went to give thomas an opportunity. a combination of a lot of work on his part, sacrifices as well as those are close to him. his better half. i want him to a college

those people here. >> guest: thank you. the turn out to is overwhelming. can you hear me? if you heard me this morning i've loved it question. it is out of the way. i want to quickly ignore alleged those who are here and who did reporting. the first day the reporters got together those who wrote adjoined me are here tonight. , fantastic reporters who did digging together. also demanded made the short film about the

ted -- chancey murder. it is a fantastic piece of war. the editor of the project record notes are hate being in a museum. michelle kept to be in line would walk away by did not shut up and listen to her. wise a vice. also is my wife jennifer open the past 37 months could tolerate be working on this book with a tight deadline also with the couple of kids so i cannot

think hurt enough. >> host: outstanding. it is appropriate to start the evening with their reading from the book. >> guest: this is from the prologue. just 2.2 ted the elder in a better perspective during the past 35 years ago could have grown numb and afraid of the yusuf ali bey family. part front door wide ranging criminal enterprise-- ran by a the patriarch who had

reinvented himself as dr. yusuf ali bey. if followed the temple of america which had say a version of islam. rather than stevens it was a title down as just bey. bey was blessed of a sober talk of a natural minister. many followers said he you was godlike to end observer he was a co-leader. each week on the television show true solutions which he paid to broadcast locally they repeated the black muslim belief.

of 1930 that the man had traveled from the holy city of mecca to detroit to arriving july for the dancing he had come to find a lost tribe in the wilderness of america leading members to salvation to the true religion of islam. elijah muhammed was the leader in the man in the complete segregation from the rosie and the rest of society. the images of men in dark suits and bow ties standing at his side it was the science of deception the whites used to deceive others. referring to people of color including native americans

come african americans and asians. and spewed anti-semitism. he said christianity was nonsense. like elijah muhammed day babbled about a mad scientist who created the caucasians and jewish white doubles. howl of bio wide mother played orbited the year preparing to and then late the devils of the apocalypse negative apocalypse that would put the asiatics back in their place they were stocks, also a unambiguous to apply it day supply of violence with those positions he articulate a weekly we don't turn and

other cheek but if you put a firehouse -- fire hose on my mother i will kill you until you die. if you do so i can sit on a toilet next to you. you are out of your cotton picking mind. you are not ordinary people. black is dominant caucasian as scientist for evil. bey never moved beyond the dogma of the '60s. much was rhetoric. it was from the original racist message itself backlash centuries of white oppression. >> thank you. when they noticed is a significant amount of historical context. you examined even before the

black movement began, what is the purpose to have that much historical context? >> i wanted to get to the route to of the belief the nation of islam had very little to do other than a common name with traditional or orthodox islam. the mormons that are the truly american religion. a belief system that came about in the united states. a want to exploit -- explore we're the believe system came from.

that took laidback to fraud and the temple man and the question of who are the people that are susceptible to what they are preaching? that required an examination slave descendants and what those conditions and the general sense levying the south was not leaving racial oppression. >> unnoticed that amount of historic call context. use spend several chapters with the conditions of the street and the formation of world war i and the

depression. how did the racism of that period allowing farrad to carry this religion? >> mihm sure you know, about the great migration and the fantastic book the warmth of their sons broke the trait and o'quinn is a good parallel the migrants to lead to to detroit that the time of the first world war and those who came to oakland to work in a shipyard after roosevelt desegregation order, both instances they looked around

and said when do they go back south? we don't need that many more. there were surprised to discover no one wanted to go back. in the jury to that was a quick ghettoization of african-american and factory workers. after the second world war sending people to recruit cops because the white power structure thought the of new way they could control the ghetto was to have said their crops who knew how to do that. i found languages newspaper

from goodie trait news about fed data was asian they literally had 850 solution for those factory jobs $5 per day. conditions in these rate especially at the start of the depression went bad very, very quickly because there the first to boost their job and the city was

very intolerant to provide aid or any social help. michigan ended up with the largest client population. not alabama at, mississippi, michigan. surveying for about two years and was recalled from office but the conditions were absolutely horrendous. >> that was the ground for white supremacist. >> the game of it as a black city it is ironic to think of that environment. that had the klan members skyrocket. >> tell us more about the man oakland referred to of

yusuf ali bey and how he refers to the religion. >> u.s.-born in texas. cotton town. as a very infamous on a welcome to green build the blackest land and the widest people. people say if this will for cotte 10. and they denied any racial intent. african-americans took the sign differently there was a very tragic and a horrible

mentioned. it was very typical horrible story. a white woman claims she was raped. the sheriff went out the african-american to occur tried to go down to the jail but the mob got him and led him on fire. burning of the negro smith with the date written on the photograph. that is the place the stephens family came from. for them came out 1942

apparently he was good but the family moved around a lot right after the war ended his wife left him the divorce papers said savage beatings. you went to technical high-school then went to the year for us. new with a huge fire in st. louis the great historical loss. down in santa barbara readying a hair salon. the man who became yusuf ali bey was a hairdresser. he was quite good at it.

all the women in santa barbara wanted him to do their here. he was fantastic. southern california was a hotbed and 1962 there was an incident at a mosque in los angeles and l.a.p.d. was itching to get them. they confronted two guys in suits. the cops pushed them around and started a fight. word got back to the moscow was a huge fight a rookie police officer planted the fed than at him and shot him through the heart.

they word charged with assault malcolm x is still a to leave iraq that point* and he wanted to live up to the rhetoric to rally the bet and take it to the lapd. muhammed said no. elijah said no. we fight with the newspaper. he said we cannot beat the double through the war but we can attack them with a newspaper. they increased their circulation.

eventually they reach santa barbara and justice stevens brother told the story at a conference in chicago his mother said we have to go to los angeles to see what the muslims are all about. they fell into the nation of islam. true believers running their own mosque in santa barbara. this ad chapter in that book writing a letter to chicago and a couple weeks later

some halla man got into their apartment and shot them dead and center bart representative police came down with a thorough investigation putting pressure on the stephens brothers that they closed the mosque in returned to oakland. at the time the mosque the bay area and san francisco. the minister did not like these guys. he also did not like the fact they were taking over a piece of the bay area. oakland was his territory.

they went back and forth with chicago. you can have lost their but those are the people in charge. they did not like that. especially justice stevens. he wanted to run his son show also to make money. all money flowed to chicago. some could barely afford the 10 or 15%. they had to pay out first. elijah muhammed, a stevens wanted nothing to do with that. he wanted his money.

he split from his brother. he was a baker and the black muslims the best they he talked about was nutrition and health the baked goods. they had split in joseph started a bakery and it did incredibly well movies further up the street to where the bakery was. to decide he would not share that many with chicago. changing his name to yusuf ali bey and the split. he would practice the dogma but it is equated to the

baptist preacher splitting the still preaching the principal. >> creating his own franchise. we learn about the man who calls himself dr. bey. he did not have those credentials but now going into chauncey you go into this speech impediment how the overcame it with no therapy or treatment. that passage was very and 92 ehud chauncey became her read a little bit about that. >> from chapter 11, chauncey

bailey was better looking at the house of the newspaper subscriber. by the time the words were out she was halfway down the block. the left over the door. hurry up. chauncey will lead step out. bridget drove him on his route and was so busy rushing between her own jobs as addition anders she did not have time to wait to to do by a bicycle. the younger brother was in the back seat folding papers and chauncey did not want to make a mistake. as a youngster heeded the white people would use any

excuse to express dissatisfaction about a black person. one customer ask why some little -- a word in the book will not say comedy and word was making deliveries. the paper supported chauncey but he knew he had to do of better job than the white kids. but the station reagan was always in reverse. he would say you skipped one. it happens so often the family members call him skip the. this is followed by family history but i will jump over that in him overcoming the speech impediment. people that he was withdrawn

and shy nonetheless the embarrassment and frustration were sent and became more but no day sure deal as a creative outlet chauncey to a two rating he had things to say it in the midst of a growing awareness during the height of the civil-rights movement and images show black people being beaten covered trying to figure out what he could do to help. seeing how much people were on the newspaper to decide the future was in journalism

to say a subscriber of said day the review complained about the newspapers complained about the little edward he muttered wait until one rights for it. one day at 17 the stuttering stock. no medication or know there be. he woke up and never stuttered again. he was free. now nobody could shut them up. >> to that end as that was reported as a reporter he is

more in death they add in life. chauncey was not an investigative reporter but communities journalist. he filled up the newspaper everyday. those of us in journalism out how the liable this people are. chauncey sauce stories everywhere. the 38 u.k. call him the most prominent black investigator which is an overstatement.

it demeans the reporter and the value that he was. he would show up at a kids track meet with a camera to take the picture of something positive the children word doing. they he could get it down and get it and. a good basic reporter who was wired into the community that he covered. neighborhoods got coverage that has not been repeated cents it was to diminish with the type of genoa some

it is a challenge with a connection and the thais would he brought to the table. >> yusuf ali bey got into it and talk about chauncey evolution as a journalist, talk to us about devondre. >> he killed two people in extremely violent ways with an assault rifle and of shotgun.

how the ended up at the bakery and where he came from is incredibly tragic. there is a strong indication his mother was doing her when -- here when while in euro and born seven weeks premature. his mother was it out of present within one year of birth and in and out of institutions and foster homes and developed a workable stutter never could overcome it.

going back on drugs. >> that one played to he had a chance that his mother was involved with was calloway. he could not be to more of a down to earth%. when devondre mother webex to present their went through the process of being gay foster father. there was said brief period of time considering where

they came from that was a great achievement. he could have made it just on the cusp of making it off the street somehow and then one day she got out of jail and wanted her son back and he was back to see a princess go and with it a couple weeks his mother and grandmother were ready-made a crack house. and it turns out he had called them and turned 10 as the mother she went back to

prison but he did not go back. ended up on the streets of san princess go halloween night 2004 around the church street station, one kid some ways said we should take the ipod. devondre came across the train car beat a kid down and stomped on him and surveillance camera he takes off turns out to be the nephew of the four recipients is go supervisor who knew every police commander in town.

apply pressure and 10 days later he was picked up. pleaded guilty and spent the year in jail. got out after his 18th birthday with no education and a felony conviction. and attachment problems of the was bounced around. >> he had a phone number? >> he ran into a guy named richard louis . he was in on a homicide he would be acquitted because of a technicality. during the time richard lewis was there he had a cell mate.

he was taking those people to a strip club. then yusuf ali bey got his bmw and then he met to richard louis . he tucked yusuf ali bey iv then he got bail and just as he got out, he said said to me some soldiers. then they said what will you do? they have no answer. he gave them the

phone-number. a couple-- later devondre called yusuf ali bey for up and said you hiring? can i get a job? they picked them up been drove them to the bakery but to ask a couple more questions before restart, do not ask the question until the microphone is in front of you. i want to touch on yusuf ali bey iv.

he was under suspicion for having sex with underage girls. take us back just before he passed and how his child rearing came to refer to himself as the prince of the bakery. >> we all know yusuf ali bey ended up with 40 or 50 children. the documented member is 43. people say it is higher. he left his name off of most birth certificates and denied paternity broke he

ordered the when the new board his children to apply for public assistance as unwed mothers then turnover the assistance checks over to him. he had a lot of hubris. the stories of his victims of the young girls he kept as slaves to bet and work in his kitchen are horrendous. beget he wanted to read for mayor of oakland and got 5% of the vote and publicly as a hermann this anti-semite saying the most horrible thing this as a former spokesman for the nation of

islam who appeared at a campaign rally said vyyo anti-semitic saying this. there was hubris in the bakery. when he died as victims finally came forward. with a myriad of criminal charges against him that civil litigation. raping children, boys, rate being of boys one day one of the bet from the bakery what did. whether you doing? he told people and was then shot dead two days later.

even though there was scientific evidence and the children that he fathered one of the thain the followers clung to is he was never convicted of anything. within that environment is where yusuf ali bey iv came. the difference between father and son is the fourth was raised up did it. there was the testimony where would of the wynn said he only knew that little box of the compound.

his father grope in the different place. he spent 40 years before converting to the religion. in the segregated their forces broke he had been out in the world at least. the fourth had his father that winded were the floor when the then walked and be to women with impunity every day. almost unimaginable to think the fourth could grow up in that environment and not become who he did. >> moving on to the

murder, we know that chauncey was trying to write a story about the bakeries finances being sourced by the man bey acclaimed he was rightful owner of the bakery. and as it goes through financial turmoil and even as they were tapped we did not get into how the organization had such of foothold 80 you can delve into that then. what happened to the story he was working on? >> excellent question. he was sourced and chauncey

thought one source was enough. the irony is reporting on what was well-established. the bait -- bakery was a vagrancy almost 10 months by the time he thought he should write about it. but the adopted son of dr. bey and married to one of dr. bey daughters believe that the line of succession had never been breached when dr. bey appointed the bakery president he disappeared a few months and found in a shallow grave. there was no legitimacy some

of they said was this self illegitimate? because they could not appeal to the bankruptcy court. to work out the bakery debt. he did not enter the litigation. he talks to people and did not they u.s. is getting anyplace. he had known chauncey for a long time a fire want to talk about the bakery i will come to you first. he finally did. the publisher said there was not enough evidence.

i read this story chauncey getting in and not very well written. he wanted to get the story in this newspaper. chauncey called of lawyer. >> yes. we drafted the story. it they still would not print it. in the meantime the coming of assessed, there is a weird believe that watching a video of his father's funeral it was chauncey there is but mother ethel

who killed my dad. how? reporting the facts of the sexual abuse case slandered his father and that added to the stress that caused a further devised in a weird position but then he became obsess with stopping at and put up a plan and they would figure out where chauncey really worked and then planned a merger or around that. that is exactly what happened. the we got august 1st it figured out where he lived

they spend 70 minutes parked outside the apartment with some dry runs kumbaya buy-back to the bakery, i got up 5:00 in the morning and they immediately lost him. they had an elaborate plan. he walked out the kiss he went to the other way. is started to chase the bus. the bus driver sees the shotgun. the cops came and are back in the minivan and there was chauncey joaquin at the lake.

they wanted to shoot him there but to they said no. we know where he is going. he shot at once, then twice twice, and then he remembered they said shoot to three times to make sure he is dead. and then he shot him one wartime. >> if you don't know, people here from booktv are here.

>> guy and is did you have written this book about individuals and tragicl?nnnn circumstances but what did you discover abouth institutions? not just the oakland cityhh council also is the oaklandnx police department that people may not know aboutñ its history given the current protests. >> with the police department what happens after the second world war under the oligarchy the soon

to the oakland tribune at the time the member to become a very powerful united states and senator. they wear shocked these migrants thought they would say why the weather was nice. zero glint in his wisdom send the careers down south. these people had to police these people. within five years the california house commend the investigative committee had a hearing on police abuse of

african-americans by the o'quinn the cops. and the silver writes congress told the committee that oakland had the sec and largest african-american population west of the mississippi and every member lives in may and the fear of the oakland police department. and only took them less than five years to the way it to police the there were unharmed shooting this and horrible abuses. the seeds of some issues have long been planted. >> moving on. what happened and to all of

the characters after the adjudication of the final trials? what is the epilogue of the nation of islam? what is the prison terms? >> that was the breakaway institution. they could deal and pleaded guilty to counts of voluntary manslaughter in exchange for testimony. you was convicted of three murders are being three

consecutive life terms with no parole eligibility. they get away driver and a bad triggerman in another murder is serving two life terms with no possibility of parole. richard lewis was convicted in day torture case and is serving a life term with no possibility of parole. we face the same sentence cut video another is doing 16 years. and they say no 1/3 strike felony putting him away for the rest of his life with the third strike.

room for appeal now? >> before anybody was killed highway kidnapping and torture may 2007 as police investigated that a couple of detectives followed him into the l.a. hell and vehicular fraud and put the gps device on his car. it turns out that was turned on the day bailey was killed. they went to chauncey house

to send data signal her after the murder they wanted to see so i immediately a, as the criminal returns to this scene. s and as they get back to the bakery did not get back into the car to see what the crime scene looks like. but it was not on there for the murder. a was a strong piece of evidence when five views and came into play at the trial. and testified as to when the car went. and the credibility was challenged if they can prove he is a liar then they could

have reasonable doubt. that is why it was important. it was placed on a car without a warrant. do-- the supreme court says that constitutes a search. it is a big appellate issue. some say there was so much other evidence just as the others call it a harmless error and they will not overturn the conviction based on that. in that said, the appellate lawyers will play that as hard as they can. it is part of the ongoing appeal.

>> good question to the right. influence, control, ability influence change on the outside? >> he have a lot of family members and i think he has problems in prison. we have not talked about wills merger with testimony that they killer random guy because of his race. he was white. that may not in deer him to certain elements in prison. more dangerous than that

that, when the cops started to grow hand he sold out his own by very fast. there is a video we put on online which and that camera that is yahoo! said that mother f did it. that does not suit him well to have a lot of power and the prison culture to put a lack of value on rats. i don't know. only time will tell. >> can you talk on the surgeons handling of the

chauncey bailey murder? was a professional? his relationship with yusuf ali bey far for? >> to sum up they had been criticized for having connection almost what was a mentor connection to yusuf ali bey iv and the criticism against him liable not worry about that. it appeared with his relationship was improper

but it contributed to that. . .. . . the investigation of the murder was in its infancy, just incredibly light and you can be cynical about it and he gave us

the flawed confession and said i did it but nobody ordered me to do it. that case was closed. he said i did it, i shot him. that was it. they don't get any extra points for arresting more than one person for the same murder. that is kind of a cynical position. that said it was a lousy investigation. every fact has borne that out and whatever the motivation was, there is only one person, there's only one person who knows what the motivation of that was. but i think something was very telling recently. there was a federal lawsuit filed against the department and there was all this back-and-forth over who believed he was a member of the bakery and fill in the department that he was the black muslim and who thought he was a black muslim sympathizer. all of that was going on in the police department prior to

bailey's murder. there was a lot of that in the police department. there are people who did not trust him because they thought he was with the base, the way that he was with them. what was really interesting was the lawsuit against the department a federal judge wrote there is absolute nothing in the record that would make a reasonable person considered longmire wasn't associated with the bakery in some way. there is a lot there that in a sense he could only kind of blame himself for a lot of it i think. because he had a situation that when it was expose open itself up to a lot of criticism. >> the handling of the investigation more so than any evidence showed he was actually. >> right that there were so much mishandling of the evidence, this filing of evidence after the murder. there was a lot of that wasn't followed up on. this idea that broussard said i

shot him and that was it. then of course, for didn't help because he was captured on tape dragging out longmire who was protecting him. >> we have time for two or three more questions. this gentleman right there. >> talk a little bit about the formation of the project and the people involved in the struggle to really bring this -- these people to justice. do it. >> i'm not here to work. i'm just here to talk. [laughter] >> very quickly, i think it's important to acknowledge that there were a lot of people that helped them come together. sandy close from new america media, the maynard institute for journalism -- journalism education, our previous bosses at the time, kevin keane, vice

president news, pete lovers key, society of professional journalists. sandy close after she was slain he called us all together is only sandy close could do and we had a dinner discussion at a chinese restaurant in berkeley on shattuck avenue and her breathing at that time was, there has to be some sort of collective response for the journalistic community. obviously we took our cue from the arizona project, which investigated the assassination of arizona reporter, republican reporter dawn bowls back in the 70s as he was investigating a sketchy land deal related to the mob. and so that night we knew we had to do something that we weren't sure what that was going to be. the tribune newsgroup, and media media new signed on as did many others. uc berkeley was there. paul copp was there and there were a lot of people who knew

chomsky or had some sort of stake in the journalistic community across the area. and so it was born that night. it was also bruce brugman from the guardian. a lot of people. g. w. schultz in the early days and the first meeting was held at the oakland tribune and i will tell you it's a lot like we are the world when michael jackson, prints and a whole lot of people came. if you can imagine a roomful of competitive, smart journalist together all looking at each other. it was quite something i'm going to tell you. i won't belabor the point about what happened when robert rosenthal came along to help give us some good direction and guidance as well as reporters from the oakland tribune who were likely wondering what the hell are these people doing in our house? we sort of came to the conclusion that this was not about any of us. it was about one of our

colleagues who had been slain for trying to do his job. and that we as a journalistic community needed to have a response. that response was to import the hell out of the story and get to the bottom of what happened and that is ultimately what we did. [applause] >> the gentleman with the book who has his hand up. wait weighed in tell them i comes to you. >> can you please tell us how you became an investigative journalist? some of the techniques you use for this project and what you see for the future, please? >> sure. i'm going to do that real quickly so we can go to the young man behind you. i kind of did this the old-fashioned way. i worked my way up by spending a lot of time at stake, you know, a beat reporter and kind of

learning. i always wanted to dig into things. that was always kind of my thing is a reporter. i like to get to the bottom of stuff and i liked to use documents. i like to work on things for a long time. i kind of you know, trained myself that way as a reporter. i'm a member of investigative editors and groups like that really take long-term views on stories, to dig very deeply and to use documents. >> might personality is -- this b.a. bit of a pain. >> well, you know. [laughter] >> the next question. >> this young guy right here. >> what i am holding is a pamphlet inc. -- who killed chauncey bailey and i'm sure you are where of this.

what i would like to do is read the first sentence. it has been revealed that the brothers at the muslim bakery were -- for the oakland police department. local politicians and mexican drug dealers. >> mexican drug dealers? really? >> yeah, so if you could give us your comment based on that statement and of course, i would love to see a dialog if possible with marvin and the two esteemed gentleman on the panel since he was a colleague of chauncey bailey as well as you know he is an existing journalist as well. i know that you are all familiar with him. thank you. >> familiar with it now, thank you or good news to me quite frankly and i think i would challenge you to take a look at

the notes section of the book and kind of leave it at that. i think the bibliography in the notes section of the book speak for themselves and that there is no intellectual answer to who killed chauncey bailey other than the name and they did it for the reasons that are in the book. >> i think quickly to piggyback on that, i think that any, if there was any evidence to prove and to show that chauncey bailey project was absolutely followed in that thread and i think in some ways, for that to be the message that is sent here and the last time i checked i haven't seen marvin involved in any reporting that the bailey project did.

i have checked it out. i have checked it out. when you write a book, and you have a right to come up here and we will listen to you but right now let's answer the question and move on to others because we want other folks to have a question as well. thank you. we appreciate that. so i think that, were there any evidence, that would have been pursued. let's move onto the next question. >> we will take one more. >> i would like to ask the last question. >> go ahead. >> when i read this book or began to read it, because it was very captivating to me, how does it feel for you to be a white man from the east coast, a bit of a individual at times.

[laughter] but a very earnest fellow. but you are writing about a religion, an era. a once seemingly proud black organization in a community that is for many years are dominantly black although the demographics have change. how are you going to manage this book, your reporting in this reality of who you are and what you are facing? >> sure. what does my face represent? to say that a white reporter could not have written this book is to say that an african-american reporter couldn't write a book about a white murder. it is really that simple. this book is an excavation project to try to get to the bottom of what happened.

bailey and to explain kind of where it came from and what the bleep system was based on, how it matters for 35 for or 40 years in oakland, before three murders in the summer of 2007 caused its implosion, finally. and again, i just referred to reporting to the notes section of the book. i, this from the angle of knowing how did triangulate the facts together and i don't think that, i take a great deal of time to examine racism in the book. i think the only way -- that is really the one way that i write it in in response to a question

like that, and you have to look at what caused people to be susceptible to the belief and there are great deal of horrors in what cause people to believe and not belief system. i will end on this note. there is a story in the book and a chapter in the story where an african-american dr., european educated gynecologist, had the audacity to buy a house in a white neighborhood and what happened to him. they made it about a gang and a mob came outside of the house. the doctor wanted the defendants family and he had some guns. the mobster is throwing fire bombs and