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>> the affluent can routinely and systematically buy their way out of public services and publicly provided good comment don't they lose his stake in the public sphere and the quality of those goods? >> coming up next, nikki haley accounts are last in political career. she was selected first-team at governor 2010. governor haley, it matters the parents immigrated to the u.s. nbm burkman south carolina scherzer chatterton prejudice

her family faced. this is about 45 minutes. >> thank you, arthur. if it are they should be here. i noticed it this time yesterday you read the view being questioned by joy behar, so hopefully we can elevate things a little bit. a low-carb. it's a privilege to be here because it's a wonderful book and arthur attached on your personal story. i probably need two of my tatters today because they think it is so important to be able to spend time of strong competent leaders because they think your experience really puts the lie in many ways to the notion that there is a republican war on women somehow. but i want to start with the story you tell in the book about your runoff in the general election when he ran for governor. you talk about when you have

your opponents, attorney general mcmaster and the extent to which tenure battle was over in the early stages of primary usage admired his strength, which is a phrase i love. he began introducing nature campaign events. he described in the book is a hendrick introduced me as the fire had i mean lollapalooza. this is a quote. as the poet tom petty says he would say with his voice rising to a dramatic pitch, you can stand her up at the gates of and she walked back down. i thought you could start today by talking a little about where here's. comes from and your spirit to stand up in do with. >> everything good about me i got for my parents. everything negative about me came from other places. i will tell you, i started every speech and continued to send the proud daughter of indian parents

that reminded us every day how blessed we were to live in this country. we came -- i was born in a small southern town. 2500 people. my parents came here, my father was a turbine, my mom was in the sorry. what i will tell you is this is the story of a lot of challenges. challenges of being a minority family in a small southern town. knowing your parents would be proud of where different. challenges in the corporate world can the state house governor's race and as we go forward. my parents always wanted us to understand that what makes you different makes you special and also the fact the small southern town beluga to those towns is part of the same state that i did a predrilled indian for

governor. what does that say about south carolina in this country? that is really the story behind this is feel good to challenges. it is not the challenges that defined you. it's how you define a no realize all of those who blessing. everyone is a blessing in disguise because i now know i had to strain and i don't back down because every time you go through challenger amazed at what you can overcome. >> in addition to lessons from parent and one of the things you talk about is your parents telling you don't complain about problems. you've got another great story as another of its author is i particularly love. your mom answered a small business in the living room of your home in the story you're telling us you happen have been destroyed out of of your kitchen. 12-year-old nikki haley and your mother cried you and says trainer how to do this. i didn't know until i read your

book you with the account for her mom's business. >> business is still not at the house. it's now into bullets about dirty 500 square-foot store. the bookkeeper was nothing on some are often a fedex guy to train someone. i'm going to be leaving in two weeks. happen to be walking out of the break room and the monk grabbed my arm and said i want you to train her. i said i can't train her. she's 13. i was doing a row and the general ledger. i was paying bills and making deposits. i didn't know until it got to college that wasn't normal. but i tell people that was my parents way of saying and i look back and say they did not need enough limitations of age and gender and didn't want me to know the limitations of being indian.

they do so is it that have reached a peak and make sure people remember you for it. but it was at that point i shaped the value of a dollar and what it means for the private carrier and how it's so hard to make a dollar and so easy for governments to take it. the philosophies and beliefs i had are things i lived, not because the label told me what to believe. it's because they truly lifted and understood with the hardships of small businesses were. >> if you jump ahead to your very first political race and if you go into just about any nursery school in america today and probably around the world, you will see that the little girls are running circles around little boys. i say that as it out, both girls and boys, but the girls are running the place. i've often wondered what happened. why is that women are not yet anyway running the world? i think part of it is risk

aversion. if you look at the story of your 2004 race come in the fact you couldn't find a consultant to take your money, your different telling you don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, what gave you the confidence to say i know this is the right thing to do. with ignorance? digits not know? >> i think is a couple things. i think it was the fact that i saw the business person wondered why we didn't have more business on the statehouse. then adeimantus had quit complaining and do something about it. so i said i didn't know you were supposed to run against a 30 year incumbent primary. i'd no idea. but once i got and the only option was to win. the only surprising thing was such a series of consultants and i told a friend i had this money and no one will take my money. and one consultant said, you are too young.

you've got small children. you need to look at school boards. you don't need to run for state house. another consultant said in a key comedic temple. there's less than 1% indian. you can't win this district. one of the interesting things was what really jumped me over to sam going to do this since i was that the institute and hillary clinton was the guest speaker and she was there giving a speech to a few hundred people and she said everybody's going to tell you what you shouldn't do it and that's all the reasons why you should. another site unabated since i can't do something it only motivates me more to want to do it. but i didn't see young moms running for office. i didn't see a lot of women running for office or business people. it's a fabulous more the reason why we need more people. the reason i wrote the book was after i won the governor's race,

so many people came up to me is that after seeing what he went through, i would never run for office. i was devastated. that was the total opposite of what i wanted them to take for my race. i wanted them to see yes we event to went to challenges that look what unable to do do in south carolina. i'm able to move the ball. i don't think there's any reason why we don't see a lot of women outside of the fact that women just don't run. we need more women in our face. we need more real people in office. or business people. i was in student government. we don't need these people who are their lives being a politician. we need people who live their lives in no the problems of government. what to do and the state legislatures and perhaps not immediately you were successful in moving up in leadership that as soon as you insist on transparency in how legislators were voting for me basically ran into a firestorm.

>> one of those when i got into office no one knew what to make of me. i defeated my friend, a 30 year incumbent said no one to share an office at our shared task. there have been to be a person who defeated the majority leader. were that to outsiders and became desk mates in office mates that were about. when i got there i saw a lot of things i thought were wrong and one was in south carolina legislators didn't have to show goes on the record. all of their voting was by voice votes. i tell this in the book and they said they were increasing their tensions. all in favor say aye ko. the ayes have a. n. i went to my speaker, the republican leadership and i said we are republicans. what did we just do? i don't understand. and the next day i said anything important enough in the house

and senate is important that your legislators to know how they felt. i leadership said that the bill away. we don't need to have a people decide what the public needs to see and what they don't. i remember i got my been in the room. michael come to stand up in live and let everybody see you. i went to michael that night and said i can't so much get legislators to vote on the record i don't need to be here and i made a decision, knowing there could be harmed to fight anyway. i went across the state. i say did you know of all bills passed in the house, only 8% were on the record? teaching of all bills passed in the senate, only 1% was on the record? is that if you didn't know how the legislators in the house voted come in 92% of the time and how your senators voted, how do you know who to vote for at the polls? south carolina was astonished.

but what was interesting was that was my fourth year in office and the first or in office as chairman of the freshman class. second year as majority whip in 30 or is put on a powerful business committee and fourth year of his subcommittee chair banking. dear i wouldn't put the bill away, terrified to say legislators seem to show goes on the record they stripped me of everything. they took away every ounce of power i had. of the leadership was shown with steps out of line, i'm strange to legislators this is what happens when you step out of line. so i ran for governor. and i am proud to say within a first couple of months i signed a bill that now every legislator shows to vote on the record and the state itself carolina and show their vote on every section. so we show the spending of it as well. [applause]

>> it was in the governor's race you faced some of the most hateful and shameful attacks. and i think, just to give a click again to this book, anybody thinking about running for office or is running for office that too at a minimum -- at a minimum they should read the paragraph that begins at the bottom of page 151 and goes over to page 152, where governor healey says talk about those facts and says all of her old instinct to fight through the adversity, prove myself to skip dixon critic started to come alive. while some use it as a chance to destroy me and my family, i would use it to stream myself and protect my family. i think it is one of those points that may seem obvious, but so much of politics today can be so nasty. the decision not just to sam going to ignore it, but to take the attack and turn it around and use it to make you stronger is brilliant.

i'd like to talk a little bit about how you decided you were just going to fight through this and not let them basically take you down. >> the interesting thing was i was mickey who for a lot of the race. i didn't have any money. but we had a conservative message. a lot of passion and a grassroots movement. so as i was going, not the other candidates for acknowledging me. and then they started to see movement and the second that rasmussen that we were number one in the polls, within three or four days i looked at michael and i celebrated for five minutes and then i said this is going to her. i knew something had to happen. within four or five days it was everything under the sun that came out. but they don't understand is that only a motivated me to cite more because it was everything wrong with politics. politics is the art of distraction that's what they were trying to do. i was going to show them i would

not be distracted. it was lies, false and this is exactly why we needed to look at somebody new for governor. >> and it were. and i wonder how many consultants who wouldn't take your money back in 2004 have since been back around trying to knock on your door. >> they're my best friends now. >> sitting where we are today in washington d.c., the idea of the damage that washington can do around the country and the damage the federal government can do and particularly this administration can sometimes be theoretical. but as governor south carolina you experienced firsthand. arthur mentioned the battle battle with the national labor relations board and it is a stunning story, a story with a good ending, but it would be very helpful if you could talk about that. >> coming into the governorship they knew we would deal with budget issues.

i had to do with unemployment and reform government. what i never knew is the hardest part about my job would be the federal government. we passed a legal immigration reform and that department of justice stopped us. we passed a bill if you have to show picture i.d. to get on a plane you should have to do a picture i.d. to vote. we passed a voter i.d. bill. the department of justice stopped us. now we get ready in the next couple weeks to pass a bill that says if you get unemployment benefits you have to pass a drug test. i'm expecting a fight there. but what i never thought we would see was the most un-american thing, which is this great american company, zero and from that gave south carolina a shot on their ever going to put a plant in south carolina, created a thousand new jobs in south carolina come at the same time expanded their employment in washington state by 2000. not one person was hurt. yet president obama in the national labor relations board

went to boeing and said they couldn't do it. an american company. and then i watched president obama gives a speech in front of a joint session of congress and say what to see things made in america. in iran by saying i've got some planes i'm trying to have the macon trust income is up hairline and you're stopping it. now god bless the fact we have an election year, a president a little bit nervous and mitsuko brought down. what was once a thousand employees in boeing is now 6000 employees at polling and his big mac daddy planes are getting ready to rollout on monday. move out of the way about the private sector work. >> you move ahead now to 2011 in your decision early on to endorse governor romney. it's clear that the governor run indoors due early. somebody for whom you have a lot

of respect. it was a decision is controversial and secretly big supporters of yours, not all of them are so quick to support him. talk about how you make a decision in how you felt about the criticism that came from your supporters. be not a lot of it was i knew i needed a partner in the white house. what i knew was right and i didn't have it in a couldn't do the will of the people in the stand having that so i tried to think what i wanted. michael and i said downturned figure out who it decides the person was. we have so many candidates. i chew a report card and legislators over your yet the public know how the legislators voted. michael said what i should do a report card on the candidates and then decide from there. what i knew as i did not want anyone who had anything to do with the chaos that is washington. we have seen what that has gotten us. it's not working so i wanted someone outside of washington. the second thing is i wanted

someone who had been on the other side of government when it came to business and someone who knew what it was like to create jobs and start a business and also knows how hard when a business fails. then i wanted results. allergic governor run me and took one thing they did a source of pride here do as a that wanted a democratic state and listen executive cut taxes and 18 times, balanced his budget with an 85% legislature. i thought what if we had that in washington? on top of that with the fact they knew him, i knew their family. i knew where they were. i knew how he was a just a candidate who wanted to end at this as someone who adopts about how it handled the situation had he been president. all of those things together that they know that was the right person. i needed to be very comfortable

at that. the tea party was a great support to me. i'm a huge fan of the tea party because they are not a party at all. republicans, democrats and independents had enough. what they wanted someone who understands the value of a dollar and works for the people and not the other way round. they want government to understand protections and freedoms and liberties matter. those are one my decision-making because the first thing i'd ever sat down down with governor romney and said i had tough questions to ask you. i don't want mandatory health care in the state of south carolina and i said we can afford and we don't want it. he said first day i will repeal it. but we did in massachusetts was from massachusetts. i would never do a federal national mandate. i said i need to know if i pass illegal immigration reform or voter i.d. or any bill in south carolina that the federal government will not stop the will of the people of south carolina and he said i was a governor to stay.

you have to be at a governor state without the federal government getting in the way. i will always support those things. that was really what got me there. so is tea party values i asked about questions on and got responses back. i can tell you that while some members of the tea party may be disappointed come you can't please everybody all the time. but there's no one or two people that speaks at a tea party. they are not a label. they don't vote in about a day of independent thinking and they did that. you will see even in the state of south caroline at the exit polls, two thirds of the people were still with me after that. i'm very confident that governor romney will be the nominee, but i believe i really did the right thing. >> how do you account for the fact he was able to carry south carolina even after the endorsement? >> south carolina has strong independently narrowminded people. i get asked all the time did i take that personally quite know,

that's what i love that the people of south carolina. they do what they want to do. i respected them to do that and i appreciate the fact they respect i decided i wanted to endorse. i was very comfortable with the. >> i know you have said publicly, definitively in the last few days issue are not interested in being on the ticket if the governor asks you. but what about the cabinet vote? if you sit here and think -- comaneci haley would be a great secretary is commerce, do everything to yourself, and make a difference in south carolina, but perhaps in the romney cabinet to be able to make a difference on a much larger scale. >> my decision -- when you read out the challenges we went through to become governor, the people of south carolina took a chance on me. it's important for me that people trust their government. i made a commitment to them. i have a job to finish and i want to make them proud.

so whether its vice president gore cabinet position, i need to finish the job given to me. i love the state of south carolina and been governor south carolina and i will fight for the nominee in every way to show how it is her south carolina and what was then through. but i'm going to stay in the state and to be doing what it promised to do. spin that one must question before opening up for audience question. you have a chapter in your book dedicated to a strong conservative women, governor palin came in and help to erase. we are in the midst of a real attempt an idea by the mainstream media and the other party to paint the republicans as they were with women. if i could talk about your perception of that in your perception of the role of women going forward for the country. >> i'm a huge fan of women and i think work. you know, the issue really is that not enough women are

running and we need more women in office. we have critics. give our moms, daughters, sisters. we've been through a lot. i'd love to see more women in office. i think women tend to second-guess themselves. they think about their families first and think what if this happens when that happens? what i say to women is we need you. but be a better country when we have more in office. will be better for that. governor palin is a perfect example as she came to state and i tell the story in the book where we're sitting and talking and yes were comparing shoes and food to talk about those things come and we about family and leadership. and she said when you start to win their going to come after you. and she said after you become governor, it's never going to stop and she was so right. i just saw her couple days ago when i said, you are so right. she said it never stops.

for us what we have to do is stay on message. don't get distracted. are they going to try and do it? absolutely. but are we not have? we are. were tough and competent and smart and will continue to prove there is no amount of attacks will stop us. we'll keep on fighting and keep on winning. that is the biggest messages a day as we are not going to whine. will prove the results. >> the point you make in the book so well as we are about opportunity and the issues women care about jobs and economy and making sure kids can go to school and the country assays are all areas of the better off. >> it's interesting, the mainstream media wants to leave the women as one issue voters and were not. we care about jobs in the economy and health care, education and all those things that were very thoughtful in the way we think about it. so that's exactly right.

ii think the media is actually the fight of women and i will tell you i wear heels and it's not for a fashion statement. it's ammunition. >> ammunition is always a good place to add. but the governor would be happy to take any questions folks have about the book or anything else. right here. and there's people walking around with mics. >> high, penny start with dns news. i want ask you what would you say to republicans who feel that mitt romney is not conservative enough? are some questions about his conservative credentials, especially his social conservatism. >> i can tell you from the personal front those are some of the questions asked as well. i asked him about family and he believes marriage should be between a man and woman.

i'm strongly pro-life and not because the party tells me to be that because michael was adopted and we had difficulty with the virtual train. if you look at his -- and i questioned him on that weird if you look at his record as governor, he was voted on the side of life. he was took action on the side of life. not one time where he didn't. so what i tell you is i think as we go through this process, people really look at what they want and do the right thing. it's a great part of our democracy. probably all agree on regardless to the republican candidate as they may support, we all know what we don't want and that is what we've had for the past three years and i think everybody will come back to that in the end. >> yes, over here. >> my question is as indian-american, how you could have to bring that part of the world closer to america.

and the related question as a bomb as investors so much money. we have spent $600 billion in afghanistan since september september 2011. we have given 1700 lives. the one gallon of patrol cost is $40 going to pakistan if costin is $400. bush, even he didn't have to hundred i.q., that he was able to have very good rapport with karzai, with pakistan, but this guy is highly intelligent, but he cannot relate with foreign leaders. he is messing up foreign policies. if you were offered a job with mitt romney, would you accept that? >> i'll start with the first part of your question, which is i educate people on the

greatness of the indian community. i'm incredibly proud because indians are great at medicine, business and teaching in all of that. the one thing they have lacked honesty and involved in government and politics. as the next generation, you will see we are starting to realize we have to have that role, that voice. whether it's bobby jindal or me or several around the country that are chosen to get involved in office, that is a good thing. the other thing i would love for people to know about the indian community as it is one of the minorities that is the highest educate in the country. the highest per capita of any minority in the country. it is one of the minorities that is the least dependent on government assistance. and one of the minorities that is the most philanthropic of any minority in the country. those are all things i'm incredibly proud of. what we are taught growing up is

the best way to appreciate god's blessings is give back and you see that through service and charity. getting into would accept the position that holds true. know at this point are not going to do anything but be a great governor in south carolina. i think what we've seen with president obama is that he really goes back to the new deal concept that government can fix all things that we have seen our debt -- we've seen more debt growth with president obama in three years the messiah with bush and eight and that is what she received that were trying to change. it got to get out of this debt. i care about that for my children and grandchildren. got to stop the spending. fiasco rather governor in the country to balance the budget, washington has to balance the budget. they need to prioritize where they need to span. unformed relations mike situation says it all. we don't know what he's thinking from a foreign affairs standpoint and that is scary.

>> governor haley send sheep from the market council. you talked a little about immigration and i think the republican party's commitment to enforcing the rule of law when it comes to stability immigration is valid and commendable. but i think the other part of the equation sometimes gets left out a little. could you talk about how the republican party needs to change both this perception among the public, among the voters as well as subsidies party issues on what we can do for the people immigration? >> in the past illegal immigration are far in south carolina. unfortunate president obama's not letting us enforce that. but i will tell you is that the daughter of immigrant parents that came here illegally, they put in the time, paid the money, came the right way, they are offended by those who don't, right way.

the second side is we are a country of laws. today we start becoming a country of alaska were going to lose everything that makes us crave. so what do i think? i think we need to enforce our illegal immigration laws, but we also need to look at expanding our work force these situations because immigrants are what make this country great. we need expertise and research. we need to set elegies variable to bring, but we need to develop that legally. so there's two sides to it and i think republicans probably could go talk about the fact a little more about yes we do want immigrants. we want them wiggling between their valuable, but i think they probably need to stress that as much as they stress they don't want legal immigration. >> hi, governor. i'm from the chretien. a quick question about having that some chapters of your book,

i was wondering if you thought any sort of a shared it. split president obama given that he also came from perhaps not most ideal circumstance to go on being elected office can it at african-american and growing up in somewhat difficult circumstances if he felt a shared experience of any sort for which you said that, you know, this body is blocking that out. >> of course not. but i hope that my story tells, but i hope everybody feels is the pride of living in this country. the one thing my parents said over and over he can exist only in this country can you beat anything you want to be and no one is going to get in your way. president obama is proof of that. i am proof of that. look at any entrepreneur to start from strong challenges and how they've become successful. we have examples across the country in business, education,

sports, politics. that is the highlight of this country. that is what we need to grasp onto. i want people to be proud of where we live. my parents are proud of what we do. party or no, nobody can take that away from us. >> 10 heitmann, ras. question for you governor. if the affordable health care act survives the supreme court, what impact will that have a new state budget vis-à-vis the increased medicaid spending that the law requires? >> hours to do with every other state will be devastated because what you see in south carolina lover and a $5 billion. the affordable health care act will cost south carolina 5 billion over 10 years.

we can't afford it. we'll go bankrupt. the part about health care we need to understand as i strongly believe the individual mandate unconstitutional. the second side of it as i strongly believe that states that the best to make these decisions. what i would like to see is for washington to be able to give his block grants. let us decide the best we spend our money. south carolina is not like california, not like texas, not like michigan. we have different issues. in south carolina issues their poverty and education. another state might be something else. if we were given not money, we'd spend less money and be more effective on how we treated our patients. if the affordable health care act goes into place coming of the a lot of private-sector companies pay the penalty and throw it together man. we will see less quality in health care and higher costs. the goal of every state right now should be how do we get the

most help for the least amount of money? i ask is d.c. don't tell me how to do it. but we try to do in south carolina is trying make sure there is transparency from the patient to the.dirt, dr. to the insurance company because if we were to treat health care like we treated getting our oil changed at the car maintenance shop, what would happen? you go and come and tell them what you want and they showed pugilistic games he sang and they do it. if people got involved in health care decisions, if they were able to say at the dennis, i don't want the fluoride, i do want to pay $10 on tylenol, look how much we would save and how much more involved to be. we wouldn't want certain types if we would need medication. we do a lot of things doctors tell us to an 50% would do if we really knew the cost associated with it. my hope is we learned a great lesson from it. the lesson is yes we need to

address health care. every state needs to do it in every state needs to individually with their own programs and plan, not through the mandatory. yes. >> hi, jimmy rodgers with the "washtington examiner" i hope the question doesn't come off shallow, but she mentioned high-heeled and i know women in government face a lot of critique for what they where and how they silver-haired, whether it's hillary clinton growing their hair long or how much their palest clothes cost. i'm curious how or even if you think much about how your dressing of how you're presenting yourself and if you've gotten any blowback for that. >> you know, i will tell you that the thing that surprises me is how much people won't let you forget about what she looked like. you know, announcing a groundbreaking continental

announced the largest investment in north america in a small town called some dirt and we went there for the announcement. it was either continental power, great one and we brought them from china. either way great economic development with lots of job and one of the stories they talked about this year because cannot be into its shots and did you see the governor's shoes? i was shocked by the number of people that e-mailed me and asked, why did she wear earrings? you don't look finished. because i'm allergic to metal. i can't do that. but i will tell you again, it goes back to there's not enough women in office. hillary clinton went through that. they talked about her hair, clothes or is there a pill and. attacked about her suit. but you have to laugh it off. what we have to do is work a little bit harder and what we have to do is make sure we focus on results. it's not what they say, it's

what we do. it's about the job, the reform that i do. i can make jokes about these. i've got a completely male senate. do i want to use these for kicking like sometimes they do. but it's all in fun and we can't take it too seriously. we just have to take it in stride. in the back over there. >> mckinsey langer with "politico." you wrote yourself out of the vice presidential, but last night she called alan west a good option. i was just wondering if you could elaborate a little more on why you would recommend in as your topic and if you could talk a little more about other people. >> verse while i'm not recommending anybody. i'm not qualified to recommend anybody. first off the people mentioned in all those people i mentioned had been mentioned as the vice residential nominee. i think there's going to be a slew of people. i mentioned alice west bank,

chris christie, marco rubio name has come up. kelly eye out. what i said is the vice presidential candidate i'm not worried at all. we've got great people. we will have a great vice presidential candidate. i also don't know i'm the one who needs to recommend that to me. mitt romney will have a tough time and whenever it is that will excite ebola and be a good strong partner for the picket. >> we have time for one more question. >> melissa maynard, state lines. you institute a policy of requiring all state employees -- wondering how that working out, especially in agencies like the department of fractions. >> one of the things i talk about in the book as well as coming into office, but i realized was how negative people

were. i think that has been the hardest part is on a positive person by nature and they were very negative. i kept saying how could they make the state proud? rebuild planes. we built cars, towers, the number one vacation spot in the country. i want people to take all of that in. one day i was thinking in my office and went to miss sheila's desk, our secretary up front and i said i should try some thing. the next time you answer answer the phone saves a great carolina, how may i help you? and she did and the person dancer lies, it is a great day in south carolina. i said that day, where can i do it. so what i required islamic cabinet agencies to start answering the phone. there were two sides to that. the media wanted to pick up on the one side. one was i wanted employees to feel proud of where they worked. i wanted everybody to be proud of the fact we're in a great state in good standing right

now. do we have challenges? yes, but every day is better than the day before. the second part was how may help you? government is in the customer service business. i want everybody in state government to answer the phone and understand they work for the person on the other side of the line and their job is to make sure they solve their problem and send them to where they need to go and make sure that taking care of botanica the phone. there's two sides to that. i will tell you that while the media and a couple of legislators thought it was terrible, everybody in my cabinet has appreciated. now i don't go anywhere in south carolina or outside where they don't it's a great day in south carolina. department of juvenile justice. you talk about corrections and that's very true to the department of juvenile justice and corrections agency for juveniles. the direct or started implementing it in the first a after implemented she drove to the guard gate and the officer

opening the gates said good morning, miss barbara. it's a great day in south carolina and she loved it. so now all the guard gave his ego and say it's a great day. the media called the substance-abuse director and said you've people in substance abuse. would he think think about that? is that i think is the best thing that happened because i want people to know it's good to be okay. where can it be alright. for that that is the thing. i gave it insistence? of course. they must have meant they welcomed it, or she did it and it's given everybody this new, happy life to themselves and now we celebrate our state. we brag about our state. i will tell you it has been a great thing for south carolina. >> i want to take the prerogative of sitting up here to the last question. to get your assessment on 2012,

were very close now to being in the general election. and we've seen over the last couple of days the task president a bona fide agitate your stunning comments about supreme court's role from the rose garden. comments you know he can't think are true given is a constitutional law scholar. and also though, going after governor romney and chairman ryan in his remarks at the news paper association. talk about how we as republicans can effectively counter what we now know is going to be the obama message. >> very important in november for all of us to remember. we need to focus on one thing and that is president of on this record. he's going to continue to distract. that's his job. we need to continue to stay focused. that's our job. look at the economy, look at the data, the credit rating, gas pump, the fact we have not balanced a budget.

stay on message. this is a man who came into office as a candidate talking about hope and change. nothing has tried to do his work. tonight is going to scare the american public into thinking they better reelect him was going to get worse. to have him be such an olean schooled republicans and say i can't believe you're trying to cut and reform these entitlements and trying to prioritize spending is exact to what we want. he's going back to the new deal looking for government to grow and save everybody from themselves i'm telling you the rest of the american public is saying that is not what we want anymore. we realize that now. so i think there's a tremendous opportunity after seeing him fall apart a little bit that he has reached a new level of trying to figure out where it's going to go because he knows he can't on this record.

he's desperately trying to make sure he goes somewhere else. what is looking like as a bully, like he's panicking over record he can't defend and mikey hasn't been able to show leadership and he knows it. >> i hope if you won't be on the ticket, not least be out across the country campaigning very vocally as we head towards november. >> that's a given. i want to again recommend everyone they spoke in a wonderful story. it's been a real pleasure. >> thank you so much. [applause] >> for more information, visit the author's website, nikki haley.com >> here is our primetime lineup for tonight.

>> i thought i would just type a little bit briefly about why this story intrigued me so much. a little bit about the reporting process and bring it forward to today because they think that is what intrigues me that opens the floor to questions. i will admit versatile and sadly not a holy cross grad, which somebody not just naturally that i must be an alumnus of the school to know the story. the way i came across the story of a sand in, one of the men in the boat. we were having a luncheon is the

same day that ted wells was it front-page story in "the new york times." he was representing scooter libby at the times of going way back. he started to type about his classmates, the other black classmate and father broke and has intrigued. because clarence thomas was one of those classmates and i had not read much about the interaction between justice thomas and other perks. so that got me intrigued. it was not a classic business story. and always interested in leadership. i was interested in mentoring. it took quite a while to get justice thomas to speak with me. i think in part because he didn't necessarily trust the agenda i had, which is i would like to talk about 1968, 69, 70, dozier's. what amazed me was when i did go in to see him come in the depth of passion he had for holy

cross. the feelings and emotions he had about father brooks. i am not sure who was at his presentation last week when he got his honorary degree, but that came up again that when you contrast to those about holy cross versus padilla said about his experience that you know, there's a profound difference and i think one of the big differences with his classmates in the way he felt treated at the college and certainly the way he felt treated by father brooks. so i basically just set out to do an article. i decided that it was in fact grounds for a book and i have to say this being my first the project, when i mousers of directions that ultimately didn't work, one of which was lots of history at the jesuit publisher said no, enough of that. a lot of the history took me a while to pronounce like everybody else who is not from the area, not worchester.

and ultimately came down to the story of these five men and father brooks. one thing it meant is unfortunately a lot of the people i talk to i had to diminish their roles in the boat. i had to take names out because again the editor said, you know what, i'm getting confused keeping track of all of these people. focus on these men come at a they formed and use that as a microcosm for what takes instead holy cross and what was being experienced across the country at that time. and i think that there were a couple of things i try to be careful not to do. one was heightened the drama too much with fake love interest in dialogue, but i think the main thing that was important to me that holy cross was both special and unique, but it was a microcosm of what was happening in the country at that time.

i am not american. i actually grew up in scotland. i'm half catholic, but radius that can be made to have when you're reporting a holy cross. i was always intrigued by this. i was born in the late 60s and never really fully understood kind as the emotions of the time that the book opens right after that to martin luther king has been killed. also father brooks intrigued me as somebody who was a pioneer who went out there and basically circumvented the admissions process. he was very controversial as you know, those of you would read the book and know him he's a very strong-willed man and basically went out in a car with jim gallagher, drove to the school, personally interviewed a lot of these men, not the man who came in through other means such as eddie who came in through a not sonic scholarship.

can i copy my piece? and everybody still hear me? and then sat in a coffee shop one night and decided who is going to get in. the two of them. and presented the president at the time come the $80,000 for a college that had a million dollars endowment at the time was quite a cross to bear. but what he was looking for. i asked him, how do you decide? anyone who is apparent in the room knows that intelligence is not necessarily something that is a hallmark of success. it doesn't necessarily lead to success. we talked to father brooks who's looking for leadership quality, drive, people who have a work ethic, people hoping to reach beyond their grasp, black and

white. as you may or may not know he was fighting at the time to get women into the college. sadly for the cost is 72 they did not arrive until the fall of that year and that was after father brooks became president and said he managed to shake up the trusty word a little bit and get some longer that did finally pass a resolution to let women into the college. so when i look at this story and i take your questions. i think what really struck me is when i look at today is first of all the network. it's a network of these men. it's called "fraternity" because this is not about one man can a theology professor later deemed him a later president to win up to see the group of men. these are men who are highly motivated, highly accomplished being given an opportunity they would not have had probably two, three years earlier. for african-american students at

holy cross but they tended to be one or two years. in some cases one. as our partner say, one would come in on athletic scholarship to the catholic school network and i was pretty much it. this was the first major group that came in. 29. clarence thomas transferred after dropping out of the seminary. he was the first time they'd critical numbers numbers on campus. what i think happened was father brooks and the college never feared on academic standards. all of them have to work as hard, harder in many cases that i think ted wells and clarence thomas tended to close down the library at night according to everybody i talk to. but i think what he did make concessions to socially and he understood how difficult it was. you keep than the ps2 game. the college paid for them to have a station wagon for them to get off campus as often as they could. he paid for them to have a psu.

he allowed them to live together in a pot quarter, which is controversial. we have one of the editors of the crusader at the time and i remember reading a lot of the articles that were basically students were upset about this almost resegregation they call that. but he understood it is difficult to make concessions who i talk to the men it was the i.t. at the very highest levels of the college, they understood people cared about their success. they understood people of faith and non-and was father brooks there is always an open door. there is bad philosophy for the 2000 sudan who were there. many people here for a very close father brooks ansari is not what this today. he was with us last night and was here last week for clarence thomas' event. but when i talk to father brooks today, he just wants leaders and

he felt the college is missing out on being the best in to tuition in this country by not reaching out and getting leaders from all parts of society. women, black, white, asian. i know holy cross has made great strides and diversity. certainly a strong generation of leaders. and that jane roberts in the first class and many other women who are pioneers dare. but when i look at today, i think one thing that's interesting is there has been great success, great faith in terms of what has happened with african-americans. ted wells i know what to harvard. some of his classmates they are include american express ken frazier. a lot of hialeah, pushed men from that generation. there's also a lot of disappointment and a lot of disappointment at what happened with the black middle-class in this country, what is happening with education and the erosion of opportunity.

frankly what also happened in terms of some of the decisions come as some of which have been made by justice thomas in terms of opportunities, affirmative action and such. in the sense that the next wave for this generation is going to be financial. it's going to be encouraging entrepreneurship. it's going to be basically giving people the tools to start their own businesses and to inspire the same -- i think that's my phone. inspire the same generation of leaders that came out there. in closing before i take questions, one thing i want to say, another thanks to the holy cross community because one game this process has been forced to meet the strong fraternity in power that this is pat, but one of the highest levels of giving, which is amazing, especially for people at canadian university. but holy cross, when i let at

the networks that have been formed, the friendship, power of the cross as they call it and the way that people support each other and love each other across the generations is very inspiring and also to meet a testament of how leadership happened to this country, happens everywhere else and i think the support and the people have shown to father works in this process and for these men and an appreciation for how difficult it was to be pioneers on the black campus. i hope it is a story will continue to come back to again and again. as a reporter given the support i got from holy cross, i want every story to be based on the holy cross can't base. so thank you very much. thank you again for supporting the boat. i don't think it does justice to the. and father brooks, but i hope at least as a starting others