>> this is a culmination of a lot of work on his part. a lot of sacrifices on his part, as well as those who are closest

to him. before we get started, i want to give him an opportunity to acknowledge some people. >> take you to all the people who turned out. it is overwhelming. if anyone heard me this morning, there was a little dead air. it is out of the way. i think tonight will be just fine because martin will keep me in mind. i wanted very quickly acknowledge some people from the chauncey bailey project. some people who are here and who did some reporting on chauncey. i remember the first day that the reporters got together. three of us got together and figured out what we were going to do. the reporters that joined me here tonight, ac thompson and josh richman. fantastic reporters. did a lot of digging together.

also here with us this evening is a young man who made an award winning shorts and -- short film. if you haven't seen his film, it is a fantastic piece of work. also here is an editor who worked on the project from the beginning from the first meeting. her notes are now hanging in a museum for the news industry in washington. i just picture the other night. she kept me in line. to listen to her wise advice. also here tonight, as martin alluded to, is my wife, jennifer cole, who has managed to

tolerate me working on this book under a pretty tight deadline. we will get through it okay with a couple of kids in tow. i can't thank her enough for that. >> outstanding. i think it would only be appropriate for us to start the evening with a reading from the book. would you do that for us? >> thank you. this is from the epilogue -- i'm sorry, the prologue. just a little bit to put the days -- and everything in a bit of perspective. he has 35 years, oakland had grown non-and afraid of the days. baker -- the bakery was part of

health food store and criminal enterprises. joseph c. stevens, had reinvented himself as yusef ali bey. the surname was part of the chicago they sacked at the moorish temple of america. it is in fact a version of islam that had been used as a suffix. bey was blessed with a quick tongue. he also possessed a creditor's roof of soul. many of his followers and children thought he was god like you he was a cult leader. each week on a television show called true solutions, which he paid the broadcast on local cable stations, they repeated

the black muslim's basic beliefs. in 1930, a lot and another person had traveled to detroit arriving on july 4, and announcing that he had come to sign what he called the lost tribe of [inaudible] of america, and lead its members to salvation and their true religion, islam. the messenger was mohammed, a man in complete segregation of the so-called negroes and the rest of american society. with images of him behind him, men in dark suits and bowties, they railed against technology, which was blasphemous. he referred to people of color collectively as asiatics, a

group that included native americans, americans, and asians. he claimed the holocaust paled in comparison to treatment of african slaves in the americas. christianity was nonsense, a spook religion. like mohammed before him, they often babbled about the people before them that created the white devils, kick asians and jews. preparing to and i lay the devils and restore asiatics. the devils were snakes of the grafted type. bey was also ambiguous about his well about those who crossed

him. these positions he articulated weekly on television. we don't turn the other cheek. if you turn a fire hose on my mother, i will kill you until i die. if you think i'm going to let you put a hose on my mother, put dogs on my mother so i can fit in a toilet next to you, you are out of your cotton picking mind, he said in a 2002 sermon. you're not just ordinary people. the caucasians are scientific for evil. they had never really moved among the dogma of the 1960s. although he wasn't part of the nation of islam, he was among the last of the believers to deliver a racist message. it was in contrast a view of centuries of white oppression. >> thank you, tom.

one thing i noticed when looking at this book was a significant amount of historical context to the religion. you examined, even before it the black movement and its forebears began, what was the purpose of having that much historical context leading up to the formation of that? >> well, i wanted to get kind of to the roots of the belief system. the nation of islam, which in its original teachings, had very little to do other than a common name with traditional or orthodox is. a small handful, maybe only one other of significance, that is a truly american religion -- a belief system that came about in the united states in a period of history.

i wanted to explore where the bey's lee system came from. that took me back to the morris temple. it also created the question of who were the people who are susceptible to what they were preaching. that required an examination of slave descendents who had have migrated to northern cities and what those conditions in those cities were, and this general sense that leaving the south was not leaving racial oppression for many people. >> one thing i did not expect when picking this book up was that amount of historical context. i noticed that you spend several chapters about the conditions in

detroit. before the time of the nation of islam and its formation between world war i and the depression. as well as the national conditions of lax at the time. how did the racism of that period feed islam and enable your black muslim bakery to create this religion? >> we all know a little bit about the great migration and isabel wilkinson's fantastic book. detroit and oakland -- there are pretty good parallels between migrants who went to detroit around the time of the first world war and migrants who came to oakland who work in the shipyards after the segregation order in 1942.

in both instances, when the war ended and white workers came home and wanted their factory jobs back, officials in detroit and oakland looked around and said, why aren't these folks going back south? we are finished now. we don't need them anymore. in both instances, they were very surprised to discover that no one wanted to go back. that led to -- in detroit, a pretty quick ghetto of factory workers. after the second world war, some cops were recruited. the white power structure in detroit but the only way to make control of the ghetto was to have southern cops who knew how to do that.

it immediately became an oppressive situation. i found some language in a newspaper from the detroit free press that i quoted in the book. i'm sorry, detroit news, about the ghettoization, and they actually used language of final solution. >> i don't think anybody had thought of that crazy at. but they literally had a final solution of what to do with the southern african americans who had come to these oversold factory jobs. five dollars per day. conditions in detroit, especially at the start of the depression, we have bad very quickly for these folks.

naturally, they were the first to lose their jobs. the city was very intolerant of providing aid and any kind of social help, and michigan ended up virtually -- because of this issue -- with the largest ku klux klan population of any state in the union. it was in alabama, it was in mississippi. on the third try at mayer, a klansman was elected for mayor. the conditions were around us. >> it was interesting because he would not necessarily think of detroit is the ground for the premises of that sort of environment. >> it is ironic that you think it was that kind of environment there. >> those boys wanted their jobs back after.

that is when the clan numbers sky rocketed. >> escorting little bit, tell us more about a man that oakland referred to as doctor yusef ali bey and how he came to disbelieve in religion. how he came to believe in this religion or its. >> he was born, as i read, in texas. greenville, texas. he is texas cotton town. everyone knows that for years there was a very infamous sign. the blackest land, the whitest people. people who put it up said it is about soil for cotton and we have good, pure people here in greenville. they denied any rachel intends.

they denied any rachel intends. the african-americans took it a different way. there was a lynching story that took place -- a very horrible story. a white woman claimed she was raped. the sheriff came out and arrested a black man that was young. they took it down to the jail. they dragged into the public square. they let him on fire, pictures of it taken. burning of the negro smith written on the photographed with the date. that is the kind of place that greenville was. that is the kind of place that the stephens family came from. four of them came out to oakland

in 1942. joseph stevens bother got a job working for kaiser. he's apparently good at it. he was interested in [inaudible]. the family moved around a lot and right after the war ended, his wife left him and the divorce papers site savage beatings. joseph went to oakland technical high school. he got out and went into the air force. one of the things that were expressed to us in the reporting was to find out that his service records were among those that were lost in a huge fire in st. louis in the 1980s. a great historical loss. when he got out, his brother billy was down in santa barbara. he was running a hair salon. the man who had become yusef ali bey was a hairdresser.

he was quite good at it. we interviewed a guy who had been down with him who said that all of the white women wanted him to do their hair. he was fantastic at it. southern california was also a hotbed for the nation of islam. in 1962, there was a horrible incident at a mosque in south central los angeles. the police came and, the lapd was itching to get these guys. they confronted two guys in suits -- hey, are you black muslim's? yes, sir. the cops got on them and the fire was started. word got back to the mosque he was a friday night. a guy named ronald stokes surrendered to a rookie police officer who pointed a gun at him like this -- put his arms in the

air. shot him right through the heart. another guy was shot. five other guys were shot. naturally, all of the black muslims were charged with assault. this set off a great debate in the nation of islam. malcolm x. was still a true believer at that point, and he wanted to live up to the rhetoric. he wanted to come from new york to los angeles, rallied the men in los angeles, and take it to the lapd, fight them in the streets. elisha mohammed said no. he backed no come off, and malcolm privately fumed about that. he wanted to fight. elisha mohammed said no, we're going to fight with the newspaper. they had mohammed speaks. elisha mohammed said, we cannot beat the devil through war. we cannot fight the police, but we can attack them with a

newspaper. they pumped out newspapers the increased circulation. eventually these newspapers reached santa barbara and ended up at the hair salon. joseph stevens bother told a story at a conference in chicago a couple of years ago. his mother read the newspaper and said that, we have to go to los angeles and see what this is all about. they closed the shop got a car and fell into the nation of islam. they became true believers and running their own mosque in santa barbara. there is a chapter in the book about a murder that was in that mosque. two people objected to the stephens brothers leadership and

wrote a letter to chicago and the husband wrote a letter to chicago -- a couple weeks later, somehow a man got into the apartment and shot them dead in the middle of the night. the santa barbara police came down and did a very thorough investigation. never made any arrests. they put pressure and closed the mosques and return to oakland. the mosque at the time was in san francisco. it was an fillmore, they were renting space in what is now the famous rock club. the minister there did not like these guys. he thought they were too slick. he thought something was not quite right with them, and he also did not like the fact that they were coming in and taking

over pieces of the bay area. they wanted to run a mosque in oakland. he considered oakland to be his territory. they went back and forth with chicago and elijah mohammad said, okay. you can have a mosque there, but you have to deal with sam francis go as your people in charge. they didn't like that. joseph stevens especially did not like that. he was still joseph stevens at the time. he wanted to run his own show. he wanted also to make money. he was very interested and money, and under the nation of islam, all the money flow to chicago. they were tithing, some people could barely afford the 10 or 15% that was required of them. all the men in the mosques were required to sell newspapers. the dirty secret was that they

were required to sell out first. joseph stevens didn't want anything to do that. he wanted his money. he then split some with his brother, his bother -- his father had become a baker. one of the best things that elijah mohammad talked about was nutrition and healthy eight good. by about 1972, they had split and joseph e. started a bakery. a good incredibly well as a business at first. and he needed larger quarters. he moved up the street to what we all know is where the elijah mohammad's bakery was. at some point he decided he wasn't going to share any of that money went chicago. he changed his name to yusef ali bey and he split. he was very much practicing the

religious dogma, but ran it as his own -- that equated to a baptist preachers splitting with a national baptist organization but still preaching, asic baptist principles. >> he created his own franchise. >> yes. that is one way to put it. we have learned a little bit about the man who called himself doctor yusef ali bey. he certainly did not have the academic credentials to hold that title. now i want to delve into chunks. now i want to delve into chauncey bailey and how he overcame his speech impediment out of nowhere with no therapy and no treatment. i think that passage in the book was very enlightening to do chauncey bailey became. can you read a little of that?

>> yes, this will be short. this is from chapter 11. chauncey bailey strutter. looking back at a newspaper his mother subscribed to. by the time they got the word out, bridget would be halfway down the block. the left hand over the wheel, her torso twisted, chauncey would [inaudible]. bridget drove him on his afternoons. she was so busy rushing between her own jobs as a beautician and nurse it she did not have time to wait for him to do it by himself. chauncey's brother was also in the backseat bolding the papers. he dreaded missing a house or making a mistake that would cause a subscriber to complain.

even as a youngster, he seemed to know that some people, especially white people, would use any excuse to express dissatisfaction about a black person. one customer had already called the paper and ask why some little -- there is a word in the book i will not say -- some little kid was making deliveries. the papers supported chauncy, but he knew that he had to do a better job to keep it that way. his problem was that the station wagon always seem to end up in reverse. you skipped one, county -- chauncey bailey would say to his mother. even in adulthood, some people still refer to him by the nickname. this has to do with family history, but i'm going to jump over that and go to the

overcoming of his speech impediment. >> chauncy continued to stutter throughout early adolescence. people thought he was withdrawn and shy, but a personality work inside him. nonetheless, his embarrassment and frustration grew probable as the stutter worsened. expressing himself became more of an ordeal, he appeared more loot. as a creative outlet, chauncy took to writing. his speech impediment. he had things to say in the midst of the growing conditions of african americans, especially during the civil rights movement, when nightly images on tv showed people being bitten by police dogs or assaulted with water cannons. he was trying to figure out what he could do to help. seeing how much people depended on the newspaper, coupled with his love of the written word, it

led him to decide early on that his future was in journalism. much later in life come he would tell people close to him the rates of the subscribers of the daily review that had complained about him delivering newspapers -- complained about the little kid delivering newspapers, one day when he was about 17 years old, the stuttering stop. no medication or therapy. he woke up and never started again. chauncey was free. now no one can shut him up. [laughter] >> those of us who worked with chauncy at the tribune remember that. that was one of the things we loved about him. to that end, tell us more about chauncy the journalist, as his slaying was reported in the

press and continued on, one could argue that as a reporter -- in some ways he has become more in-depth than he was in life. i don't mean to diss -- what do you think about that? >> chauncy was not a investigative reporter. he was a community journalists. when he was at the detroit news, he was one of those guys that build up the newspaper everyday. he was somebody who wrote two or three stories a day. those of us in journalism know how valuable those people are. you have to have something to put in the paper. chauncey saw stories everywhere. the thing about this lionization that took place after he was killed, for instance, the guardian called him one of the

most prominent black investigative reporters in the country, which is a vast overstatement. really, in a sense, it could mean that the reporter and the value of the kind of reporter that he was. he was the guy that would show up at a kids track me at 8:00 a.m. on a sunday morning with a camera to take a picture of something positive the children were doing. he was a guy, as you all know having worked with him, which i never did, he could get it down and get it in when he needed something on deadline. he was a good, basic reporter who was very wired into the community that he covered. when he covered african american affairs to the tribune, neighborhoods in oakland got coverage that has not been repeated since on a daily basis. to overstate who he was, is to diminish also what he brought and the value in that.

the value and the type of journalism he did. >> i think that is well stated. and i think that chauncy sully was that. to this day, it has been a challenge for the tribune to replace the connection, the ties and what he brought to the table. now, we have talked about the history of the religion. we have talked about how joseph stevens then yusef ali bey got into it. we talked about chauncy and his evolution as a young man and into a a journalist and what he brought as a journalist. to talk about the man who killed him. devaughndre broussard. give us a little bit about his background and what led him to the bakery. >> sure. devaughndre broussard killed two

people. in extremely violent ways. within a assault rifle and a shotgun. how he ended up at the bakery, and where he came from, is also incredibly tragic. there is very strong indications that his mother was doing hair drugs. he was born premature. his mother was in and out of prison. he was in and out of institutions.

he was never able to overcome it. he was bounced around, his mother in prison, out of prison, comes out and takes them -- goes back on drugs. she commits crimes to feed her habit. he is back in foster homes. >> there was one point that he had a chance. >> right. one of the men who his mother was involved with -- a man named marcus calloway. i see josh over there nodding when i say that. we went and talked to mr. callaway couple times. you could not meet a more down-to-earth, good person than marcus calloway. when devaughndre broussard's mother went back to prison,, marcus calloway tried to become

his foster father. he put a roof over his head and bit him and gave him somebody in his life -- and sent him to school. there was a brief time when devaughndre broussard was a good student in high school. considering where he came from, that was a good achievement. he was on the chess team. he could have made it. he was just on the cusp of making it off the street somehow, as mr. callaway told us, his mother got out of jail and she wanted her son back. and he went back to san francisco to live with his mother, and within a couple of weeks, his mother and grandmother were running a crack house. at hunters point. child services showed up and started asking questions, just when they came, devaughndre broussard was gone.

he had turned in his own mother. the child services people call the police, took down the crack house, and she went back to prison. but he did not go back to richmond. he ended up on the streets in san francisco, and holly knight in 2004 -- holly pauline knight october 31, somebody said we should take his ipod. they beat the kid in the head, stomped on them with other guys, took the ipod. surveillance cameras right there he gets out and takes off. the thief turned out to be the

nephew of someone who knew every police commander in town. they played a little pressure, made sure there was an arrest. ten days later, devaughndre broussard got picked up and pleaded guilty. spent a year in the sample cisco county jail. he got out just after his 18th birthday from the san francisco county jail. he had a stutter, and a host of attachment problems from all of the time that he had been bounced around to these foster homes as a kid. >> and he had a phone number. >> the day before he got out, he ran into a guy named richard lewis, who devaughndre broussard considered to be his cousin. richard would eventually be acquitted due to a technicality,

which was related to his statement that he made that had to be thrown out in his trial. he had a cellmate named yusef iv. yusef iv was in jail because he had taken some guys who strip club. he got thrown out of the strip club. then they got in a brawl with the bouncers. yusef iv got his bmw and to look to the strip club, and then ran down where the bouncers were and got away. he ended up in jail. he met richard lewis. he took yusef iv and -- they hoped up -- yusef iv got bail, and just as he got out, he said to lewis, send me some guys. we always need soldiers.

lewis ran into devaughndre. he said what he going to do when you get out? and devaughndre said he didn't know. he said you should call the sky when you get out. so he called him and said are you hiring? can i get a job? and yusef iv it sent a guy in a suit and a bowtie to pick him up and drove into the bakery, the next day devaughndre broussard moves and with no tv and goldwater, very little pay, but that is what was there for him. >> i'm going to ask tom a couple of more questions. of course, we want to open it up to you to ask questions before we start that, do not start asking questions until the microphones in front of you. we are going to ask a couple of questions and we will be some time for questions from the

audience. i want to touch on, weekly, about yusef iv. obviously, we did not quite get into what happened to his father. he passed away under suspicion of having sex with an underage girl. >> yes. >> maybe you can talk about how he -- just before he passed, and how his child rearing and yusef iv, his son, came to refer to himself as the prince of the bakery. tell us about he became his personality. >> i think we all know that it yusef ali bey the elder ended up with somewhere between 40 and 50 children. the documented number is 43, but some people say it is higher. we know that he left his name off of most birth certificates.

he denied paternity. he ordered the women who bore his children, some of them were as young as 13 years old, to apply for public assistance is unwed mothers and turn their systems checks over to him. the guy had a lot of hubris to say the least. the stories of his victims of these young girls that he basically kept as slaves to bed and work in his kitchen, are just to run this. the stories are in this. he exposed himself publicly he

said the most horrible things. he brought in a former spokesman for the nation of islam who appeared at a campaign rally for him. he said vile and anti-somatic things. there was a great deal of -- as i said, hubris was in the bakery. when he died in 2003, some of his victims had come forward, as we know, and they had led to a period of criminal charges against him are details emerging through some civil litigation of him raping his own children, raping boys, he was raping a boy one day and one of the guys in the bakery walked into the restroom when this was happening. oh, my god, what are you doing? he ran out and told people about

it. two days later, he was found shot dead. a block away. never solved. there was this attitude that he was untouchable. even though there was this overwhelming wealth of scientific evidence about these rapes and the children that he -- these young teenage girls, one of the things that his followers clung to was the idea that he died before he was convicted. they can say he was never convicted of anything. within that environment, is where yusef iv came from. the difference between daughter and son in that regard was that yusef iv was raised up in it. it was the only thing that he knew. there was a testimony that came out about one of the women he

was involved with. the only thing that he knew was that bakery. he knew that box of a compound. remember, his father had grown up in a different place and had spent 30 years of his life before he converted to this religion. he had been in the segregated air force. i can imagine that would have been very rough. at least his father had been out in the world someplace. yusef iv had only been on the avenue where his brother was revered as god, where he preached that women were the floor upon which men walked. he beat women every day with impunity. it is just unimaginable to think that yusef iv could grow up in that environment and maybe not become who he did.

who he became. -- >> i think we need to move on to the murder and then open up for questions. we know that he was trying to -- chauncey, was writing a story about the bakery. about the bakery's finances. there is a man who is claiming to be the rightful owner. there was a power struggle of the bakery. at the time, as we said, the bakery was going through this turmoil and city officials and one of the congresswomen were once again tapped by the family bey. maybe folks will ask questions and you can delve into that then. so what happened to the story that chauncey was working on? >> that is an excellent

question. i am one of the few people who have seen that story. he was sourced by ali saleem bey. chauncey being chauncey thought that one source would be enough to the bakery had been in bankruptcy at that point -- almost 10 months by the time he got onto this idea that he should write about this. the back story is that ali saleem bey was the adopted son of yusef ali bey and also married to one of doctor bey's daughters. the line of succession had been breached when the guy that doctor bey appointed as the bakery president before his death was murdered. he disappeared a few months and

was found in a shallow grave eventually. there was no legitimacy in the ownership of the bakery under her yusef iv and his brother, antar. was itself legitimate because he wasn't the legitimate owner and could not appeal to the bankruptcy court to try to work out the bakery's debt. ali saleem bey did not enter the litigation. he talked to a lawyer and talk to people, and he was trying to also talk to some of the people. yusef iv didn't think he was getting anyplace. he knew that the last best thing to do was to get a story in the media. he had known chauncey for a long time. he always told chauncey if i

want to talk about the bakery, i will come to you first. chauncey put a story together. the publisher, pol pot, told him that there was not enough contribution. one anonymous source. i read the story. it was chauncey getting it down and getting it in. it wasn't long or especially well written. but he wanted to get the story in the newspaper. he called the lawyer. mr. cobb still wouldn't print it. he kind of became obsessed with it. he also had a weird believe that -- he told people one day that they were watching a video of his other signal. they stopped it and he froze the

frame and pointed out a guide, and it was chauncey. there is the [bleep] who killed my dad. but his dad died in a hospital how did he kill him? his story was that somehow chauncey had slandered his father. he claimed that it had caused further demise and it was a really weird position. but then when yusef iv learned this story was coming, he became obsessed with stopping it. he eventually cooked up this plan that he was going to send devaughndre broussard and antoine mackey out and they were going to figure out where chauncey bailey was and they were going to follow him and learn his habit, and they were going to plan a murder around that.

that is exactly what happened. they went out on august 1, they waited outside the post. they followed him home, went back to the bakery, they got yusef iv and drove over to where he lived. they spent 17 minutes in the middle of the night parked outside the apartment. they did a bunch of dry runs. they went back to the bakery, got the shotgun, drove over there in the morning, and they immediately blocked him. they had this elaborate plan. chauncey was walking to work. they ran up with a shotgun. chauncey wanted to walk around lake merritt. the bus driver sees the shotgun, gets on the radio, calls it in. a guy with a shotgun and a mask. the cops come, they got back in

the tattered white minivan. there was chauncey, walking around the lake. broussard wanted to get out and shoot him right there. mackey said, no, it's too hot. they parked the van. they peeked around the corner, chauncey went to mcdonald's and said hi to guy. he walked down the streets and saw the guys come at him with shotguns. they shot him and they remembered that yusef iv said hsu three times, make sure this guy is dead. so they went back and as he laid on the ground, they shot him one more time. >> we would like for you to have an opportunity to ask questions. there is a microphone here

someplace -- >> for those of you who don't know, we have the wonderful people here from "book tv." they want to pass around a microphone so we can hear your questions. the gentleman in the front, and then we will move to the back. >> i understand that you have circumstances. but i am curious about what you not just the oakland city know and encountering as new, given the current series of protests in >> the interesting thing about the oakland police department, and again, it parallels detroit after the first world war and

what happened in oakland after the second world war. that is a very conservative oligarchy who open the tribune that the time and was about to have a member of that family become a very powerful united states senator. that controlling power in oakland was shocked that these migrants who had come for shipyard jobs decided they were going to stay here where the weather was nice. maybe they were not going to go back to arkansas and texas and louisiana. so oakland, in its wisdom, sent recruiters down south just like detroit did. they had the know-how to police people. they could not do it themselves. within five years of the end of the war, the california health

-- i forget the exact name. the investigative committee of the california assembly had a hearing in oakland on abuses of african americans by the oakland police. a lawyer for the silver rights congress told the committee the oakland city had the second member of the african american population. and every member of that population lived in fear of the oakland police department. it only took five years for it to get that way -- the way that they pleased west and north oakland. there are numerous instances of unarmed shootings and horrible abuses. the seeds of some of these issues have been long

acquainted. >> right here, second row? we have time for five or six questions. >> a question of parallel. what happened to all the characters after the judicial and adjudication of the final trials. all these characters and the families -- what is the epilogue of the nation of islam in oakland and the bakery? what is the prison terms and things like that? >> remember the bakery was a breakaway institution from the nation of islam. at the end of this, broussard who killed bailey and another man, they got 25 year determined sentience. they work charged with manslaughter in exchange for testimony. they were convicted of three murders and are serving three

consecutive life terms with no parole. antoine mackey, the getaway driver in bailey's murder and another man of a guy named michael wells, is serving two life terms with no parole possibility for those murders. richard lewis, who i mentioned, was convicted in an associated kidnapping and torture case that is in the book. he is serving a life term with no possibility of rural. yusef iv faced the same sentence. he is doing a tenure -- 10 years of jail time. all those guys are in prison. another guy who is in the book, [inaudible], he faces a third strike felony that could put him away for the rest of his life

now. >> the u.s. supreme court's iv and do you think he has room for appeal now because of that? >> that's a good question. for anybody who was killed, yusef iv was under investigation for highly kidnapping and torture of two women in may of 2007. as police were investigating that, a couple of detectives followed him to belay -- [inaudible] where he had a particular charge and flipped the undercarriage of his car. it turned out that was turned

down on august 2, the day that chauncey bailey was killed. when they went to chauncey's house to plan the murder, the tracking device was sending a signal of where the car was. after the murder, yusef iv wanted to see what his orders turned out light. they returned to the scene of the crime. as soon as they got back to the bakery and chauncey bailey is dead, they drove back with this tracking device on the car. but it wasn't on there for chauncey's murder. it was a really strong piece of evidence when it was used, and it came into play at the trial. it was important because broussard was in the car both times and testified as to where the car went. the defense lawyers challenged

broussard credibility because he changed his story so many times. if they can prove he's a liar, then the jury can have reasonable doubt. the tracking device was important for that corroboration. now, the tracking device was placed on the car without a warrant. the supreme court rules unanimously that a warrant is required. it is going to be a big appellate issue. there is so much other evidence, that it will be -- that appellate justices are likely to look at it and collect a harmless error. and they won't overturn a conviction based on that and order a new trial. that said, his appellate lawyers are certainly going to play that as hard as they can.

it is probably the strongest point of his appeal at this point to see what the justices say. >> a question over to the right to? influence change on the outside? >> you know, he has a lot of family members. i think he also has him problems in prison. the thing we have not talked about is the wells murder, where there was testimony that they killed a random guy because of his race. he was white.

that might not endear him to certain elements in prison. probably more dangerous than that, the first thing that yusef iv did when the cops started grilling him on this, they said broussard did it. he sold out his own guy really fast. there was this video that we put out online during our reporting, which he is joking around with these other guys in the prison cell. this camera is clandestinely eavesdropping on it and it was devastating evidence. he said look at the cop. he said yeah, that [bleep] did it. i can imagine that does not suit him very well for having a lot of power in the prison culture that puts a lack of value on rats. but i don't know. only time will tell.

>> question. >> i was just going to ask if you could touch on sergeant longmire's handling of the chauncey bailey murder, and do you think it was professional -- his relationship with yusef iv, and just touch on that. >> do one provide the context, or should i? >> well, there is a lot of context there. i think to sum it up quickly, longmire had a very interesting relationship with yusef iv. there were many conversations that were caught on tape. he had been criticized in the department for having connections -- almost a mentorship kind of connection to yusef iv. he even said the criticism people have against him -- yusef iv -- i'm not going to worry

about it. i think he took a lot of heat and criticism for that, and it certainly appeared as though his relationship was improper, which in his handling of the case, that steadily contributed to that. >> let's face it. one of the shocking things and numbers about the oakland police department in 2007, was they had 10 homicide detectives investigating murders in oakland and the city had half a million people and a very high murder rate. only 10 guys. they had 30 guys assigned to internal affairs to investigate the police department of less than 1000 people. and about that for a moment. think about that the workload of homicide detectives in oakland was about double what -- sometimes more than double than what experts say any cop can

handle. that said, the investigation of the murder was in its infancy -- it was incredibly light. the minute that broussard confessed, that case went to closed. they had a guy who said i did it, i shot him. they don't get any extra points for arresting more than one person for the same murder. the clearance rate doesn't change on that. that is the cynical position. that said, it was a lousy investigation. every fact has pointed that out. whatever the motivation was, i think there was only one person who knows what that motivation of that was. i think that something was very telling recently in that there was a federal lawsuit that longmire filed against the department. it was all this back-and-forth

over who in the department thought that he was a black muslim, who thought that he was a black muslim advisor. all of that was going on in the police department prior to bailey's murder. there was a lot of that in the police department. they're people who did not trust them because him because they thought he was with the bakery. if he was with the bey family the way that he was. ..

there was just this idea that broussard said, i shot him, and that was it. and forth was captured on tape bragging how longmire was protecting him. >> we have time for two or three more questions. this gentleman right there. >> talk a bit about the formation of the chauncey bailey project and the people involved in the struggle to really bring these people to justice. >> i'll let you do that. >> you do it. >> it's your -- >> you do it. >> i'm not here to work i'm just here to talk. >> well, very quickly, -- yeah, i think it's important to acknowledge there were a lot of people that helped it come together.

sandy close from new american media. doory maynard from the maynard institute of education. our previous bosses at the time. kevin keen, vice president of news, the society of professional journalist, sandy close called -- after chauncey was slain, she called us together and we had a dinner discussion at a chinese restaurant in berkeley, and her big thing at that time was, there has to be some sort of collective response from the journalistic community. obviously we took our cue from the arizona project, which investigated the assassination of arizona reporter --'m recorder don bolds in the '70s as he was investigating sketchy land deals related to the mob. so that night we knew we had to do something but we weren't sure what that was going to be.

and the tribune signed on and as did men others. uc perkily was there paul cobb, lot of people who knew chauncey or had some stake in the journalistic community in the bay area. so it was born that night. also bruce from the san francisco bay guardian. a lot of people he -- gt schultz, and the first meet was at the oakland tribune, and it's like wow be are the world" when michael jackson and prince ask -- you can imagine a roomful of come tettive smart journalists, all looking at each other. it was quite something, i tell you. and so i won't belabor the point of what happened. robert rosenthal came long to give us some good direction and guidance, and reports from the oakland tribune and like who were wondering, what the hell

are all these people doing and our house? ultimately what happened was a lot of -- we sort of came to the conclusion that this was not about any of us. it was about one of our colleagues who had been slain for trying to do his job. and that we as a journalistic community needed to have a response, and that response was to report the hell out of the story and get to the bottom of what happened, and that's ultimately what we did. [applause] >> gentlemen, with the book who has his hand up. wait until the mic comes to you. >> can you please tell us how you became an investigative journalist in, some of the teak instincts you used for the project and what does the future look like, please. >> sure, we'll go over that and then go to the young man behind

you. i worked my way up to this by spending a lot of time as a beat reporter, and kind of learning how to -- i always wanted to dig into things. that was always my thing as a reporter. i liked to get to the bottom of stuff. iike to use documents. i like to dig. i like to work on things for a long time. i kind of trained myself that way as a reporter. i'm a member of investigative reporters and editors, and groups like that, that really urge reporters to take long-term views on stories. to dig very deeply. and to use documents. >> more about your personality. >> my personality -- >> a bit of a pain in the -- >> well, you know, yeah. next question. >> next question. >> get this young guy right here.

>> what i'm holding is a pamphlet entitled "who killed chauncey bailey." i'm sure you're aware of it. marvin x is here, who wrote it. what i would like to do is read the first sentence. it has been revealed that the brothers at the black muslim bakery were acting for the local police department, local politicians and mexican drug dealers. >> mexican drug dealers. really. >> so if you could give us your comment based on that statement, and of course, i would love to see a dialogue if possible with marvin and -- >> okay -- >> the two esteemed men on the panel says he was colleague of chauncey bailey and an existing journalist as well, and i know that y'all familiar with this. thank you.

>> i'm familiar with it now. thank you. news to me. quite frankly. i think i have -- i would challenge you to take a look at the notes section of the book. kind of leave it at that. the bibliography and the notes section of the book speak for themselves and there is no intellectual answer to who killed chauncey bailey other than the name yusef bey iv and they did it for ropes in the book. >> i think to piggyback on that, any -- if there were any evidence to prove that, to show that chauncey bailey project would have followed that thread, and i think in some ways, for that to be the message that is

said here -- i haven't seen marvin x involved in any reporting that the bailey project did, and many atimes -- okay, marvin, we can -- i checked it out. when you write a book and have a night to come up here, then we'll listen to you. we'll listen to you. right now, let's answer the question and move on to others because we want other folks to have a question as well. and so i think that -- thank you. we appreciate that. so i think that were there any evidence that would have been pursued. let's move on to the next question. >> take one more. >> take one more. >> i'd like to ask the last question. >> go ahead. >> i think it speaks -- because when i read this book, or began to read it, because it was very captivating to me -- how did it

feel for you to be -- i mean, you are white man, from the east coast. >> yep. >> a bit of a prickly individual as times. >> yeah. >> but a very earnest fellow. but you are writing about a religion, an era, a once seemingly proud black empowerment organization, in a community that has for many years been a predominantly black city, all those demographics have changed. how are you going to manage this book, your reporting, and this reality of who you are and what your face may represent. >> sure. what does my face represent? to say a white reporter cooperate have written this book is to say that an african-american reporter couldn't write a book about a

white murder. it's really that simple. this book is an excavation project to get to the bottom of what happened to bailey, and to explain kind of where the base came from, what the belief system was based on, and how it managed to exist for 35 or 40 years in oakland before three murders in the summer of 2007 caused its implosion finally. and again, i just kind of refer the reporting to the notes section of the book. i cam at this from the angle of knowing how to dig at things and triangulate facts together, and i don't think that -- if take a great deal of time to examine racism in the book, and i think

the only way -- that was really the one way that i could write it in kind of response to a question like that. and you have to look at what caused people to be sunday send -- susceptible to the believe system, and there are great deal of horrors that -- [inaudible] >> there's a story in the book, and a chapter in detroit, where an african-american doctor -- european educated gynecologist, had the audacity to buy a house in a white neighborhood, and what happened to him. i made it about his day, and a mob came outside the house.

and the doctor wanted the defendant's family, and he had some guns. and the mob started throwing fire bombs and rocks, and the doctor and his brother grabbed and rifles and shot into the crowd. and then the police, who were standing by, finally decided that, well, now that they're shooting, we better go in and try to stop them. and they did. they made some arrests. arrested the doctor. and the doctor ended up with, all all people, clarence dar yo -- darrow to represent the doctor and his family. so read the two long quotes in that chapter from clarence

darrows closing argument in the first trial the jury hung. the jurors said i don't care what the facts are. a so and so has been accused of shooting a white man and i'll burn in hell before i acquit a black man for shooting a white man. that would a quote from one of the jurors on the hung jury. darrow went back and won an acquittal. read clarence darrows quotes in this book and then ask me the request some other time. >> okay. well, want to thank diesel books for hosting this. you got to love our independent book stores. [applause]

>> journey into the black panther party started -- i want to read you a passage and show you how i walked into the office and how that day changed my life. this is chapter three of the book and it's called, finding the panther lair. i walked to into man their office in brooklyn on september 1968. wait a minute. wait a minute. wait a minute. i meant to save the best for laugh but not until the end of the program here. chairman bob seale is in the house. please stand up. insure. [applause]

>> you we get chance to talk to chairman bobby. i walked into the chairman's office in september 1968. dr. king had been assassinated in april of that year. riots and anger flaired in the ghettos around the country. the feeling on the street was that the shit was about to hit the fan. black power was the phrase of the day and hating whitey was the hip thing to do. whitey had gone from being the man to being the beast. young black students were trading in their feel-good motown records for the recorded speeches of malcolm x and the angry jazz recordings of arnette coleman. i went down to 125th 125th cincinnati harlem, the night dr. king was assassinated.

protesters and rioters were on the street, setting trash can fires fires and hurling bricks at white-owned businesses. looters ran into a store and started taking clothes, appliances, and whatever else they could carry. not everybody looted. in fact, most of the crowd continued to chant "the king is dead" and "black power" but it was enough for the cops to start shooting pistols and making arrests. a cop threw me against the wall. then a group of rioters across the street turned a police car over. the cop told me to stay put and ran toward the rioters. i was scared. but i wasn't stupid. i took off running in the opposite direction. i blended in with a group of rioters and tried to figure out which way to go. a group of cops headed toward us. some of the rioters ran into a

clothing store that wag being looted. i followed. the cops went into the store swinging clubs and making arrests. my heart pounded as i ran into the back of the store and found the back door leading to an ality. gasped for air as i ran down the alley and was stopped by a wooden fence. the cops came into the alley. halt, they yelled. put your hand up in my mind, i froze, put my hands in the air, and turned around to face the cops with tears in my eyes. but my body kept hauling ass. i grabbed the fence and scurried over the top like a scared alley cat. two shots rang out. one splintered the wood on the fence near my butt. this gave me the fear and adrenaline i needed to flip over the fence, pick myself up off the ground and scramble out. when i turned out on to the street i kept running-right past two cops two tried to grab me. and then turning the corner i

ran into a group of men wearing afros and berets, standing on the corner a militarylike formation. stop running, young brother. one of the men with the beard and tinted glasses said. don't give these pigs an excuse to gun you down. doubled over, heaving, trying to catch my breath. i didn't know this man. but his voice sounded like a life of confidence in a sea of chaos. moments later two cops ran around the corner. they stopped in their tracks when they saw the militant men. the men closed ranks around me. what are you doing here, one of the cops demanded. move aside. the black men with tinted glasses didn't flinch. we're exercising our constitutional right to free assembly. making sure no innocent people get killed out here tonight. we're chasing looters, the cops reported. no looters here, as you can see, we're a disciplined community patrol. you have guns, the cop asked with a tinge of fear?

that's what you said, the man with tint glasses replied. i said, we were exercising our constitutional rights. the cops took in the size and discipline of the group for a moment and walked away. by the time i caught my breath i was speechless. by that time i had caught my breath but i was speechless from what had just seen. black man standing down the cops go straight home, young brother, the man with the tinted glasses said. the pigs are looking for any excuse to murder black folks tonight. with that, the black men walked on. i scooted down to the subway and headed home. when i entered the apartment, grandma was on the couch watching image of dr. king on tv. tears fell from her eyes. she didn't ask where i had been. which was unusual since i was two hours late getting home. i sat next to her, put my arm around her, and we watched tv reports of the assassination and the riots.

i came to school the next day -- before that i just want to say a little bit about nooney, my adopted grandmother. i was conceived in cuba, and my mother was a graduate student, and broke up with my father and came home, and announced to my grandmother she was pregnant but she had broken up with the guy. my grandmother questioned a little more who the father was, and when the found out he was young revolutionary hanging around with the likes of fidel and raw eel castro, mom got put on the first plane smoking to new york city, and in cuba she had been a graduate student and debutant and on the way to be a doctor but when she showed up in new york city, she was young black whom who couldn't speak english. she spoke spanish and french. a friend told her about a loving

place where they took in foster kid. so she put me in what she thought would be a temporary state but it turned into my early childhood home. nooney and grandpa took me in when they were old and their parents and older brothers and sisters had been slaves. so i grew up hearing stories about an america and about a south where you didn't look a white person in the eye if you were black coming down the street. in fact, if they were on the sidewalk, you got into the gutter. no matter if it was raining, muddy, how old you were, the sidewalk belonged to them. i heard about the klu klux klan and lynching and jim crow as first-person reports. they saw cross burnings, lost relatives to limping. with that, they were working class people. nooney worked as a domestic papa

work as a labor you're, and they had been garveyites in the 20s. they joined the knapp and i was active in the naacp youth council. an honor student in the hero. i had a sense of what was going on. we collect foods and books up north to send to the civil rights workers in the south, who were just contributing that stuff to the communities. pa died when i was 12 years old so just me and nooney so there was this wanting to be a man, figuring at thought, and then dr. king got killed and i was enraged, angry. the day after this, i went to school, and on the fringes, on television you would see stokely car michael and h rap brown and bobby seale and hughie newton, and black power. i want to back up, too. and talk about pa because all of

my lessons in black history -- i don't want you to think it was over the dinner table with books spread out. pa was a working man and he was a good cussing man, and he was a -- what they called in those days a race man. so a lot of my lessons would be as simple as we would be watching television, the old black and white tv, and a tarzan movie would come on, johnny wise muller was swing across the screen, doing the tarzan yell, and speak his language and the lions would go here and the elephants and monkeys, and pa would look at that car and five minutes he would go, what the hell is that? you tell me how in the hell a little cracker baby can fall out of there, grow up, speak monkey, ly bon, boy, change the damn channel. it was living history. then i would switch and harry reasoner was giving some editorial, about the space

program, and he was going on and on and being very educated and very bright young white man, and pa looked at him for four minutes and he says, he was a lying onion head, damn cracker. change the damn channel, boy. so it was living history. plus the dozens. i like that. i could use that stuff in the schoolyard. so when the militants came on, not only were they challenging the power structure in a different way, that we hadn't seen in the movement, they were fly about it. again, folks talking about black power. i remember one news report where h. rap brown good at arrested for possessing a rifle in louisiana and they covered him getting out of jail, and rap is on the courthouse steps and had all the reporters gathered up and he said, want you to listen. if you thought my rifle was bad. waital you see my atom bad. so i went to school the next da

and announced to my friend -- and i was a hallway monitor so i sat with a group of guys and i announced to think it was clear, i, eddie joseph, am going to be a black militant, and one of my friend, white kid, says, eddie, i don't know if you can announce you're going to be a black militant like it's a career choice. like you're going to be a doctor or lawyer. i said, no, paul, you watch. and then i had to -- as much to prove to paul as myself, to my own anger i was feeling, find the most militant organization on the scene, and it was subjective. i didn't know what was going on. and so there would be reasons -- you know, to look at organizations and reject it just on the surface level. like the blast muslims. now, i know you like bow ties, and grandma makes a mean bacon. and then they ran a news report

talked about the rising militancy in america and a story about the black panther party, and they ran the footage where the panthers, led by chairman bob by, stormed the state capital in sacramento, and for folks who don't know, the panthers started patrolling the streets of oakland, california, with shotguns and law books, enforcing one of the aspects of the ten-point program -- i want to get to that later. but that caught the imagination of the people of america because it was legal to carry a firearm in california, and the law books made it clear -- they understood the law and the right to bear arms and understood the right to observe the arrest. they would follow the person to the precinct, bail them out if they had the money. i not there were young lawyers s and legal volun