department. dr. david dewitt, a start with the basics is there a fundamental argument of abolition or creation or compatibility between the two? how low do you define the argument? >> first, recreationist and abolitionist move in the same world, same science, the same data but how it is interpreted. evolution has the interpretative for a work to evaluate scientific data but creation has that alternative remark. i able evidence and

arguments for evolution best journals to support creationist idea is 87 to humans evolve from aids or animals the ball over the centuries? >> they absolutely did not but word directly created by god. it is confusing evolution because it can mean different names in a different context. if you talk about changes that occur in a group of organisms, small-scale of pollution. everything from to wall lot to great dave norris st. st. bernard, a huge range of variation but they come from

the original created dog. we can observe it there is a different type of the evolution or, been ancestors that says all living things share the same common ancestor. that is where i have the dispute. but not with plants are crops antibiotic resistance and bacteria. we can observe that. suggest the story of how phoenix came to me. >>host: dr., you start

"unraveling the origins controversy" looking at genesis some people mean millions of years but you think six days? >> that is correct. that is about chapter three i address the meeting of genesis chapter i. we do mean those to be normal solar days. there is a lot of biblical evidence to support even from access recent creation. jesus said from the beginning the creator made them male and female and

quotes from jesus saying manic is created from the beginning means it is from the creation week not to 4 billion years after. >>host: so household is mankind? >> roughly 6,000 years. >>host: do teach charles darwin that all? >> we talk about him quieted it. >>host: what is his bell you. >> we challenged erroneous notions people had. at the time people thought to the species was fixed create did exactly as they are today.

that was incorrect. and then we see evidence of change through time. he was correct but the suggestion all living saying this come from ancestry. so we don't teach it as the explanation of how we got here. >>host: what is your response to big bang theory? >> it is a little frustrating because it does not explain what we want most explained, which is

where did everything come from? also why the universe is so fast. we have pockets of other aspects to account for 271 of the largest scientific projects under way is the super collider looking for the god particle. >> they are not having much luck. when we're looking for origen's we really have to approach historical science

and is slightly different way than empirical science and your cosines is what i do it by lab is to predict the future. experiment is if my prediction of the future is the case. bet on a piano something of how the universe works. when we talk about the past, it is historical science. we cannot do the experiments the same way. we have to make a whole range of assumptions to have multiple competing hypophysis.

so if we add of the question what killed the dinosaurs? we could say there was a meteor rate that collided with year if. we can look for evidence of that. but there could be other alternatives we have not considered and do not have the evidence. there could be a lethal virus. but we could have evidence for one buydown but when a

crime scene is investigated investigated, they pieced together what happened in the past. >> undergrad michigan state and ph.d. from case western? >> it is in neuroscience with research on alzheimer's disease. the focus has ben been molecular biology. as far as creation research looking at origin of life and dna similarities to seven dr. david dewitt have you always felt the way that

you do? >> no. in fact, going through school, public school school, abolition, i did attend church but but looking at the compatibility i said evolution must have been the way god would create the partly through college i began to see that as unworkable but in particular it requires millions of years of death to get from the veba to the law school. millions of years but the

bible is cleared death, this after the garden. as a result of sen. it is a fundamental conflict and how it cuts to the foundation of gospel to pay the penalty of death when it is judgment day it is the end of death is the intrusion into the world. after god creates and says this is good after everything, very good to have a death true than wasteful process to have to

seize and the bloodshed is inconsistent with day loving god. when you view you shouldn't come make is the idea but not what was intended. >>host: "unraveling the origins controversy" comment david dewitt when you teach this book debt but what is the most frequently asked questions? >> i don't teach that. but there is a course that this blaster reit -- history of life we have the center for creation steadies. biology class is we have standard textbooks that is

similar to any other state university. but i teach a class four upper level students. it had evolutions zero and 5.out where they don't get to the whole picture. also the world view aspects there are two main types. bacteria that does not have a nucleus with dna. we have plants but then those that do have a nucleus

but, by their name they are carrying evolutionary baggage. because bacteria comes before the nucleus containing cells containing cells. other aspects of where they've refer to one organism to another common the evidence the gene is concerned, it is similar.

all the evidence the genes are similar. one saying that i find people think of pollution is a fact but they don't recognize the assumption that is there. part of what i tried to do was emphasized evolution assumption to contrast with creation assumption. >>host: may talk with professor david dewitt at the chair of the biology department "unraveling the origins controversy" is the name of the book published

by creation curriculum. >> lisa miller is a woman i met to one decade ago involved in a homosexual relationship. she tried to leave but unfortunately found herself

battling to keep per child for herself and away from her former same-sex partner to be treated like a divorce case but then heard daughter at that time 18 months old and purging it does not recognize same-sex but they went to vermont been the move to vermont for one-year the job as 18 months bet then guide convince stir that was not the lifestyle for her she thought she filed papers and vermont but her former partner asked for custody also virginia and

they would recognize. >>host: how were you involved? >> we were contacted shortly after, the liberty counsel was contacted by the $7 and nonprofit legal organization and we focus on the vacation related to traditional family, the pro-life, religious liberties. she asked us to represent her because she realized quickly the court would treat her former partner as a parent and get visitation and custody. she looked for help what she argued as her constitutional right to maintain full custody. that was eight months after

in 2004. >>host: why did it take seven years? >> it took its time for want issued in visitation to the former partner. then the sec filed suit realizing vermont was the lawsuit asking to declare that child to go to the sub but then two states were involved. court in vermont was setting precedent and edna did sell. it was us slow path. the court was cautious but it was hesitant to complete

the take her child but it did ordered the said to turn per child over to janet. vermont sought it as a husband and wife and leases stopped giving visitation their vermont court did to order lisa to give up the child because she would not order visitation. >>host: where is she now? >> i have no idea. to pastors have been arrested allegedly helping her flee the country. >> affiliated with liberty counsel? >> they were urbanite pastors. accessing through media

reports, one is in nicaragua alleged to be involved another was here in the country and face saying trial helping her flee the country with her child. that is all i know. >>host: you were her lawyer at the time? the court case came down? >> the timing is different. there is a lot of motions made so we were waiting for the court to decide then after one month later sell she left about one month before.

>>host: total surprise? >> complete surprise. we both went to the same church so i had spoken in two per one week before talking about applying were jobs but then i could not reach her by e-mail or phone. >>host: three years ago? >> yes. >>host: issue came back what would happen the goalie? >> right now facing federal criminal charges kidnapping churches she took the child to prevent visitation they saying three years in jail. >>host: issue came back or was arrested are you still

hurt lawyer? >> technically. the vermont courts would not let us get out to represent her. there was still one years worth of litigation after she left. week asked to be removed the court would not lead us. there's also a pending case away been hurt return. we are listed as as her attorney. somebody else recently asked the same question. she is entitled to a defense bill we have to come to that when it happens. >>host: is your story is that about family law or homosexuality or lease of

miller? >> all of at and more. it is important to understand her decision but there was the ultimate of choice she had a very rough childhood with a series of addictions from cutting, lead drugs, good diet pills, alcohol, so it was the last of her addictions. people understand what led her to get involved. it was choice. i want churches to hear the story because i don't thain they do a good enough job mystery to those so i hope

they will be more involved for those struggling with this helping them to see there is another life choice but also bent to wake up america. there is a battle in place i don't think parents and the citizens know in our schools that there is the overt active agenda to say this is a verbal parents need to know to change the course we're on. >> most allowed gay marriage working its way through california. is it inevitable to except a

marriage? >> but the a christian in god's ability to change minds but it means to be a grass-roots movement to take us to abase sic understanding of right and wrong to stand we believe. my being weak and stop it but if we continue on this path you are right did is inevitable. >> has that practice of family law grown? >> yes. but what i definitely see is related to issues of trying to strike down as a large

number of cases taking place with former same-sex partners they want to claim parenting rights same sex adoption in well-placed a adoption in well-placed and then those that take place blossom around the country. >>host: is that lisa miller on the cover? >> no. they aren't just models. >> that is a stock photo off the internet. >>host: what do teach? >> family law. also foundations of law

would day explain "the federalist papers" enumerated powers, states rates then apply a to those issues two-seat did day get their right or wrong? and teach some writing courses. >>host: where did you go to school? >> new york city and undergrad michigan state. guide definitely picked this for my life. i had given up on teaching and the reason i made it personally is cut to train the next generation to send

them out there to transform the culture. >>host: at what point* does this story end? >> i don't know. legally when it she is found work comes back when isabella cannot be forced to visit. i hope the message resonates with leaders and churches. i don't want it to end. >>host: reworking on other cases similar? >> not currently. we rake in the gatt calls with custody i