly what was coming. there was a lot of complacency in many cities, louisville, paducah and elsewhere, because they thought that they'd already seen a record flood, that the flood of 1913 or 1884 was as high as the river could ever get. and then in 1937, on average it went about nine feet higher than existing records. so we were not as good as predicting floods again as we are now, in a place like cincinnati, for example, the response was pretty good once they figured out there was going to be a flood. the wealthier parts of cincinnati are up on a bluff so they are flood safe. down on the riverfront you had a lot of poor and working-class people. at first there was a lot of concern about the flood, but once it got crazy in cincinnati, then the government did quite a good job of evacuating the areas that need to be evacuated, of

getting control over the downtown area, of rationing utilities, electricity, drinking water, for example. so cincinnati, that's kind of a best case scenario. and other places, the government basically smelted away. and paducah the government essentially ran for its life, and you had a few neighborhoods up on high ground that basically govern themselves for a couple of weeks. in some places the relationship between the red cross and the local government was very good. in some places you had in competent local red cross chapters, and the government didn't work very well with them and so there was a lot of friction there. so you have to take it on a case-by-case scenario in terms of the local response. the federal government did an outstanding job with the flood. it's fortunate in a way that the flood happened during the depression, because there was already source of labor

available. this is the age of the civilian conservation corps, the work in progress administration, and franklin roosevelt was very clear. he doesn't want red tape, he doesn't want bureaucracy, he doesn't care about regulation. it's a community needs help, it's going to sing in the wpa, going to send in the ccc. so they were crucial in rescuing people, getting them out of their homes, saving their possessions. there was a new deal agency called the resettlement administration, which cared for livestock, which had been just wiped out. otherwise, so they did an extraordinary job of relief. they also did an excellent job of letting the red cross do its work of running, refugee camps, caring for refugees. roosevelt was active in helping the red cross raise money for the crisis. so during the flood itself, it

was an exceptional response. the interesting thing if you think about comparing 1937 to disasters today, no one was saying why hasn't franklin roosevelt come to see us in the flood zone? there was no expectation of a federal visit. i think about hurricane katrina and how much trouble george bush got in for just flying over the area instead of actually being on the ground. nobody expected roosevelt to come see the flood victims. but on the whole, washington did an extra good job during the flood. it's really hard to determine total damage estimates and then to convert it into today's dollars. it would run in the low billions by 1937 standards. there were towns that were completely wiped out, that never came back. rural areas were devastated. drinking water supplies were poisoned.

utility companies were put under water. so it's hard to add all that up and tried to put a dollar sign on. how do you put a dollar sign on all the days of work or lost, or all the rebuilding expense to private industry? but it would have run into the billions, even in 1937. >> what about loss of life? >> about 400 or so, very few of those from drowning. there were only a handful of the drowning deaths. most of them came from pneumonia, or influenza. a lot of these people who ran from the flood were rural, sharecroppers, farmers. many cases they had to track the miles of open country to get to safety, to get to a refugee camp. many of them arrived without shoes, without hats, they would wrap a shirt or something around their head. and so they come into these crowded concentration centers hacking and we sing.

so most of the deaths are caused by pneumonia, influenza, rather than drown. there was a case in missouri were a barge full of levy workers wind under. about 25 people drowned from that incident. other than that you don't see a lot of guns, about 400 deaths on the whole. after 1937 was basically an exodus from the downtown areas. people moved out to the suburbs. they moved to high ground, but one of the things that happened because of the 1937 blood, there were some flood control acts passed that provided federal money for floodwalls. once those floodwalls were built, often not completed until the '50s or '60s or even the '70s, then you start to see a kind of riverfront revival of people moving back downtown, revitalizing downtown areas. paducah is a great example of that.

also you see communities, because of 1937, realizing that not only do we have to protect ourselves with the flood wall, there's some ground that just belongs to the river. and so a lot of those riverfront areas were cleared of housing and have become parks. in louisville there's a beautiful park called waterfront park, for obvious reasons. and so the impact of the flood and the recovery of the flood, it could take decades. now, in terms of coming home from refugee camps, that was often a period of several months but it was often not until may or june of 1937, and people went home or got to see whether they had a home anymore. there is a federal program that is created that provides some rebuilding money, but most of it is coming from the red cross. they were quite generous. i should say americans are generous giving to the red cross and then the red cross does a

good job of getting that money to people, not just for rebuilding their houses, but there are cases where people lost artificial limbs and the red cross paid for a new artificial limb. and to which was the red cross that is the hero here in terms of helping to get people back on their feet, and rebuild their properties. there's really no comparison to previous floods. there have been bad floods along the ohio river and always has been since there has been in ohio river, but this is the first time that a flood it's a real industrialized ohio valley. in the 1880s, you don't have these big industrial cities in place, so the damage is much greater just because of that fact. it's a different country, and the water is much higher your so in that sense there's really no comparison. in 1927 you had a tremendous flood along the lower

mississippi river that devastated parts of eastern arkansas and western mississip mississippi, down to louisiana. it was a very different experience from 1937, not just because it hit different parts of the country, but because we become a different country since then. in 1927 there was very little federal involvement. rescue and relief was left largely to the red cross and other private industries. instead of a vase a fair government of calvin coolidge, we had acted as governor of franklin roosevelt. so you have that kind of army of federal workers who can go in place, save lives, save property. and so, the difference comes from the fact that we learn from 27, but also we have a very different philosophy of government in place. i think about 2011, we had flood levels on the ohio river and that were in some places comparable to 1937, but we

didn't have mass evacuations. we didn't have that kind of damage that we had in 37. and that's because of the floodwalls that were put in place after 1937. it's also because there is now a series of reservoirs upstream where the ohio begins, its tributaries begin, they can anytime of flood hold back water, retain water and keep it from adding to the flood. and so really a modern ohio valley since 1937, towns as they are, the river as it is, the flood protection as it is, it all comes from this depression era incident. >> up next on book tv, james scurlock, author of "king larry" recounts the life of larry hillblom. he disappeared in 1995 off the coast of anatahan in the western pacific. this is just over an hour.

>> thank you very much. thank you to bookpeople and c-span, and thank you all for coming to talk about "king larry: the life and ruins of a billionaire genius," which businessweek has compared both to an elmore leonard caper and also called a trashy analogue to walter isaacson biography of steve jobs. king larry becomes on may 21, 1995 which, if you're in the states was about halfway through the o.j. simpson double murder trial. but on saipan was a very beautiful sunday morning. and a small plane, a vintage plane took off from the airport there were two very important people on board. one was the speaker of the house of the commonwealth of the northern mariana islands, and the other was larry hillblom, who is better known as the h. in dhl.

the plane was going to when the northernmost islands but nobody was quite sure why they thought he was interested in building an eco-resort there where they would like us and cori. but regardless, the plane every turn. this wasn't a particularly big surprise because he was known to buy really crappy airplanes. and to not maintain a. in fact, one of the islands they float over on the way had a crash, an airplane that hillblom had crashed about a year and a half before and nearly killed himself and. so number of his friends had declined to make the trip with him that morning, and no one was terribly shocked that this plane had also gone down. however, it was a real shock that larry hillblom was suddenly gone. he had arrived in saipan 15 years before and he had become larger-than-life character in the mariana islands. he had bought the bank.

he bought the airline. he bought the television and radio stations. he built dozens of businesses, including a pawn shop and had been a bartender. so he was very well-known, and the sort of a mythos about hillblom that which is incompatible with him being dead. but when they went to search for him to find two other bodies. they found upon it and they found the speaker of the house. but hillblom's body was never recovered. so this sort of further the sense of disbelief, but they had to bury them in debt. he was lost at sea. a few days later, hundreds of people flocked to california to pay their last respects. it is a little town in a central valley of california. it's just south of cinema which is the raising capital of the world. about 20 minutes south of fresno. it's a peach farming town. but hundreds of people, including members of the saudi royal family and princes and

ceos of major corporations and billionaires as was normal citizen, dhl drivers and friends from college to send on this tiny little booth in church to pay their respects. they are surprise because what he also started by talking about each other is that larry was not at all said he was. he had, for example, told people that his father was a bank robber who was electrocuted at san quentin. now they find out talking to his high school friend that mary's father was a rupert who died of heat stroke when he was two years old. larry had told him he was a captain of the football team in kingsburg. they find out he was not the captain of the football team, but he was a 130-pound linebacker who got his contact lenses not that so frequently that the picture in his senior yearbook is of the football team on anthony's on the field searching for larry hillblom's contact lenses. they find out he was at this jock and displacement in the

sort of brilliant charismatic person that they had assumed he would be, but is actually a very awkward kid who was raised in the church and obsessed with howard hughes. as one of larry's friends back there told me, this guy summer after where the buses don't go. that was their impression of larry. he furthered this impression by saying really odd things to people, like his best friend he told he was going to make a lot of money and the far away, never talk to them again. which is best friends, larry thought this was totally acceptable thing to say. he told him that he's going to make a lot of money, and are a catholic or because catholics don't get divorced. he didn't want to give half of his fortune to a catholic girl, or two, you know, to a woman. he told them there is times who want to be an actor and then he decided he wanted to be an evangelist so he would study jimmy swaggart led me. he got the picture to block out

everything but his eyes to study how this man to manipulate and hypnotize people with his eyes. and he also vilified his mother, for some reason. he would tell friends about all these wonderful things that his mother would do for them like a right. she actually drove him to law school his first year because he wanted to keep his job at the camera in kingsburg which is about a three and a half hour drive back and forth. and he would say, you know, she did all these great things for me, the bitch. like he had this very odd way of talking to people. he goes to boalt hall law school in berkeley which is a hotbed of the antiwar movement and the feminism and sexual liberation movement, and is eccentricity continued. he ridicules the protesters sang the more people die on the highways and car crashes than in

vietnam, going to war. he ridicules jane fonda and joan baez and thinks it's ridiculous anyone would care what an actress or a singer thanks. and in classiest totally inscrutable. if professors can't even understand them because larry believes that the law should be a function of business. law should be structured to help businesses succeed. so back to the memorial services, his college friends and law school friends in high school friends and people he knew in saipan are talking to each other. they do realize that the couple of common things in larry's life. he is very, very stubborn, and the other is that he is a master at manipulate people to do what he wants them to do. and this is really how larry eventually made his great fortune. he became a courier his last year of lost with a little outfit out of l.a. called mpa, and he would fly from san francisco to los angeles every

evening after he picked up documents from insurance companies and banks in san francisco, the bay area, and then you would drop them off in l.a., spend the night at lax sleeping on shared or wherever, pick up whatever needed to go to sentences for the next morning, take the earliest flight out of the back that afternoon in time to go to class. i.t. realizes there's a huge market for this because at the time it really on the post office delivering mail and documents and doing a very bad job of it. they're very slow and very unreliable. so the summer after he graduates from a boalt hall he runs into the salesman from this little courier out there, adrian, a silver tongued ladies man, 55 years old, very smooth talker. and they decide they will start their own business and the defense of this great demand for express carriers. he gets another guy, robert lynn imposes a real estate investor going to provide the money.

because they're both pretty much broke. they incorporate in septembe september 1969 and lynn drops out because the others can't stand each other. they're complete opposites and only do is argue that it's clear this thing is going to be a total disaster. which it is for the first year. they don't have any money. larry is the only person available to be a courier. so he is living on coffee and methamphetamines and going back and forth between l.a. and honolulu. is either living on a porch on a friends couch or in a station wagon. he is dumpster diving for food, some of the time. and they're just unable to really sign up declines to me. they can get insurance. but the idea is so strong and it's such a great, they're such a great demand for their product that eventually dall sees magic begins to work and to get bank of america, they get the federal

reserve, they get shipping lines, they get ibm. and suddenly it's just taking off because no one can believe that dhl can actually pick up their documents one afternoon, and the next morning before the office across the country or across the pacific ocean is open, the documents are there. it's just mind blowing. this is five years before fedex. so word gets around and dhl just starts to take off. larry has this odd charisma that gets people to work for free and to get people to rally around the cars, and he carries chairman mao's red book around with them. he's convinced is it a master at manipulating people, which is. in one year, their second year of business, sales go up 1000% since taking off-line crazy. but that attracts attention. first attracts the attention of the fbi because the fbi is

hearing about all these people flying for free. it sounds like maybe they are buying something maybe they shouldn't be. so the fbi since two agents out to figure out if this is a drug running operation or something. eventually the fbi agent become convinced and then they become couriers because they can believe what a great deal it is. dhl gets attacked by lewis which is a much bigger outfit out of seattle. they get attacked by the nixon administration. they are attacked by the post office, not just in the u.s. but around the world because they are doing something that is really considered illegal. the post office is supposed to have a monopoly on delivering mail. but larry just wins every time. he starts to have this kind of uncanny knack for beating all of his competitors. so by 1981, 12 years into dhl is the fastest-growing company in in the world. larry is bored out of his mind. he does not want to run a cover.

he wants to be howard hughes. he wants to be behind the scenes pulling strings. he does not want to be sitting in board meetings and sitting behind a desk and doing the typical things that a businessman would be required to do. and he discovers this little island in the western pacific called saipan, which is very beautiful but it's also bizarrely magical place in that you get 95% of your federal income taxes rebated there. and alleges things this is the most amazing thing he's ever heard about in his life. so he immediately moves there and goes about becoming a citizen. he buys these businesses. he runs for office, and loses. but he eventually gets appointed as a supreme court justice on the item and gets to know all the politicians and offers up his legal services for free. which means he can write the laws on banking and real estate and all these other really fun things. that also happened to benefit him.

now he is coming under attack from the fbi again, which she's some sort of insinuating himself into this commonwealth of the united states, and they see him during of the islander politicians against the u.s. the u.s. has this covenant relationship with saipan and the marianas, where they're supposed to really maintain control, but larry doesn't want the feds come in and auditing his tax returns, or exercising any authority over him. he wants their hands off of his island. so now he's got a new cause which is independence for the mariana islands, and he has new enemies. who decide to move to saipan because his heard about this 95% tax rebate, and he held a press conference announcing that he is going to move computer land to

saipan, take advance of the tax break and not pay any income taxes, which drives larry crazy because larry wants to keep us all under wraps and he knows it's going to attract the attention of the reagan administration and congress and they will go crazy. soleri stays up all night and rewrites the tax code. he was just captured two months ago in the cayman islands after 25 years on the lamb. he also mixes it up with frank lorenzo, the chairman of texas air, but no airlines in eastern airlines, and the most feared corporate raider of his day when they both want to buy air micronesia which is the local air carrier there. so they go to battle, and larry ends up bringing lorenzo to his knees so well that he forces the lorenzo to personally give him his ps onepass which is the card that allows the ceo to fly on any airplane anywhere in first

class, even if someone has to be yanked out of the seat in order for them to do so. and larry just once again has this amazing ability to beat these much larger adversaries, for reasons that are elucidated in the book, but eventually larry attacks and other enemies including a local attorney who is more sort of altruistic with the islanders cause who really thinks maybe larry is not quite he appears to be, and maybe there's a lot more self interest going on in larry's seduction of the politicians and buying all these businesses out there. and also the owner of a tv station out in guam who gives larry the title king larry, and sort of ridicules his pretending to be this great personages riding the laws for free, exactly someone with a nefarious

motive with a great deal of power over these people. and, finallypeople. and, finally, larry attracts the ire of the state department because they hear he has started to invest in vietnam which is illegal under the trading with enemies act. which he was actually in 1991, about 10 years after he got to saipan, larry became bored with that and vietnam had been a naturally attractive place for guy like him because it was illegal for him to be your. he loved because he loved anything he wasn't supposed to be. it was virgin territory because americans were not allowed there. he started going there and had to be so secret at the time because he actually was brought in the trunk of a car across the border because it was illegal for americans to do business. so when larry died, there were some investigations including a grand jury that was looking into his activities in vietnam. but after he died, after the

plane disappeared and some people still think he is alive, so we should say he disappeared, another investigation began. that was of larry's life. there are a lot of rumors, and i don't, it's not very difficult for rumors to spread. larry had told people, he told a friend he slept with over 250 virgins. he had told his law school professor who is now the dean of boalt hall, he was terrified of its. he told his surgeon a come over with his wife while they're in a strip club and let us try to get the surgeon to take a growing front of his wife, which was kind of a larry thing to do, but that he just did this all the time and he actually -- to vietnam and manila and took some of them on a tour of his extracurricular activities. explaining that he could tell girls were virgins if he took them into the shower at his hotel and he knew how to use the shower because these girls were

so poor that obviously if he knew how to do use indoor plumbing they been in a hotel before. or they been with a westerner before. why do the investigations of his sex life matter? well, larry's will, although he's a lawyer and he was surrounded by lawyers, was 11 pages long, double space, and all said was don't pay any tax and set up a trust, give my money to medical research, preferably at the university of california. so because there was no of our four children, if you could prove that larry hillblom had a child, you were his child, you would inherit his estate, which at the time included most of dhl, and assets variously valued at close to $1 billion. so now the stage has been set for a battle between the state of california, which thinks that it is going to get hundreds of $90 for medical research, and larry's friends who in theory at

least want to honor his final will and testament and his wishes, and a bunch of strippers and prostitutes from southeast asia and they're very young children, one of whom -- [inaudible] >> this event was hosted by bookpeople bookstore in austin, texas. to find out more visit bookpeople.com. >> you've been watching booktv, 48 hours of the programming beginning saturday

morning at eight eastern through monday morning at eight eastern. nonfiction books all weekend every weekend right here on c-span2. >> here's a look at what's ahead on c-span2. next, they communicate with congressman greg walden. >> this week on "the communicators" a look at cybersecurity privacy and spectrum issues before the house with representative greg walden of oregon. he chairs the energy and commerce subcommittee on communications and technology. >> host: this week on "the

communicators" joining us is representative greg walden. congressman walden serves as chairman of the commerce subcommittee on communications and technology. we appreciate you being on "the communicators." >> guest: delighted to join you again. thank you. >> host: start with an issue that is currently working its way through congress, and that is cybersecurity, was fast tracked innocent and has had some hearings in the house. would you stand on the various bills are. >> guest: first of all, cybersecurity issues pose one of the single biggest threats to our nation's security. i think consumers to businesses to the government, we are seeing this enormous loss of intellectual property whether it is for businesses or theft of government secrets, and just then all the malicious things that happened, the hacking, the theft of services money, whatever. so we had a couple of hearings in taking vacations and technology subcommittee. we have a third ago of government agencies. what we got out of those hearings from the witnesses,

almost across the board was first, do no harm. second, the more you try to prescribe, especially in statute or regulation, very specific things that we should do out here in industry and around, the more you give the bad guys a roadmap that they will simply drive around, b, you'll miss allocate capital, c, you'll put us very far behind what we are attending do. after the first inning or two i've put together a worker, bipartisan, six members of our subcommittee come and said what you all do a deep dive and report back by the end of this month on what you find? and i think basically what they came back was that minimal intervention is best, voluntary guidelines or best. that's why the reportage is came out from the fcc group made a lot of sense i think. and if there is an issue where we can be helpful, is more along the path of the figh bipartisan.

there may be some things on the side and certainly the mccain bill is probably better than more prescriptive lieberman bill, but the country needs to come together and i think from what i learned at the hearings, and i think a bipartisan group on her subcommittee, do no harm, don't try and have tsa for the internet if you will, the houses all over the government agency will write rules and regulations that are outdated the second being draft. >> host: so you agree with lee terry who's on the show last week that he was emphatically against? >> guest: again i get back to every witness we heard from said do no harm. do not think you can get ahead of this and law things in regulation will in statute but you will miss allocate capital. you have is filling out paperwork and doing all the stuff while the bad guys are working right around us. and so be very, very careful. and i think they're right.

they have every economic incentive to stop the malware, to stop the bots, to protect cybersecurity. to be up front and be innovative. so when what we want to do is create a system that encourages that dynamic response and interaction. the private sector initiatives to try to keep them out focused in front and not held back by too much government involvement. >> host: joining us is our guest report is tony of the politico. >> thanks or have me. to continue on the path is cybersecurity. you've alluded to this in talking about the lieberman-collins versus the mccain bills in the senate. that what responsibly should this critical infrastructure, those power plants and water systems that our team so critical to the way that we live, should they have to live up to some kind of different level of security standards and who should set the standards? >> guest: that's a good question. in the house with adequate act that with tucker fletcher, a couple years ago, passed through

in retrospect it may be a better way to do the great tactic but you do have a diverse set of issues, especially comes to the power grid it's a. now you're talking about switches and relays in critical infrastructure, especially on that site. and i think one or has a process, whether it goes to first. again it gets back i think the same principle applies. they don't set standards that hold back innovation and dynamic reaction. encourage better communication, and it may be that there has to be some stand on the electrical sides in terms of you are building up all the smart grid technology now. every one of those smart grid devices is a portal to the entire grid. and so i think you get down to can we encourage best practices, developed and evolved on a dynamic basis on energy side, waterside, et cetera. >> it sounds as if you are saying let's wait and see, let's its industry can develop this on their own.

if they don't we can revisit it, or do you see a different interaction? >> guest: i think there's a role for nerc and ferc to be talking. and again, for then think you have this access to critical information, and is there some of the other agencies see something coming, they have a direct line of communications, and there's a build to have the global information grid the other thing you run into is not to violate antitrust rules are some of the other rules that normally would apply if you're sharing information back and forth. give me have some privacy issues there. so we have to be thoughtful about what stops vacuum indication from happening. what are the best practices. and the process to just about summed up well in terms of the rest of the internet, and i think that's a good model. >> you mention privacy. what you do balance be between information sharing and privacy? how'd you take care of the concerns of groups like aclu that's a summit of those out there don't do enough to predict

the average american. >> guest: that is the challenge we face. i do know that we have it all sorted out yet clearly. but it is this fine line between my private information which i think should, i think the notion that employers can go demand your passwords, i mean really? for your facebook. or your e-mail or whatever. i think that is outrageous. and so i think there are clear lines and there are more blurred lines. but the information we got back to the scene is pretty close that most of these providers are saying we are fighting this war at the on the internet every day. reminds me of the movie "men in black," the whole war going on that most of us never had to worry about. it's going on the internet as we sit here. the attacks are very devastating. and we are warned the next 1218 months america will suffer a catastrophic cyber attack, they don't use those words indiscriminately. we are already for five months into that warning very. it tells me that we have to move rapidly but not in a way that

either violates privacy or the basic tenets of privacy. and that encourages quick reaction, not sort of regulatory environment. >> host: chairman walden, just to take a different attack on privacy, google has a new set of privacy guidelines. do you have concerns about those? did you talk to google at all? >> guest: we have had a lot of discussion. it's in the subcommittee more than money. what we are looking at as it relates to the agencies, so i think, you know, i guess i'm old-fashioned in a lot of ways. i always thought my phone calls my phone call and shutdown of a court order to listening. i read something the other day where one of these groups is talking about being able to listen in to the background noise of your phone call.

i don't know what taking here in the background but it could make interesting ad coming for. and i don't think it's appropriate. so i think people are starting to wake up and realize on facebook, the things they posted on the public side can affect their job and whether, you know, as potential employers at another way to do public background check. so i think this issue is emerging now more and more users are starting to go wait a minute, what are you saying and doing? i also believe that the internet community as it showed on the sofa debate the rise up and slapped on it provide that crosses the line. you have seen that happen when different of these providers have tried different things using your day. the internet community is pre-powerful, pretty i job, and pretty effective when they feel like their rights are being misused. and so i think you will see, and that's what i prefer to see is the sort of user community really have the power and not

have the government try and start mandating and regular in the internet. i think that gets dangers. and then leak into the notion going on at the u.n. through the i.t. about who controls the internet. you know, we have to be careful what we do here is not used against us there. the last thing we want is the united nations controlling the internet. >> to continue on privacy, you mentioned the news story on facebook and have some employers are asking for applicants usernames and passwords is that one of those areas that congress should consider getting involved in? is that something that needs to be sorted out elsewhere? >> guest: i think we have bigger fish to fry than that, frankly. but it did think it is worth having the discussion and express their own personal opinion on. because really individual employers doing things that seem a little over the edge. i don't know you need to pass some new statute and prescribe what employers can and can't ask fo