small. in the book i talk about health its great success reputed to be early documentation that you provide phone signals in the early part of the 20 century, which really gave credibility. from then on, the research department grew and grew as it worked fundamentally on the science >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. timothy stanley recounts the personal life and career of pat buchanan. mr. stanley is joined by mr. buchanan. the two discussed his childhood in washington dc, his work in the nixon and reagan administration, and his own presidential campaign. this is about an hour and 10 minutes. >> thank you very much for coming. i suspect you are not here to see me go read and i am okay

with that. a big part of my marketing strategy was to achieve someone i knew who would do something controversial. that way all the photographers would turn out. all i have to say is msnbc's loss is my gain [applause] [applause] i was john's right not only about an american, but pat buchanan. the answer to the american bed is simple. i am passionate about america. the way i always freeze it is that britain is like my trusty

old life, and america is my trusty young mistress. i had written about patterns respectively. i stumbled upon him as a historical figure it by accident. like a lot of people in my generation, i spend about a third of my day on youtube. while i was going through the÷"" usual videos of sneezing pandas" and monkeys, by sheer chance, and it really was law, a came÷"" across a speech that mr. buchanan gave in 1992 at the republican national convention." it is the so-called culture war speech. if you watch that, regardless of your÷" politics, you cannot help but be struck by the extraordinary rhetorical and moral force of that speech in which pat declared that america was in the grip of a cultural war from a religious war, is important to get future of

america, for it is a war for america's soul. with that speech, i would argue that pat buchanan defined the politics of the 1990s, and in many ways, the '90s were as much a age of buchanan as it was the age of clinton. i saw that and i was fascinated. i wanted to know more about him. so i applied for some money to come to america and travel around and do interviews. i am terrified of flying. it is actually was actually quite an extraordinary experience. i've learned los angeles area and met some crazy libertarians there. then i took a train to campus and met a few people there. then i took the train to detroit, and then i took a train to new hampshire and interviewed some buchanan brigade people there and i went into the south end visited with some veterans. amazingly enough, they are still living.

then i came up to washington dc, and i was very fortunate to be able to interview mr. buchanan himself. those interviews for them the spine of the heart of soul of this book. i came to two conclusions. the first was that he was born in the great of great ages, perhaps the greatest that this world will see. he was born to an enormous family, six brothers and two sisters. almost a romney size family. he was a roman catholic at a time when it was pretty cool to be a catholic. this was during the time of the rosary crusade. this is an age in which america was very confident and was growing and had this enormous industrial base. he grew up in the shadow of mccarthyism, his father was the.

he was even a caddy to a young richard nixon when he was president. he then became a journalist, he met nixon, nixon took them on, pat was by him aside when nixon reinvented himself for the 112th time in 1966 comanche was with him in 1968 when nixon won that incredibly close election to go on to become president. pat was there at the heart of the nixon administration at a time of extraordinary conflict when america came closest to civil war to act on for 100 years. remarkable time. he is one of the very few people who emerged out of a nixon administration and out of watergate with a clean reputation. tom braden, your colleague on crossfire once remarked that pat buchanan was the only former member of the nixon administration who didn't require a letter from his parole officer to go on tv. [laughter]

[laughter] [laughter] [laughter] pat went on to gone as one of the tv pundits, he helped invent a show called "crossfire." in times past, conservatives tend to consider it like william f. buckley. quite polite, very much dealing with that kind of high realm of ideas. buckley was likely to talk about -- you can almost imagine him doing an interview with ancient greece or something. pat comes on, and he brings the style of rough-and-tumble politics into tv and it really does revolutionize it. it is from that to get the legacy of ann coulter and sean hannity. pat worked under ronald reagan. he was the director of communications during the iran contra scandal. he left the reagan administration and became a

private citizen and a great pundit and columnist, and in the 1990s, ran three times for the presidency. i want to discuss that a little bit later with pat. during that time, he became the face of the conservative base within the republican party and conservative liberal america. buchanan's life come if you want to do a history of the conservative movement in america, you do very well to read pat buchanan flight. 's life. it is a very good primer into it. the second conclusion i reached was buchanan is some of it for us as much as it is ideology. those who campaign for pat buchanan were as much of a particular kind and democracy, as they were of a set of ideas. in 1996 when pat buchanan won new hampshire, the new hampshire primary, which is one of the high points of his presidential

career, his voters were the poorest, the most likely to have been unemployed, the most likely to be independent, but he very often won the male independent vote, and the most likely to have been previously registered pat buchanan's vote was exactly the kind of vote the republicans angry. i think if you grasp that and understand the historical importance of buchanan, then you better understand where the tea party comes from, and where the kind of politics of today come from. historians to make you read the literature of the moment, history books finish at 1980. they tend to stop with the reagan revolution. and that's not true. it is in the 1990s that the south turns republican at a congressional level. it is only much later that they turn republican at the state level. buchanan is all about that.

if you want to understand the tea party coming have to understand the roots that were laid down in the 1990s. as a result of all these troubles and conclusions, in retrospect, i realized why was i have been trying to write about pat buchanan. the answer is that many of the issues that he is concerned by and have motivated him are global and international. i grew up in a family that is very much part of that middle american demographic. it just happened to be in the southeast of england. my father was a c-2. we don't give people like names like blue-collar, we give them a number. my father was a c-2, which was a skilled worker. he laid cables in the ground. globalization and deregulation and all those dramatic economic changes of the last 30 years, the affected him. growing up, i experienced two years of joblessness in my household. i saw a great example and i

understood the people who buchanan reached out to. and i understand those people, and i suspected those people come in their heart of hearts, they vote democrat, but they are really rather conservative. the things that matter to them, like family and faith and the place they grew up in, their job instability, those are conservative issues. that is something that pat buchanan brought in the 1990s that many republicans, including the people running for the presidency today, don't entirely get. and i want to finish briefly, and i would like to go on and talk to pat, i'd like to say that regardless of what you think of pat's ideology or his views, i think he has only been motivated by duty and by love. there are very few politicians you can say that about. thank you. [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause]

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campaigner which they hadn't seen you doing at this point.ó are there any kind of things=ó from the new hampshire campaignó trail where you connected with individuals? i know where you wind up to see people at a factory. >> for me to tell the story without getting emotional -- >> but i think it's important if you don't mind to express' the emotional humor. >> the issue of trade and its effect upon jobs really affected me so just before we came back for christmas about the 23rd of december, and the and we went up to this factory, this paper plant way up in the north country in berlin, a little town almost in canada, and so we went into the plant and we looked over and paul erickson said these fellows were standing over there in the line, and paul erickson said go over and shake hands with them so i looked over

and they looked kind of angry and the didn't look like the much liked me. i said are you sure? then i found out they had leadoff and were being given turkey's for christmas, so i went over and started shaking hands and one guy looked at me and said save our jobs and then we drove three hours down to manchester the next morning and? financing the mill in mexico?? what are we doing to our ownkñó? people?[v?? >> i think that is crucial because people do have to understand that. >> in 96 we went down to north carolina. it was a long walk and they had come out and these guys were very tough guy is, they were not

the guys i grew up with. one of them came up to me and said - lead off -- a donley in mexico training his replacement to do his job and he says all over the country. and i argued that in '92. you build these trade agreements and bring the chinese and and those every manufacturing job in the country. you know in the last decade, 2000 to 2010, this country lost 6 million manufacturing jobs and 55,000 factories gone. one in every three manufacturing jobs we have had are gone. what are we giving to the middle class, the working class in this country when we are taking away all their jobs? my view is if it can be made in the united states it should be made in the united states. in hamilton you go to those old republicans -- [applause] they believe that.

the old republicans that built this economy, hamilton, henry clay, lincoln, mckinley. we wrote a book the great betrayal. they are discouraged in the free trade. they believed free trade because we are going to dump our goods there and charge tariffs on goods coming in here. they were not about a level playing field, they were about winning. >> a lot of liberals would agree and i remember one story they told me someone came to interview you and she was right you had a very long hair. she said i think he may have been gay. [laughter] you're the first that spoken about the power in politics. >> i think that it was in iowa and a fellow came along and i think that he was gay, he had a

hearing and stuff. [laughter] most of the time when i grew up they didn't have a hearings and stuff. but he was in the car with me driving along asking me questions and he was clearly a left wing and finally he said, you know, my whole life i've been looking for someone who would take on corporate america and when i find him it turns out to be pat buchanan. [laughter] i mention very briefly the failure to build the alliance between liberals and conservatives on these issues because you tried in 2000 with the storm, and i thought there might be a moment in the t party and occupy where that might happen again. it never works. >> let me tell you one reason. ralph nader and mine, we didn't used to be friends. i was trying to sink the consumer protection agency which we did. but we became friends over this issue and we both went to the battle of seattle and the world

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together a coalition crush them in the 49 states we did it again with ronald reagan in the 49 states and in '84 and even bush got 41 states. i think you have no common place in the country now. it's partly secular and partly religious no common moral consensus or ethical code. we are losing what we had a going up. we studied the same american literature and the same history in all the rest of it. all of these things that have held us together are now disintegrated at the same time the core national court of the country which is western european 90%. that's disintegrating to a minority and we have none of these things keeping us together. so what i am saying is we are risking the balkanization and

breakup of the country along every line that you can imagine. and i think that is my fear and i don't think it can be turned around. in my book in the superpower i have a chapter that's almost 18, 19,000 words dealing with some 35 or 40 countries breaking apart in terms of religious quarrels, sunni come shia, christian, muslim and breaking apart ethnically. you go to the third world countries and now go to europe. scotland wants to get out and go down to spain. they want to get all of italy and break apart. brussels is almost always about to break apart. he's got these problems now in hungary. look at the rise of all of these right-wing anti-immigrant populist parties and this i think is the future and people are -- even the chinese are not oblivious. look at the way they are doing the battles with the westerns

and in tibet. the tibetan religion and ethnic identity is challenging the breakup of china and the muslim, the turkic muslims want to break away from china and established east turkistan and they are terrified of this. they see the russians and it fell apart. it isn't going to happen to us, so they keep moving chinese in a. i know people say we can't talk about that. we won't be talking about what it is that can kill us. >> in britain that's why -- [inaudible] [laughter] >> they tell me the same thing. [laughter] >> - lived about six months in los angeles, and i think that hispanics to a pretty good job of integrating.

i think fisher a lot of american values. it's hard work. they are very religious and focus on their families and things might change but -- >> the problem, you are right. heather mcdonald did an excellent piece recently i just saw the piece she did terrific on this. the white working-class among white folks used to be two or 3% in 1960 among the white working-class and lower middle class. it's over 40% the hispanic community, all of the hispanic community illegitimacy rate is 51% and the african-american community is 71%. in other words you've got no families. the family has broken down and collapsed completely now. i saw a statistic many of the hispanic kids 19 times as likely to join a gang to get the identity to get the families come to get the community's as

white kids and african-americans are only ten times. that is an enormous amount. but even the asian kids are drawing these gangs and that's why all of these things are occurring with a sort of breaking down society.?ç? but let's take britain.kz look at what happened in yourçw country last summer.?[w; you have riots. the immigrant folks rioted and? than the brits and joined in,ó but in the military industrialç? erie as you had trouble inkw[w? france. what have you had in france??ow the burned 10,000.;? look, it's not pat buchanan.w angela merkel said last summerk? multiculturalism has utterlykw failed.kwkç that's a problem with turks andv the kurds in berlin.?kw they were far enough celebratinç 9/11 that they are not fully[s integrated at all. and then sarkozy says the same thing. so it's not me that says look, diversity can work as long as we

can get that high ground that we got by 1960 where all the people came, catholic, polish kids, italian, irish, jewish, greek, all the others. we were all steeped in americanism. and we were all americans. we've come through the depression, through the war car radio, tv, the same movies, the same literature, study the same history. all of that is going out the window. these are the things that hold the country together. lee hamilton said the centrifugal force in the country is growing stronger than the forces that hold us together. and i think that is true. >> i've gotten away from britain -- [inaudible] [laughter] okay. i think we need to open it up now. if you want to ask questions.

>> i think you need to go to a microphone. >> [inaudible] >> is this on? hi, i wanted to ask you a quick current political question as far as newt gingrich goes with santorum -- >> [inaudible] [laughter] >> i was going to ask you a strategy question if he has a chance, but given that, is what you see what you get on stage now? >> let me say this: to the to -- and i probably shouldn't be talking about msnbc, but i enjom working with her.pmúmúñúmúmpñúñm i really enjoyed franklyúñúm "morning show," it's like a comm artery, a group of guys thatúlúm grew up together that got intoúm fights and things but now theypm are getting older and they areúm doing their best to be nice toúm each other and make their pointñ and a nice way.úñú÷úm itú÷ is not crossfire but iúmúmm

enjoyed it the show and my timem on msnbc. >> i'm sorry. his name. [laughter] >> chris matthews comments on hardball, every, every kind, generous. >> that's very nice. as i said, look -- >> call you a friend. >> maybe i shouldn't say this but they asked me what it was

because he ecause i a voice to frankly whether issues. they said please, get somebody to control this border. if they would have done and then we wouldn't be talking about it now so i went out and did that. but in may we were down the shopping center and a poll cannot showing ross perot at 40%. i think bush was at 43, and clinton was winning only arkansas. so in other words, after i had run or i had done all the damage i had done, bush was still ahead of clinton. and i think what -- i mean,

look, i didn't help by running against him, but i think by that time -- by the time you got to the convention, the fact that ross perot dropped out just as clinton and al gore were on a trajectory i think those votes all went to him. i think it's fair to say take a look at what bush did. he got 54% and -- excuse me, 54% in '88 and he got 37% in 1992. 17 points, right? lost 17 points. i think it's more ross perot, but i think that bush thinks i deserve a lot of credit. i think young the bush and the credited that made the republicans look extreme and unelectable, of boesh jumped

nine points in the pole and was the trash job that was done afterwards by the liberal media that brought the figure back down again. >> let me talk to that, because i gave that speech that night and i spoke first and ronald reagan's book right after me. and all these commentators in the convention they rose ten points. bush came out of that convention in some polls 25 down, and he was only to down coming out of it. in other words had close to the convention. the problem was of course the media came after. they were scared to death of the cultural issues. but the fact is the media are frightened. those are the issues because the media doesn't want us to win. i sent a memo when they started running away from the issue. i said 16% of the people think

george bush did a good job on the economy. everyone says he's a good export policy but that doesn't matter now. and so, what have you got left on clinton? key is wide open on a cultural, social issues as we found out later. if you are going after these, i think they want to work. but the truth is you cannot tell a candidate to do something that's not in their gut because they will miss it up. and they will run away from it. i remember when ford was running in 76. i had worked for nixon and we did the speeches and things in the media and we attacked the media, we clobbered them and nixon won the 39 states they can to me and said pat we are getting be devotees and ford should go after the media, and i said i think so. then i thought and i said no. semidey giving a speech will read it and then they will start pounding and stuff like that.

i feel like those guys. i really believe them and so run away from it and that is what they did in the cultural war speech. >> might turn? okay. my brother was at the center in 1962. would you talk about young americans for freedom in the new card and your role in that and did you ever reconcile with the conservative movement more than the new guard and the rest.

and as i told -- they said we office is the way that i felt. >> speaking of countries coming apart, quite a number of years ago when you were on the report you made the remark you were discussing israel and palestine that as far as israel goes it was a foregone conclusion and a matter of demographics. not many years after that there was a cia report that estimated the had 20 years ago. i wonder if you feel the same way and what your time line is. >> i advertise my book here superpower i have a chapter called demographic winter it's

about the demographic winter of the entire civilization and in the ideal with russia which has lost 10 million people since the liberation of you will of 1989 with 10 million russians to hit 140 million on scheduled to lose 45 million more by 2015. what is going on is with the demographers called hyper bortolotti dying at the rate the germans are going to lose eight to 10 million people. each knew italian generation is one-third smaller than the one before it. it is a utility rate of about 1.41. the japanese, 127 million will lose 25 million people. and in that chapter, i did something on israel. now, israel is more complex because you have the orthodox there. you have their rates like the buchanans the neighbor has 11

and he has seven. so, what you have in israel is about 6 million jewish citizens and 1.5 palestinians and 2.5 on the west bank if you include east jerusalem and then about a billion in a gaza city reached a point in 2014 where the populations are the balance. but 60% of jordan which is about the size of israel is palestinian land by 2015 as i figured it out if you to jordan and palestine you will have three through colin over the israelis, the jewish is released and i don't think that is a survivable situation. let me if i can tell you a little story, you know, people say i used to interview a lot of

guys that were very extreme and i used to interview and he would come in and he was a very smart guy coming eventually got murdered up there on the bridge, but he told mechem he said mr. buchanan could realize israel is under the democratic for its plan to be jewish and we are not going to be both. he was arguing for pushing the palestinians off of the west bank and jordan because he says demographically they would overwhelm us. as i said the altar orthodox would become more and more prominent in the politics more and more prominent in the government and the rest of it because the of the part of the european is diminished. they got a low rate. this is one of the reasons i was talking about birth rates is anti-semitic but i don't think

it's anti-semitic because what is happening demographically to western civilization there isn't one western country that has a birth rate that will enable it to survive to the end of the century. in britain the talking 2066, 1,000 anniversary of the norman conquest in the native population of britain will be less than half of the country. what holds britain together when we saw what happened last summer? so i think this idea that everything is and be financed the melting pot it works but our elites don't believe in it anymore. they want it thrown out. it's cultural genocide. so it seems to me you are not going to discuss these i tell you the israelis are discussing this. they know the problem there and a lot of them are -- this is for a lot of them are arguing we've got to get rid of this and have our own country and they have their country and this is behind the two state solution.

you have a one state solution how do they remain jewish? even now you've got if you to call the west bank you have almost 50/50. >> to talk to that u.s. factory jobs. how do you create a u.s. factory jobs with rates so low and without creating a trade war how does one do that and by the we did you read the article? >> 60,000 jobs standard and all the rest. >> but how do you do that on the trade war. >> in the past we did have a trade war. >> how did we do it before that? from the civil war to world war i the united states went from half the production of great britain to twice the

production of great britain and more than britain, germany, france, and when coolidge was in power we produced 42% of all of the world's goods. during world war ii it was used on both sides to hit general motors for every shot fired at us general motors fired back four of them and here's what this country, the greatest is uniforms, french muskets and independent. what we did was the tax system had no taxes on american workers but we are going to tax the imports and tariffs. get the money from great britain, get the revenue, build

the ports, build of these things up, the internal improvements and the united states, the cost of these things americans said with a minute we can produce that for less here. so the american industry built up and up and up and as i said in the civil war you have these tariff policies that meant they were charging money all the products coming in. no taxes, no regulations and our standard of living is high. so we simply shipped into the british market and exported 8% of all we've reproduced and had 40% of tea and coffee and things like that. >> let me tell you what the chinese. they would say well we will get to it. just say keep your currency where it is to be we figured it out to the and vintage you got

is about a 50% tariff pending a 50% tariff of chinese goods in the united states to eliminate the taxes are many factors in the united states. did anyone see the figures for last year? we sold $100 billion worth of goods to china and they sold 400 billion to us. a detroit surplus of 495 plus billion dollars. what is going on in this country they are talking we might do this to china were that to china. it's been going on and the trouble is i think republicans are more responsible than anybody else i believe in free trade and every time you mentioned i have a chapter on him in my book the great trail and i got it from another scholar who said smoot-hawley

was passed 4% of americans with imports. two-thirds came in for free. that means 1.3% came so we raised the to defend it cost only the great depression but all this nonsense. they're out there in these on tv league schools and the kids that cannot are responsible with the the industrialization of america. >> i went to buy one of these big screen tvs and i said look i know the japanese make great stuff but i said i won the best american tv because this is the biggest investment kuwait and he said there are no american tvs.

>> mr. buchanan, it's good to finally meet you in person. i've been yelling at you on the tv for 30 years. [laughter] >> it's easier on the radio. >> i want to be respectful and i think -- i'm very little i think we can disagree respectfully. i feel this evening isn't telling the whole story. i feel the you go beyond being just a conservative that a lot of your comments frankly some of what to say and stand for scarce me when you talk about demographics of what is happening in britain and your comments like the depth of white america were christian america. that's in your new book and i am

jewish and i wondered where i belonged because i always thought that it was my country, too. i'm wondering, the author or both of you if you could address you've been criticized many times. from. when the revolution was here we had 99% of the country promised 1% white we had been a predominantly christian country of the reaffirm cute kid out to 1960 to 95%. that produces an ethnic that

produces a moral consensus as well as religious. the jewish community cannot of europe, predominantly christian western countries. that's what we were to read these of the things that really pulled altogether. the african-american kids, they studied american history, we have the same christmas, easter holidays, lincoln's birthday and all that regardless culturally they were as american as apple pie as i was. why am saying and this is the

final plant. that is what i am trying to prove in this happening. we are on the indians harm as of civilization and i think all people are good but the idea that you could wrap up all people in the country and call it a nation is to meet the utopian. we are risking the greatest public on earth and i don't know why we are doing it. [applause] >> i think we are doing it because that's what america is about. they were terrified about the diversity.

if you demand the kids read the literature and have the language will holds us together? >> why was in the country the kind that. why the tragedy's. part of living in a democracy is being compassionate and considering the feelings of others. when i read the rutka i. i try to write it in a very reflective way that allows him to speak as himself. i do. we've kind of spoken a little about britain. i think britain is actually more vibrant and civilized than a was

30 years ago. i am a conservative guy. most men in britain whatever people may think of them they are very religious, the of strong values and share my values and many of them are more british than british people because many of them are pretty trashy nowadays and many of the best turnon british -- the tragedy to the cultural war. when andrew sullivan came out having aids, they raised a letter to him to say. some of the things is about homosexuality and about aids. i think it speaks to the fact that you can disagree on the level of policy.

there's a human element. >> for the human rights campaign that's when the group's that set out to i have to to -- buchanan's words check him on the statement to great to gays, lesbians, transgendered people all over the world. i just. i said i believe the practice of homosexuality basically is unnatural and immoral and that is my view. now that's the view of the catholic church. it is a view that i believe, and there is no question about it. when you say that i'm sure it is hurtful to some people. these divisions would come out of the 50's and 60's. they are irreconcilable. i have to either give up my

q% marriages find and a lot of folks like me are not going to what i see now is this whole cultural revolution that you are succeeding there is no ground to the co dhaka it's gaining ground. when it was over we lost. there is the case that can be made, but i don't know how you come back together when there's disagreements i have a list of 20 or 30 things in there thatq%% do. 1960 maybe they were golden years in a lot of ways that we were so much more united after the year and be for the 60's and i don't think we are ever going to get that back again and frankly if you read that book there's a lot of people in theiw besides me who believe this

[laughter]q%qw take? >> hello. i'm a palestinian. i'm a catholic christian in part of the diversity in the country i think we contributed a little bit. anyway, our family loves you. we enjoyed seeing you every day on msnbc. i don't know why we don't see you anymore. i agree with all of your points of view. my daughter is from the buchanan brigade. she mails me every day and asks about you so i admire you and i wonder if you want to comment on the arab spring which turned into the winter.

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two-stage solution because he had a reputation as a top soldier he might have been able to drive it through. then they murdered him and the second chance was with barack obama in 2000. i think maybe it's. maybe it's going to continue until it is settled. >> thank you. aye may be one of nine liberals in america who admire you and learn from you. i'm wondering what happened to buchanan in the sense that when i look at the tea party for instance which i would think that may be the tea party contained the formal buchanan

voters decoders. what appealed to the tea party -- well, on foreign policy, ron paul has views akin to yours. all the other issues or the social issues there are candidates that line up with you. on the issue having to do with economics, having to do with trade, having to do with immigration, too i don't hear any of your views being considered.dñdmdñdldmdldñd=dl >> i think mydñ views on alsodmm d>nufacturing they are alldmdmú÷ dllking about it because theydñ÷ dme what's happened.dmdldl they don't know what to do aboul it because they are free traderm

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>> [inaudible] [laughter] you're not an enthusiast. he gave a speech on immigration and reported this wonderful quote from and said i see the river flowing with much blood and he was talking about immigration was fired and never seen again and he's a brilliant fellow, he could speak all kind of language, he was a soldier and he said all political lives in didn't feel year and i think there is truth to that. we have some of the issues but it's awfully late in the day and we didn't succeed. we got beat twice and the last time we took the reform party i don't even want to discuss on the reform party people don't either, so thanks.

>> i had to professors, one at george washington who corrected me when i used the term isolationism and they told me to forever use the word non-interventionist. i agree with them now, too. one of the things i wanted to ask had to do with the fact you are one of the editors of the american conservative. you have a fellow named andrew that contributes to your magazine. i'd like to find out to see a future for non-interventionism do you think it is more of a realistic approach in the future and since you are different in other aspects to you see there is any possibility of getting a movement towards them on interventionism and save the u.s. money in doing so?úñpñpñpññ >> he's a terrific writer and añ good man and post the iraq war.ñ he lost a son in iraq.p÷úñpñúñ

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power conscripted on their enemy and i think that's what theyúñ want done, netanyahu and thepñúm others and i can understand.úñú÷ great britain wanted to get usúm into world war ii desperatelyúml because the mill american power comes in the when the war on the west.pñúmpmúm >> did it úñtake to years to do that. [laughter] >> [inaudible] [laughter] >> i do want to say very quickly a final story that she sums up pat buchanan. i was a new york and went into the shop and as americans do she was speaking to me which is on nerving. he asked me what are you doing and i said this guy is quite young and absolutely wild.

>> he is appalling. i hate everything about him. this guy is what is wrong with america. to you know the worst thing about pat buchanan coming and he said my dad. >> thank you very much. [applause] for more information visit the web site, i know many of you might not even have been born in 1973, '74 when watergate took place. but richard nixon won in one of the biggest landslides in the history of the united states which meant most americans who voted in that election voted for him. yet, when the fact is came out that law was violated, the american people, including the

overwhelming majority who had supported richard nixon set you have to investigate, we have to have a special prosecutor. the law has to be enforced the matter what. and in the end when the judiciary committee acted on a bipartisan basis, the impeachment of richard nixon, the country overwhelmingly supported that verdict. and what did that tell us? that more important than any political party, and more important than any president of the united states, and more important than any single person coming and more important than any ideology was the bedrock principal of the rules law and the preservation of our constitution. and americans united on that scene regardless how they voted just about a year-and-a-half before that. we are not talking about ancient history.

people put behind them their own partisan views and said what is good for the country and the one standard of law is critical. so i said that's a really important principle and i believed in it, too. and then, we got the bush years. the accountability principles pretty much worked. i won't say they were perfect. we got to the bush years and things changed. and so, oddly and michael officers. that is a nisha area of expertise in this country that we've had the experience of dealing with the terms of the constitution and the impeachment proceedings that worked.

we saw, however, that there was no accountability for the impeachment process. so then we said well, let's look at what else can be done because we knew the framers of the constitution understood and it's clear in the the dates on the constitution once a president leaves office, he, and maybe she can be prosecuted. there was nothing in the framers debate that said you've been president? we could do very bad things. i mean, they were human. they created checks and balances because they understood because the bad things they also understood congress could do bad things. they were not on realistic about people. they were very practical and they were very pragmatic. so, he said okay. let's do this book about