what i decided to do was really look very close to the two years in who he thinks he is and what his effort are. >> watch this and other programs online at

>> you could see the wheels of his mind and were grinding broke he was trying to figure out how to ask me

about the book without being insulting. [laughter] he said what is your response to that? [laughter] what i have found is i love talking to children. they are so clear minded. i explained the title. it came from a child asking her tutor outcome it it you are trying to teach me how to multiplied? black people add and subtract.

white people multiplied. that has stayed with me. i asked avery did he find in his integrated school that people have that attitude about black children that they do not learn as much? he said although he is at the top of his class in mathematics, he said yes. a lot of times kids act silly so people think they don't know how to do anything. that struck a chord.

all the class is i have been in, if kids don't know something. the first response is to hide which is the kid in the classroom to pull the hood over his head and the other is to act out. then you can prevent would never makes you look dogma from occurring. the that is a good explanation to reaffirm for me that our kids see the things that i saw. that is a major part of the

book a few live in los angeles comment you don't tried to breed the smog, there is no intention but you do. it you live in the united states of america. you breeze races them. remain not want to or be aware of it. we breed then the toxic fumes of negative stereotyping certain children. i have been asked about

african-americans since my previous work is multi-cultural. i have one. [laughter] in the acknowledgments she believes she has taught me everything i know. [laughter] but also because this is the conversation that has never held. we talk about the chief gaap -- achievement gap that you are afflicted by that people tried to address this but nobody talks about the fact black-tie old and black

education is not just a dumb white child. there are issues that affect african-american children that do not affect other people. a averse since trayvon martin there was the poll recently conducted 85 percent of african-americans believe he was targeted for race. but only 41 percent of white americans believe that. 80% of black americans believe the death was racially motivated but only

35% of white americans believe that. for me, 60% of black people believe racism is a problem in the country. only 19 percent of white people do. i believe the man who pulled the trigger on trayvon martin killed him and should have a trial. bled to all of us who did not have that conversation with each other, we have to take a hard to of it. he was a child of all of us.

for us not to prepare our kids. for a number of reasons i am concerned for those that are young and what we owed them because we are in the crowd. if we don't find a way to talk about it, then we will have more instances of slapping in the face without realizing why. i will stop talking now and i like to hear your

questions or what to you have to talk about. >> please step up to a microphone. ask your question briefly. >> my question hasted with parenting. if parents read to their children that is the best preparation a child can have with school because of the school will teach them how to apply and the child will respect reading. a couple of kids and got on the subway they came to the

back of the trade and pull out to a newspaper and took out the sports. >> would be like me to comment? >> i will start to with a little story. my friend drove me over here. hi a.m. of sports of phobic. i know nothing. i did not want to raise my child that way so i put to hurt in various parts. -- sports. talking about softball i took her to the softball

place the coach said you have to get out there and help your child to learn softball. [laughter] i said that is why i brought her to. [laughter] when we tell the parents what they are to do what home. many may be limited of their reading ability and say we cannot teach to a less you work with them at home than they feel like i did when the coach gave me the message. i think it is great but i

know many will not. so the question i ask of myself, if i know the parents are not reading to the children what can i do with the classroom? there are a lot of things. third grade children kn read to the kindergarteners. people in the community can come. i can't read my self-worth they can read to each other. we need to focus we can get depressed very fast if we focus on what we cannot change. i think we can have a better shot to provide the education that all children

need. >> i am a principal at the charter school in washington d.c.. given in the statistics about the trayvon martin case and on top of that the white people who are teaching black and brown children, what do you feel school committees can do to have the stomach racism if people want to appreciated or not that achievement gap is the residual effect of racism how do we of fact that in small communities? >> i have not had much of that chance to 99 and the university but when we teach

teachers, we need to bring in parents and people from the community to talk about education and what are the issues. one native alaskan teachers said in the villages she wants them to listen about the problems the kids are facing. another situation, men should not have been successful but we're from low socio-economic

backgrounds talk about what made them successful. inevitably they say it is when or more teachers that did it. with them to understand how strong the influence is and the difference they can make. we have to have a conversation sometimes if it is just in the school, you get this. is much easier to have a conversation if you bring in somebody from the outside to talk about the racism that the kids experienced in another school. [laughter] you can get the conversation. the reason why 19 percent of

americans i am sorry 81%. they have not had the opportunity to listen to people who have been affected by it. you cannot hear from your colleagues. [laughter] you have to bring in the neutral people. >> you willing to come to our school? [laughter] >> it is not be coming. they need to hear from their own community. that is a fascinating

interlude what she thought about those people. but it is much more powerful and easy to get the conversation going. >> good evening. i teach at the capital city public charter school is there one that requires more attention? >> i'd teach history. i am trying to be a -- objective for about the think math is the area to focus? >> ironic multiplication is in the title my mother was a

math teacher. i avoided it at all costs. [laughter] this is due to my own orientation they should find the chapters in the book. [laughter] i am kidding. [laughter] i was not part of the house to project. but critical literacy is extremely important and it connects with mathematics. i don't have the data in front of me but they do better than expected on algorithms with a number is

and fall extremely short is critical reasoning and thinking and estimation anybody that comes up with facts. that is critical literacy whether think gained about history but it is the whole idea you are a thinking be and you need to use your mind. oftentimes people the realize what they're doing in the classroom. one student and a videotaped a class and thought she had

a real conversation then she played it back she was talking. she would answer the questions herself. often we don't realize how much we feed and the kids and not allow them to do the thinking. >> good evening. middle school system principle is can you expand how african-american children are not born with the achievement gap? you said you are the

assistant principal. you look like you are and high-school. >> [laughter] at one point teachers looked younger now is the principles. [laughter] there is an achievement gap at birth but it goes the other direction. all research shows children of african descent are more highly skilled cognitive and motor skills the pediatrician and charts for

babies give the african-american child is right on the many it is possible to have developmental delays. looking at only african descent the chart will shift to the right much earlier than the white kids. the studies i quote in the book one it is africa 1940's with research on the effects of malnutrition. she found out the children

she was studying it uganda were so much more ahead and european children they were blowing off every chart from the european scale out of the water. also research in the 1990's and most recently a dissertation found the same thing. they tend to even out around three or four years old. bet once the kids get to school the trend reverses. nobody has studied that question. that is why the statement was there. >> ien at caesar chavez

public charter school talk about the pushing of veteran teachers and the influx talk a lot of minority teachers to be a long-term why wall option where most people don't stay in the same profession. >> tell me the question again. >> can you speak more where better in teachers are pushed out of the classroom with the influx of younger teachers. >> i talk about teach for america.

not because there are young people involved but my concern is the only make a two year commitment. the ones that stay are often excellent but my concern is the whole program fe are hiring teachers while pushing out better in teachers that is certain the after katrina all of the teachers were fired. that reduces the numbers of african-american teachers and increase the number of

white ones but many are leaving. i believe the most vulnerable population are those who need excellent veteran teachers. not to say on energy but a combination that will stay long enough to be excellent at the jobber research suggests it takes four years to become good at teaching and reach your potential. twos see young people make that commitment for more time and have an opportunity to work with excellent veteran teachers.

and i am not naive to believe they are the answer by themselves but there are some excellent ones we need to make sure we focus on. >> my name is anthony barker i am of plan that. from a family of educators. >> and they would be a great student if he would apply himself i think ibm at kid. i am stupid. they don't apply themselves are we you're not taught in this scenario education is built for children with the inability to sit still, what

firefox to bring education and to the children with their issue to learn better because they are kids and are not supposed to sit down? i don't want to say anything bad but it is difficult for children. >> yes. interesting question. if we went to a pediatrician they would focus on children. as educators it may be of good idea instead of just the curriculum. many people say i teach children. with the over identification decal is some the restricted

so much what this acceptable of what kids like to do sports and music to make it even harder. the response is to take away recess. that kid cannot sit still so we take away recess? that does not make sense. my child had the army of one has all of the issues any child could have. i was very aware we need to

rethink the notion everybody having to learn in the same way when you have the will publicity we'd need to make sure, in one classroom everybody was doing their work but for black boys were doing nothing. what is going on with them? that is they're learning style. [laughter] no, no, no. that is running around. so at the same time we have to be careful about everything we do is in the

name of academic achievement. >> i eight and the assistant principal at the charter middle school. how do we create a space where students can have conversations about race? i want to empower my students to facilitate the conversation to create a culture and the school. >> to the teachers converse about race? and it is a mixed group of teachers? are they add comfortable?

>> all of those stages firm relational trust. they may have been initially but as the year progresses is a safer place. >> yahoo! had the conversation with them how they would like to have a conversation about race with the kids? start their. people have worries about bringing up the issues. conversation is the best way to handle that. what ethnicity are the kids? >> [inaudible] >> let parents know what is going on.

i am sure you this but conversation and classified kids will tell their parents something they thought they heard that was not in a conversation. five people will be conversation and classified kids will tell their parents something they thought they heard that was not in a conversation. five people will be screaming at you as the assistant principal because they will disappear because it was your idea. [laughter] it sounds like a relatively small charter school. those conversations might be difficult about whatever it is you are having a conversation about. might start with the civil-rights movement and we

will ask parents to talk about their experiences zero or if it is about immigration and asking parents to come again and about their experiences. i ain't then you begin to create that environment to build the trust. >> elementary kids it is easier because they have the sense of fairness. the kindergarteners will tell you if they did it what

is not fair. [laughter] middle school gets more difficult because they bring in the society attitudes but involve being parents having them have a conversation and above that avery was reading as a sixth grader but other books could be interesting but use it as a book discussion and as well. i hope that helps. >> i am at one in the a.d.

is said your previous writing has struck me as the idea of background and knowledge as the skills that are taught at home and students of color are bringing critical thinking skills and those are not honored. what did vice would you give to reorient our cells to play and to tap into the knowledge and skills that are brought into the classroom? >> have the kids do a lot of

writing. asking kid questions like what the thing most nine traders think about acts? then you can start the conversation without them respond gain personally that is a good way to build at -- began a conversation. at that level i believe that is the answer that i have. some say teach xyz and you have to figure out how to do

it and sometimes that is the sense of how they think of the topic but what it is they note to bring to the table. is really just talking to them that is the opportunities that i have had with them. >> i will have the classroom next year as a first-year teacher what is the best device for someone who is new to the teaching field? [laughter] >> the thing that helped me

to be more secure, i was scared to death. these people give their children to me? [laughter] the first year that i taught. it was useful to put to into my head i will give them all that i can but maybe then next teacher will fill in the gaps next year. nobody is excellent across the board. many students love first-year teachers if they can control the class.

they love them because of the energy. but they have to get help from of veteran teachers. what do i do to establish the environment? the best thing i could offer is to put a routine in place early. talk to the people who were here. but once you have a routine it is easier to put stuff then to have wonderful great idea is. >> i am a pediatrician and.

[laughter] at couple of days ago i was talking about the s.a.t. test sharing my views how it is biased people of higher economic status admitted to education but now you mentioned race. how it is the test racist and it keeps people of minorities out of higher institutions he did not want to hear it. what are your views on the s.a.t. process? >> there is a book called

filling in the blanks. it really is about people of color. she is the numbers% so her analysis is not social but looks at the numbers. it is interesting because of bad. -- that. but also a lot of the problems with the s.a.t. it does measure cultural feigns people learn outside the school. the most obvious is somebody

speaks yvonne nix and that is what they learn at home. it does not indicate to less intelligence but the language they learn. many people are extremely brilliant but but then given a test on english grammar reduce speak standard english it does not measure much of the event you can speak standard english. if you take a grammar test in another language.

nothing with your ability to learn but these two groups are not measuring what is taught but what you brought from home. that is one example. we need to think about the fact there are differences what many african-american children and white children bring to school and read the to make sure the school is responsive to teach them the things they may not have got 10 which includes a bit more field trips because the kids from poor communities, how do understand the text of

was to if you have not been to one? we need to think more carefully about the students that we're teaching need and we can get them to the place where they have a standard english to become culturally familiar. it is the test and the kinds of changes we could do to help change the way we are teaching. >> i am associate professor at trinity washington university. schools of education and are under attack. what would you say is back

practices with teacher preparation and what do you think is the future of the public-school system in this country? [laughter] >> right to. i don't know. i know the path i believe we will hit a brick road quickly. i mean a brick wall. i don't know how long you have said in education but to look at new or lends at has almost exclusive charter schools somebody will say this is stupid we need a

central administration. to make a school system all over again. if they can push some kids out the way it has been done that some charter schools in new orleans is if the child like if you run -- where the wrong color t-shirt you could be suspended. then they say we don't want to suspend your child or to

be on the record so if you take them out voluntarily, you can put him in the school down the street. some of them will get rid of them that way. >> what are some of the best practices to prepare teachers? >> with teacher education programs i will buy a to see them learning about the communities they aren't tj and -- teaching and i don't see that happening. >> mydb think *dais dais h*

why do think african-americans cannot be successful in this country? >> some have. as long as there are a few few, but they use at addis the excuse to say are doing okay but the general answer is there are still believes howled that they are "less than zero" or inferior. >> that is not the problem.

i will tell you what it is. [laughter] until we learn our slave history ourself then we will progress and go forward. >> we don't know our history. you are right about that. >> our forefathers picked cotton. >> have you done any writing? i wish you would. i am serious. we do know the people who know the history to write about it. there are not enough books out of their. >> we have to close question-and-answer. [applause]

>> this is a book the and on location at liberty university and lynchburg virginia talking to professors who are authors. we are with professor of babcock with his book. let's start with your subtitle. having the experience to write the titles that get change, that developed during publication.

but it is fair and accurate representation that the negative 10 america is a christian nation and is subject to be challenged. to drive that the heart what does that mean that america is a christian nation? in his crisp gen own the in the culture we need to understand what that means. >> host: give examples. >> is a store called commonplace the country was founded by pilgrims who came with religious orientation. that is the story we've learned and elementary school. our

institutions, framework, it is not controversial the say that they were framed by a fed judeo-christian ethic that is a cultural argument to make but at the end of the day we just offend cultural values. i have been called to speak with conviction and speaking as a christian who happens to be an american. i traveled widely throughout the world and i speak at to churches and work with those of you have been to be in the hands and that is a central argument. >> host: when people say america is exceptional do

you agree? >> that is a great question. no doubt it is exceptional but the doctrine of american exceptional loathsome is very tricky and controversial idea to engage in. that is in the 80th of destiny that we are the guide ordained nation or commission people. those in him in history have claimed that one i discuss specifically is ancient rome. to the self ideals they were called out by the gods with the mandate to conquered people and extend will bid

values throughout the world. that calls the premise one at the s it mean america is of god nation? speaking as a christian i do believe he works is a sovereign got of history but to say the united states is the new israel which was very common and has been adopted by some on the religious right who believe in this a newt israel and a call to the mission because he does his work in the world but i believe the church to follow jesus christ in their everyday lives. >> host: professor babcock

you write america is moving to be more secular? is that necessarily bad? >> no. is historical. i call my fellow christians to recognize america is secular not because poor was taken and out to has adopted here and it was a watershed but to is a century is long process. the modern age last five or 600 years is a materialistic world view in which religious ideas are increasingly marginalized. we are a little behind

western europe but to it is part of the process. it is inevitable. christianity is historical and our values and believes should be transcended to rise above that. >> host: you close the book by talking about a visit to nepal. >> it was very powerful. i was planning to go right around the time when the founder of the institution and jerry falwell passed away. it was a moving experience. we remember him fondly for his vision and what his commitment was to our nation and culture.

because i remember how dr. falwell talked about the role of the church and christians living out the mandate to of christ. what policies through the houses of congress. i heard him say those things. with the rise of the religious right to i saw the power of the message of christ in a place like nepal. it to crystallize the message. following christ transcends culture know how matter how much we love it. >> host: and janine jerry