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>> thank you, arthur. it is a real privilege to be here. i noticed that about this time yesterday you were on the view being questioned by joy they have. hopefully we can elevate things. >> and is quite experienced. >> it is a privilege to be here because it is a wonderful book. arthur touched on your personal story. i brought with me my daughters today because i think it is important for all of us to be able to spend time with strong, competent leaders, and because i think that your experience really puts the notion of the republican war on women. i want to start with a story you tell in the book about the general election when you were running for governor. you talk about one of your opponents, attorney general mcmaster.

the extent to which your battle is over with him in the early stages of the primary, you told him you admired him and what i really liked was how he then began introducing you at your campaign events. you described in the book that henry would introduce me as if i were headlining lollapalooza. as the poet tom petty says, with his voice rising to a dramatic pitch, you could stand her up at the gates of hell, and she won't back down. i thought you could start today by talking about where your spirit to fight comes from and your spirit to stand up and do what's right. >> everything good about me i got for my parents. everything negative about linking from other places. but i will tell you that i started every speech, and i continue to say, i am the proud daughter of indian parents that reminded us every day how lucky

we are to live in this country. i was born in a small southern town, 2500 people. my parents came here, my mom and dad -- the small southern town didn't know what to make of us and we didn't know what to make of them. what i will tell you if this is the story of a lot of challenges. challenges of being a minority family in a southern town could challenges of being different, knowing that your different but why your parents tell you why to be proud of being different. challenges in the state race, challenges in the governor's race, and challenges as we go forward. my parents always wanted us to understand that what makes you different makes you special. also the fact that this small southern town, it is part of the same state that elected a 38-year-old indian american female or governor. what does that say about south

carolina? what is it say about the country? how far have we come? that is really the story behind it. we all go through challenges. it's how you handle the challenges. all of the challenges were blessings. it was a blessing in disguise, because i know that i have the strength and i don't back down because every time you go through a challenge, you are amazed at what you can overcome. >> in addition to those challenges, you talked about your parents telling you that you don't complain about challenges. you saw them. you have another great story, which is the mother of a 12-year-old, i particularly love -- your mom had started a small business in the living room of your home. the accountant was leaving, and the story they tell is that you happened to be strolling out of the kitchen, 12 year old nikki haley, enter mother grabbed you and said train her how to do this. i don't think many people now. i didn't know until i read your book, at the age of 12 and 13,

you were the accountant for your mom's business. >> the business was grown out of that house. it was actually now doing very well at the time. she said, i have to train someone. i'm going to be leaving in two weeks, and i happen to be walking out of the break room, and my mom said -- i want you to train her. she said i can't train her, she's 13. she said the train her, she will do it. i was doing payrolls, taxes, a general ledger, i was paying bills and making deposits -- i didn't know until i got to college that that wasn't normal. but i tell people that that was my mom and dad's way of saying they did not want me to know the limitations of age and gender, and they didn't want me to know the limitations of being indian. they said whatever you do, be

grayed out and make sure people remember you for it. it was at that point that i shaped the value of a dollar and what it means for the private sector. it is so hard to make a dollar and so easy for government to take it. the philosophies and beliefs that i have are things that i lived. it is not because i was told what to believe, i truly lived it and understood what the hardships of small businesses were. >> if you jump ahead a little bit to your very first political race. if you go into just about any nursery school in america today, and probably around the world, you will see that the little girls are running circles around little boys. i say that as a proud mom of both girls and boys. but the girls are running the place. so i have often wondered what happens? why is it that women are not yet running the world? i think part of it is diversion. if you look at a story of your

2004 race, the fact that you could not find a consultant to take your money, you had everybody telling you not to do it, don't do it. what was the biggie b. the competence to say this is the right thing to do? was at ignorance? >> i think it was a couple of things. i think it was the fact that that i saw as a businessperson, and wondered why we didn't have more business people in the date house. i also had a mom that said quit complaining and do something about it. i said that i would run for the state house. i didn't know you were not supposed to run against a 30 year incumbent primary. once i got in from the only option was to win. what was surprising was we went through a series of consultants, and i remember telling a friend -- i have this money and no one will take my money. one consultant said that you are too young, you have small

children, you need to look at school boards. you don't need to run for state house. another consultant said that your dad goes to that temple, there are less than 1% indian, you cannot win this district. there were a lot of chance. one of the interesting things was what really turned me over to do this was i was at the firm institute and hillary clinton was the speaker. she was there giving a speech to a few hundred people, and she said that everybody is going to tell you why you shouldn't do it. and that is all the reasons why you should. i will tell you that anybody who says i can't bear it, it only motivates me more. i didn't see young moms running for office. i didn't see a lot of women. i didn't business people running for office. that really was more what many see that we need more people. the reason i wrote the book is that after i won the governor's race, so many people said after

seeing what you went through, i would never run for office. that was the total opposite of what i wanted them to take from my race. yes, we ran through the challenges, but look what i'm able to do now in south carolina. i'm able to actually move the ball. i don't think there is any reason why we don't see a lot of women -- women just don't run. they just don't run. we need more women in office, more real people in office. more business people. we don't need these people who have thought all their life about being a politician, we need people who have lived their life's. >> you immediately once you got into the state house, you started insisting on transparency and how the legislators were voting, you ran into a firestorm. >> it was one of those that when i first got into office, no one

knew what to make of me. i have defeated their friends. no one wanted to share an office with me, share a desk with me -- there happened to be another person who had defeated the majority leader. we were the two outsiders, and we became just makes and office mates and it worked out great. i saw a lot of things that i thought were wrong when i got there. one was in south carolina, legislators didn't have to show their votes on the record. all the voting was by voice vote. i watch this build it right across the desk, and they said they were increasing our taxes for themselves. all in favor say aye, all opposed say nay. there was. i rented the speaker, and i said we are republicans. what did we just do? i don't understand. the next day i went and i said, i am filing a bill that says anything important enough to be debated on the floor of the

house or senate is important not for legislators to know how they vote. our leadership said put the bill away. we don't need to have it. we will decide what the public needs to see and what they don't. i have my husband in the room. stand up and wave, let everyone see her. i remember saying that night if i can't get legislators to vote on the record, i don't need to be here. i made it decision -- he made a decision to fight anyway. i took on the fight. i went across the state and said did you know of all bills passed, only 8% from the record? did you know of all bills passed in the senate, only 1% is on the record? then i said if you didn't know how the legislators in the house voted92% of the time -- he didn't know how your senators voted 99% of the time -- south carolina was astonished.

>> what was interesting was that was my fourth year in office, and my first year in office i was chairman of the freshman class, second year i was majority, dirtier i was put on a powerful business committee, and my fourth year i was subcommittee chair of banking. the year that i wouldn't put that bill away. the year that i thought it the votes needed to be showed on the record. he stripped me of everything. they took away all the power i had. while the leadership was showing this is what we do in the club, i was showing legislators this is what happens when we step out of line. so i ran for governor. [laughter] >> and i am proud to say that within our first couple of months, i signed a bill that every legislator chose their vote in the state of south carolina, and it shows their vote on every section of the budget. [applause] >> it was in that governor's race that you faced some of the

most hateful and shameful attacks. i think, just to give a site into this book, anyone who is thinking about running for office, they should read the whole book. at a minimum, they should read the bottom of page 151 and goes to page 152. governor haley says -- she talks about those attacks, and says that all of her old instinct to fight through the adversities, to prove myself to skeptics and critics started to come alive. while some will be using this is a chance to destroy me and my family, i would use it to strengthen myself and protect my family. i think it is one of those points that may seem obvious, but so much of politics today can be so nasty. the decision -- to say not just that i'm going to ignore it, but to take the attack and use it to make you stronger is really brilliant. i would like to talk a little

bit about that. how did you decide you are going to fight through this and not let them take you down? >> the interesting thing was i was nikki haley for most of the race. what we did have is a conservative message. i have a lot of passion, and we had a grassroots movement. as i was going across, none of the other candidates work knowledge in me. then they started to see movement. the second that [inaudible] said we were number one in the polls was in about three or four days. i looked at michael, and we celebrated for all of five minutes, then i said something was going to hurt. something had happened. within four or five days, it was everything under the sun that came out. what they don't understand is that only motivated me to fight more. it was everything in politics. that's what they were trying to do. what i was going to show them is that i was not going to be distracted. i told him it was absolute lies,

it was false, and i told him this is exactly why we need to look at somebody new for governor. and it worked. >> and i wonder how many of those consultants who wouldn't take your money back in 2004 have since been back around trying to knock on your door? >> they are my best friends now. [laughter] >> sitting here where we are today in washington dc, the idea of the damage that washington can do around the country and the damage that the federal government can do, in particularly, this administration, can sometimes be theoretical. as governor of south carolina, you have experienced it firsthand. arthur mentioned the battle with the national labor relations board. it is a stunning story. a story that has a good ending, but i think it would be helpful if you talk about that fight you had to wage. >> coveting coming into the governorship, i knew that we would have to deal with issues.

i knew that we had to reform government. what i never knew is that the hardest part about my job would be the federal government. we passed the illegal immigration reform, the department of justice stopped us. we passed a voter id to show picture id, the department of justice stopped us. now we are getting ready in the next couple of weeks to pass a bill that says if you're going to get on unemployment benefits, you have to pass adjustment. i am expecting a fight there. what i never thought we would see is the most un-american thing, which is this great american company and said we're going to put a plan in south carolina. created a thousand new jobs in south carolina. at the same time, expanded their employment in washington state by 2000. not one person was hurt, yet president obama and the national labor relations board said they couldn't do it.

an american company did then i watched resident obama give that speech in front of the joint session of congress and he said i want to see things made in america. i remember saying, i have some planes, i'm trying to have you make in charleston, south carolina, and are stopping them. god bless the fact that we had an election year, we have a president that is nervous, and that suit got locked down. but what was once 1000 employees in going is now 600 employees and going. they are getting ready to roll out on the runway this spring. that is what america is about. when we move out of the way and let the private sector work. >> we move ahead now to 2011. your decision early on to endorse governor romney. it is clear in the book that governor romney endorsed you. he is someone you have a lot of respect for. but it was a decision that was

controversial, especially among the tea party. not all of them were so happy to support him. talk about how you made the decision and how you felt about the criticism that came from your supporters. >> a lot of it was that i knew that i needed a partner in the white house. what i knew is that i didn't have it. i couldn't do the will of the people. i was not having that. i tried to think of what i wanted. michael and i sat down and we tried to figure out how we were going to decide. we had so many candidates. i did a report card on the legislators. i got the report card out and said unto them michael said why don't you do a report card on the candidate's? what i knew is that i did not want anyone who had anything to do with the chaos of washington. we have seen where it has gotten us, and i wanted someone outside of washington. the second thing is that i wanted somebody who knew what it

was like to create jobs, someone who knew what it was like to start a business and also knows what it's like when it fails. then i wanted results. i looked at governor romney and sought that he was a governor that went into a democratic state, liberal state, and was an executive who cut taxes 19 times. what if we had that in washington? on top of that, was the fact that i knew him, i knew his family, i knew where they were, i knew how he wasn't just a candidate that wanted to win. this is someone who had thought for the last four years how we would handle the situation had he been president. all of those things together let me know that that was the right person. now, going in, i felt like i needed to do what was right that would allow me to sleep at night. i was very comfortable with that.

the tea party was a great support to me. i am a huge fan of the tea party, because they are not a party at all. they are republicans, democrats, and independents who have said they had enough. what they want is someone who understands the value of the dollar. they want someone who is understands that government works for the people and not the other way around. they want someone to understand that the protections and freedoms and liberties matter. the first thing i did was sat down with governor romney and said i had tough questions to ask you. i said i don't want mandatory health care in the state of south carolina. i said we cannot afford it and we don't want it. and he said on the first day i will repeal it. what we did in massachusetts work for massachusetts. i would never do a federal national mandate. i said that i need to know that if i passed the legal immigration reform in south carolina or any bill, that the federal government is not going to stop the will. he said i was a governor of the state. you have to be able to governor

state without the federal government getting in the way. i will always support those things. that was really what got me. it was tea party values that i asked them questions on, and i got responses back. i can tell you that while some members of the tea party might be disappointed come you can't please everybody all the time. but there is no one or two people that speaks for the tea party. that's what makes them great. they are not a label, they don't vote in a block. they have independent thinking, and they did that. you will see even in the state of south carolina, i'm very confident that governor romney will be the nominee. i believe that i really did the right thing. >> how you account for the fact that he was able to carry south carolina even after the endorsement. >> south carolina has very strong, independently minded people. i get asked all the time if i took that personally. no, that is what i love about people of south carolina. they will do what they want to

do. i respect them to do that. and i also appreciate the fact that they respect that i decided on who i wanted to endorse. i was comfortable with it. >> i know you have said publicly, definitively it sounds like, that you are not interested in being on the ticket if the governor asked you. but what about a cabinet vote? if you sit here and think that nikki haley would be a great secretary of labor, secretary of commerce, do you ever think to yourself that i could make a difference in south carolina, perhaps in the romney cabinet, i could be making a difference there too. >> my decision, and when you read all the challenges we went through to become governor, the people of south carolina took a chance on me. it is important for me that people trust their government. i made a commitment to them. i have a job to finish, and i want to make them proud. whether it is vice president or cabinet position, i need to

finish the job it was given to me. i love the state south carolina and i love being governor, and i will fight for the nominee in every way to show how it has her carolina and hal we have been through things. >> i want to ask you one last question before we open up to the audience. that is about women. you have a chapter dedicated to strong conservative women, governor palen, we are in the midst by the mainstream media and other party, i would like you to talk about your perception of that and your perception of the role of women going forward for the country, not just for parties. >> i'm a huge fan of women. i think that we are great. i think what the issue really is that not enough women are

running. we need more women in office. we have great experiences, we are moms, daughters, sisters. we went through a lot. i would love to see more women and office. i think it is just that women tend to second-guess themselves. they think about their families first and think about what if this or that happens. what i will say to women is that we will be a better country when we have more in office. we will be better for that. governor palen is a perfect example -- she came to the state and i tell this story in the book. we are sitting and talking and yes, we are comparing shoes and boots and talking about all those things, but we talked about family and leadership. she said when you start to wind, they are going to come after you. she said after you become governor, it is never going to top. she was so right. i just saw her a couple of days ago and you were so right. it never stops. for us, what we have to do, is

say our message. don't get distracted. are they going to try to block it, absolutely. we are tough and we are confident we are smart. we will continue to prove that there is no amount of attacks that are going to stop us. we're going to keep on fighting and keep on winning. i think that is the biggest message of the day. we are not going to [inaudible]. we are going to prove the results. >> the point you make in the book so well as we are about opportunities. >> we are. >> the issues women care about is the jobs and the economy and making sure kids can go to school and the kids are safe. those are all areas that will be better off. >> it is interesting, the mainstream media wants to label us as being one issue voters. we care about the jobs and economy and health care and all those rings. we are very thoughtful in the way we think about it. that is exactly right. i think that the media is

actually afraid of women, and i will tell you that i wear heels, it's not for a fashion statement, it is ammunition. >> on that note, ammunition is always a good place to end. the governor will be happy to take any questions folks have about the book or anything ousts. >> yes. >> there are people walking around with microphones. >> i would like to ask you what would you say to republicans who feel that mitt romney is not conservative but not. there is questions about his conservative credentials, especially his social conservatism? >> i can tell you from a personal front, those were some of the questions that i asked them as well. i asked him about family, and he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman. i am strongly pro-life, not

because the party tells me to be, but because michael was adopted and we had difficulty having our children. i asked him about that. if you look at his -- and i questioned him on that. if you look at his record as governor, he always voted on the side of life and took action on the tide of light. there's not one time when he didn't. what i will tell you is that as we are going through this process, people are really looking at what they want and they are doing the right thing. that is the great part of our democracy. what we all agree on regardless of who that republican candidate is that they may be supporting, we all know what we don't want. that is what we have had for the past three years. i think everybody will come back to that in the end. >> my question is about indian americans. how you can bring that part of the world to america.

obama is investing so much money. he took the budget from nine to $15 billion. [inaudible question] we have given 1700 [inaudible]. [inaudible question] it is costing us 400 -- [inaudible]. [inaudible question] if you are offered a job with mitt romney, would you accept a? >> first, i will start with the first part of your question, which is -- i educate people on the greatness of the indian community. i am incredibly proud.

indians are great at medicine and business and education and teaching. all of that. the one thing that they had lacked on is being involved in government and politics. in the next generation, you will see that we are starting to realize that we have to have that role. we have to have that voice. whether it is bobby jindal or others around the country that have chosen to get into office, that is a good thing. the other thing i want for people to know about the indian community is that it is one of the minorities that is the highest educated and highest or kappa of any minority in the country. it is one of the minorities that is the least dependent on government assistance. the one i love -- we're the one minority that is the most solid of any minority in the country. those are all things i'm incredibly proud of. what we are taught growing up is the best way to appreciate god's blessings is to give back. you see that through service and

through charity. getting into what i would do it about accepting a position -- i'm not going to do anything but be a great governor in south carolina. what we have seen with president obama is that he really goes back to that new deal concept that government can fix all things. we have seen more debt with president obama in three years than we saw with president bush in eight years. that is what we are trying to change. we have to get out of this debt. i care about that for my children and grandchildren. we have not spinning. if you're going to ask every other governor in the country to balance the budget, washington has to do so as well. that is at the heart of everything we're talking about. they need to tell us where they need to spend. on foreign relations, the hot night situation says it all. we do not know what he is thinking from a foreign affairs standpoint. and that is scary.

>> governor haley, you talked about immigration. i think the republican party commitment to enforcing the rule when it comes to illegal immigration is valid and commendable. but i think the other part of the equation gets left out a little bit. could you talk about how the republican party needs to change both its perception among the public and voters, as well as subsequent policy issues on what we can do for legal immigration in this country? >> and we passed eight legal immigration reform in south carolina. unfortunately, president obama is not letting us enforce that. as the daughter of immigrant parents who came here legally, they put in the time and money and came here the right way, they are offended by people who don't come the right way. a second thought is that we are

a country of law. the data we stop becoming a country of law is when we lose everything that makes us great. what do i think? i think we need to enforce our illegal immigration laws. but we also need to look at expanding our work hours in the situation. immigrants are what make this country great. we need their expertise, we need their research. we need the technologies that they're able to bring. that we need to do all of that legally. there are two sides to it. i think that the republicans probably could go talk about the fact about yes, we do want immigrants. we want them legally. we do think that they are valuable. i think they probably need to stress that as much as they stress that they don't want illegal immigration. >> i just had a quick question about having read some chapters of your book and i was wondering, if you felt any sort

of shared experience with president obama, given that he came from not the most ideal situation to be in office. being an african-american and growing up in difficult circumstances. did you feel a shared experience of any sort, or would you say that his party is blocking that? >> of coarse not. what i hope that my story tells, what i hope that everybody feels is the pride of living in this country. the one thing my parents said over and over again was only in this country can you be anything you want to be and no one's going to get in your way. president obama is proof of that. i am proof of that. look at any entrepreneur that started from challenges and how they became successful. we have examples across the country in business and education and sport and

politics. that is the highlight of this country. that is what we need to grasp onto. i want people to be proud of where we live. i am proud of where we live. my parents are proud of where we live. party or no party, nobody can take that away from us. >> a question for you, governor. if the affordable health care act survives in the supreme court, what impact will that have on your state's budget, the increased medicaid spending that the law requires? >> our state along with every other state will be devastated. what you'll see in south carolina alone, our annual budget is $5 billion. the affordable health care act will cost us 5 billion over 10 years. we cannot afford it. we will go bankrupt.

the part about health care that we need to understand is i strongly believe the individual mandate is unconstitutional. the second side is that i believe that states are the best to make these decisions. what i would like to see is for washington to be able to let us decide the best way to spend the money. south carolina is not like california or texas or michigan. all of the states -- we have different issues. in south carolina, our issues are education and poverty. i know what we were given that money, we would spend less money. we would be more effective on how we treat our patients. if the affordable health care act goes into place. you will see a lot of private-sector companies pay the penalty and throw it to government. we will see less quality in health care and higher costs. the goal of every say right now is how do we get the most help for the least amount of money?

what i'm asking is don't tell me how to do it. what we are trying to do in succulent is make sure their are transparency with the patient to the doctor and the doctor to the insurance company. if we were to treat health care like we treated getting our oil changed at the car dealership or maintenance shop, what would have been? you go in, you tell them what you want, they show you the list of things you're getting ready to pay for, you sign it and then you do it. if people actually got involved in their health care decisions, if they were able to say at the dennis, i don't want the fluoride and i don't want to pay that or i don't want to pay the $10 on a tylenol, look at how much we would save and how much more involved we would be. we wouldn't want certain tests or need certain medications. we actually do a lot of things that doctors tell us to do, and 50% we would not do if we knew the costs associated. my hope is that we learned a great lesson from this. i think the lesson is that we need to address health care, every state needs to do it and

do it individually with their own programs and plans, not because it's mandatory. >> yes. >> i hope this question doesn't come off shallow. you mentioned high heels, and i know women in government pays a lot of critique for what they were and how they style their hair, whether it is pilloried clinton growing her hair out or sarah palen's close costs. i'm curious if you think much about how your dressing, how you're presenting yourself and if you gotten any flak from that. >> i will tell you that the thing that surprises me is how much people won't let you forget about what you look like. continental tire announced their largest investment in north

america in a small town called sumter. we went there for the announcement. it was either continental tire or austin candy. either way, it was a great economic development. there were lots of jobs. one of the stories they talked about was did you see the governor's shoes? i was shocked by that. the number of people that e-mail me and ask, why don't you where it hangs? you don't look finished. it is because i'm allergic to metal. i can't do that. but i will tell you, again, it goes back to there are not enough women in office. you have hillary clinton. they talk about her hair and clothes. sarah palen went through that. they talked about her glasses and suit. i go through that. but you just have to laugh it off. what we have to do is work a little bit harder. what we have to do is make sure that we focus on the results. it is not what they say, it is what we do. it is about the job and the

reforms that we do. i could make jokes, that i had a completely male senate. but it is all in fun. we can't take it too seriously. we just have to take it in stride. >> in the back? over their? >> you router self out of the presidential ticket. you called allen west a good option. i was wondering if you could elaborate more on why you would recommend him if your topic is him and if he could talk about other people we met them at first of all, i'm not recommending anybody. i'm not qualified to do that. what i was saying is that the people that have been mentioned, and all of those people had been mentioned as vice presidential nominees. i think there will be a slew of people. i mentioned that allen west had come up, chris christie had come

up, marco rubio has. what i said is the vice presidential candidate, i'm not worried about that at all. we have great people. we will have a great vice presidential candidate. but i also don't know that i'm the one who needs to recommend who that should be. i think that mitt romney will have a tough time. i think whatever it is, it will excite people and whoever it is will be a good partner for the ticket. >> we have time for one more question. >> you talked about the policy requiring all state employees [inaudible] especially in agencies like the department of sections. >> one of the things i do talk about that is in the book is well is coming into office. what i realized was how negative it will work did i think that has been the hardest part.

i am a positive person by nature, and they were very negative. i kept saying how can we make this tape out? we build planes and cars and tires, charleston was named the number one vacation spot in the country, and i wanted people to take all of that in. one day i was thinking in my office and i went to the secretary and said i want to try something. i said, the next time you answer the phone, say it's a great day in south carolina, how may i help you? and she did. the person's answer was, it is a great day in south carolina. i said that's it. we're going to do it. what i required was all of my agencies to answer the phone. there were two sides to that. the media wanted to pick up on one side. one was that i wanted employees to feel proud of where they were. i wanted everybody to be proud of the fact that we are in a great state that is in good standing right now. we have our challenges, yes, but

every day is getting better than the day before. the second part was more important. how may i help you? government is in the customer service business. i wanted everybody in state government to answer the phone to understand they work for the person on the other side of the line. their job was to make sure that they solved their problems, they sent them to where they needed to go, and they made sure that they were taking care of by the time they got off. there were two sides to that. i will tell you that while the media and a couple of legislators thought that it was terrible, everybody in my cabinet has appreciated it. now i don't go anywhere in south carolina or outside where they don't say it's a great day in south carolina. the department of juvenile justice, i will give you that example. you talked about corrections, and that is very true -- the department of juvenile justice -- the director started implementing it. the first day after it was implemented, she drove up to the guards gave and the officer that was opening the gate said good

morning, it's a great day in south carolina. and she loved it. now all the garden gates, as you are going in, they say it's a great day in south carolina. the media called the substance-abuse director and said you have people with substance abuse, what would he think of that? he said it best thing. i want people to know that it's going to be okay. we are going to be all right. that is the thing. now, are their victims assistance that we waved? of course. but in most cabinets, they welcomed it and appreciated it, and it is giving everyone is new happy life for themselves. we celebrate our state, we brag about her stay. i will tell you, it has been a great thing for south carolina. >> i want to take the prerogative of sitting up here to ask the last question. it is to get your assessment on 2012. we are very close to being in the general election. we have seen over the last

couple of days the path that president obama is trying to take. his comments about the supreme court's role in the rose garden, comments that we know he can't think are true even if he's a constitutional law scholar, and also he is going after both governor romney and chairman ryan. talk about how we as republicans can effectively counter what we now know is going to be the obama message? very important going into november. for all of us to remember. we need to focus on one thing. that is president obama's record. he is going to continue to distract. that it is his job. we are going to continue the states focus. that is our job. look at the economy, the deck on the loss of the credit rating, the gas prices, the fact that we have not balance the budget. stay on that message.

this is a man who came into office as a candidate talking about hope and change. nothing that he has tried to do has worked. now he is going to scare the american public into thinking that they better reelect him or it's going to get worse. to have him be such able he and school republicans and say, i can't believe that you're trying to cut and reform these entitlements and try to prioritize spending -- that's exec with what we want. he is going back to the new deal looking for government to grow and save everybody -- i'm telling you that the rest of the american public is saying that's not what we want. government messes up more than it fixes. we realize that now. there is a terminus opportunity after seeing him fall apart a little bit, by bullying the supreme court, he has reached a new level of trying to figure out where he's going to go. he knows he can't go on his record. he's desperately trying to make sure that he goes somewhere else. what he is looking like is a

bully and he looks like he's panicking over a record he can't defend. he is looking like he cannot show leadership and he knows it. >> i hope that if you he won't be on the ticket, you will at least be across the country campaigning very vocally as we head towards november. >> that's a given. >> i want to recommend to everyone this trip it up and wonderful story. it's been a real pleasure. >> it is my honor. thank you so much. [applause] >> senators continued their recessed their week.

our booktv "book tv" programming continues a few moments with arizona governor jan brewer on her book "scorpions for breakfast." in a little more than a half hour, former michigan governor talks about her governor's story, the fight for jobs and america's economic future. then a forum on how the media covers the issue of race. then we will re-air governor nikki haley. in her remarks on her book, "can't is not an option."

april 15, 1912. the sinking of the ship that was called unsinkable. arizona governor jan brewer on her book "scorpions for breakfast." she spoke at the ronald reagan presidential library for a little more than a half hour.

>> for those i have not met, i think there are a couple of people who fall in that category. i am the executive rector of the ronald reagan executive foundation. it is my pleasure to welcome you all here this evening. in honor of our men and women in uniform who defend our freedom around the world, i would like to ask you to stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> thank you, please be seated. before we get started, i would like to recognize some special guest that we have with us this evening. i will start with what the ventura county clerk. mark, there you are. [applause] >> michael brewer, the son of

governor brewer. [applause] >> and of course, our library director. [applause] >> okay. i would like to take you all back in time to just under three years ago in january of 2009. i would like to play a little game with you. i want you to imagine waking up on the morning of january 21 of that year, to learn that you are about to become a governor of one of our 50 states. now, we're going to blindfold you and ask that you throw a dart at the map of the united states. whichever state it lands on, that is yours. you get to run it. some people here are probably

envisioning that their dart lands on california, so would we have someone who is finally in charge -- [laughter] [applause] -- to turn this state around. some might be thinking colorado for the great skiing. others might be thinking of florida for its water or vermont for its foliage. regardless of where you're aiming, your dart lands squarely in the middle of the state of arizona. some of you are probably imagining the glorious weather with over 300 days of sunshine each year. or it's fascinating native american and culture. were it the magnificent grand canyon, the red rocks of savanna, the forest, rivers, and

lakes that dot the landscape. our special guest today didn't hit arizona with a dart by luck. she became its 22nd governor after many years of tireless work, starting in the state legislator in 1982, working to the state senate in 1987, the chairman of the maricopa county in 1996, the secretary of state in 1993. in that time, she had never once lost an election. if she had to do it all over, i am sure that governor brewer, a 40 year resident of the state, will have chosen to live in arizona is her first choice no matter where the dart landed. what is the circumstances she inherited when she took the office where she might have wanted to see a change or two.

she has had her hands full. following the financial collapse of 2008, she inherited one of the worst financial crises of any state in the country. like most every other governor, she has had to fight to diversify arizona's economy, to improve its share of jobs, and reform its education system. very few governors, in fact, none -- have had to face the challenge of their federal government refusing to exercise its constitutional responsibility to protect its sovereignty and safety and well-being of its own citizens. governor brewer has. [applause] this governor did not back down wonder comes to protecting and

improving the lives of the people that her state -- [applause] -- [applause] -- and her life is a remarkable tale. if you didn't pick up her newest book when you came in here, i urge you to do so on your way out. it is a great story told by a great american cover but you governor. we are honored to have her this evening. please join me in welcoming governor jan brewer. [applause] >> thank you all very much. thank you. thank you and good evening to you all, and thank you john for that very kind introduction. i must tell you that it is an

extreme honor to be here with you all tonight in ronald reagan's library. it is quite awesome. thank you for allowing me to be here. i probably don't have to tell you that i love arizona. it is my home. it is an extraordinary place. after a long, hard day, i look forward to walking in my garden, to rest and relax and enjoy the wildlife, watched the sunset, and plan to challenges that i will have to face tomorrow. however, there is something special about being here in this place that fills me with great joy. it fills me with an overwhelming sense of peace. for me, this really is america's

chapel. a place to find confidence and faith in our destiny. and yes, dare i say it? our exceptionalism. [applause] >> outside these walls, those feelings have been hard to come by recently. especially for anyone paying attention to what is happening. not to mention to the governors who have been battling bureaucrats in washington. here in the reagan library, my spirit is listed. and i am filled with the renewed confidence in our country. i find myself thinking about young americans and how things will look for them in decades ahead. and how we must prepare our children to compete and succeed in a changing world. i know this much -- to envision

our future, we must understand our past. to decide who they will be and what they will give, young americans must grasp what they have received. the year i was born, america was a nation of 130 million people. only about 40% of our present size. the world was at war. three years earlier, we had been attacked at pearl harbor were the uss arizona still rests today. our country sent its sons to fight in unfamiliar places far from home. just as we have sent our sons and daughters today. we have sent so many, and so many were lost in the outposts and battle deals from world war

ii, more than 3000 americans would not return home. >> it is hard to fathom those numbers today. very few americans even know them. the remaining survivors of that conflict, the last of the generation which faced tyranny, are in their late '80s, and their late '90s. soon, they will all be gone. four years from now we will pay tribute to our nation's veterans. this is a good time for remembrance. dwight eisenhower told his troops near the beaches of normandy, they were about to embark upon a great crusade. the eyes of the world are upon you, he said. the hopes and prayers of liberty loving people everywhere are with you. our brothers in arms on the front, you will think about the

destruction of german war machine's, the elimination of the tyranny over the oppressed peoples of europe and security for ourselves in a free world. ronald reagan called them the boys of pointe to hawk. the men who took the clip. ..

even in the ad, my dad struggled for breath. he never would regret serving his country and i am project how you. i am also project how you the most important mentor in my life as i matter. see a notice like to be a single mom, struggling to make ends meet and caring for your family. as my father died. my mother had to support her

family. she got a serious mantra shop and i were side-by-side with her until the time she saw the last 20 years old. she set a classroom for me where i learned the importance of hard work, responsibility, honesty, integrity and yes, courage for my mother's will. i think about my mother every day, especially since i was challenged with the opportunity to become governor of arizona. i say challenged because i inherited the worst state budget deficit in the nation. wow, i am my mother's daughter. have a problem solver. i made a lot of painful decisions. some still weigh heavily on my

heart. expenditures are down 20%. it employs down on the 16% and state employees, including me took a 5% pay cut during the craze says. but you know what? we now have a balanced budget and a positive cash balance for the first time in years and it feels darn good. [applause] our state government is smaller. our state government is more efficient. our state government is focused on the future. arizona has poised to move into our second century, with the creation of a new model to advance our economy. the commerce authority is a public-private entity focused solely on quality joblessness and improvement.

meanwhile education arizona is transformed and supported by education all across america. call arizona ready. reengage him as a crassest day to take charge of children's education and expect more from schools. as reforming adoption of higher academic standards and the elimination of teacher tenure. given retention priorities to teachers based on seniority and ensuring arizona has state-of-the-art educational data system and teachers have real-time information that can be used to include instruction so that they can be held accountable for their results. now, fixing what affects our great nation will not be so

easy. however, if there is one thing i learned from my mother and my years of public service, it is that life is about choices. it is that doing the right thing almost always means doing the heard and. it is choosing but it's tough over what is tempting. it is choosing pictures follow over the false. speaking about choices, voters had before the 1984 election, president ronald reagan said, and i quote, the choices this year are not just between two different personalities or between two political parties. they are between two different visions of the future, two fundamentally different ways of governing. the government of pessimism, fear and laments an hour of

hope, confidence and growth, and of quote. it seems to me there are still two very different visions of the future. we face increasing economic and military challenges around the world. yet we have a president more inclined to apologize for americana and to first uphold her principles. we have a president who seeks deeper division to class warfare, calculated politics of envy and cynical appeals for racial grievance, even as the issues and astounding call for stability. we can front persistence, economic instability in the decline. yet we have a president who demands more of the same big government access that triggered

it. but what should bother us noticed is that we have a president to suggest that america is not an exceptional nation. imagine. what other country has sent its finest young as men and women to fight on battlefields for justice and peace? but other nations ever rose to set strengths, yet was not to conquer, but to protect? but other nations have acted not to dominate, but to the very? we are an exceptional nation already. that is just a fact. [applause] written in blood and sacrifice

of american page units and their families, president obama doesn't have much in common with ronald reagan, but the principal difference between the two men is fairly simple. one long to spread the wealth, the other live to spread freedom. and my book, "scorpions for breakfast," ayatollahs may binning with president obama in the oval office i looked him in the eye and i told him i didn't want to talk about his so-called comprehensive immigration reform, where our reporter was out of control. i stand here today aiming to make a simple case on the subject of america's border with mexico and our immigration policy. i know members will be deserted by those who disagree. my opponents have already

painted me as hardhearted, and compassionate. they are wrong. my career, my record, my life i'll stand as proof as to how wrong the critics are. the truth have come to share with you is anything but hateful. it has nothing to do with skin color, nothing to do with extremism. instead, it is rooted in freedom. my crew shares the spirit of our founding fathers class to form a more perfect union, establish justice and provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty. we must secure arizona and american southern borders. that is my truth. we must secure our borders to

keep our citizens safe. we must secure a reporter because we a nation of laws. we must secure our relationship with mexico. there is no other choice, no next best is your truth. of course, there are those back in washington who will tell us from 3000 miles away but our border is more secure than ever. tell that to the survivors of robert krentz come a dedicated community minded men shot to death on the county ranch's father had called home for more than 100 years. tell that to friends and relatives of grave and noble patrol agent ray and terry, is that at the border again that

was orange by our own federal governments, allowing guns to be shipped into mexico and the scandalous fast and furious operation. tell that to the arizona to wake up to find roots in progress or witness high-speed chase is on our freeways in our neighborhood. or who spend hours in an overburdened emergency room on a saturday night while waiting and consoling a suffering child. tell that to our taxpayers prepared to spend some south, overflowing with more than 630,000 illegal alien felons at a cost of more than $1.6 billion each year. those are the facts plain and simple. our opponents are self-styled do-gooders. they finish out, heat and

denounce. to disagree with that i learned is to suffer incredible verbal abuse. but let me assure you. i can live with those consequences because i believe in the true and i believe in taking action to protect our hard-won freedom. i sometimes wonder where the present time is inevitable and whether in fact the struggle will make us stronger. i believe the american people are taking the same right now i'm moving to correct the course. the 2010 election was historic and consequential. and if we continue to pull together and work hard, it is going to be another like in a year from now.

[applause] banaras here in february, president reagan's centennial birthday party, former senator john gaspard described ronald reagan as an example of someone who lived the life given to an on a lamp stand, signing not on his stuff, but on america and on to the world. it is ronald reagan's america. it is the special city on a hill. and i believe it is not shining city where we meet ronald reagan again one day. n.b. it was to take his hand and thank him for the nation he preserved for us. as a western governor, let me close with the famous prophecy of an english poet, one that

mark thatcher quoted to ronald reagan as he headed to his california ranch and his retirement. and not by the eastern window of only when daylight comes -- comes in the light. and the sun climbs slowly. how slowly? but the land is straight. thank you and may god bless you and your family and may god always bless the united states of america. [applause] thank you. [applause] >> thank you so very, very much.

>> we have time just to a few questions and then the governor will be signing books for those of you who were wise enough to get one and still look at one. if i could just ask one favor before you ask your question. if he could raise a hand you can see we have staff finish of the isles. if you would appear him hand out of your microphone and introduce yourself and we'll go from there. >> i and john from burbank and i was wondering if there is any possibility of using study resources to prosecute the people involved in fast careers.

[applause] >> you now, first we have to find the details and certainly the investigation going on, but i would assume that will be handled in a federal level. i will tell you, as you well know there of course are cutting budgets under control we don't have a whole lot of money, but i think certainly we will see prosecution and they will be held accountable for what is taking place in arizona, and their personae. >> over here. >> recurring days k-kilo communications. i decide to take you for a champions sp 1070. i may have a recent press release that does other to the supreme court. would you consider champ and the immigration issue within the gop and may be inviting some of the other governors who are facing the same situation you face right now?

>> i think each state we believe certainly in the federalism lot that they have other rights, but we have all been going together, knowing certainly what america is facing. i have so many of our governors, not only close to the americana, the threat that has been very, very supportive of us and we certainly reach out and support them. if we don't get that sound, there probably will be a national movement. but i have really looking forward to the next election and it's going to count on a lot of people. i think it we see an exceptional election in 2012, we might have the bottle of wine. clark mark >> victor from calabasas. my impression of the current administration is their belief system is that this is a fair

world annually to keep us ahead is to accomplish something. there is a recent statement on the part of the administration but as you said earlier, it has less exceptionalism. the two are in conflict with each other. you can't have one and the other at the same time. if you're running things, what would be things he was suggested in the country around somewhat quickly and somewhat effectively? >> first and foremost we have to remember what america is built on and we all know america is all about freedom. i believe so strongly and i think every president in every administration not to look to the state to give them the federal responsibility that are given to them in the constitution. i also believe it is responsibility to have congressman. i see a complete division between the federal government and state government.

the federal government just simply can't do it all. we know better in our state what is best for our people than the federal government knows 6000 miles away from us and they just keep conflict gain upon us and it continues to continually mandate and mandate. so i say no way, not under any circumstances will you do that. we hear from every governor in the state republican and democrat. get the government out of our lives. get our tax situation under control. get our health situation under control and it certainly isn't obamacare. [applause] in arizona was one of the states that led the charge on that and we'll continue to do what we believe is right. i think if we get back her principles about this country was founded on, america would be

a great country that we now sell well, that exceptional country that we have sought for and that we need tuning team and it's going to take all of us, you and i and everyone in america fighting to spread the truth. i will again tell you, doing the right thing almost always means doing the hard thing. but americans are up to it. [applause] >> hi, governor brewer. i'm a teacher updates. i don't have a specific question, that you are the reason that i got involved locally and politics. they were from the lake and report one time. i was terrified that in california, had to be conservative in that kind of place, but after i saw you standing next to that fine in

america is saying stay out, which is its dangers in our own country. when i saw you standing up to obama and he didn't back down and everyone kept me she's going to give in. she's going to chicken out. and you never did. and used all you wanted to defend your own state. and i can't shut up in a bar. i never well a god. [applause] >> that is exactly what the republican party needs and i so much appreciate your comments. and it is amazing to think about about our federal government coming in eight miles north of the border and putting signs in my district where we walk behind spain travel at your own risk

and if you see anything call 9-1-1. it's a federal issue. the call 9-1-1. i wonder you think is answering a phone call this 9-1-1. and that is not protected by state. that is flat-out surrender. [applause] and we know it is just absolutely being with all of you tonight is like being actually in the state sport is amongst the storm. if we don't all come together and stand on their principles and get the right path, the great people that date, where we going to be. we will have no one to blame but ourselves. [applause] time for one last question. here tonight, governor brewer.

i was just curious if you had planned to write just make an endorsement for the nomination. >> well, i've been asked out by a lot of people as i've been traveling around the united states and of course people have been calling and say who are you going to support? but he going to do? i keep saying i'm going to wait until i have my debate in arizona, which we are working on and hopefully have some really defined questions answered that will satisfy me. however, let me say i think we have a great bench of candidate willing to stand up and share with us what they believe they can do for this great country of ours. i'm going to hold off and wait until i am totally satisfied to let their answers are in regards to our jobs and our economy in regards to it they do about our

defense and how they will handle health care and illegal immigration. [applause] announced that he was going to take us all again. i can't say this much more because i've been a grassroots worker for the republican party for probably 45 years. and lisa strumpet in her principles and philosophy that i'm not going to start. i don't want to stop and i would just share with you that i started out aipac called the impact that they are asking for people to participate in so that we can work a lot to bleed together across the united states to get the repeat old into the right office is to protect us and our principles. [applause]

>> senators continued their recess this week. booktv in prime time on c-span 2. maronite discussions about a writer's life. eddie and mr. and worker anthony sanchez discuss

>> martin luther king is a man of all the people i've met and talked with and spent time with over the years, a man that i am most american individual that i admire most of all. he is my personal hero. why do? because martin luther king put his money where his mouth was. >> gennifer granholm served two

terms as governor of michigan. in some three she talked about how her to doubt the declining economy and the shrinking manufacturing base. she spoke in san francisco for a little more than an hour. [applause] >> hello, everyone. [applause] >> i can't institute such a robust crowd. thank you so much for the warm welcome. no, you go. >> we thought what she would do is just have a conversation which is in many ways that the book is, is altered in long conversations about what it happened and where we had then. so a kind of kick things back and forth, saving time at the end to hear your thoughts and questions about the relevance of the governor's story and of where america goes next.

so when people hear jennifer's native state, think about michigan -- not natives. she's going to start already. born in canada, recent california. and people here think of michigan, they think of detroit. they think of gm, ford and chrysler and we may well talk about them tonight. but i thought it would be good if you start with a small town that nobody's ever heard of called greenville, which is in the middle of michigan about 8000 people because i don't think that if there had not been the story, jennifer will tell you about greenville that they would be a governor story. to me, my experience, our experience was a crystallizing tank. >> it was, thank you so much. >> so michigan, automotive

state, manufacturing state and i am elected as governor in 2002 and took office in january of 2003. and if you recall 2001, 2002 the nation is emerging for recession. there was all this talk about whether he was going to a stimulus to happen for the state and eat it passed a stimulus package. when he took office in 2003, the economists were saying that michigan would be able to rise the cycle up, that would be bouncing back alive with the rest of the nation because of course this is just another cycle that we were going through and win the nation catches a cold, michigan catches pneumonia because we were making things that people buy, but large things like cars. select and my through struggle that things are going to bounce back and i kept waiting and everyone is saying this is a

really good time to be elected governor because you are coming into. things are going to emerge will be an excellent time to claim for resurgence of michigan. at the end of the first year when the jobs were not bouncing back, even though national economy started to recover, i was scratching over why this is not the case. i got a call from the head of her michigan economic development corporation, which is our economic development arm in michigan. and he said governor, we have a big problem. they said what is there? is a greenville, in michigan we carry maps on the ends of our hands. anyone here from michigan? look at you all. so you know. so i map of michigan and greenville kind of almost as close to lansing in the center of the state. he says there is this tiny town called greenville and they are about to lose their enormous refrigerator factory. in fact, greenville had called itself the refrigerator capital

of the world. they in fact, in this tiny town of 8000 people have north america's largest refrigerator fact three contemplate 2,750,000 people who lived in that town, which was g-golf 8000 people are grand parents and kids is the one company town. the whole town had grown up around the refrigerator manufacturing. so he says they are going to leave. they are going to move to mexico. i said no they are not. we are going to go to greenville. we will put whatever incentives we have on the table and make them an offer they can't refuse. we went to greenville and they're in a about the size of this little town in the mayor was fair and the city manager was there and the guy who was responsible for the community college was there and the workers were there and represented, the whole time and a representative showed up to try to prevent electrolux, which

operated the refrigerator factory from moving to barbara's, mexico. we put everything we had on the table. everybody emptied their pockets figuratively at their chips and we made a big pile and flood the pile across the table to the management of electrolux and in the pio was zero taxes for 20 years. we offered to build them an entirely new factory. workers represented by the uaw offered $30 million in concessions every single year. they didn't want us to tell anyone how many they were offering because they were afraid of copycat requests from others who want concessions. our pile of incentive was worth hundreds of millions of dour pih hundreds of millions of dollars. in the management took our list of incentives and when outside the room for 17 minutes and they came back and and they said wow,

this is really generous. this is the most generous offer we have ever been presented with. but there is nothing you can do to overcome the fact that we can pay $1.57 an hour in mexico. there is nothing you can do. seven months that the last refrigerator came off the line there was a gathering in the town and it was that the employees. and the employees called the gathering the last supper. it was at a big pavilion called hot coals orchard pavilion. i went to this gathering and what didn't the big pavilion and there was a band playing sad music and people were sitting around a top tables, checkered tablecloth, eating out of box lunches and started saying, what are you going to do next? it was like an eight community

grieving almost. and i went up to the first table as his announcer is coming, but i felt like a part of this community and felt like we across this huge thing and this guy comes up to me and he's got his two daughters and his baseball cap on backwards and it got tattoos on. and he says to the governor, these are my two daughters. they were young teenagers. and he said, i have worked to miss that very for 30 years. i am 40 years old. from high school to factory. my father worked at this factory. my grandfather worked at this factory. he said all i know is how to make refrigerators. and then he put his hand on his chest and he says the governor, who is ever going to hire me? who is ever going to hire me? it wasn't just him.

it is workers all over the country that are experienced team the ramifications of globalization and it wasn't just greenville, either. >> so let me just pick up the tailgate of little bay. we try to do in this story was kind of share how piece by piece these things came out. as either jennifer had this up to miss them about how things are going to turn around. we've always had the cyclical economy. all of us in america are sane okay, where's the upturned and the tao if you've been watching the last few weeks is up and back down up, back down. one of the questions that we had was when the sitcom classics one of the things that we learned is that the recovery actually came from the recession was not his real in the first decade as we

thought. at that may sound ridiculous, but let me explain. here's where probably sounds ridiculous. he would not know this, but america lost 42,000 factories in the first decade of this century. 42,000. so on average, 1000 estate, thousands that were shut down. so what happened is we lost 2.5 million jobs among american companies several multinational companies, that had a present somewhere else. we lost 2.5 million jobs here but the crazy things as jennifer and i start to look numbers start to see experience after experience like the one she just described, known as poignant or just nuclear is greenville wise, but experience after experiencing jennifer is getting what she called warnock notices for a company that employs over 500 people i think.

>> do not play at the 50 or more. >> the company laid off 50 or more has informed the governor they federals. cities are fighting at a certain point in 08 and nine when things are terrible. they have this terrible shrinkage. but at the same time, those companies grew 2.9 million jobs abroad. so there is actually an outgrowth. now think about it. this is an area we've all lived in a tremendous sufficient and productivity, right? or two people doing one job, increasing over time and white-collar overtime without having to pay for, pushing health care costs onto people should get more and more efficient, to use technology in every possible. and during that time they were still adding jobs. and what jennifer and i sort of noticed and linked to say is

that adam smith, you render the great capitalistic economist talking about middle hand. he said when people make efficient decisions and decide to work martini bar, they decide to buy a cheaper product in an expensive product. all those decisions create the invisible hand where money and resources is the most efficient places. and that is exactly what we have experienced. we have watched as our jobs have migrated elsewhere and we live still within a protective sort of bubble of our thought process, that we are in a closed economy, and economic system. so for instance if you give companies more money for wealthy people more money, they will think are lambasted to make more money? which is great if you're in a closed system. but at the most efficient place to spend the money and use that money as a business person is to invest abroad, then we have got a major jobs problem.

likewise on the consumer side, if consumers to the most prudent things, which is go to wal-mart rather than somewhere else to get a lower dollar amount come over to the dollars go? welcome a big chunk flew across the ocean to china. so we are in the midst of the tremendous situation, where we are still in 20th century minds about what the economy is like. what type were probably about michigan and hawaii michigan residents were very much and i think it's true in california and even in my brilliant work with students across the bay, still inking with 20 century minds about 21st century problems. >> yet, in fact when this happened with electrolux and i realized that this was potentially the harbinger of all of this staff to come, we decided that we in michigan are going to do an analysis on our economy and do everything possible to the other to keep

jobs in michigan. so despite the global economy i listen to the business community and i cut taxes. in the back of the book i've got the list in the first term, the first foreign half years i cut taxes 99 times. there is small, large, targeted individual. 99 times. in fact, by the time he left office, michigan had cut more as a percentage of government than any state in the country. we had cut just on raw numbers by far more employees, public employees in any state in the country. but the time it left her 48th in terms of the size of government. our corporate tax burden had dropped between 1997 and 2007 more than any state in the country. so you think the prescriptions of small government and cutting taxes, which many people continue to put forward as a

solution for national economy today if those were in fact the only solutions to be able to use that michigan would've had the most robust economy and the nation. and yet we still have the highest unemployment rate for the vast majority of the last decade. there was a mismatch. i was not applying solutions to a 21st century problem. i was applying 20th century solution to a 21st century problem. now, all of that means that i do have to be efficient if the government appeared i am not suggesting that you like huge government. i think you have to cut where you can in order to invest where you must. but the thing that started to turn us around with the ability to partner with the federal government to make strategic investments in areas where michigan could compete globally. what example. so when the recovery act was

first adopted, president obama said he wanted for there to be a component of that that would allow for america to make electric vehicles and he could only do that if you make the battery, because of the electric vehicle here in this country. before 2009, all of the electric vehicle batteries, except for 3% were made in asia. and so what the president has said repeatedly on the campaign trail as he don't want to substitute the lines on foreign oil for reliance on foreign batteries. lets us in america and make electric vehicle and the guys for that vehicle. we sedlak what made one point series the automotive capital of the world. we want to make card 2.0 as well. and so, in order to compete for federal grants, we teamed with the private ground with universities to be able to put

together a pack of proposals to the federal government. in august of 2009, joe biden came to announce all of the winners of that opportunity. within 18 months, michigan develop an entire battery cluster in a state because we had done an analysis to call invested the federal government. that investment is supposed to create 63,000 jobs in michigan by the year 2020. what is the battery companies had their 1000th person and we identified all supply chain, not just the folks building the batteries for suppliers to the battery companies and we adapted the supply chain ps i went to japan and said, come to michigan and provided the material for the battery, please. amateur techno- semi-camp, also in japan i said, provides

electro- ice for the supply chain we are developing them and they went to korea you make all these batteries for these consumer products and you'll build the batteries for the electric vehicle in the united states. come to michigan -- >> your son in that howard dean, be careful. >> were going to south carolina, were going to florida. >> at any rate, the bottom line is we are able to develop this whole cluster, i would've never been able to do it on her room. it was only a partnership of the federal government and the universities in the private sector that we were able to do it. so, the jury at the learning for me as governor was one that lasted almost the entire eight years. we tried a lot of stuff at this time. the only thing that worked with the ability to invest in our economy and the proof of that is that in 2010 or unemployment

rate dropped six times faster than the national average. the gallup organization said that michigan's job performance, job improvement was the most improved developer states. august the sixth at michigan was the number one state for job creation opportunities, even though we have a long way to go, we are not there and no one can claim that, but it finally started to turn around and threw it to strategically invest in order to bring jobs there. >> one that you talk for a minute about states and the fact that you are competing with haley barbour in mississippi and he was trying to hold onto jobs they are in your niche channels backyard in indiana trying to hold -- or in california. >> governors led to come to california. i mean, so here is the issue is that no state has the opportunity or the resources to compete against the china or

germany or other countries. no state. even as powerful as california because if to balance budget given the resources to do it. the states to compete against one another all the time in whatever way we can. the only way we can often compete if they drink tax incentives for businesses. so the rain businesses and moving them around from one state to another. every governor are constantly competing with one another to say i thought that went from you guys. in fact, there is a magazine that facilitates this cause site selection magazine and they have a governors cut every year to see which governor won the most investments for their state. >> did you win quite >> i did. several years am proud to say except it's a national strategy because you are just moving the jobs around from one state to another when the real competition is overseas, right?

so what do we do as a nation to be able to craft the code to keep jobs here in the movement of jobs and capital as we have seen so readily flows to the place is not the just had the cheapest labor. greenville was where they had the cheapest labor, but also where there is an offer of a partnership on behalf of other governments. i'll just say a quick story put it back to you. i was in march in china and i'm very interested in the opportunity that the clean energy economy can provide in terms of jobs. so it is a group of securing american future energy with the number of chinese officials to see what they were doing. in fact they've attracted so many solar jobs from california. please to provide a huge number and that's a very small number because they've been very aggressive. so is that one of the meeting from the chinese official pulls me aside and says so, when do you think the united states is going to get a national energy

policy. a national energy policy. a national energy policy. a national energy policy. on various so divisive they just don't know. and this is at the chinese official did. it goes like this he grinned commemorative cans together and then he said to me, take your time because they see our passive 80 as their opportunity. we have to recognize that the federal government in this country, in terms of energy policy and getting jobs has brought a knife to a gunfight. >> i think that is one of the issues. i can't help but think we're on the verge of an election cycle and what should we be talking to each other about and asking candidates to take stands on an worse they should be. this is one of the most important issues. i will still one of jennifer's stories, which is actually george bush story in his biography he talked about being with her gentile, president of china and they are talking about

their situations in life than their peers, colleagues just kind of hanging out schilling. and so president bush's conversation starters is what keeps you awake at night? and who shintaro says what keeps me awake is creating 25 million new jobs a year for the of china. and of course a good gentlemen fit the questions that have a chew, president bush, what keeps you awake at night? remembered eight years of president bush. what do you think he said? [inaudible] saving the world, cutting taxes. something else. so it had him awake at night? tear his son is what kept him awake after the bad news a couple years reading to those kindergartners if you ever saw that michael moore movie is quite a scene.

but here's the point and is are we really focus, not just saying we are focused about jobs, but are we focused about creating jobs now in the kind of economy we are in any global economy, where countries like china won't embrace an awful lot of what china is, but we can embrace is really an aggressive desire to generate economic dvd that leads to the bottom line. so consider the contrast when we bring nissan to tennessee or bring honda somewhere come your habit at the plan. you probably give them land. summerlike jennifer is this what you the disincentive in that it then it and don't go next door to alabama or tennessee. come to life. and the deal was struck. but when gm goes to china and has a lot to work with you, the

joint venture, build some cars, just like your asian friends are selling cars to our people, let's strike up a little deal. who do you think owns that operation? china. china owns half. shanghai motors. shanghai motors is owned by the city of shanghai which operates under pretty strict federal guidelines on issues. we want that kind of rigidity? probably not. and the long run will help them? maybe, maybe not. that help them in our 50% is going to come back to shanghai to think about investment in their schools, investment in their roads and infrastructure, the things that america inflicted in the past but don't seem to want or need to do. so somehow will please got to be thinking is how do we be as intensely competitive as they are? and we want government on the sidelines? this is still beloved ideology we have. let the market do its thing and everything is gray. to what you say, how's that working working for us right now. it's really not.

so we need an american-style, an american mix of capitalism and democracy that works for us. but we need the government determined and not one that says trust in time it will all work out. david to lehman brothers and individual investors and everything will work its way out. clearly that is not working here. we need to go somewhere else. >> yeah, i was monitoring a bunch of multinational ceos on a panel earlier this year and the question was what should the role of government we? for the united states and job creation. i said to them, since you're in a bunch of countries, is there a country that doesn't pass? who should we model ourselves after? >> this is john deere, coca-cola, at&t. people really see in the from it business standpoint. >> is 2%.

singapore does it pass. i said what is it that singapore is doing that we might learn from? and was singapore is doing is they do an assessment of their economy. they identify strengths and weaknesses. they identify the clusters that they could attract, the fact is they could attract will be globally competitive in singapore. take a look at those companies. they have specific goals for foreign direct investments. to take a while, find the companies and bring them into singapore and create a cluster that has suppliers and has customers as well. then they offer streamlined permitting for businesses to come and open up shop very easily. they give access to capital for businesses who have heavy equipment and technology that are expensive to get them in the ground and his shirt they offer them a full-fledged partnership, not a top-down, but a bottom-up

partnership with the business to say, how could he make you competitive clicks and the united states, what could we do? which we look at? we have to be going after foreign direct investment. we had to take advantage of the diversity of the country and say to international businesses if you want to do business in the united states, come hierarch people. we had to have specific goals that ambassador should have closes verisign two countries. how many companies can you bring in the united states to employ our citizens? we should not be afraid of identifying the clusters the work for us. in california have the phenomenal silicon valley and all of these ideas are incubated there. but where are they taken to scale? or is the actual manufacturing of them occurring? a lot of it is in china. a letter received. i would come to silicon valley and say, you better product people make it for you in

michigan. >> texas in this appeal of california's bond companies doing solar panels. i've got to ask you about celinda. are you all familiar with cilantro? ivd, is that the freeway where you see it? the beautiful plants on the eastside. so what happened there? there's a situation of $500 million for doing exactly what you're doing, playing an active role, building a new set here. we talked about that in the book. >> it is the tough question. does the united states provide access to capital for industries that it believes the senate's critical national interest. but do we believe is a nation that we should be energy independent. should respond and invest in new technologies. sometimes when you invest in new technologies superintendency downwind. this program had 40 applicants,

40 projects going at the one project failed. it was a big number, but if you place the bets, you lose every time. in other countries are playing bats aggressively. if we are not in the game, we will continue to be bystanders to the loss of jobs. that is one solution. i am not suggesting that should be blown up in use everywhere. but if you have a comprehensive come unique leads economic development strategy that is an assist from the federal government, then i think you can start to have some impact. >> yeah, that may jump in a little bit because one of the things that happens happens is we get into this black or white syndrome with the parties. so this government, investment in the privacy of his crazy. look a cylinder. the last of this money. separate the government from the private sector. build the wall like the one they

build in israel but wonder what to in mexico. build the wall and separate because it's an government. this is really a crazy idea if you ask me in many respects because there are some things we want to invest in that we know we have to invest in. certainly as a society we want to invest in education. to invest in resume time we have a mix of public and private coming together to do that. you won't find this state building roads. you will find them creating competition and bidding work, just like someone within the private dirt and mud in the market mechanism works leave it the best builder for us as you can get. it is not purely one are purely the other. it is the extreme case but was actually government money they needed to be there at the beginning. a guarantee of a loan or you would have had the private money and it is somewhat risky. the government does lots of

stuff that is not as risky. one of the things jennifer did in michigan and i'm sure governor brown is doing here as you bargain for what you need. so if you are this day, what is that you're looking for? what is your big interest when you offer grants for some land or offer a tax credit. if you were the governor, what you say you bought from those companies? jobs, great? that when you pay the credit? when did they claim the tax credit on a little income tax form? limit how your people, right? so it is not as though it is entirely one or the other. it is not as though the government can't tank and can't decide what are we interested in investing in and how do we go about that investment and then let the private sector were. find out ways to have both works. but we've been hoping to believe it's an all or nothing proposition and the governments of subvention videos. is there too much money in government? of course there is.

better they are great people, tons of them trained to do awesome things? absolutely there are we've got lots of checks and balances. >> we've got to have her two points quickly. the issue about tax policy is a very important one. ..

>> it was about retraining workers and giving these men a chance somewhere. he had to reinvent himself. we had a state that had to reinvent itself. every time our big three have come back as the smaller three. sometimes a half owned german three or i tell you three. sometimes a taxpayer largely owned three, in the case of gm. we are all owning that company. next time you think about those cars, think about a chevy volt. that editorial, aside, in michigan -- people could work low-wage high end jobs. they could go from the graduation line and to the employment line. they could go up north, that means you have a cottage in the north. we just say up north. chances are, you have a boat.

all of that on a high school diploma. that has to change. the interesting thing was that we realize in writing the book that there were two other identity crises involved. we talk about this somewhat in the book. one was my wife. this is always a person who has succeeded at everything and believe if you are smart enough and you get the right people, and if you work hard enough, those things will get you there. those three things. a little bit of talent, hard work, and find other people who can make it happen. and she discarded. there's a great story about barack obama called -- in jennifer's life, and in my life. the strange thing is there was another identity crisis. i really did want "a governor's story" to be my story. i will tell you briefly that when we were in law school and fell in love, our friend matt was there. we were at the third session with the priest.

he was preparing us for the bows of matrimony. in the first two sessions we had talked about all kinds of great things he would never expect a celibate man to know. what are you going to do about money? how many kids do you want to have? how many people fight in your family? all kinds of great stuff fit in this third session, we are sitting across from him and he says to me knowing that i'm going to go back to michigan where my seven siblings lived and all my hundreds of cousins, and where my dad had been involved in politics -- and one day i would be writing "a governor's story." mind you, this is 35 years old. a handsome young priest. he said, so dan, what happens in eight to 10 years if the party comes to jennifer and they say that there is an open senate seat and you're a lawyer and you're smart and attractive in lots of ways. you're a great speaker, and by the way, it's a good time for a

woman. you should run. dam, how would you feel about that? if i could have told the truth, i would've said well, i feel like i just got hit by a two by four right across the forehead. i said i would be jealous and confused, but if jennifer was called to that location, i would be behind her 100%. the priest had the story 100% right. it was truly a pathetic story. a i had an identity crisis as well. i thought i would walk in the shoes of my beloved and i wasn't. someone who had to take care of these wonderful three children at the time jennifer was elected as attorney general. we were going into seventh grade, ninth grade, and 10th grade when she was running for governor. it was a great and continues to

be a great experience. like michigan that was asleep, we are sort of asleep. especially men. enormous change that is ongoing underneath us where 60% of the college degrees are going to women. women or earning -- women are earning more law degrees. we are asleep in terms of how we are going to raise our families. how will we make this work. there's a great opportunity for men, not just women. a great opportunity for fantastic women to lead with great opportunities for men to have a different kind of life than they thought they had. >> when he was growing up, he either wanted to be president or pope. he went to yale, majored in theology, was going to go to the seminary. eventually, we met, so that didn't work out. he didn't become a priest, but he did become a saint.

[laughter] >> let's go with questions. we could go on and on, and honestly, we have a book signing to do. we have a microphone because we are being filmed for c-span. >> everybody, please wait for the microphone. >> thank you very much, both of you. if you are both copresident of the united states, what would you do to bring unemployment to four and a half percent. >> that hypothetical can't happen because i wasn't born in this country, but i do think that a start is that the president is proposing in the jobs and recovery act, which is to have job creation and have key infrastructure that is important. we do have to have a national

economic strategy. i would like to thank that we can attack jobs away really good education. if they do an assessment of their states and they have a strategy to build certain sectors that are innate to them, that education rate is the top of $4 billion. it caused every state -- 46 out of 50 states -- to jump through hoops, change the standards in the way they never thought of. if you had just a little bit of competition among states for a small pot of money on the federal level, you would see changes in the states changing their streamlining, developing cluster strategies, you would see them leverage technology, you'd be them partner with universities in sweden it is called the triple helix. in sweden it is called the golden triangle.

we don't have an economic strategy that is partnering with the states. states will bend over backwards to make that happen. >> i will give you one more idea which you never suggested. which is foreign direct investment. transforming our thinking about the world that we are going to create democracy and police all these countries and we are going to be ready for big disputes and deploy hundreds of thousands of people around the globe to do that. we need to instead think that the real -- i don't want to use the word war, but the competition and opportunity for competition is in the global marketplace. number one, tell hillary clinton to stay and give her a new mission. to revamp the states in a way that it becomes more of an economic development tool. we embraced the globe and we asked how do we build great companies? how do we build great partnerships that make the world interdependent in a positive way

in the country. >> [talking over each other] >> we have a bucket of red -- a bunch of recommendations in the book's. >> not about how much contributions they have raised on candidate, but how many jobs they can bring to the country. >> there are a bunch of folks in the back with her hands up to. >> maybe we should work the microphone back. >> i was thinking that any job, all jobs in manufacturing would have to be done in china, bright? because we can't compete wage wise. i feel like we are destined to fail. >> let me give you some hope on that. i think that the repetitive motion low skill jobs -- you're right. we have lost a vast majority of them, and it will be almost impossible for us as a nation to get them back. but advanced manufacturing --

you better believe we can be competitive in. the advanced manufacturing realm -- they require high skill. in fact, a lot of people say that our unions and etc. are driving investment overseas. the new union model, at least for michigan, the new head of the uaw is a fellow named bob king. he stood up for the manufacturers of the auto industry and suppliers at a conference in michigan and he said once he was elected -- this is not your father's uaw. our goal is to keep jobs in america, and we want to partner with management to make that happen. our enemy is not management versus labor. that is not complex. the conflict is us versus the globe. how can we have the most efficient processes and sophisticated level of skills to

be able to make you globally competitive. right now labor is only 7% of the cost of a vehicle, and the vehicle is the most technologically advanced product in the world. you need to have people who know how to program the robots, who know how to maintain a robotic line. it is not easily transferable. on advanced manufacturing, the united states can still be competitive in that we will not be competitive if we do nothing. other countries are eagerly jumping over us, both on skills and as well as on partnering with the private sector. >> [inaudible question] >> we have to have federal policy that partners with strategic sectors that we know are in our nation's interest. for example, i think that having -- we have a critical need to be energy independent. for purposes of wars and strategic. if we are serious about a need for that, we need to invest to

make that happen. that has to be something that the united states partners on. maybe we do provide capital and partnership with the financial community to make sure that it is a good business case for those advanced manufactures. maybe you team up with universities to make sure that they have a pipeline deal talent at the community colleges to be able to feed into it. we aren't even having those conversations about those levels of partnership to make a good business case for them. we could do it, let alone, on their own, when other countries are offering all sorts of partnerships, we will not win. >> i think the other thing that your question gets that is that the irony is in the old days in the factory, you picture the ford assembly line. they were men who were strong who were bending steel, who are lifting their hands and other body parts, who are enduring all

kinds of incredible noise and dirt. i worked in the ford factory during college in the 70s. a a ford factory is noisy and redundant and boring is going to be. the irony is that places like china and mexico have stolen some of that old-fashioned manufacturing. but in the process, what they are getting is all of this intellectual talent. >> right. >> and we will risk losing the next phase. a much more high-level situation -- a flexible workplace where you or i or jennifer maybe engineers, workers, or cfos, and we are all talking about the project and able to understand how we make the thing work. scary thing is what is happening educationally, and you have all read this, how many phd's in

engineering degrees are coming out of universities in india and china. if we want to look back in 30 or 40 years, it's not going to be whether we had a 999 plan like herman cain. did we develop human capital? years in front of us are not about bending skill. >> you cannot separate research and development from the manufacturing. once you were in a loss for manufacturing -- you cannot separate the two. people think we will be a service mission and do the design, but we won't do the manufacturing. engineers have to see with these products coming off the line. pretty soon the research and development centers will move as well. unless we get serious. >> two thoughts.

one is in education. can't we put more emphasis on the entrepreneurial teaching to be entrepreneurs so that they don't have to work for somebody? they can work for themselves? another comment regarding the first question, and this race to the top four jobs and getting companies for the states. wouldn't that need to -- states asking -- states offering to deregulate so that the companies would come there? >> i think on the second question you have to have a floor. you are not going to incentivize behavior that will damage the nation even if it is damaging only one state. you have to have a floor so that it will not violate federal environmental protection laws

and etc. >> [inaudible question] >> they do. but you can do stuff like accelerating permit -- limiting layers of your opposite that are not necessarily related to national resources. you have to crafted in a way to ensure those protections be met let me jump into the first question. the answer is yes and -- we need to teach that. we need to teach people to have an ability to invest and create. this is the world we are in. the end part is that it's not just about being an entrepreneur. what we have to create is an entrepreneurial mindset everywhere. the idea that kids still have, very much have -- kids moving to california moving four jobs. we have lots of young people. they still have this idea that there is a job out there and let me wander around and find the

perfect job that i fit in. what i'm trying to say is it is not about what a company is going to pull out of you. it is about what you're going to generate any company. is it about generating added value -- i don't care who you are. these kids have to understand that if they don't generate value, if they are not adding knowledge and creativity and collaboration and great stuff, we are sunk. we are starting at a wage differential of $1.57, it even less in china and india, and that is worth what? kids coming out of college are expecting $18 or $20 an hour. my niece wants to earn 50 or 40,000, what she thinks she needs to earn to live here. that is in a the norm is differential. the only way be justified is incredible knowledge, and i believe that entrepreneurs are a different kind of leadership. i left class today at hawk. we are half way through the

year. you are also sitting there like bums waiting for me -- and i'm barely innovating. you are so waiting for me to guide you. this is a course on leadership. they've got 15 years. overwhelmingly, it is a waste until somebody tells you what to do. we need proactivity, collaboration, creativity. not that i'm the boss and everybody listens to me, but this environment where we have in ideas about creativity. so yes, yes, yes. >> i'm an engineer. at what i see when i go to factories over the last couple of years, is i haven't given up on manufacturing in this country. but what i see is the

machinists, they are in their 50s and 60s. they don't have enough work for the young people. at some point, the economic standards in china and mexico will go up. i'm afraid of that were going to lose that essential knowledge. when i go to allentown, pennsylvania, i think that the bethlehem steel factory is now a casino. how do you feel about protectionism and keeping some of those jobs here in america. >> i think that we have to be aggressive in the trade and rena. when i say that, i think we have been a cat at the world trade organization rather than a tiger. we need to create and keep jobs for our people. that is that mean we should put up unilateral walls? mac no. but i do think that once other countries assessed tariffs or

tax barriers to our products being shipped in, that should be signal for us to do the same. we are serious about creating a pair playing field. i think we can compete. i really do. i worry about the generation of the 50-year-olds -- that the end of 50 and 40 euros and maybe into the low 60s -- all that knowledge and those jobs being done. but i also know that every single day, there are ideas being generated and regenerated for developing manufactured products. we are not playing offense or defense, and i consider the trade arena to be a place where we should play strong defense on behalf of our people. >> i've enjoyed it very much. i have two things to say.

one guy in washington said you'd be the best president, and fortunately campy or. the other thing is that michigan has the highest number of tech jobs. in 1974, -- i. don't know if you were born then, but i was -- >> we were. [laughter] >> there is a book that came out called global reach. the professor here probably knows. that laid it all out in 1974. the incredible lack of attitude that american manufacturers and mbas and guys like me had about getting your check and going home. do think there is a way we can reinvigorate our ways and work harder? >> it struck a sort of ironic is a democrat and we get trapped -- for instance, the republicans are talking about american

exceptionalism. unfortunately, we are not exceptional in some areas -- we are exceptional in our physical girth. we are exceptionally large people. [laughter] a lot of the places we want to be exceptional, we have been fighting. it is not a god-given gift. most people should know that. this notion that if you criticize the country and say wake up, you are somehow unpatriotic. it is repulsive to me. it comes at a time in my life -- since world war ii, we came out of world war ii is the most dominant country on the globe, militarily, economically, we helped rebuild the rest of the world. since that time, we are in is precarious of a position as we have been in. we have incomes lighting, home ownership sliding, educational levels clearly flat, relative to the rest of the world's growth. it is hard to wake us up.

it is hard to create a crisis when people are running around and saying that he doesn't believe america is a great country. or company -- that's a good flip. [laughter] >> most of the time you need a burning platform. i feel like we missed that chance. i know you're begging to get in -- one more story -- in the last presidential campaign, senator mccain and governor romney came to michigan. senator mccain said, i wish i could tell you that your jobs are coming back. senator romney -- governor romney said my dad was the head of american motors and i'm going to bring jobs back here. we think they voted for? romney carried michigan. then he wrote an editorial in "the new york times" saying led detroit go bankrupt. and he still thinks he's going to win that state, and he might

i'm not sure how we wake people up when there are the craziness going on up there -- [talking over each other] >> i think occupy wall street is starting to be a wake-up call. it is a expression of frustration [applause] >> yes, it is embedded in any quality of income. if any of you are at all inclined to look at this, there was a nobel prize-winning economist at stanford who just did an analysis of the economy. michael spence. in that analysis he evaluate what has happened over the last decade. it started in the 1970s, but we didn't have the trade agreements that we do now. the world was not as flat as it is now. the movement of capital from both trade agreements as well as technology has made it so easy. michael spence said that what has happened is astonishing in the united states.

we have seen in the past decade the movement of all of these tradable goods jobs, which were manufacturing jobs, and the increase in services jobs. the increase in services, he says, you have a problem. they're not going to pay as much. it contributes to growing inequality of wages when you don't have good paying, middle-class jobs that are tied to things like manufacturing. when you look at occupy wall street, the frustration that people are expressing is that we do not have jobs. we have huge inequality. oaks on wall street are being paid hundreds of millions of dollars in some cases, and we can't even get a service job that is going to put food on the table. i think that is the beginning of the wake-up call. >> we been to detroit where we both lived for a long time. i worked at the whale plant at

belle isle. my father was an engineer there. we went back. we asked for something as simple as a map of detroit. let me show you something. this is shocking. what you have, a little area of about 5-mile radius of the downtown area. one half mile area of the downtown area. it doesn't even go up to grand boulevard. on the other side, there is detroit is a tiny box. a picture of southeast michigan. it is one amongst many suburbs. we were able to get maps of every suburb with detailed streets, but then it was suburban map -- as soon as it hits the state line, it's like nothing had happened.

there are at least 700,000 people living in the city. it is amazing. we went through there, i talked to my old neighbors. it is true that most of the people are poor, most are african-american. i can't help but think this is race related in some ways, even for economic reasons. it is a form of discrimination. that city, you cannot get a street map of it. i would like something to be done about it. i would like it if maybe you could talk to aaa -- [talking over each other] that is the question. i wondered about your feelings about that. here is your copy of the letter they wrote to them yesterday. but i would like something done about it. >> it's a aaa map? >> that's right. you cannot get a street map of detroit today. that is the question. >> but it is a metaphor for another very deep problem, which detroit happens to be the poster

child, which is the de- industrialization of america. detroit went from 2 million people to 700,000 on a city grid that was built for 2 million. we have pockets of vacant land and buildings it is very sad. so much of that is related to the changes, the structural changes in the economy of michigan. which is the loss of these good paying jobs. question over here? >> i've lived in europe and third world countries. we'd use a tendency in this country to have -- to disregard something if it wasn't here. germany, for example, has a curved system of apprenticeship. in france, the companies have to pay 1% of the salary base for retraining the workers.

i'm wondering if there are any sustained efforts to look at what other countries are doing and see if we can replicate them here? >> there must be. in fact, this is a really great point. germany, which is a country that is roughly at our wage level -- write? roughly at our age of industrial development, yet they did not lose the level of manufacturing that the united states has lost. why? their government is active in keeping manufacturing. they had direct policies that make business good to locate there. they are also serious about this training pipeline. we have talked about it here. i think we should look at adopting that version and the united states. we talked about something called no worker left behind. we talked to the federal government about reproducing federal workforce money, and

give those people who are unemployed the opportunity to be retrained or get recertified in entrepreneurship -- but we need to have our federal dollars relevant to the 21st century. they allowed us the flexibility to do this. i said to michigan, the first 100,000 workers who come in the door, we will give you two years of tuition at a community college, $5000 per person, up to $10,000. but the catch is that you have to agree to be trained in an area of need. an area like we were developing or in health care or in something that we know will lead to a job. you cannot go and get a degree in french or political science. those are my degrees, so i can say that. we need no one like me. that we do need nurses. we do need entrepreneurs. we do need people in clean energies. as a result of that, we borrowed

a lot of our efforts from what was going on in germany. as a result of that, we had not only 100,000 people enrolled, we had 180,000 until the feds turn off the spigot. our placement rate was four times higher than the national average. anyone who went through training, 82% of them found jobs in the areas that they trained in in a state that had such a high unemployment rate. i'm just saying that our whole workforce training and pipeline related to apprenticeship is very 20th century. >> it's a great question. jennifer talks about germany, she can talk about sweden. in both cases, there is sanity. especially in scandinavian countries. i wrote about this a while ago. we have these terrible problems where we have huge unemployment, chronic unemployment, it stays around 10% or 12% here in california. then we have this extreme over

employment where people are working like they've never worked before. why can't we do a little bit of [inaudible] -- let people take -- at least they are giving people options. give them a 5% cut. let 20% of us take a 5% cut and frees up some money so you can hire people. your question was how do you get to unemployment less than 4%? we could get to that if we make some of those moves, some whip national policy on unemployment -- allow people to get unemployment and take it and get it while they are were work. it stimulates people to bring people on board. they be that as a way to leverage. >> hello from saint carlos.

>> i graduated from saint carlos. [talking over each other] >> the first point is i've been confused about the national dialogue around detroit. it seems to me like a success story, the businesses survive, they got rid of bad business models -- but in the national media, it is viewed as a failure across the country. i wanted to do a reality check and see if that's how you perceive the perception. the second is i was wondering if you could comment on whether it was harder to get agreement about? >> this has been a huge success. the auto recovery effort. all of these auto companies are now making a profit. they have paid back their loans. they are making progress -- i'm

driving here are in my chevy volt -- it's an electric car that i plug into the garage. the cars have been winning all these awards. the old model is so 20th century. the new auto indus really is in a enormous success thanks to the federal government. i have to jump in. >> this is such a great example of government and private sector. the president -- read the book. the president beat the heck out of chrysler and gm. the uaw came out chastised. they've made huge concessions. when you have all kinds of movement -- the company went through it incredibly deep down times. they got rid of the bad people -- labor did very different thanks. they embrace energy, efficiency in a way that they had before.

to me, it was really an extraordinary story. the loss would've been utterly -- [inaudible] >> [talking over each other] >> if we would've lost an industry would amend the glass industry, materials industry, the collateral damage would've been horrific bid what you have is a revitalized industry and saving of manufacturing backbone. >> they could've gone into bankruptcy. but they forced a really furiously fast vagrancy and creditors lost and dealers lot. everybody paid in. i just want to make one point about the bigger picture. jennifer would be in favor of the octopi wall street. i would be in the favor -- maybe we you would be to come up a different movement. it is a movement for rationality and compromise. this book was easy to write because we love each other and compromise. >> the legislature, on the other

hand -- >> the legislature. that is the point. these intense, ideological positions. i don't know if you watched the first republican debate. they were 10 of them up there on fox. this is right when the debt ceiling was being raised when the government almost shut down, our credit rating dropped for the first time ever. the moderator said if you had a deal for the 1.8 chili and that has to be resolved -- if you had a deal right now, did you see this question? ten part cut, one part tax revenue increase. would you take video? did you watch? every single one of them hesitated for a second. everyone said they would not take the deal. i am in favor of a party -- the new party of radical compromise. what happened with the big three when everybody gave a little bit? that is where we need to be in this country. right now, we are in a place

where the party on the left -- you heard jennifer. remind them you're a democrat. i have the smallest government in the country. i cut more out of government than anybody. my tax rates are lower than anyone's. all this up is true. this is a democrat. we are moving. we understand there's a market that we need to create jobs. were moving. on the other side, it's like there is no movement. there is no movement. >> i know we want to close out. the bottom-line is that everything that is happening to the country happened to michigan for. i'm not kidding. that goes politically, because the question was a good political question -- the book has a chapter on that, as well as economically. we are grateful to the mechanics institute for hosting this and giving us the opportunity to share -- >> and the league of women voters. >> and the league of women voters.

>> all the warmth in here. >> thank you all so much. [applause] i have one more question i want jennifer to comment on her upcoming tv show. we are going to continue the political conversation first with the book, i hope everyone will come up and purchased a book and have it signed. we can also further the conversation as the is the election continues the. >> i was invited by al gore to do a tv show following keith olbermann on current tv. starting in january, i will be doing a tv show that is focused on the election -- a political junkie like me. i'm interested in politics and policy, so it will be called the war room. it is about the political

campaigns and candidates. i hope you tune in. we have a clock p.m. to 7:00 o'clock p.m. here. thanks so much. thank you. [applause] >> as senators continued their recess this week, we continue with our programs on c-span two

>> martin luther king is a man of all the people i have met and talked with and spend time with over the years, he is a man that i most think is an american individual -- that i admire most of all, of all of them. he is my personal hero. why? because martin luther king put his money where his mouth was. his career stand over 60 years. mike wallace died at age 93. watch any of his almost 50 appearances in this expanded video library. including his interviews. the c-span video library. every c-span video program since 1987. in a few moments, media and the coverage of race. in about an hour, we will return to our special booktv programming with two governors

and a former governor on their memoirs.

more now from newseum by the aspen institute on race in america. this hour-long panel, look at the role of the media covering racial issues, including the trayvon martin case. >> as i said, the last panel is on impact of race on the news media and vice versa. and to moderate this, we welcome back juan williams. >> think you very much. i guess i don't need to introduce our first panelist. you all know him so well, but let me just a bit he has been in use acre for telemundo, and he is also a national director for public affairs programming and managing editor of the public

affairs program. i don't have to ask you to join me in welcoming him, because you know him. okay. let me move on and introduce the rest of the panel if i can get my notes in order. andrew rojecki is co-author of black image in the white media and race in america. indy is an associate professor at the university of illinois at chicago. his research focuses on media and politics as it relates to political movements, global relations and policy. please join me in welcoming andy. [applause] >> doris truong is the president of the asian american journal association. she is a multiplatform editor at

the "washington post." she has been the post copy chief for 13 suburban sections, and she was in the national department as a copy editor. she is on the board of unity, the journalists of color, and she is a graduate at the university of missouri school of journalism. please join us in welcoming her. [applause] >> our final panelist is -- i'll take it again. these people don't mind. >> antoine sanfuentes, the washington bureau chief of nbc news. he built his career at nbc starting as an intern for the local station here wrc while he was attending american university. he is also a producer of notable coverage from across africa,

including reports from darfur for in the congo. including interviews with president bashir al-assad. please join us in welcoming into one. >> antoine, let me start with you. let me ask you something that was mentioned in the very last panel we had. it had to do with race and media in an unusual way -- which was athletics. the star of this moment was a new york knicks player, jeremy lynch. when he became the focus of "linsanity", there was so much attention that there would be this asian-american superstar of basketball, the question was how do you cover him and let's look

at this. even espn has managed to offend him with some racially charged language. look at what this commentator has to say about stereotypes dealing with asian americans. how do you, as a news person, cope with racial stereotypes in this age. >> the challenges to defy the stereotypes. it begins, first and most important way, with the discussion on the inside. i think that when we had a driving edit oriel discussion on the inside, with a makeup of qualified journalist who look like america, because that is her talent on the inside -- to make sure that the discussion that we have reflexive the audience expects to be served.

this wonderful basketball player that divides the stereotypes -- we talked about this earlier in the week. our challenge is to cover the story behind the story. not just what you would expect in terms of the stereotype, to look at this man's background. how did he get here? let's talk about the stereotype. >> even though it's a passable story to a basketball audience, it would say why is nbc talking about this guy's race and making a big deal out of somebody who just made a mistake? you'd say, no, we cannot ignore the sociopolitical aspect of the tail. >> we cannot ignore it and frankly, you have to give the people what they want if they're interested. it's your responsibility as a news organization to cover it,

to discuss that, and think about all the angles. the mack we don't want to talk about race. we just want to talk about the ballgame. >> we should talk about that as well. >> doris, i want to talk to you about the same idea. jermey lin, he has had a tremendous impact on the asian american community. how should asian americans be covered in the news media? we have seen so many missteps around the jermey lin story. have you seen it? have you felt that? >> absolutely. the asian-american journalist association was forced to put out an advisory and late february due to the preponderance of coverage of jermey lin. some people would say it is positive. but positive can be harmful. the larger story with jermey lin is that a lot of asian-american men felt that there was someone on a national stage, but they

could look it up -- look to that person who was empowering them. to have something that is a humble servant type. >> emasculated and what lay? >> in the media as well as in the national media. we do not see that within other groups. ethnic groups. it is just as bad. >> i think, in fact, one of the jokes about jermey lin was the size of his [bleep]. the question is will people enjoy this stereotype or mockery of asian-american men? what do you do? that is what we are here to

combat. as an organization and good journalists, we are here to make sure that fair and accurate reporting is what is happening. stir types are not applicable to the visuals. it is beyond the scope of my organization to say what happened. >> what do you think -- that's how you fight it is does -- does suspension produce support for the comments? >> the issue is that you have to have more diversity within the newsroom. you need people there to police -- to make sure that it really doesn't get out there to the public to begin with. you need to have those discussions within your newsroom before it goes public. >> this is interesting. lots of people would say we pay too much attention to jermey lin. just cover the ballgame or let people talk about jermey lin. if something goes wrong, what we are hearing in both cases here

is that there is preconceptions built in and people have to pay attention. in your case, you focused on the way that black white relations play out in media. of course, the story of the moment is trayvon martin. >> one of the most difficult things for me to do in my class in a largely white class of injured graduates -- undergraduates who seem to be sick of talking about race, the way i introduced the topic to them is to give them exposure to psychological research. which tells us that most racial judgments take place unconsciously. so i had them take an online test where you select things like gender specifics, occupations, preference of skin

color, body size, and so on. people are surprised -- students are surprised to find out that they do have an automatic preference for something. in the case of whites, they have a preference for light skin, which they are horrified to find out about. the thing that is most important is that putting the associations off has an effect on the way that it people behave. in the great things, with things like video games where you can see a white target or black target, they are more likely to shoot the black target more quickly. that is what presumably happened in the case of trayvon martin. over the long term of things, gets down to things like the experiment done with sending out

resumes that were identical, except for the name that was written on it. in one case, it was lakisha. in the second case, it was emily. identical in all respects, except that emily got 50% more callbacks than lakisha. people were making the various judgments about the merits of these candidates, they had some on conscience -- on conscience preferences for one over the other. >> coming up that plays out as a reporter or journalist when it comes to covering raise? >> it begins -- and this is something that we found when we were doing research for our book, i did some interviews with whites who lived in suburban indianapolis. it was very interesting.

those that have grown up in an integrated neighborhood, and those who had black relatives, understood the news in a way that those who did not have that kind of experience understood it. those people who had first-hand experience understood that event that was covered in the news -- the last chain in a long series of circumstances in the way that other people saw it for what it is. which is highly sterilized, ritualized content, where you can predict exactly what the first five minutes of local news will be like. >> the first five news of local news is poor people of color killing each other, a fire, robbery, am horrific event. he met pretty much. you wonder why people watch it. it is not really news in the way that it is presented.

>> but it must be comforting? >> maybe it is comforting. maybe you don't live in that neighborhood. the more interesting story to be told -- which is hard for journalists, is what happened that led to that last step? >> that would invite a historical discourse. this is just the news. >> even in a case of a particular person that was shot, that is pretty much what this documentary -- i think recently i got an academy award -- people actually went in the neighborhood where there was violence and took pains with the person who is about to strike back. they talked to that person and interrupted the process. >> that is not news. >> that's not news, but that is precisely the problem. in other words, news is not defined in terms of what is really substantiative.

>> let me come to about the same story. trayvon martin. one of the complaints that i have heard about coverage begins with coverage of the man who shot trayvon martin. i don't think there's any need for me to say who it is because everyone knows who it is. first he was described as a white man, then a hispanic, then it became so politicized -- oh, well, if he is not purely white, then it is a different story. it is not the traditional narrative of white and black. now we have a white hispanic, hispanic white -- therefore if the person is hispanic, it could not have been a racial incident. how have you been dealing with this? >> that's a great question. very profound.

we tend to not label people, either hispanic, not hispanic, white, black, liberal, conservative -- we just try to be pretty neutral. i'm told that i have to go -- [talking over each other] >> if i could just leave to challenges today and food for thought. it always sounds one big issue. there are two issues that i see in our news world. one is the few latinos and minorities who are in the news. they can do believe that they have more right than others to say things that aren't acceptable to say. i have heard gigabyte challenge, for example, argue black enough? by an african-american. what the hell is that? are you hispanic enough? it is okay for me to use a word and speak of issues that -- that

whites couldn't or shouldn't be talking about. i think that is on acceptable. that we in our rules are accepting. white, hispanic, african-american -- as you are. we feel that we can just say things. well, you're not exactly black, are you? uncovered because i'm a latino. that includes the trayvon martin story. but the bigger problem is newsroom management. just recently, colleagues of ours in the puerto rican community dealt with the network that had a television show that for entertainment purposes, in a joke, the latino character who is puerto rican when confronted with unemployment said, don't worry, i'm puerto rican. i can always sell drugs. there was a big outdoor in