a nice turn out for the stock. after last week, the anniversary

, media coverage, nobody would ever want to hear another word about the titanic. so all this week of bad lots of people turning up to talk. i am delighted. by the way, do we have. in our. okay. all right. okay. if they stood shifting in their seats and no i've gone on too long. i've taken my jacket off. i thought this edwardian outfit on the internet. undetermined to advertise it. the jacket is too hot for this room. at any rate, the book is called a gilded lives. i thought i would interview a little bit about my history with the titanic and how i came to this book. my experience in life is the one thing leads to another. that's what led me to this book. so over the past ten days are so , one of most popular questions, were you always interested? where does this come from.

people still think it's slightly odd, not as odd as it used to be. there are some friends here who are titanic buffs. i can remember a time where i knew or knew of just about every titanic buff and not america. not everybody has become a titanic buff. the year-old stand-up in school and correct me on the disposition of the transfer on the titanic. this actually happens. but to answer the questions why am i interested in the titanic, i have to go back to being a weak japanese challenge. when i was six years old we emigrated to canada. and before we left we went down to london. in those days there were no planes. he emigrated to north american people but you are never coming back. so my parents took us down to london to see the sights. my two brothers and nine being attacked by pigeons.

i am the one in the middle who is afraid of pigeons. my two brothers were much more bold. then we went up to liverpool and got on the liner. it was a brand new ship. the fourth crossing, i think, something like that. 1956. and my brothers and i, my sister was too young. our father had come over earlier we got into all kinds of trouble. i mean, we got every where it was possible to give up, down to the engine rooms. up reclined. and our mother was just continually decide yourself. you know? was bad enough to have to emigrate to a new country, but to have these crazy boys going everywhere. many years later i was able to use some of that in a novel that scholastic test me to write about a canadian boy on then titanic.

they get into all kinds of trouble, just as we did. my next move and i was about 12. my brother and i saw the film for many people this was the titanic moment for the founding of the titanic's the sort -- historical society. everything that happened last week and probably be traced back he really revised interest in the titanic in the 1960's. we were all just script by that film. after it was over, at competitive to say how we would have survived. my brother was sure that he could climb onto an iceberg and he would be fine. my brother said, oh, no, i'll build a raft. i do remember what my theory was, probably that i would drown but years later, of course talk when i met walter, told in this story. he listened to a story kindly and indulgently to a story he had heard at least a million

times, and shorts. then when i was a young editor working for a toronto publishing firm him actually i was the publishing director by then i met robert ballard, who i'm sure all of you have heard of. and he said that he was going to find the titanic. there was a toronto lawyer representing him, and he was not completed or not, having about some of like an interesting people in this. back in 1984 when this was going on the titanic was sort of in bad odor. always somebody going to find it. it was like a lot ness monster or bigfoot. somebody, known as arc. always an expedition, raising money, publishers and film makers to go into this. and then they never quite found its. you know, just a year before this had been a texas oil man who had done this. and everybody had to put out a book or a film called beyond reach, our search for the titanic, which is a hard sell.

so, you know, the big publishers are not jumping up and down for this. and i said to my partner, gosh, you know, i have always loved the titanic. if he finds it at think it is worth flying to meet this guy. so we did. he had charisma coming out of every port. he was clearly bound to be a star in some fashion or other. so we simply said, if you find the titanic we would really love to do your book. the next year he went out with a joint french team, french american team. in july of 1985 they began surveying using this led call largo. a second one. this was pretty primitive by today's standards. and it was. and angus was even worse, a really old camera sled that they

call dough on a rope. but what they did was essentially take the position that the titanic lifeboats were picked up by the copay via. that was unknown position. not necessarily accurate. they drew a big square around it and then started doing what was called mowing the lawn. so they would drag that deep slit across the ocean bottom, across the tertiary and then turn it around and come back and do it again and again and again. as you know, when you mow the lawn if you turn to sharply you miss the spot and within that spot could be the titanic. so very carefully all through july on the ship they covered much of the church -- search area and saw nothing but lots and lots and lots of mud. then in august the american team took over. name of the lawn and mobile launchers for all of august. they found nothing. so by labor day, because labor did your near, bob was getting a

little desperate. he decides to try and help mary solution. he decides said start this position and just take big, wide sweeps across the search area because, as he says, you know, in having searched for lost ships and having found lawsuits in this the, i knew was not looking for something 882 and a half feet long, which is the length of the titanic. i was maybe looking for something a mile long because when ships sank base bill debris and artifacts and so on. often a debris trail that can be as much as a mile long to find the ship. so if i take big, wide sweeps over this area may be on get lucky. so sunday night of labor day weekend, they had to go home the next day. at about 130 in the morning bob ballard had gone off watch and was very depressed and went back to his cabin and went to bed. and then all the sudden on the monitor this slam into view.

they have not seen anything like that in two months of searching, and then you it was not something that god had made line on the ocean floor. so he flipped open a book about the building of the titanic, found this picture, lee was on watch. said,. and, indeed he had spotted that this was one of the titanic boilers. of course these were giant furnaces into which kohl was shoveled day and night by men call soakers, often nicknamed the black day because there were covered in coal dust. of course it was burning the cold a boil the water that makes this team that turned the propellers and made the ten ago. it's just like your steam kettle. blows the lid off when the water boils. the steam pressure in a highly simplified way that made the titanic go. so they knew there were very close. they then went a bit further,

found the shattered whole of the titanic, the bell section, plowed right into the mud. they had a memorial service right then and there, tremendously moved all of them, there were standing over the graves of 1500 people. it went up on deck and said a little prayer and then they broke out the cheap champagne in the plastic cups to celebrate their achievements. i get the call on labor day monday. i did not know what to say. no, that's cool when they tell me that they found the titanic. embarrassing, but i did not know what else to say. this was the last big moment for quite a while because it hit the papers, i think of the monday night or tuesday morning all over the world. it was huge, absolutely enormous news story. and the american team, of course, given complete credit for it. and the french were extremely upset about this, not without

some reason. and you know, being what it is, my partner and the lawyer regattas into this flew to france and spent many days waiting in a french admirals' office cooling their heels to try and pass things out. but it never happened. so by the next summer he said to heck with the french in stronger language than that. he decided that he was going to go and take his submarine home, which had been retrofitted with a titanium hole to go as deep as 3 miles. and they went out to the site and made the first ever dive on the titanic in 1986. and at the front of his submarine is what he called his swimming eyeball, jason jr., or j.j. that could get into smaller spots. the drop over the side. down, down, down, darker in color, darker and colder, and in the ocean bottom in pitch darkness. he radios up. they say, well, yes, you are near the site.

he flicks on his lights. and they're in front of him is this wall of steel a rising from the ocean floor. he said it was like a science-fiction movie. and he looked at it and said, this amount by the way, is a painting. you could not photograph anything quite that large down there with no light. and this genius who we discovered in working this book. many of the illustrations are by him. some he depicted this highly accurately. he also said it looks like the titanic is weeping. he coined a new word right then and there. they look like rusted gulf. rest ago is now a word in the dictionary. icicle made of rust. so he flew up, landed with a wheel house used to be right on that bridge. now, there are under water organisms at that depth. but -- much of the deck had been eaten, but here the format, with

a real house was. jason jr., if you can see, he's looking at the crow's-nest and the bell that was still there. the belt that of course bring. the bridge telethon was there, which she shuddered as byrd ahead 100 years ago on saturday night. he then went backward or went aft -- no, sorry, this shows you the bridge as it was, the man at the wheel and the compasses and so forth on april 14th 1912. again, this is all depicted by his excellent artwork. he then landed right by where the staircase used to be, and i'm sure from the movie you all remember that beautiful dome that once stood over the grand staircase and kate and leo or jack and roh's standing beside

the beautiful clock on the mahogany staircase, well, that is all gone. although he sent him down into the staircase. you can still see traces of the beautiful mahogany carvings on the pillar. one of the light fixtures hanging from the ceiling. a feathery see pan kind of coral sprouted from this one. but then that is how it all looked in april of 1912. and that clock on the wall. ken has depicted this. of course in tuxedos process and the women in evening gowns going down to a d deck for debtor -- dinner. this woman is wearing a gown by lucille lady duff gordon, the world's foremost the torero who was actually on board the titanic and also more about her

in a minute. so, two years of working, historians, the people resulted in this book. you know, publishers told us that it was really a magazine article. they had said, oh, well you know, the national geographic article on this was basically a cover-up. of course 30 years since he had dominated the best-seller list. they could not have been more wrong. he published it in 14 countries simultaneously and is sold over a million and have copies. that was a huge success. then i thought, done with the titanic. i knew i wanted to do a children's book. i did that. very successful. then add that the welcome undone. but then the next year all of these international publishers, well, we did very, very well. can you do something else. i said, can't exactly find the ship. it's found now. >> oh, no.

the titanic, i think people like the titanic. so i thought the ball well, i love working. what if i got him to do for the next year to nothing but paid the titanic in all its many guises. he did, and we did this book, titanic, an illustrated history, which is a very, i think, a beautiful book. it proved to be a favorite book of this man, james cameron who is a canadian film maker you might have heard of. he makes the home movies like avatar. anyway, he bought up the book by the caseload. i was pleased on his tv special that he held it up and said this is the inspiration from a movie, that andrea and juliet. i have been saying that the book inspired his movie. now i feel justified. so he bought it up by the caseload fell and took it around and give it to hollywood studios and said, you know, cgi

rendering, which was kind of new white, we can reproduce these paintings. he became the visual consultant for the bellboy. of the people that he knew. and we played a small role. during the filming when everyone was saying it was going to be the biggest turkey of all time. it was going to be a turkey. he was spending way too much money. all these stories. well, you know, it's telling me all about. then i got a call for one of the of the producers, eating the actual food on the set. you know, we actually had the recipes.

that thought to myself. in no, because reactors, we reenact the last night. cook the food. i think this past weekend, the titanic tenor. did the book because cameron was interested in having recipes for the film. and then we saw some cuts of the film and realized that it was not going to be a turkey, but stupendous. but why should everybody else take advantage of this. we should also do some more books. the film came out. 3-d, and it has now surpassed avatar as the most successful film. the 3-d version made it once again number one. the titanic once again in the stratosphere of popular culture. soaker relative of itouch and survivors sent me a story that a

passenger had ridden through the eyes. the whole family had survived. i thought that would make a charming children's book. i wrote a text for a large kettle with book. and i knew that kids have a million questions about the titanic. i did a q&a book, one for every foot of the titanic. after the movie came out, james cameron also could not get away from the titanic. he said he made the movie so that he could die if on the titanic. he decided to make his first 3-d found, a documentary called ghost of the abyss and went back with equipment to far superior to anything anybody else that had and went right down and had a tiny robot that could get, you know, deep into tiny places inside the ship into what i think are still some of the most astonishing pictures. now, i got this lovely photograph. it's too bad the lights are a bit bright.

now, it is the olympic, the identical sister ship, but it was the glass plate image. you feel you can almost get into that picture. cameron is down on the deck where passengers medford's the and after dinner when the orchestra played. they had drinks there in this beautiful room with the ceiling. the plant is all around. of course james cameron go right down and. some of these pillars still standing. similar, you can see the face scale pattern on them. the light fixture, lots of glass. and other pages of the book. you can see planters' still standing. the stained-glass windows. it was a very eerie sensation. well, years past. we did more books. and then i have always been a writer. ready full-time. i had written about a dozen

children's books. ellis love the painting of a man named john singer sargent to all of you know because he did those murals up on the top floor. he is a fixture. from here originally. and always loved the work. i have always wondered about this very popular painting of the tuberose and the victorian garden. were the real? i thought someday when i have the time of like to research that. so i went and research the painting. of course the first thing that i learned, i went up to the village of broadway raid was painted in the garden and broadway. the painting, at first, was begun in this house would still looks much as it did. barnum house. my nephew and i went out and knocked on the door. we are from canada. we heard there was this painting done in the garden.

perhaps we could come in. in a very an english like with a set sure. and then got to know the whole village and started an art festival there two years ago, the broadway art festival. you had this use the famous art quality in 1885. henry james, john singer sargent. if this was america it you would have an art festival. now they do. i put on the plate based on the story of carnation leros. the first day i found out when i started to get really interested was that the garden it was painted and was found by this man, frances davis miller. my first love was, oh, no. i knew that frank miller had died on the titanic. so i felt like out pacino and got the other three. i get pulled beckoned. no escaping the titanic for me. and so i, of course, went to the smithsonian archives and other

places that have papers and discovered that he lived this extraordinarily interesting life in fact, i sometimes think of him as the forest gump of the gilded age. whenever things were happening in the gilded age frank millet was there. i mean, the gilded age, the term was coined by mark twain, a satire on greed and corruption that underlie america's post civil war boom so people sort of think that the gilded age is bracketed by world war one, the civil war on the one hand and world war one of the other. here is crank millet, a drummer board in the civil war. he was born not far from here and grew up in east bridgewater, the son of a doctor, went to harvard. here he is as a young harvard man, 1865 to 69 and went abroad to study art in interest. here he is with his cronies.

this is a painting of his room, his students' rooms with all his models. and then after he left he lived a bohemian life traveling all around, the middle east, all over europe. and then moves for winter in venice with this man. it's clear from this remarkable cache of letters that frank miller cents that there were much more than just friends. in fact, frank was probably responsible for the most unabashedly homoerotic love letters to have survived from the 19th century. he was a remarkable man in every way. and when charlie leaves and he is bereft and a friend to come back to east bridgewater. and there he moaned about the provincialism of being back and away from the bohemian life, but

it is a hugely interesting insights into the life of the 19th century that you don't usually get. nonetheless, four years after charlie leaves and he is still writing letters trying to wreck of but charlie. he marius' lilly millet, and she was the sister of his best friend at harvard and quite a beautiful headstrong woman. and mark twain and a guest this, two pillars of the gilded age, the two witnesses at the wedding in 1879. and then by 1885 they have settled in this village off broadway. the house, and henry james shows up and puts broadway on the matter by writing about it in harvard weekly as this perfection of a village, his perfection of english tradition. he had been brought there by the

presence of one of his proteges, john singer sargent. of course, sargent was just getting over the whole. [speaking in native tongue] scandal in paris. he painted the woman with the drop underdress which caused a huge scandal. and, of course, look to john singer sargent came to broadway with, edwin austin abbey, the man who painted murals in this room. and everybody seems to have had a man crash, maybe more. there were all enamored. he was extremely charming. and the surgeon told him a delightful original genius. they were paddling up the thames when the sergeant go into the water and hit his head. he said, well, let's go to broadway. that is of the whole scene and the whole nation really came

into being. later he did not spend much time with lilly. he left her and broadway to raise the children. he went off to do exciting things, one of which was to become director of declarations for the chicago world's fair in 1893. in fact, frank miller was the man who made the white city white. the devil and the white city starts with frank millet of the titanic. it was his idea. they were desperate to come up against the terrible deadline. covered with red plastic. frank came up with the idea of painting the hopeless white. even invented spray painting with a gas pipe and the compressor. he was a remarkable guy. he also painted murals, several of the buildings and was involved with presenting of the biggest display of american art and sculpture ever seen anywhere. the brilliant showcasing of american art at the chicago world's fair led to the idea of

an american academy in rome. paris is not the center of the art world to my room was. classical art was up to be what of models it emulate. france and england and spain had academies there. it was time that america had an academy. of course this project was spearheaded by the menu is an architect who designed the building that we are all sitting in. of course, the big money men of the age, the man he went to when you had a project. so my breakfasted with him. think it was 1890 at his brownstone on madison avenue in new york. got more than he bargained for. agrees to pony up the money or some money for the american academy, but he also said he

wants to the library built next door to his brownstone. he told, just give me a gem. most people agree that the morgan library still stands as one of new york's architectural treasures. and you can see the similarity in style to this building certainly. and then if we look again, there is another building on top of the hill, the american academy in rome. but in 1912 frank milliken had gone to rome. he had become the director of the american academy. as he was waiting for the titanic, he was one very tired man because he spent a month in rome dealing with administrative problems and hassles and headaches and also has spent the last ten days paying for it. never an easy man. they stood together with the building now stands.

i'm looking at the plants and talking. i'm sure that morgan was pleased to hear that is best friend was going to be boarding his newest ship and a couple of days. morgan himself had planned to be on board and one of the two grandest suites, but he decided to go with his mistress instead. but i begin the book -- zero, there was one part to the job that frank was pretty keen on, the villa on the site still owned by the american academy, 16th century cardinal's residence. his wife, lily, who had become an interior decorator had great plans for it and hope to be reunited with her wandering husband there for this green twilight years of their old age. that was not to be. before lilley showed up frank was staying at the villa with archy who had been -- with whom

he had been living in washington for the last few years. now, just one of the most fascinating people ever on the titanic. a 47 year-old bachelor. he was the chief military aid to the white house. theodore roosevelt in the last zero data administration and then william howard taft. he had become so close to both men that his nickname at the white house was the beloved. he was a bachelor devoted to the memory of his mother, live in an exclusive town house with a collection of rooms rented to other best sellers. here he is. he was always at the side of taft. he knew his popularity was raining. an election year, and the republicans were divided as to who could be the most progressive of the two candid it's. so but poor archy had become so

overstressed in being at his side through all of these stocks all over america that he came down with this series of stress induced illnesses. as you see him in the next picture, you won't even recognize some. lost over 20 pounds. taft, you can see, remembered as america's faddist protestant -- president. be imagined in those days, daily walks. secretary of state. this is the one secret servicemen. that is all that accompany the president in those days. that's all i'm going to say vesica servicemen at the moment. this, of course, is a shot on the titanic taken by frances brown. the photograph, there are very

few photographs actually taken on the titanic. so as frank is waiting paillette satanic to arrive, he had taken the six hour train trip from the guard tent and paris to become on his second stop, had boarded. was planning to dine with them and was rooting for the septic across. here he is talking with two other men. we don't know who they are. this very famous photograph. i got a very good printed it. great expense home. you can clearly see that he has gained some weight. looks to me like he is wearing his military uniform. he loves to wear uniforms. he is with two men. this one man is looking back at

the camera. we don't know who they are. but it certainly looks to me like they're looking at a book or looking at something. could be a passenger list. it could be anything. i wonder if this could possibly be george and harry whitener and that harry wagner is showing archie the famous copy. as you well know, a book collector. his memory for his book collection. i'd like to think. pure fancy, but perhaps he certainly knew george and harry. maybe they are looking at the famous coffee -- copy. just a little bit of fancy on my part. at any rate argie wrote these letters almost every day. first his mother, and when she died his sister-in-law and intended them to be published. he knew he was writing for posterity as a diary of his white house years and his life

in washington. they are just an amazing reid. he is a billion direst. wait and cleverness and sarcasm. a delight to read. so i thought, mom, i to do a dual biography. i have researched them both. then i thought, well, it is the titanic, stupid. we remember them because they were on the titanic. so why not use them as your protagonists and at other interesting characters as well. most books about the titanic, it's in the foreground. all about did the rivets pop and with compartments were breached and all of that and lots of theories. anton now there had not been quite so much about the people. and everyone said, well, perfect microcosm of the gilded age. i thought, well, let's move the people into the foreground and really talk about it as a microcosm. so i remembered a picture that i had seen in working on his book,

a great goddess lying on the ocean floor. and it was one of the most striking things that were seen on the ocean floor. and, of course, it had been misidentified by titanic historians. but, oh, no, that's wrong. it was a statuette. there he is. i took the picture. we spent days and days and days in the basement of the deep submergence lab spilling through miles of footage. we found anything exciting. but ken said this is -- it is the lounge, a statuette of the artemis' ever sigh, and it was all gilded, of course. it was made of a cheaper alloy, but instead on the marble fireplace in the lounge, which was, perhaps the most glamorous woman on board and where people played cards and took tea and wrote letters and had little

library. it was a sort of social center of the ship. of course when the ship sank it had fallen over and fall into the ocean floor two and a half miles below. it was one skill did. on the ocean floor. all water. organisms that have eaten away to leave just the cheaper alloy underneath. i thought, that's a great way to begin the book. what better emblem of the gilded age to we have then the gilded statue and then to be a little bit different, most stock in the southampton's, but a fun talking about the glamorous and interesting people, you know, microcosm, they had been on the continent for the season or for various reasons. the season was ending. time to go to newport or the birds are somewhere like that. so they are returning home after to many nights and too many

grand hotels. so the train after six hours pulled right out of the pier behind this crime bill station because the titanic and her sister ellen the court to big to dock. and, of course, when they arrive they discover the titanic is going to be late. and the reason for that, of course, is that on leaving the titanic was so huge that water displacement has caused two other liners to snap their steel moorings. one smaller liner, the new york, swung out and almost collided with the titanic. it was a very dramatic moment. people said, oh, very bad omen and all of that. correct part -- quick work by the pilot, reversing propellers and so on, caused it to slide by the new york just by inches. by the time they get everything straightened out and the other ship stowed away the titanic was

well delayed which was why it was late arriving. also waiting was the wealthiest passengers, one of the world's wealthiest man, john jacob astor, his teenage bride madelin, their party, and is made, the maid, a chauffeur, a violent. and the kitty. every one even knew the name from the fact that their pictures had been in the newspapers all over the newspapers the summer before because the fact that 47 year old john jacob astor wants to marry than the 17 year old madeline fourth, causing an enormous gamble. no minister would marry them. that these papers feasted on the details every day until he finally found somebody who would marry them at his newport college. and they had received a pretty cool reception. so had gone abroad in january and are now coming home on the titanic several months pregnant.

also waiting was this woman, this deal, one of the world's most elegant women. in fact, one of the world's sickest woman. she had coined the word sheik for stylish. you know, there were no other successful females at the time. shell did not happen until the twenties. lucille was the first. she did this to necessity. she was at one. a divorcee with no money. began selling clothes out of desperation. she had then married a scottish baron. and sir cosmo was on board. new york, they needed larger premises. she was having trouble with police. he had come along. they had just taken the quickest boats, the nearest boat that they could book, and that happened to be the titanic. this is one of the fashion shows at her london.

as a woman she knew what woman liked. she taught why should just women looked at max dummies. how about putting a stage. then she grinned these working-class girls and give them fancy names and made them into stars in their own right. put on these shows, orchestras and everything else. chicago and her performances. the newspapers dubbed the lady duff and her staff. they were the world's first fashion shows. lucille invented the world's first fashion shows, and she also and hanover square headquarters and a room called the rose room. and it was kind of victorian victoria's secret. she's sort lingerie and sexy underwear and made it respectable for nice women to wear not the knickers. because your flannel or you were unless you were records on our something scandalous. she made it respectable and made

a lot of money doing it. she also championed the tea gown. the tea gown was the most emblematic of all the daugherty and downs. there were one at teatime, traditionally a time of day when men visited their mistresses. so they were designed with of course it's. of lets you figure out the rest. didn't have to make difficult buttons and things to fuss with. and this is a label from lucille's salon in paris which she just opened up but eight months before she boarded the titanic. of course the french fashion world have had their noses about a mile in the air at the notion of not just an english person, but an english woman daring to tackle the capital of world fashion, daring to open up in paris. there were all prepared for to fail miserably, but she stunned the mall. even french vote had to say, why we are not used to anything good

coming out of england to. we are sure that the remarkable innovations will be copied by every the tour here. and i always think, what a remarkable success that was, particularly for a girl who was once known as just plain lucy sutherland who grew up in this house around the corner from where i grew up in what was then that the back woods ontario village of wealth ontario. and the house still stands. i used to walk by it every day. house was not quite as grand, but i was never in it until two weeks ago when the new owners gave me a toward. they have restored it lovingly to the way it was. and it was in this house, and this really provincial town that this deal, this is her on the left, her sister, eleanor

representative. they had a wedding here with a cousin in the middle. and, of course; i grew up to become the scandalous elena glenn, the world-famous novelist whose novel three weeks was the first book to be banned in boston, and it is where the term banned in boston comes from. and you see eleanor here with a tiger skin posing on a tiger skin. the key seductions gain takes place on the tigers' game. and it spurred a bit. doctor for the rest of her life. would you like to send with elemental and on a tiger skin. would you prefer to err with her on some other fur. so these two girls the kind of rock the victorian world. the one invented sexy underwear. the other one in the to the bodice. they never looked back once they got out. but back when they're growing up

, this is a father, the grandfather, i should say, our father had died. her grandfather was the first magistrate of wellington county, the county i grew up in. a formidable grandmother who racer who had been raised in a french convent and had french relatives. once a year the grandfather would set up the wagon and go down the hill to the depot here in what she called dirty little of. and pick up a huge pair of. and take it back to the house. the girls would shiver with anticipation because this was called the welcome barrel. it was last year's fashions sent by their french relatives. so, quite often. out would come so dresses with hats and weeks and gloves. bolts of fabric that this deal would get to use the scraps from for doll's clothes. so just think to mullen of paris is at her feet, you know, 1911,

what a sweet triumph that was from a girl from the backwoods to have a barrel of old clothes from france, the biggest thrill of for childhood. here she is, not on the titanic, on another liner a few years later. his signature black with his signature parole hearings. quite a formidable woman. so by 530, still the titanic had not been seen on the horizon. they decide to board the nomadic anyway. the traffic, first class passengers and had that into the harbor and with the titanic there. several passages describe the scene of the nomadic, including this woman, margaret tobin brown who was about to begin a voyage that would, of course dammar her a place and legend as the unsinkable molly brown, which she was never called her lifetime, and she was never known and her life as molly. it was a label put on her by a denver writer who had a very

fanciful biography after her death. she wrote an account of what it was like. the cold gray atmosphere. i found a whole chapter of looking at this microcosm of the microcosm on board the nomadic as the way for the titanic to arrive. but, of course, it arrives, you know, as the sun was going down. the wonderful painting alongside today it is the only way starships still in existence. you have all seen shots of that beautiful new museum that opened. well, the nomadic has been restored right beside it. i was on board it when it was a restaurant boat near the eiffel tower. i went on board, the top level has been transformed into one of those japanese restaurants where the devil lives, you know. it was totally ruined. so disappointed. i thought, well, maybe they have a washer and. i went downstairs and there was the lounge with white paneling and garland on the wall, just the way that it was. so that part had not changed. i'm longing to see it.

so any rate, by the time they got on board people were already at dinner. the late arriving passengers, it must have seemed like there were latecomers to a party. frank joined the third companion at dinner that night. and then the next morning francis brown, the man he took some any photographs, they get candidate for the priesthood was up early, getting off in queenstown, the third stop in ireland. he was anxious to record everything he could. he took a picture of the titanic's first sunrise over the irish sea. and at that time before and after breakfast the passengers were busily writing letters because male had to be dropped at queenstown which is near ports. people always say, well, how could they sent letters? well, they dropped them when they anchored. and in the archives i discovered

his last letter, the letter he sent to that morning from the titanic. that is a very revealing letter. i spend a whole chapter parsing it. he is writing to his friend, alfred parsons, another artist and famous garden designer who was a neighbor of his in broadway. there were part of the original broadway colony. he describes the titanic. he talks about the ostentatious, obnoxious americans. he is an american himself. obnoxious lives leading their husbands around. and it is very revealing of a lot of things. very fascinating rhetoric. but also he writes about the people. he probably does not mean clear in the modern sense among the that he says, but there seems to be a lot of our people as well. so i speculate. if he is talking about our people because pretty evident that he had a date passed, who might they be and where they're

gay people on the titanic? so i have a chapter about that, but ironically as he is writing about the career lot of people, the man who had quite unintentionally also writing his last letter. the most famous journalists in the world. the man who really invented investigative journalism at. one of his last lotus, he was also scribbling away to meet the deadline, he describes the titanic as the most splendid, monstrous loading babylon. now, everybody at the time knew what babylon and, a biblical reference to a city of san and wickedness. so whatever he meant by the titanic being simple and wicked, we don't know, but it also invokes the most famous campaign in 1885, and support of reforming the criminal law amendment acts to raise the age of consent to add to get rid of

under age prostitution, which was epidemic in london. there were millions and millions of prostitutes. he set out of a journalistic campaign that he called the maid contribute of modern babylon. he hired salvation army grows to pose as prostitutes. he bought a growth of 13 for 5 pounds to prove that it could be done. went to prison eventually for doing so, even though -- anyway, when the may contribute article that the london streets wh smith, the biggest news stand distributor refused to carry them. said the articles were pornographic. there were riots in the streets as people grabbed copies of the paper that had never seen such frank sexual content in print ever. caused a sensation. it costs huge outrage. so, before you know what, the criminal law amendment is rocketing its way through

parliament nicknamed bedsteads law. and it's about to be signed. one problem, shouldn't we do the same for men who have sex with men? oh, what? could idea. put it in the law. criminalize to homosexuality in england until 1957. never intended this. ten years later his loss and oscar wilde to prison for two years and let his early death because of the cruelty of hard labor. one of the defenders. he said if everyone is guilty there would be a surprising exit this from winchester, the most elite boarding school. so he met oscar before he died and said i hope you understood that i was never one of his assailants. again, one thing leads to

another. at any rate, all on the titanic. the first-aid. the titanic had stopped and then headed out across the open sea. and everyone is having a wonderful time. the orchestra plays. the ship is splendid. a wonderful time being -- on ice in the sea lanes at april is not at all unusual. the practice is to sell at full speed until it was cited in the initiate a ground it. wonderful meals in the dining saloon and also the restaurants nicknamed the reds restaurants. another person from my neck of the woods, he grew up in a town to not far from where i grew up. he joined the british army and had no money. became a steward on a canard and this is his first voyage and the white star. without knowing it, but distant cousin upon the deck.

so upstairs downstairs' titanic story. some went decided to make the turkish bath one of the showcase amenities. people thought that you could actually lose weight and a turkish bath. one of the popular things you did, a machine that you sat on and it pointed out a ticket of your way to. so if you have lost 5 pounds from sitting in the turkish bath you would then go back for another 11 course meal in the dining saloon. perhaps you follow with a dip in the saltwater swimming bath which was a real novelty on this ship. and then they hit it, just so you know. tanks on the book that heated the salt water so that it was not freezing cold when you went for your dip. so by sunday everybody had relaxed into a great sense of contentment looking for to being in new york on wednesday. one of the big excitements was

the betting pool. i think the only book that explains how the betting pool on the ship actually worked. that was a bit of excitement. posted the time. it was doing better than the sister ship. there was hope that it would beat the made the crossing record. not the fastest ships on the see that people think, not trying to set a speed record. much faster ships, but there is evidence that they were trying to beat the record of the olympic. so sunday night, of course, the famous dinner party took place toasted pine alomar. here she is in her famous pearls. insured for a quarter of a million dollars which in those days was real money. she had invited to archy no doubt to regale with stories of the white house for which he was famous. some of their philadelphia

friends. he was the vp of the pennsylvania railroad. his wife was a celebrated beauty. she was also a little bit troubled. leading treatment for nerves. errors in those days, being nervous meant that you had some mental issues. but according to a letter that the reproduced in the book, the completely bonded. she describes later it was as if they had met in a past life. never before had two people come into such contact. just like his mother. he poured his heart out. archy was still very nervous and troubled, fearful of the coming election campaign and that he would have the stamina to go through with the. a very momentous dinner. and, of course, everyone testified later that he left the table about 845. that agreed with his testimony because it came on the bridge at

about that time. they looked through the binoculars. they cite the ice. smith ordered that the bridge be darkened so that the look of to see better. he said, if anything is in the slightest doubt do let me know. the remark that it was a pity this he was so called because there would be no waves and there was no moon reflecting. but still, there were going at the fastest speed they have gone and then, of course, as you know famously will look out in the crow's nest sublease cited a huge dark shape of the head, rang the bell. as part right ahead. first officer murdoch had seen it. charging in and gave the command to turn the wheel. saw the ship turned slowly. and they actually passed the iceberg in the that they're going to miss it, but then there was a grinding jar with skill of

course, was the titanics fatal blow. if it had hit it straight on people speculated might have survived. by scraping along beside it managed to breached more than four compartments. the first four compartments were seal than watertight. beyond that there were not. the first men to realize it with the stock is down in boyle from six to get a blast of water. divided into 16 departments. beyond the first four, the center of the ship, the bulkheads only went up to the bottom decking. many say that the captain paul andrews, but it seems clear that he was already down below finding of what had happened. he saw male floating and knew that this was very serious. he told the captain the ship has an hour to an hour-and-a-half. it actually get two hours and 40 minutes were largely due to the

efforts of the heroic stokers and engineers who stayed down below and sunburn to keep the ship from sinking more quickly than it actually did. so the order for left belts and lifeboats was given after midnight. people going up the grand staircase. of course a round the corner, a big house on jarvis street him. north of the city. he ran into another canadian, one of a bachelor of a trio. the three musketeers. the order is for life boats. well, you tell him, another member of this trio. came down but dysentery in egypt

and. he said, well, it will take more than an iceberg to give me of my bed here. that was the last that was heard it was an hour after the first sighting before the first coke was lowered. .. that they sold the sloping deck, people on lifeboats and how

serious this was. before long they began firing rockets as the ship was down command of course they get seen only one thing and people said they wouldn't be firing rockets if it wasn't serious but then they hear the band playing, listen to the orchestra playing and the tunes were drifting across the deck, so it didn't seem all that serious. as you know there was a ship nearby. it had shot down an ice and the men on watch tried to board the titanic and had been told to keep out and shut out a city gone to bed. the captain was told that they were firing of the white flares and said the signal it's a very long story i won't get into all

but be that as it may they never came to the rescue and there may have been more, there may have been as many as 20 but they didn't come to the rescue. everybody knew the ship was sinking of and they went off rising out of the water some men are still not panic. henry was seen taking off his socks and shoes and felt he could swim for it and so did charles from winnipeg, captain of the hockey team at his school and his sister had visions of her brother and the water and those people who are believed to have some foreign to me of a vigorous exercise daily exercise only increases the effect of hyperthermia few actually buy

more quickly into the water went crashing through the dome over the grand staircase the titanic as we know broke into a trend of third and fourth and there's exaggerations' and this debrief field has shown us even more about the sinking which i won't go into but 28 men ended up swimming to this overturned lifeboat collapsible among them the senior surviving officer and of course archibald gracie the road one of the best accounts of the titanic and applied less than a year after the disaster. one of the heroes is arthur which as many miles away from our in california, but he

responded when he got the message and was just about to go to bed but still had his headphones on when he got the message and he raced into action and set up hospitals on board and made drinks and did everything to get ready and raced through the night with lookouts posted all around the power of the ship dodging icebergs, got to the site to see 18 lifeboats bobbing on this well. the sealed the concordance described it as a ship of sorrow since almost everybody lost someone on the ship and it's clear that many of the people were suffering from what we call ptsd. but lucille didn't help her case or anyone else very much. she decided it would be nice to have a reunion of her life boat. she'd been on the lifeboat that could have killed 40 but only held 12th. she wanted to pose for a picture

and signed a life filled as a souvenir, and in the lifeboat her husband promised each of the men to replace the jester and the hand of promissory notes to these men and a leader became the biggest scandal in england following the titanic because the newspapers reported that the millionaires, the lord and lady is both had arranged for their own private boat haven't rescued any of a drowning and a bribe to the crewmen to keep quiet about it and the newspapers were filled with the story and 40,000 people were in lower manhattan waiting for the arrival of the ship with only 712 survivors from the 22, more than 2200 who had been on board. when lucille and her husband got back she described the train station when they stepped off of the titania every kiosk at a

billboard saying read about the titanic. a row away from drowning and a ruined her husband's life. they voluntarily agreed to appear before the british agree to try to clear their name and they were exonerated, but as she said a great deal stuck to the vote and she said i didn't mind for myself. she claimed that it actually helped her business, the notoriety but poor cosmo was ruined for life. the ships from halifax for steaming, 330 bodies were recovered and 119 were buried at the sea. it ships came in to halifax and on a horse drawn horses pulled up the bodies to the converted which became a temporary morgue. 150 people who were put on the ship's home still white today in

halifax. the most moving grave is that to the unknown child which always has floors and balloons and toys and things on it. recently updated testing and found that this was a 19 month old baby found floating at the site and the men actually paid for the burial and for the head stone to be erected and we found out who he was the vv was 19 months old, leslie goodman of this family all family, seven of whom, died in the first-class in niagara falls. none of them survived but the family but the relations to the good wins came to the re-dedication of the monument in halifax we don't need to put his name on the monument and in the recently also given to the halifax museum of the atlantic

were sidney good when's beebee she's a policeman had actually taken them and donated them to the museum but they're a very poignant memento they reminded me of the lowest .1 that i have been doing the research at thus of merchant. every bit of metal was enthralling to him we have to have pictures for the book. no, no, no. so we did this endlessly and then one day when i just about had it we can across this picture and others like to, shoes lining clearly where the bodies were under water organisms had eaten the bones and the bodies so this is a very clear sign of the titanic was indeed a gravesite and recently

i was visiting my mother and that scene, where lucey grew up. we drove to fergus, a town north end of the grief of thompson and found a plaque on the family grave. she was one of the last bodies found. he was in another submerge lifeboat with two of the crewmen still wearing his evening clothes and lifejackets. it was a month after the titanic had sunk the the boat was recovered from the oceanic and he was buried at the sea the family put a plaque on his grief. i also visited friend in bridgewater where he was buried yet he has stolen from broadway. in the village and in washington they erecting a monument she was

so moved by hartel outside of the white house they erected this fountain in memory of archie and frank and in the village of broadway there is a gate for the memory of frank with an inscription in flatten about his death on the titanic so this past weekend we are told reminded of the scale of the tragedy of the titanic. this is what 1500 people look like that's how many people die on that might just over a century ago and when he wrote we of the book ready and he delivered his introduction for the book that discovered the titanic i asked what is the meaning of the titanic and he said it takes the pattern of tragedy in our own lives from initial everything is fine to then growing awareness that something is wrong to deny all. things can't be wrong to the final horrified coming and we

all go through this and see it reenacted on the titanic over and over again always in slow motion. so it is this connection with tragedy that fascinates and internals thus i think in part about the titanic story. thank you very much for your attention. [applause] i realize i have gone way over my time. as long as nobody is jockeying to flee and we will still get the books but if you have any questions -- yes. >> role of the passengers immigrants or were there also non-immigrant samford class and is it true that most of the 1500 who died with third class passengers that [inaudible]

>> there were far more fair class passengers died but they were men from all class's but that's part of their reason that gordon set off a class war in england and class antagonism was running very high because of so many more third class passengers the white per capita. i have the number in the book with the ratios are and i sure you've seen them in newspapers the last few weeks. the gate between feared class c and d of their class is for closed for much of the night. they were eventually opened. they were open to let their class women upon the deck and then eventually they were opened for third class men as well, so indeed there is truth to the fact the old song says the kept them down below where they were the first to go. and there is indeed true to that the story is more leisure and

nuanced. furred passengers when they arrived in new york they were kept at ellis island and then there's evidence that third class had more disease so it was a part of a quarantine process. but yes, first-class suffered much more than any of the other classis. >> the statue in washington across the street from the white house. >> it's right outside the south lawn and it used to be erode way. first of all it was a blatant in the book i have a picture of it in 1913, but then now has barriers because of 9/11 so it's surrounded the walkway you can go and look and see michele obama's vegetable gardens of people walk by coming and it

says nothing about titanic. and nobody knows who archibald and frank were, so the park rangers horses drink and fountain and other than that nobody knows. >> the man was so busy transmitting cables that he didn't receive or read the news of the icebergs. >> receiving messages every day and many of them proposed to the bridge and the second officer is the only person whose testimony we have to go on, but he tells that the last message from california wasn't posted on the bridge. we only have his words. to go on that, we don't know for sure but there is certainly the story that when the californians gave up the message that they were stopped and talked a set

keep out he just made contact with newfoundland from wireless and he had all kind of passenger messages. the lawyer was room at the time was owned by the marconi company that invented wireless and wasn't part of the navigation. they were supposed to transmit messages to the bridges and they mostly did but that key message they were just about to enter never got to the bridge. >> on the university to our the library dedicated and the stipulation as to the university pravachol a brick can never be moved and they teach swimming to all the freshmen. >> i heard this story.

and i don't know, i frank -- >> the bus that i showed you of frank miller that's in the library as well. >> was even before 9/11 the saw people going in. i enjoyed your speech. >> i said a formidable? >> [inaudible] >> we have different pronunciations. >> this is absolutely my favorite book called a refunding read. absolutely fascinating. i want to get an idea of what kind of material you've researched and went through in order to recreate the entire conversations on the account of the dinner party etc. which really broke the story home and secondly with your detailed

knowledge of the characters on board the prototype for the character. >> people say between the third class affair between the third class and first-class. >> there was quite a number of independent minded women on the titanic. churchill was quite too old to be rosebud she had a romance with a very handsome sculpture test. she was in her 50s and he was in his 40's so they are not quite as dramatic. they have a ship romance and she later wrote about it in a very romantic way so there were indeed a number of ship romances. there was an english suffrage who'd taken part in the

demonstrations with the famous suffrage leader in england. so collectively you could come up with a sort of independent minded woman on the titanic. no one precisely like that and the likelihood of a boy from third class having an affair is highly -- as i would say, it is a movie. without the romance, would you all have gone? no. >> recently one of the smoke stacks that collapsed but someone had gone out to the top where there was a lifeboat and there were a couple of lifeboats in that area. >> they were trying to free them. that's correct. >> perhaps that is one of the reasons why the smoke stack filled when it did. >> i don't think there's any evidence that they could ever have cut those.

they did hang on to them and i believe they were trying to. the overturned boat was one of the two that were stored upside-down on the roof they were desperately trying to cut the lashing, but i've never heard that they've done anything to say, nor could they have when the ship broke of course the final did fall and it did fall on people in the water and not john jacob astor who had often been claimed. anyone else? >> on the disaster were cameramen's titanic. summit to give james cameron his view, i think the way the ship

looks is astonishing. she's recreated the look of the ship i think's i've not seen the three d version but certainly the way the ship looks and the way the rooms look he etkin, the ultimate stickler. they are in the lord's version as a lampre-fondital mentor remember black and white is more documentary. there's beautiful cinematography and input to remember and when i looked at it again recently i saw james cameron had indicated some of the actual scenes in and night to remember as a in a large. comparing the two which is more accurate i suppose in mind to remember is more as a documentary style that doesn't have quite the invented characters. night to remember is intended to

be a genuine character to do so i guess in terms of accuracy, the more accurate of the to list each have their merits i have a soft spot for the movie and it just interested so many people in the titanic that i'm willing to forgive. i know julian who made the tv miniseries with lee and basing cameron for his lack of accuracy because i thought it was so bad. so it was filled with inaccuracies. so how he had been inaccurate, i don't know. >> 1953. it's hilarious and this gives everybody standing on board like a welch choir singing at the top of their lungs.

>> i told the story alford rush was the boy that became 16 on april 14th, got his long pants and said chaim amana so he didn't go with frankie goldsmith and his mother even though they got into the collapsible seat they got him later. >> he is a person of interest. >> sure. well i had to limit it. [laughter] >> but, i mean, people see that he made his seascape. he is called is made by the papers and he did step in to the code sidey keen the captain of the disaster. to me she's a hard man to like. he wasn't a very likable person and there's testimony that he

was urging the captain to go faster and get there ahead of the record. he was quoted as saying we will get to new york on tuesday and the testimony by a passenger that overheard this. so, there's evidence that certainly she is onboard and encourages the ship to go faster >> his wife said the titanic ruined his life but lucey said the same thing about his husband and was forced eight coated. i have some sympathy for kosko, not quite as much per bruce but we all have our favorites. yes. >> i love your presentation and delivery. thank you. my question is are there any recordings of men of remorse or good deed who may have felt

guilty because they didn't leave enough room in the vote or shouldn't have the state. were there any story -- >> yes, there was a huge number more than average number of suicide among the survivors although not all of the suicides seemed to have anything to do with the titanic. but there was a lot of ptsd to a archibald, the man i mentioned that wrote one of the better accounts called the truth about the titanic died before it was published in 1913, and according to his wife, she would call out in his sleep get them all into the vote, and that is a very dramatic story and there are certainly others. the tragedy that happened after birds they had only one son and he was killed in a car accident

after they all survived the titanic. the family of montreal, the family, the nurse took the baby and the family believes that she never told the mother because the mother ran around with her 2-year-old daughter looking for the vv and wendi realized he had gone, the lifeboats had gone and the whole family died we found a doll sit on the ocean floor. the doll with only belong to a very wealthy grow and the only to die was first defeat could 20 loranne so we speculate could have belonged to her? it was raised by the aunt and uncle and died at the age of 17 as a student. the ironies and the tragedies.

a guy named andrew wilson has written quite a good book called shadow of the titanic. he goes into more detail of what happens after. it's all about the afterlife is of some of the people and i didn't even talk about dorothy gibson the prettiest girl on board of those, she had an incredible career after the titanic historians coming and i have friends here people the study passenger lists say they've never found a passenger list quite like the titanic. any ship, the mauritania would have had a similar group of interesting people that travel by line or people who study these things tell me they've never found a passenger list quite the equal of titanic. one passenger said it was i think a collection of beautiful women and then.

lucey gordon said it was a small world on pleasure. all of these coincidences and the gathering of people that happened. we don't believe in premonition or any of that coming and yet all of these jury curious things came together on the night 100 years ago and i think this fascinating. >> did anything happen to the captain of the california in action in helping? >> he was censured by the british inquiry coming and i think the only person who was and he lost his post with the line that he worked for, and he ended up falling ash or chemicals or something in small ships and then walter came out and became a tory is all over again and down to the huge campaign to restore the reputation and his son tried to do so after but he died in 61 or

62. today there's a whole band of titanic buffs who defended captain lord to say anything you will get nasty letters, so i didn't go to the controversy too much of the book because i didn't want to deal with all of the crazies for one thing and it wasn't my brief, that isn't what i was about and there were countless books written on both sides of the california controversy people defend him and made a scapegoat and i don't think you can get around the fact that he never woke up the radio operator to find out what was going on. she was half asleep but he didn't want to move and so forth don't stick them on me.

>> are there ways to tell how you prepare those items? >> i have no financial interest anymore but the titanic has menus and recipes created and people do have dinner and i can tell you needless to say it was a very good but i challenge you to try to eat all 11 courses on the last night. for the restaurant for the dinner that was served at the dinner party in the restaurant in that book we had to stimulate because we didn't know. there was no menu from that they cause passenger remembered they had quail from egypt and what else, i forget. but she mentioned with the eight that might so created a menu from that and i also know the food was inspired in the

traditional has the power of cleanser, the whole procedure, so we followed the protocol. but i think you can get the book on amazon. >> [inaudible] [laughter] >> i don't remember that. we don't have menus for every day of course. some of these were actually found on the bodies of people coming in some were shoved into people's coat pockets on the night. but yeah, you can buy that book and it has and what special history for instance third class had their main meal in the midday and in the evening they got a in english tea with some

stew and that sort of thing so their main meal was lunch time and then the had t yet 4 o'clock so that was one of the class differences evidenced by the food. yes. >> people could say look all clamorous the ship is. how can you fool the public if there is no smoke coming out and of the of the earth revolved people figure out is take? >> the smoke kind of went backwards, but why should somebody right to "the new york times" of canada after my book was reviewed how could she not know that the final was a dummy and on his book in that illustration he had a final with steam coming out of it is surely

everybody knows so i was very tempted to write i'm not such a dummy. i wrote say 93 supply is our correspondent didn't recognize willie's famous 1912 illustration used for its charm, period of charm and a merger, and not for its historical inaccuracy. the first funnel, my friend come is not such a dummy, nor am i, as i like saying. you know, it was used for the kitchens, the turbine engine rooms and the hospital, and all the funnel's had pipes running at the side which steam was invented and if they were shut down on the last night, steam was seen the shooting of from all of the funnels including the last so it was designed as to seem like the miners that were

more bigger and grander and so forth, but the final was put to good use and it wasn't a complete dummy, nor in my. >> welcome i think -- are we out of time? it's lovely to have all of you but maybe if you want to gather around the table -- you don't have to buy a book but i will be signing them and answer more questions and chat with you all. if you have complement's on all the years. thank you. [applause]

i want to reva but i think is one of the more moving passages and as you describe what's happening before the cameras rolling. so this is what you've described. deutsch said that wasn't their intent, and that was made brutally clear to me when one of the officers kicked me with his boot in sight of my face smashing my jaw it felt like someone had taken a baseball bat to my head before i could register that unbearable pain of the other officers slapped me with his baton i heard a crack and i was surprised when that happened that i immediately pleaded with one of the arresting officers but at that point had become the kind

guardian angel at least in your mind someone who was different from the rest. - that this was going to sound -- i know this is going to some kind of strange but up until that point i felt safe with her at the scene, sort of a maternal presence that wouldn't allow things to get out of control. i shouted out to hurt the don't have to do this. tell them they don't have to do this. >> i shouldn't have been drinking and driving but i had a job to do to that monday and pave the way more money than i was making from dodger stadium so they called me and told me to be ready to go to work monday so when i heard that i went and got a few beers and went over to my friend's house and let them know i was great to be going to work. i didn't know how he was going

to about that. a little angry but it was all good. i didn't want to be stuck in the same community where we were at where we grew up that, a couple of us and so we started out over there and started chasing me in the car. the only thing i could think about was that job. i've got to make it to my job on monday. i start work on monday. i knew i'd been drinking. i've got to get away. >> you know when you come out of prison and try to do the rou knf prison and try to do the right thing and then all of a sudden you know that your whole world was about to stop that's the only thing i could think of

putting it any way i lost the highway patrol cars and what happened was the helicopter was up there and my goodness -- >> but you did a thing for a minute he might outrun. weren't you in the hyundai? >> yes, hyundai xl. [laughter] >> i was pushing a hyundai at the time and it was an xl gl. it had a thick hatchback and used to drive from philadelphia to chicago from college and home in the allegheny mountains and wouldn't get past 55. so you would think --

>> to my surprise they caught up with me and when they caught up with me i had seen them pulled on the side of me and said -- pullover. and my heart just started going so i had to think fast. i said i already know a beating is coming after this chased it is just how it goes. that's what goes over the years. so i was looking for a lifting area to stop and when i chose to stop there was apartment buildings but there was nobody out. i said i'm coming to go and maybe somebody will come outsider something and sure enough it went bad. so he ordered me out of the car. they were a husband and wife team. the highway patrol, the initial ones on the case.

so she came over to me. they ordered me out of the car and opened the car to lay down, face down. she came over to me and got my wallace so she could get my i.t. triet they run to the trunk and poppet fast and one is getting his baton out of the car running towards me. i said hey i'm laying on the floor, face down. tell them they don't have to do this. i already know what's going to happen. so when she walked away the kicked me in the temple and broke my jaw and asked how do you feel? everything was broken at that point and the only thing i could

do was not let him know he got the best of the which he did. jaw broken, blood coming out. i feel fine. so i laid down there. the sergeant comes up and teaser to me right away. he's letting me have and i can feel the blood coming out and then he asks me how do you feel now? , brian. when he said we are going to kill you, ron. i'm going to run. i hesitated for a second, stayed on the ground looking for clearance at that point to the buying still on the ground looking for clearance and when i see the clearance between the hyundai and the police. so what i do is i get up to go run but when the slide and in

front of me i didn't know it was broke so it fell down. when i fell down it looked like, it looked like i was going after him because my hands went like this but i was trying to get my hands in front of me. >> the video wasn't running by that point. >> that's when the video had been running media about 15 -- >> it's caught that. what it didn't catch was the juice running 50,000. he did that in like three shots and discharge of three shots but while he is teasing me the guy is beating me with a baton telling me stay still.

but electricity hit me at the same time, so i'm like while, i'm feeling like they did when i almost burned up the house when i was a kid caught on fighter and ran out. take a bath and dry off. he had an extension cord waiting for me. that same hoping somehow felt like it prepared me for that night with the taser because the fixed extension cord shock is the same, it's a horrible feeling, and so when i felt that it was 20 times worse than the extension cord and she was running a taser saying stay still. so when he stopped the taser of course i'm regrouping myself to see if i am still there and i'm trying to stay still but i

can't. so he starts beating me some more. he's moving comegys moving. i can hear him calling me names. you fing n. they are really into it calling me these names. so at this point i'm like a man. >> you have a moment that you described in the book where -- and i want the audience to hear you describe it where you insert yourself into the long history of black people experiences in the united states and you may specific references. >> i'm going to tell you what gave me a lot of strength also that night was knowing that blacks before me went through this and up to this day i said

to myself and was just moments this is what people went through back in the days when they don't catch them and they don't get caught. but i said i have to survive this for my brothers and sisters stay alive. you don't have time to think about that but you already know because you're being beaten by people who are a lot of your color i cannot dhaka of your, i cannot let you. lilly ledbetter recounts her 19 year career as a goodyear tire and her decision to file a sex discrimination suit against the company in 1998 over an equal pay and recalls the supreme