>> liberty university professor ron miller, sell out, using uncle tom' porch. then you smile why is that? >> on the understand what uncle tom was actually meant to be as the author harriet beecher stowe presented her novel. i think over the years both because the way the character has been portrayed in the show's and others is become distorted. if you read the novels she meant for tom to be an archetypal. he died because he to show the whereabouts and even while he was dying and one that i.

if the interest in learning more i'm happy to tell about the character. islamic the subtitle, the whole purpose your book you have. >> the idea came about because a lot of times when you are a person of color and you have a conservative political view you get certain things your mother never intended for you and instead of doing that i use the title because it grabs you and then a sort of highlights one of the themes in the book which is if we are going to have an honest discussion in america about the topic of race. so the book in fact came about because of eric holder the attorney general making a statement because of our.

i took exception to that comment because to me if we can't have an honest. to speak candidly and then i listen to the names of all this individuals who've,. the change to is cantelon the topic of race responsibility and accountability and how wicked for the future kratovil of past. he decided to use that opportunity to be critical as the current generation and their ability to take advantage of. but he is unapologetic about it and continues to speak out, if not at these fancy. all across the country he talks about the need for us not to let

our circumstances define mass. that's not a message it designates well in some circles. you have other people like condoleezza rice, clarence thomas. because of this back-and-forth of name-calling and others in, i felt the need to write about it not just a perspective of policymakers and. if easter parade the issue of race we would be considered conservative but then our allegiances in and fill the volumes are. i started in my view to show

integrity from within aligning my jaw used. when people start understanding motivation and things like that, but the basis for dialogue rather than confrontation and a spent talking about what i believe and why i believe it but i also talk about why i think that blacks of the command the have certain views of the world or a particular position on one issue or other, and in doing so, for trying to increase the scope of understanding. i'm a very big believer that if you sit down with the intent to understand and you don't use language that's going to immediately shut down the conversation which talks about how long before an on-line discussion the sultan to someone calling someone else and not see

there's a certain thing that happens where a word spread out there in all of a sudden there is no room for discussion. i try to avoid that in the book and the way that i approach people on a day-to-day basis. having said that, if i sense that someone is being untruthful or deceitful, i come from that at least as i see it. >> you talk about a year you left in lake charles. louisiana has one of the worst fears of your life. why? >> as a military brat growing up in the great good schools and not being accustomed to a school where you have predominantly black students in the student body and the attitudes that came with it. here i am, a kid that drops to certainly, spoke to certainly, a certain level of respect for authority and you put me in an environment where those kind of things were not held in regard

and i was ridiculed teacher's pet, acting white, talking like a white boy, all these kind of things were thrown at me and the irony was the reason i didn't get beat up as the two white kids at the school took a liking to me and they were much bigger than anyone else might have been held back a couple grates but it was good and true of experience and religion there was animosity when it came to not just raise the architect for the men to be black. i took a vote against the authentically black and as someone who believes them the dignity of a free individual and how the individual was made in the image of god i take exception there is a standard out there that says this is what it means to be black and anyone that doesn't fit in this box can't be black.

you hear it today in debates, jesse jackson a couple years ago seemed to you can't be against the president's health care plan and call yourself black? why not? the last time i looked in the near hitting the qualified to lead the experience i had about one year was a challenge to the notion of what is meant to be black and as i said to get out of there. >> when you hear the term post rachel, what does that mean? >> it doesn't mean a lot. i think it meant something when some of the more forceful writers i read shortly after the election of president obama discussed the possibility that now or word because they recognize the nation was capable of not only increasing blacks as americans but electing a black man to be the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet with so i was hopeful but it didn't last long like a lot of

things like that the pop-up think it had a lot more fear the who behind it than the practical meeting. >> in your view does the republican party have the responsibility to reach out to african-americans? >> they do and i think they failed to be quite honest. i was disappointed to hear representative alan west from florida had a meeting on capitol hill with a dearth of black conservatives and invited a member and they didn't show up, and while the pragmatic side of me understands the feeling they're going to invest time building a coalition they probably aren't going to get a whole lot out of working in the black community. one of the things i learned as a person in the political arena and has run for office myself is very much into a return on investment approach to dealing with voters. if they don't like they're going to get a quick and substantial

our ally going after particular demographic the the right to dismiss it and move on and that is essentially what they've done with the black community. they concluded there is no fertile ground there and i think that's a mistake. the need to take a long-term view and remember why the republican party was created in the first place and the need to reconnect with black voters not only politically but philosophically because i believe fundamentally that it is a conservative community tree by just believe there are emotional issues that have clouded the relationship and late ask people to talk about the racist fringe of the republican party to this we tell you have the racist fringe but you have the soft bigotries of low expectations that permeate a lot of the liberal views. which one do you prefer? in that regard i think the republicans have a responsibility to get a thick skin and at least at some level

commit to try to build relationships want to pick on the media returns on this one or the next one but i know for myself i feel a lot less lonely now than i did in the 70's because i know that in social media for example ali encounter hundreds of black conservatives in the 5300 or 400 or 500 conservative friends on facebook that tells me there is a significant number of them out there and the population and for whatever reason and maybe it is because of the election of president obama the field prepared to express their point of view and that is an incredible change from what i've seen over the years and it's won the republican party if they get their act together can use for their benefit. to me the black community on the benefits from having a comprehensive dialogue. to have it one-sided isn't going to benefit anyone because one

side will take for granted and the other will ignore you. >> you also praised new gingrich. what is your connection? >> i praised him because he seems to have an understanding of what i just talked about where they fall down on the job becomes =to preaching to people of color. i fink interestingly enough being from the south he seems to have a much more acute sensitivity to the relationships between black and white americans and i won't say that i agree with him on everything, but i do know that when the republican party struggled to get candidates to appear in the form back in 2008 which was geared towards the minority voters and minority issues she was one of the people that came out and was highly critical of the candidates for whatever reason chose not to attend and mitt romney was one of those candidates. but i feel that he's clearly been affected by a lot of what's

happened in the south and civil rights and i understand from reading his own background he was affected by the assassination of dr. king. obviously he and herman cain are good friends and so i feel he has a pulse on the conservative south and republican of reach to the community a lot of candidates don't have to disconnect as far as racial relations in the u.s. you believe that the election of barack obama as president was a step forward just on its face? >> on its face it was a step forward. i think what has disappointed me is that being in a position of leadership as he is, he has the opportunity to smooth vose of things over to move us towards a different kind of race relations, and i think there because of ideology he chooses not to do that. and i wonder sometimes given his

background whether he has the kind of leadership that we need to bring black and white americans together in the american dream. i think there's been more polarization and i wrote the book in 2010 read about the time the naacp cannot irresolution occluding t party elements of racism, and in doing that i thought let's start talking about this and get past some of the political superficiality is that leave us here and start getting deeper into things. sad to see some of the things i wrote about are still relevant today because i haven't seen anything change if anything i've seen things get worse and i think the racial tensions are as high now as they've been in my lifetime. >> we are currently going through another potentially racial incident, the war trayvon

martin case and we are taking this in late march by one >> i think there was malice on the part of the shooter and i think that he did shoot this person because of the perception of a young black man walking in that neighborhood. i never said that racism didn't to exist and i wouldn't say we will not have these kind of incidence. it's unfortunate that we have people who are willing to use these incidents for their agenda and it's appropriate to be indignant and to be angry, but i think to go into the fray and stirred up in iran as reverend sharpton has done and because provocation i think are unnecessary we see both the federal government and the state of florida acting as they should try to investigate and we've seen the police chief step down and all the things the presence to happen in the justice system

are happening and i don't think there is a need to try to stir up emotions but unfortunately i think a lot of what we call the black agenda in america today is written by emotions on the inability to let the scars heal ripping the scabs off. >> would you teacher at liberty university? >> i professor of government so i teach american exceptional as much as a primary class and i'm also an associate dean for the on-line programs for all of the home-schooled government involved in criminal justice politics and policy and three law programs as well as international relations. >> is america in exceptional nation? >> i believe it is and not for any other reason other than it is built on an ideal and it's an ideal the nation strives and streams to lead up to put it this point in history we've always come out of these kind of

conflicts better than we were when we came in to them. it's tragic as the civil war proves and it takes a long time but i do believe that as long as we are awarded to that ideal expressed in the declaration of independence that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights as long as we adhere to that that is what makes us exceptional not that we are great but we strive to be good. >> my wife is from ligon chaim france tomalin was ty at texas university and she was probably the most a political person in the world. i did have her read my book and got a shield of approval but you won't see her out there any time soon. she's one of these people that i think likes to sit back and take in information and act on a more

quiet manner. >> you talk about one of your first dates friends invited you over to see. >> a friend of mine was a big friend guess who's coming to dinner was one of his movies and she was relatively new to the country. she just arrived in texas for her semester abroad so we watched the film and afterwards she approached me and wanted to know what the fuss was all about because the movie talks about sydney as the young white girl and how her family handled that and in fact i use a quote from the main character in that movie, isabel samford played the character and how civil rights is one thing that this is something entirely different and believe me even today she didn't understand it and that was so refreshing to me and i think i was an expert on american race

relations. it was great to know from her perspective she wasn't looking at me through that prez some of race and i always told people when i was in college there's a lot of tension about the issue of the interracial dating and i prefer to throw my life and we will be married 28 years this july so clearly i must be doing something right or she must be much more tolerant. >> in conclusion let's go back to the -- where we started can we have an honest relation -- can we have an honest discussion in the country about race relations? >> i am hopeful person and i believe we can and that starts with me in terms of how i deal with people. i get a lot of people will communicate with me through facebook or other media hype something out there they will come at me in a confrontational way and i respond with grace. they come back at me and i

respond with greece. dewitt be amazed if you stay in the mode of responding respectfully and graciously they start to break down and eventually you get to a point he did have conversations. will never restrain from speaking truths of power but of people willing i will always come back to them with a grease and hopefully open the doors and talk to them. estimate your watching book tv on c-span2, ron miller about his book sellout, musings from uncle tom' pour takes a critical look at the work of alfred kinsey. this was taped at university of lynchburg virginia as a part of