>> prior to what was in response of april 10th. >> again, with the uncertainty facing the country and the importance for the transparency and the numbers, the national labs, the security procedure, mr. moss, is it correct that the department of justice is changing the pleadture by citing the findings of the national lab report? >> yes. >> okay. have you seen the full copy of that report? >> i have not.

>> all right. to your knowledge, has anyone outside the department seen the full copy of that report? >> i don't know, sir. >> okay. in an executive summary, the report implies the news organizations like yourselves are adversaries of the department of labor. do you believe that you are adversaries to the department? >> i do not, sir. >> nor do i. >> okay. are you personally aware of any security deficients with the department's lockup procedures? >> congress mapp, this brings me back to a point i wanted to make in response to dr. hall if i may. >> yes, sir. >> dr. hall referred to one of the problems being unauthorized access to the room. that is an argument for the enforcement of an existing policy, not the replacement of that policy where something was very dray draconian. access to the room is supposed

to take place with a technically proficient department of labor official. we're comfortable with that. >> okay. the department of labor's new policy for the lockup facility requires all to use government owned and government operated software, hardware, and wiring. this is action permissible under the first amendment? >> i don't believe so, and i think it raises substantial first amendment problems. as you know, the first amendment is designed to allow the press to operate independently when you're using government owned hardware and software, and you have no control over what it does and you have no knowledge perhaps of an an extreme circumstance, you don't know what they're able to monitor from your work. you don't know what they are taking. you don't know what they are putting into it. you have no control what goes

out. i think it's a very frightening prospect. >> to your knowledge, do any other government agencies require reporters to use equipment tools owned by the government. >> i can't think of one off the top of my head. it's possible, but i'm not aware of one. >> in your opinion, this government ownership could be problematic for the freedom of the press? >> the freedom of the press and to the public's right to get independently gathered, digested, and disseminated information. >> thank you. doctor, as you probably know, the current head of the office of public affairs has not confirmed by the senate as he's technically a senior adviser. do you recall if during the bush administration that position was occupied by someone who was senate confirmed? >> yes, i believe it is. >> okay. then dr. hall, given the

importance of these numbers, as i've talked about earlier, both economicically and politically, is it right that the process is being released? >> i don't. i think the most important thing that they have the responsibility for the security of the lockup room for for disseminating data with a level playing field, but don't have the authority to make changes. >> okay, thank you. i thank you, all, for being here today. mr. chairman, i yield back. >> thank you. with that, we go to the gentleman from virginia. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and thank you tort panel today for being here. i want to especially welcome dr. hall from the great university george mason university in my district. delighted to have you here. maybe, dr. hall, i can begin with you. i'm looking at this -- listening

to your testimony, and if i could confer from what you said, you talked about oh originally the process was established, the lockup, and the control of data, and reporters waiting at their trusty typewriter to get it out, i think you were leading us to believe that technology maybe has passed us by, and i'm looking at, just as a legitimately, i think, as warned about even with the best of intrengses, government insisting on transfer to all of their technology and their government controlled computers compromises the first amendment rights of the fourth estate. also have a legitimate concern? after all, you know, the media are profit making entities that have motives that go beyond just the first amendment sometime, and i'm reading from the executive summary of the report,

and it says although dol operations and oba personnel are doing due diligence to monitor the lockup facility, their efforts are complicated by dol idea equipment and communications lying in the facility. the opaque nature of the equipment of the dol operations and the stake holders is a major impediment to ensuring that embargo data are not released prior to authorization. in your opinion, dr. hall, from your experience, is that a legitimate concern? >> yes, it is. >> we have to balance that with the legitimate first amendment concerns we heard from the three witnesses on the right. >> absolutely. >> and might that be the motivation of the department of labor in the new regulations? i mean, i'll withhold judgment as to whether it was too far or whether another notification

could have been given or whether the press should have been brought in earlier to dialogue about that, but that might have been the motivation, and not the media trying to strangle the first amendment. >> in fact, i absolutely support generally the recommendation. the only thing about the equipment, i think, is worth considering having government equipment in there, but it should be studied a bit more. i happen to think that there's a bigger policy issue here for the federal statistical agency. they need to decide whether or not it's allowable -- it's advisable to have trading come out of lockup. i think that -- that question needs to be -- do we even need a lockup? i mean, given technology, why have a lockup at all? there's no first amendment right, i might add, to be in lockup. why have one at all? why not just post something on the web at 8:30, and everybody can have at it. >> no, no, absolutely. i think the issue for dls is that we want to december seminate the data, give people a

chance to write accurate stories and be able to ask questions and get the stories right. that was the original idea of the lockup. it -- but you're absolutely right. in fact, like i said, most economic data is, in fact, just put up on the -- i think -- i think >> i think what's drawn from the testimony is that's what you leading us to from the typewriter to the fast moving 24 /7 news advancing. i have another concern, and that is that leaks or unfair advantage to somebody in terms of information is enormous power. i'm looking at a letter, for example, submitted by the republican ranking member of our counterpart committee in the senate, senator collins of maine expressing concern about the unusual trading activity reported in the "wall street journal" just prior to release of the unemployment data in the month of way.

is that also a legitimate concern of government that, gee, we don't want to somehow give an unfair advantage to somebody that might move markets fairly or unfairly and do damage in a broader economic sphere and favor one entity over another. does the government have a concern about that? >> oh, absolutely. that's one of the principles of the agency to help do its best to create a level playing field and not have that happen. >> final question, we heard the testimony of your statement there on the left, the -- when you were there, did you see capricious interference by the department of labor forcing you to redefine existing jobs arbitrarily as green? >> no, not at all. >> not at all? my time is up. >> thank you. we go to the gentleman from south carolina for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i yield my time to the chairman who is so well-versed in all the

issues related to this hearing. >> you're too kind. you're going to go a long way on this committee. [laughter] i don't think i heard you say it was about interfernings. interference. we had a second panel that had to do with the fact that is substantial number that dr. hall put out the 3.1 million green jobs are, in fact, jobs that have been around for generations. isn't that true? i mean, just -- >> yeah -- >> just gleamers are not a new profession. >> the federal definition of green jobs was on the security agent of 207 signed into law by president george bush. which gave the instruction to do this. nevertheless, it does resolve in relabeling of jobs. someone putting in a low flow

toilet, for example, that's a green job. a regular toilet is not a green job. what we need to be focusing on is best creating jobs. this is not something we should be worrying about. >> dr. hall, i think the reason that there's controversial about the green jobs is, in fact, a lot came out of, quote "stimulus money," and the claim stimulus was working including 9 claim of the green jobs. do you agree, as an observer, that's a lot of where nor information was used? >> it seems that way. >> okay. so one of the my questions, the most important question, is if i relabeled the jobs as most, such as diesel repair person repairing a mass trance it bus, that was a green job 50 years ago. wouldn't it be fair if we wanted to get accuracy that we go back all those generations, and we would simply have this rise and fall of as close as we could, same job year over year, wouldn't we have found as a result that at the beginning of

this recession that we lost green jobs? >> absolutely. it's quite possible. you know, a new data series doesn't really tell you about the past. you don't get an idea of what's changed over time. >> the, if you will, the propaganda value or the disinjen -- dis job and people who empty tanks and mill wood, there were jobs lost in those areas. we lost the jobs, and then we got them back. when you score 3.1 million new jobs, some of those are jobs that undoubtedly were lost and reclaimed. >> oh, absolutely. >> thank you. i'm going to return to a line because this is the committee of transparency and the reason we have these hearings and continue to push to not have the kind of behavior, and i can't remember the gentleman from virginia used

in relation to boot, but his allegation, but the press historically gets treated one way. when the press getted changed to another way, and you feel it impinges on freedoms, isn't that, in fact, the core of where the press must push back and force government to justify two things? one, the need to do it, and, two, pursuant to the first amendment, the right to do it. in this case, vice president they failed -- haven't they failed both tests? they failed to give you the specific need of why they needed to do it, and they certainly have not shown where the specific, the forcing you to use government equipment, government lines, bringing in no keys, ect., ect., and, of course, then have the access to your type material on their computer so they can look at your material later if they choose to. hasn't that, in fact, crossed the first amendment issue as

well as not stating the need? >> mr. chairman, the dol with discussions with the media highlighted the need for security. we understand that. it's our belief, based on some proposals we discussed at dol that we stated concerns about security can be addressed and media's first amendment's rights protected. we've had productive discussions. there's some areas where we are close. we're not there yet. >> mr. chairman, may i -- >> of course. >> two quick points in response to congressman's connolly's -- >> of course. >> firstly, regarding dr. hall's response to your question, sir, you said that symptom efforts -- some efforts were complicated by non-department of labor lines. again, that's an argument for enforcing the existing policy. the other point i would make, sir, and mr. chairman, is that under proposals we are currently

negotiating with the department of labor, the staff will be able to install equipment that's ownedded by the news organizations. >> if i can ask unanimous consent for one more question -- thank you. you have been in knowledge the of the negotiations. at a minimum, wouldn't the government be able to specify, quote-on-quote, equipment coming into the lock area rather than say this confidential findings that they can't know? in fact, suspect it something where part of the negotiation can be nay improve and specify in advance any equipment coming in? doesn't the government have that ability to negotiate what comes into the room, and thus, never be surprised to find out what you requester using? >> yes, and that it part of the discussion. >> thank you. with that, we go to the gentleman for massachusetts for

five minutes. >> thank you, thank you, all, for your testimony here this morning. i want to follow-up on something. there was an op-ed by a financial adviser, former journalist, and he said that outfits like bloomberg pay a lot of money for split second decisions. who receives the first access to reports on unemployment data? the general public or subscribers to the service that you offer? >> subscribers to the professional service in the public. >> same with us, sir, and should be noted that when everything goes down at 8:30 at the same time so whether it's a story or a table or data, it all leaves the lock up at 8:30 or whatever the department of labor pushes the switch. >> any incentives, do you think, for some people, at least, to get the data out a split second

earlier than the competitors? there's a lot of money moving around. if somebody could do that, there'd be a certain advantage to that. >> congressman, right now, the department of labor has a master switch. >> i understand that and i'm asking the general question is there a concern if somebody were to get that information out quicker than others, they woulde an unfair advantage. >> would my colleague yield? >> yes. >> he testified earlier, quote, "we want to get the information out as fast as possible to our clients." >> of course. there's an advantage of getting it out quickly. you get it out quicker than the competitor. that's a good thing for you. >> absolutely, but as i said earlier, it's well in that earlier response. everything that we do that needs to be done within the rules. >> obviously. >> i said that a couple times, and d organization l has control. >> one of the points made is was department of labor is under

negotiations to provide access at all; right? there's no constitutional requirement that the department of labor issue that information prematurely or earlier than one fell swoop. >> that's correct. as we said earlier, lockups are important. >> they do that because they think there's a value in fostering improved public understanding of the data, and that there's a value to having accuracy for the initial commentary. that is what you folks, i think, agree with; right? >> congressman, if i may? >> briefly, please. >> attorneys looked into this question because it's something that the dol brought up in discussions. it's our belief once an agency establishes a policy, in this instance, the first amendment, and an agency cannot arbitrarily change that without due process of a proper notice and common hearing. >> that's not the question. the question is whether they are

under initial obligation to share it at all. they can go through the due process, issue it once, and everybody gets it, and that's it, without pre-released information. i agree with you. what you are working for is striking a balance, allowing for a security so no one gets an unfair advantage and get that ability to have a better public understanding, more accuracy in your initial commentary. you've been working towards that with the department, have you not? >> we have, sir. the discussions have been productive. >> exactly. that's the next point is that, i think, you've indicated you had a series of constructive meetings, and you were left optimistic you can agree on procedures and policies; is that right? >> yes, sir. >> the media groups appear to be making progress. do you agree with that? >> not there yet, but made progress. >> almost there. an agreement principle?

>> almost -- well, i think we're getting close on some issues, sir. >> have you agreed to ensure security and allow you to choose your own hardware and software? >> there's been master proposals made. >> that proposal would be the department controlling the physical access to the hardware? >> they would install it and manage it. >> if that agreement were in effect, would that allow you to continue to prepare your news reports, statistical data appropriately? is that a direction in which you want to move? >> there is no, sir, at the moment, there is no formal comprehensive agreement. >> you're working on one; right? >> if we were to work at and arrive at something -- >> how close are you? how close are you? >> on the technical issues? >> uh-huh. >> i'm told we're close, dol said they'll get back to the news services on. we're awaiting dol comments on

rules of the lockout. >> are you -- feelings at all -- working in good faith? >> i do believe everyone's working in good faith. >> good. okay. thank you. i yield back, mr. chairman. >> i'll go to the gentleman from pennsylvania. mr. kelly, can you yield to me for just one second? >> certainly, go ahead, chair. >> were those discussions truthful in the period prior to the committee taking a direct interest in it? were you having the same level of discourse where you were resolving that an arbitrary rule, perhaps, was not going to be the final judgment? >> congressman, it's my understanding that the interest of the committee has been vital in thatñ&r process. >> thank you. >> mr. kelly. >> thank you, chairman. one of the things that i've been looking at, try to look at the statistics, and i know that what i did previously was in the bill

business, and we lookedded at markets and markets available to us, and we kind of looked at the definitions, and then looked at the status tigs, but they only matter if they are accurate and have credibility. my questions come on the green jobs initiative. i'm trying to understand. dr. hall, the jobs or white collar jobs, but dls was asked to count green jobs. was that for political reasons? >> i think it was for policy reasons. there's a good deal of interest in green occupations, and i think there was going to be policy things on the issue. >> i understand that. in order to give credibility to the policy, we had to come up with met tricks that made -- metrics that made sense. talking about green jobs, have

we done a good job on that? a good positive roi? >> i think part of the issue is that dls was not trying to feed into a particular policy. it didn't have policies in mind, and they took things two approaches. you're looking at green industries and green occupations. as far as i know those two things get mixed. they were trying to be helpful. they were trying to be helpful and make a fairly broad definition so that people could use it and even make up their own definition of green jobs. there were a million definitions around, and used the data to piece together your own definition and use that for policy. >> i understand that. whenever you change the definition of what a person is doing or game it or shade it so that the answer you're looking for can be supported by data that you very carefully craft coget the answer you want. that's the problem i have with this. i'm trying to understand if we're really looking to develop policies or develop the future of the country and say, boy,

there's a great jobs market out there, and the guy that drove a bus before, if he went from driving a regular fuel bus to a pro pain bus, we created a green job. we didn't create a job. we shifted a person from one category to the other. for people like me, i think you want to see a positive return on your investment, and i get the feeling a lot of what we're looking at was a policy that was well-intended, but has not really created the jobs that the administration thought it would create. i have no problem with that. i made mistakes in my life, but the thing is, i didn't keep on the path i thought was wrong. i couldn't do it because i used my own money, but this has been bothersome so me. tell me, how do you get from one position to another position and say, well, this supports what it is that we're doing. that's, i think, the problem that the american people have with this because if we're truly talking about creating jobs, if we are talking about making an environment that's more

conducive to creating jobs, this doesn't do it. >> i think the first thing i want to say is one of the things i learned quickly at the bureau of labor statistics is produces the best data you can and explain it, but you can't control how people use the data. they use it however they want to use it, and that is true with all dls data. in fact, my big goal was we make sure to use the data, and even if they use it wrong to begin with so that it's sort of not app impossible thing for dls to sort of control. >> how do you feel about that? >> i'm an economist so i don't feel. [laughter] looking at the numbers -- >> as an american taxpayer, because we all are, regardless of whether you are here or down

there, we're responsible to the people to pay all the bills of the hard working american taxpayers. i'll tell you how i feel, and i feel, at times, that we are so separated from reality in this town, i have to know, okay, you use whatever term you want to use, but what is the result of this? >> well -- >> do you have any positive answers? >> no, no, i think the whole concept doesn't make sense. for example, in the transportation area, busses and trains are green jobs. the tax, those are not green jobs, but it makes sense to take a taxi rather than build an expensive rail line. there is no point in adding any of these together or science museums, for example, this is another kind of museum. a science museum is a green job, and another is not a green job. the american people want just a job. i don't think they mind if they are agree with unemployment over 12 million with the unemployment rate above 8% for over three years in a row, we just needs

lots of regular jobs. we shouldn't worry whether they are green, red, blue or whatever. >> we want red, white, and blue jobs, and we don't need anything other than that. i thank you for that. >> i thank the gentleman. with that, we go to the gentleman from missouri for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. let me start with dr. hall. doctor hall, can you describe the work that went into the developing the dls's methodology for conning green jobs -- counting green jobs, and what were the expert sources dls consulted when developing this methodology for counting green jobs? >> first, let me say that the folks at dls are experts in conducting surveys and they are not experts in what is green and what is not green. dls spent a good deal of time talking with federal agencies who are involved with green

things, i guess, and spent time looking at how some of the states define green jobs and how they defined "useful" and with the private sector. trying to invent ideas on what should or should not be included in green jobs and to come up with a definition that had logic to it, but i will say, though, one thing that's pretty clear is there's no one definition; right? there's clearly an arbitrariness to it at some point. i thought it was important, and i think we did. we aired on the side of broader because we -- our goal was to be useful to people. we were not thinking of ourselves as being the definitive folks determining what's green and what's not green. >> let's be clear that the department of labor statistics is a non-partisan statistical agent. did the department of labor or any other entity within government that is focused on

the development and advancement of policy interfere with the dls's development of the meth doling of counting -- methodology of counting green jobs? >> no, they did not. in fact, we went to some of the agencies to talk about what they thought maybe should be in a green job or considered a green job or not, but it was entirely up to dls as to what to include or not include. >> you evidently don't agree with the federal policy to promote renewable energy technology or investing in green jobs, but as you know, today's hearing is not about the policy. the hearing is about dls's reporting of jobs figures which includes the definition and a number of green jobs calculated by the bureau of labor. on that topic -- >> would the gentleman just yield? >> i'm not going to yield. let me finish my question. >> i just -- >> don't think you intended to disparage the lady's

intent. that's the reason i said that. couldn't have meant that. >> can i get some more time? thank you. on that topic, this is what you .

>> taxpayers spend a great deal of money. ap they pay great deal of money, and they should get the best value. the best value should be job creation as a whole, rather than dividing the jobs into green jobs and other jobs. >> now, do you have any

anecdotal evidence of where we have had a huge boom -- and on misery we have had a certain windfall that was created by one of the president's initiatives. do you point to something like that and say there have been no jobs created? you have any anecdotal evidence to back? >> well, i mean, there is solynda -- >> i allow the gentleman additional seconds through have an answer to his question. >> solynda went bankrupt, you had a hearing last month on bright source energy that showed involvement in the highest levels in the approval of that nonguaranteed. these are all green jobs, meanwhile, cool is not green, but employs many americans. inexpensive natural gas, that we could be mining and giving

americans lower utility bills. they result in high electricity bills for a household. >> would you count that as green jobs? >> i would say this is something that should be approved so that we can bring more oil. >> would that be characterized as a green job? >> under the els, we think the pipeline would be a green job? >> i am asking you. >> i believe that construction of the keystone pipeline would not be a green job, even though it would create more jobs in the refineries in the gulf of mexico. >> we now go to the gentleman from new hampshire. senator guinta. >> i might make note that the secretary was a sponsor, told us always, the very idea that this

is not political, when in fact, our former colleague, hilda solis, is responsible for it, now making sure that the numbers come out, i think we have to be honest that it is about politics, it has always been about politics from and to answer your question on pipeline, quite frankly, the president was standing in front of green empty pipelines when he went to oklahoma. they probably would count as a green job because of the color of the pipeline. >> we go to the gentleman from new hampshire. >> the gentleman from new hampshire yields to me for 15 seconds? >> no thank you. i do need to get to my question. i'm glad i am glad we are actually having this discussion. i want to address my comments and questions. i personally believe that there is some places him in this particular issue. other people may disagree and they are able to have their

point of view and perspective. i respect that. but you said something in your earlier testimony that i think is very important. why distinguish a job -- a green job, from a job. a job is a job is a job. we are in an economic climate where we just saw our job growth at 69,000. the unemployment rate is now jumping to 10.5%, and we have cbo estimates that they could exceed or meet a .5% by the end of the year. people at home, at least in new hampshire, are not distinction between eight green job or a job. what they are looking for is a career. to that end, the department of labor receives a grant to train workers in green skills.

i think we have a hundred and 89 different programs that we are now training for it careers in this related field. i guess my question to you would be, has there been an economic benefit to these green jobs in the training? have we seen a demonstrable or specific economic benefit to our economy? >> i would say that there has been practically no benefit to the green jobs training. the inspector general testified in june 2011, at that time, there were only 1366 that had been in the jobs for six months afterward. the cost was over $100,000 per

job training. if you want to look at where there is no unemployment, look at north dakota, and on the employment rate of 3%, the lowest in the country. there is a boon because of fossil fuels, hyperthreading, natural gas developments. i believe there are very few -- i don't know of any green job trainings in north dakota. there is so much business that you can't even get a hotel room. >> of the people that were trained, do you have a percentage or number of current or people who would become employees? >> i do not have the percentage offhand, but i can get it remap would've it surprise you if it was about half? >> that would not surprise me.

>> i'm curious to know how many people got a doe loan? >> i don't have that information with me, but i can look and see if it is available in get back to you to that would be wonderful. i feel that my time. >> the gentleman yields. >> back to the point, though, we are not debating green jobs, we are debating whether, in fact, what they are calling green jobs are green jobs here. if you drive hr, you have a green job. if you sell sell used sporting goods, you have a green job. if you have a septic tank, it's a green job, if you work at the salvation army, it is a green

job. no problem with these come about when people are saying that there are 13.5 million green jobs being produced, they talking about jobs that have been around for many years, and those jobs rise and fall and have very little to do with anything unless you look at them in context, over a long period of time with the same job analysis? >> that is correct. now they are labeled green jobs, so they are part of this green job creation, even though they were there beforehand. the same with the manufacturers, they just didn't put the logo on the cup. >> the gentle lady from california is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i am pretty perplexed by this entire discussion. maybe you on the panel can shed some light. what happens with this lockup, is that you get information at 8:00 o'clock, you have a half-hour to digest it, and at 830, he released it to your

clients into the club -- public. all the time, effort, money, extra efforts and expenses that go into creating this lockup, it could be better if we would have the department of labor issued the department of labor statistics at 830, rather than issue it at 830, traders get it at 9:00 o'clock. what have we gained or lost as a result of that? i would suggest that this is all about what works for wall street. i would like to ask a question of the two representatives, bloomberg and reuters, mr. daniel moss and mr. rob doherty, why would anyone subscribe to newsletters if they weren't getting some benefit, in terms of accessing information

before the public? in response to one question asked earlier, you said that your information is provided your clients and to the public at the same time. could you answer to me, why would anyone skyview newsletters if they are not getting an advantage? >> well, you know, how we send it out is one thing. everything goes out of 8:30. as to how they would use it, that is where the benefit would come in. as i mentioned earlier, the information does go out to a variety of places. it goes out to the financial community worldwide, and media clients really goes out to the consumers at reuters.com. i think the idea is how people use that information, once they have it, is what the differences. i would say to your comment if

bls princess at 8:30, it would make a difference. in fact, the benefit of having half an hour to digest it, and make suggestions is not important to the data. >> this is not just about wall street. all subscribers are to -- they include teachers and firefighters and universities and other places of higher education. they include airlines and other jobs. >> it is all about making money, though, isn't it? >> are concerned -- what our concern is to make sure that subscribers continue to receive something that they have

received more than a decade and the public is fully informed and able to make a decision accordingly. >> i still like a question to the question. why should i subscribe to your service if you are presenting it to the public and clients at the same time? >> if you have an interest in economic statistics, you want a new service that provides you with as much context analysis as possible. the lockup facilitates the transmission of just that at 8:30 sharp. >> to your point, people subscribe and can get our coverage of the white house is welcome on the internet, but other people pay for that coverage. to i will yield my time to the chairman. >> thank you very much.

i knew that the chairman wanted to give a half a minute to the another member of the panel? i make a point here. the green jobs act, which was cosponsored with me, it was not about creating jobs. it was about training people with the skills and education needed to take the jobs that were created. i didn't want to conflate the two. i wanted to make the distinction on that. also, there have been about 100 new renewable energy and energy plans that opened up since 2009, i make that distinction on that. the only ones making sure that the energy department bribes is the republican party. the safety of our troops being one reason, the gentleman will

suspend. >> pursuant to the rules, as you know, you may do a great many things, you may not disparage the intent of members of either party or any individuals here. >> did you feel disparage, mr. chairman? be met to make a comment about the intent -- >> to clarify, did you feel disparage? >> yes, i didn't. >> also? >> for the same reason that the lady went to the floor for a long period of time. if the gentleman would please refrain from violating the rules of the house. >> help me out and tell me how you felt disparage. >> the gentleman may continue for the next 15 seconds. >> ideal to rest my time to you to tell me how you felt disparage the. >> what we are seeing is people emptying sewage out of port-au-prince being counted as

green jobs. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] >> the gentleman's time is expired, we now go to the gentleman from north carolina, mr. mchenry, for five minutes. >> i cannot follow those fireworks. in north carolina, doctor hall, you might be the right person for me to ask, based on your experience red. i am deeply concerned about our statistical agency. we should be a light for the rest of the world on how governments keep track of data. whether it is our census or

these very key important pieces of data that we need to have, very clear understandings of strikes and the whole thing. i am very concerned about the strength of that data and the independence of it. based on it being done well and correctly, based on this information. my colleague asked about describing two routers or bloomberg and i subscribe to a whole variety of services so i can have data, assembled in a way that i can consume it better than maybe what is on the website. maybe putting 50 pieces of data together that are all available, and giving a good analysis. i think it is a free market, that works in that regard -- that we can actually have access to that information. in north carolina we have this

issue. in this situation, she was speaking to a rotary club and releases data before her office put it out officially to the wired variety. how is that done at the state level? is there a great latitude that governors have on putting out the state level data, and what is that relationship? >> sure, bls works with state partners to collect employment data. one of the things that happens, is because we are working with the state labor agency, and they are helping us, they are impelled to get the data ahead of time. before bls has done something.

before the release. because they are not federal employees, we cannot really control what they do with the data. we can ask them, for example, when they write the data out and presented, we can ask them not to be political, sometimes they are and how they describe the data. something i would not be comfortable with. sometimes it appears that the state office may have shared with the governor. i happen to think that is a problem. it is something that will fall in between the cracks because of this marriage between the federal and the state government. >> you know, there are penalties. there is confidential and information and protection. it finds people for breaking now. it has been hashed out in the newspapers, in my and my understanding is that the governor didn't violate that law. has there been any action in

terms of fines or penalties for release of this type of data? >> not that i know of. i am not an expert in the law, but the law you mention, i believe it governs federal employees. >> okay. >> all right. >> that goes to the state latitude? >> yes. >> you think this administration has been too lax in its release of the employment numbers? >> no, i don't think there is any issue with anything with a release, other than the technology is changing, and it has made it harder to control security of the release. >> okay. thank you. with that, mr. chairman, i am happy to yield back my 33 seconds. >> thank you. doctor hall, you keep talking about the security, security, security. ultimately, it's no wireless devices allowed in the room, and if wires do not accidentally or inadvertently bypass controls of

a switch, and you don't let a reporter walk outside to set up his camera, if you don't do those things, you still have the same level of security that you always had. which our people, 10 times a month or more, when convenient to the bureau of labor statistics, when you want them there -- because otherwise you release directly -- when you want them there, you put them in a room. in fact, you don't give them access to send out information until you turned the switch. i understand the technology. i spent a lot of time growing up in business and technology. but this doesn't sound like technology where it loses out. ultimately, the failures that we heard about were mechanical failures, weren't they? >> yes, they were. let me just say that bls sees value in the lockup. we are not only trying to disseminate the data, but they also want people to get it right. they want a chance to explain it so that it is reported correctly

and then when it is disseminated, it is disseminated correctly, and they're not mistakes made. there is value in the lockup. he needs to be done in a secure environment. the taking equipment out of the room, i can tell you what is really behind that. the effort to get traders out of the lockup. automatic treaters. it was a decision, in my opinion, to get the traders out of there and have a lockup without traders. that decision was a critical, policy level position for statistical agencies. the usda has traders in the lockup. they, for years, have encouraged that. they are trying to facilitate traders. they take care of things better and it is a much higher level of security. this is a effort to bail on the trading. >> thank you, mr. jordan. >> i am happy to yield my

time to i will pick up where i left off. it works out really well here. it is in the bureau of labor statistics to have lockup, and that is why they have it. when it is not in the interest, they simply put the information out. >> yes. >> when i watch cnbc, bloomberg and other service -- you know, all the various -- i came out of business, so used to have multiple tvs in my office that distracted me from everything. when i would watch those, i would hear people trying to analyze your very statistics come after the lockup had ended, after the numbers were out, and they were arguing back and forth about whether it really meant something, how it dealt with the previous revisions, since you are somewhat famous for having revised statistics.

all of that takes analysis. it is far beyond the number, is not? >> yes, sir. >> whether as congresswoman spear mentioned, there is a financial interest with people watching, or forecasting future products, it that it is going to go a different way -- and i may want to reconsider how much i stock up on inventory for christmas -- whatever treasonous, you are facts, your statistics in a vacuum are dangerously useless if you don't have people who can make secondary evaluations and can turn them into meaningful information with dialogue and prospective. >> absolutely. it is an important part of bls. bls is tremendously available directly from the public. you can call us, et cetera. i thought it was really important that nobody stands between bls and the public. being able to describe this and how people understand this. >> i'm going to close with one

question. if this rule, as it was originally requested, if it were to take effect, in which fewer people are put into a room with only a typewriter or pc with word on it, and no ability to bring in anything more than they happen to have in their head, wouldn't the quality of your reporting from your two major news services go down, and wouldn't the different -- differentiation of the material, when it starts with the same with what you could scratch up on a typewriter? >> mr. chairman, that would be very detrimental to the quality, accuracy and context of what is now published at 8:30. for one reason, we would not be able to bring our software, which helps us with historical context, it helps us formulate

table data. everything from gender to industries. >> i would just say that it is not just the quantity of information that we put out at 8:30, we do a lot more by hand and other things. >> thank you. in closing, i know there has been a lot of controversy here on how we count green jobs, and we will have more of that on the second panel. i would like to thank the representatives of the press for broadly and statistically joining us. it is unusual to have the press before this committee. it is not a standard for us to be asking you questions, and we really appreciate being able to get the answers. it is so important that what you do, and the fact that as a businessman, i wasn't -- i never subscribed to your services. i wasn't looking at it in detail. i wasn't working about --

worrying about making a trade immediately. in the days and weeks afterward, i knew they were affected by the quality of the initial reporting. not by the source data itself, but by the analysis of the source data. on a personal basis, i want to thank you for pushing back to make sure that people in all aspects of life have the opportunity to have a free and differentiated press coming out of those lockups. with that, i thank you. we are going to stand in recess while be reset for the second panel. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> now the house oversight committee turned its attention to green jobs and how it is reported by the bls.

this is an hour and 10 minutes. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> the meeting will come to order. we recognize our second panel. mr. carl fillichio is a senior adviser for communications and public affairs at the united states department of labor. mr. carl fillichio has not been through the senate confirmation hearing, despite the fact that he is responsible for conducting his duties -- he is she is responsible for those conducted during the bush administration by a senate confirmed assistant secretary of public affairs. mr. john galvin, he's the acting commissioner of the bureau of labor statistics. and he's --

>> and jane oates is employed by the united states department of labor. would you please all rise to take the oath. >> raise your right hands. >> nu do you solemnly swear that the testimony you're about to give is the truth and nothing but the truth? >> thank you. let the record reflect that all answers are documented. you are full answers will be placed in the record. mr. carl fillichio, go ahead. >> mr. chairman, members of the committee, thank you very much the opportunity to share the efforts we are taking regarding the release of economic data. we take our responsibilities seriously, and we value the

critical role the press plays and disseminating this information. the office of management and budget statistical directive number three permits, but does not require or recommend pre-released access to news media a principal, federal, and economic indicators. should an agency elects a pre-release, we make sure that there is no premature dissemination prior to the designated release time we provide what is called press lockups, solely for the purpose of serving the public. reporters are sequestered and given data at an embargoed basis at 8:00 a.m. then they are able to prepare their stories 48:30 a.m. release. we believe that the lockups facilitate good journalism and an enlightened public debate. through the lockups, we release all principle, federal and economic indicators from the department of labor statistics, as well as a weekly claims report for jobless numbers and we have a law since the mid-

1980s when reporters were provided with paper copies of the report. since then, obviously, technology used by the news media to translate economic data has evolved rapidly. in 2000 and one, the department took steps for implementing additional data security controls in response to speculation to dissemination prior to 8:30 a.m. not long after, automation and trading became more prevalent, and we begin to hear directly from traders which can -- news organizations had done so. we address these issues accordingly. in 2011, more than a decade had passed we undertook a thorough review of our policies, our procedures, and protocols regarding the lockout. we understand that there is a

responsibility to make it available to all rhythms, which is not the purpose of the lockout. we believe it is important to contribute to an informed public debate, with equally strong commitments for premature release of economic data. we recently announced new security protocols that will give participating news organizations the continued opportunity to write their securities stories in a secure environment, while taking precautions to prevent early release. lester, we entered into a memo of understanding with sandia national laboratories. then we provided options for vulnerabilities identified. sandia is a leader in providing equipment. and you begin work in july, and

provided a report last year in august. the report includes recommendations that we replace the variety of privately owned equipment with standardized equipment that will significantly reduce the possibility of data leaks. number two, secure a standardized phone data line to these organizations, and require that personal devices be stored outside of the lockup room. in addition, we announced credentials represent journalistic enterprises and a summary of the data to a broad audience. this was handled by a committee of career employees, either editorial board political viewpoints were not considered in the process. concurrently, i instituted rules including prohibiting non-nuclear employees in lockup

facilities. some media organizations have expressed concern that her plan would not permit the use of their private, a high-speed data lines, their customized publishing software, and their personal computers and other hardware. we met with these news organizations on may 15, and then brought it under them and our experts together for discussions on may 23, may 30, and june 1. these meetings have been productive, and i am encouraged by the progress we have made towards a solution that addresses our security mandates, as well as the media's business and journalism goals. we are also working with the news organizations and a code of conduct for reporters in lockup, and we are on track to institute new, additional safeguards based on sandia's recommendations made in consultation with the associated press, bloomberg news, and reuters. technology will continue to change at a rapid pace. the adjustments must be made to protect integrity on a continuing basis. i believe we had laid a great

foundation to move forward. mr. chairman, thank you again for the opportunity to testify, and i am pleased to answer all questions. >> thank you. mr. john galvin. >> good morning. i appreciate the opportunity to appear today to discuss the message of the bureau of labor statistics to protect information prior to the official release of the public. immediately upon the official release, the bls widely disseminate the products to the public through the bls website and an e-mail subscription service that prior to that official release, the bls bears no effort in securing the confidential information from unauthorized disclosure or use. the bls is responsible for protecting two types of confidential information. responding and identifiable information and pre-release information. respond and identifiable information is collected from businesses and households under a pledge of confidentiality and is protected from unauthorized

disclosure and use by the act of 2002. after that collection, the information is aggregated in a manner which allows its release to the public through a statistical report, while ensuring respondent identities are not disclosed. prior to its release to the public, the ever dated statistical report is considered pre-release information. the office exercises authority for it coronation of the fiscal system and dissemination of the reports. the handling of pre-released information is governed by that omb. specifically, omb policy directives three and four of government information, director three applies to federal, principle, and economic indicators. all our other data uncovered by omb posted directive number

four. the bls has strong internal policies and procedures in place to ensure the integrity and confidentiality of the data we compile, store, analyze and provide to the public. bls employees and contractors are in the format of these policies and procedures in annual training. furthermore, it restricts access to confidential information to only individuals who need the information to carry out their jobs. it prohibits employees from using their access to the status for personal financial gain. the bls information system stores and processes information and implement security controls, through the federal information security management act. personal identification cards are used for all physical access to the bls building, and its specific location, housing critical telecommunications equipment and i.t. equipment.

only statistical policy director three, it provides a confine that is secured in a facility 30 minutes prior to the publicly announced release time. participants are not allowed to leave a lot of room until the information has been released to the public. external commission is not allowed during the lockout. bls uses secure pre-release arrangements to provide access to the sector labor, and to the joint economic committee of congress. bls uses the department of labor lockup facility to provide secure pre-released data access to credential members of the media. in 2011, bls entered into an agreement with sandia national laboratories for an assessment

of the lockup facilities. the assessment identified vulnerabilities that the bls and department of labor plan to eliminate scheduled to go into effect on july 6, 2012. the bls and the department of labor are working with participating news organizations to finalize solutions based on the sandia report recommendations that satisfy our governments need to protect pre-released data from unauthorized dissemination and use, but also facilitate timely and informative analysis of the data by the media. in summary, the reputation and credibility of the bls depends on our ability to release economic data to the public in a fair and orderly manner. the bls has strong internal policies and procedures to ensure the security of our sensitive prerelease information. the bls agrees with the sandia report recommendation and fully supports the department of labors implementation of the recommendations. thank you again, and i would be

pleased to answer any questions you may have. >> thank you. >> thank you. i appreciate the opportunity to come and talk you an update you on the progress -- >> we can't hear you. can you pull the mic closer. >> i am so sorry. it is the first time in my life i've been told to speak up. >> one of the amazing things is the project perfectly, but this wonderful woman over here, who is to your side, is the only person that makes you her presence permanent. [laughter] >> bible be much more attentive. good morning, again, thank you for the opportunity to update you on our progress on your investments and the ability to train workers for good jobs in green industries and other industries. the department plays a critical role in making sure that we have a prepared workforce for today and tomorrow.

over the last two years, we have made a number of strategic investments to make sure that as the green sector grows, businesses have what they need to prosper. strong partnerships with employers have been critical to investments to the very beginning. that is why we are working with local areas and encouraging grantees to be flexible throughout the full cycle of the grant. in some communities, some needs have changed since the grants have started. the grants are continuing to ensure that their products are aligned with employer needs. such as providing training for additional occupations that require the same skill set, but with different employers than they had originally anticipated. the department is also committed to making sure that these investments work.

we have implemented a number of new processes to monitor progress and intervene if necessary, to improve grant outcomes and will grantees accountable, including a performance-based process for identifying and prioritizing grantees with high technical assistance. we provide technical assistance or several to several mechanisms, including in person meetings and workshops, learning conference calls, webinars and case studies, examining promising practices, implemented by our highest performing grantees. technical assistance covers many topics, including the basics of proper reporting and accounting procedures, but also focusing heavily on job placement and employer engagement strategies. some of the grants to train workers in green industries took longer than the grantees planned. but with our comprehensive to medications with grantees from

the investments are now paying off. the recovery act, the department has invested nearly $500 million directed by congress in 189 green job training and related programs to help train workers for careers in sustainable manufacturing, energy efficiency instruction, biofuels, and other renewable energy sources. these grants serve and are still serving today, more than 99,000 workers. today, more than 65,200 have completed training, and of those, 80% have received an employer or industry recognized credential, such as a certificate or degree. despite tough economic times, after completing training, more than 25,200 workers have already found new jobs with 81% of them in green training related jobs. it is important to note that of the over 99,000 workers who have received services from almost 49,000 were incumbent workers and were not necessarily seeking

new positions, but were looking to attain credentials that would help them improve the productivity of their employer, and basically help them keep their jobs. today, 29,899 incumbent workers that have completed training have received a credential. while some incumbent workers who have received green job training did find new positions, were incumbent workers that do not find jobs, those workers retain their current job, which may have included an advancement potential. similar to the upward trends in performance, the current expenditures reflecting green activity. as of the quarter ending march 21, 2012, 62% of the grant programs have ended and enclosed out, and 60% of the total funds have been extended. this represents more than a twofold increase compared to 29% expenditure rates cited by the oig in the september 2011

report. we expect the positive trends to continue. to ensure that we learn as much as possible from these investments, the department is conducting formal evaluations of the green training grants. the interim report to for the qualitative evaluation of the training focus grants was recently accomplished. it included a descriptive analysis of 8-gram product. we will keep you up-to-date on those through your committee staff. i look forward to answering any questions you may have. >> thank you. we now turn to the congressman. >> thank you very much. you feel it is solidified at this point, that we have a definition of what a green job is at this point? >> we take whatever definition

is given to us and get that information out. our focus is really on relying on local areas to find where the employers have needs, filling the gap that we have needs for and having the employees respond about. >> so, a green job at a solar manufacturing plant, when manufacturing, the energy -- the actual production of those jobs, hydroelectric dam, that's a green job, what about a custodian that puts in fluorescent light bulbs? they use to put an incandescent, now they put in fluorescent. >> that's not my job. my job is to make sure that it is a local area, and they need someone who can work with natural gas are putting in -- >> do you understand where i am on this? the difficulty is finding out what is a green job. let me tell you from my perspective. i visited a program and walked through the training. i met some very great folks.

in my conversation with them, they had just finished up, they had just graduated a group. they were able to talk about how many people they were able to place. my conversation in question is how many of those individuals were placed in a green job? they hesitated and responded back to me that all the skills are transferable. which is great, they ended up in the job. but they couldn't name a single person that ended up in a green job, or if they work the numbers right, for instance, if they ended up in home repair, they said well, they will replace windows, and that's a green job. or they will end up in waste collection, so that is a green job. or this individual networks at a used bookstore, and that is a green job because it is recycled material. the challenge is not employment. it is the number of what is a green job and what is not. that seems to be a very fluent number in this process. based on the definition -- almost anything could be considered a green job at this point.

>> again, congressman, maybe it would be better directed to someone else. my concern, my charge, when i took this job, was to make sure that job-training was aligned to the needs of employers. in fact i want to hire somebody for $10 an hour to replace floris involves, that is what my training providing should do. as you know, we had a chance to talk in your district. i was amazed at what was happening with natural gas and what was happening with some of the things like that. i was thrilled that our training programs were are working on that. i was equally thrilled when i visited sonic. we were also getting people they needed. again, i understand this is a political debate. i hope you would agree it is my job to make sure that my training programs are meeting the needs of local employers. >> i absolutely agree. it is only a political debate because it is designated for just green jobs. the challenge is to determine if we are focusing on specific sectors, and even we, when we

chatted with a credit check, it is an ongoing challenge for the leaders there. they have programs that are focused on that, but they have challenges based on people graduating, trying to place them in a green job. we are trying to redefine what is that definition, how does it did did accomplish, and how do they check the numbers back. i was at a wind farm a few weeks ago. i asked how many people do you employ total. there are 12 people. when we train people and try to do repair and the wind farm, there is not a large population of people that are needed on that. all of them have been doing something else and train on that job. that is the push and pull. how do we get around the training related employment. there is a difference to employ people and try to target for an industry that may or may not be there for employment. that is the challenge of it. that is -- i wanted to be

growing sector. your comment about incumbent workforce. it is a great comment. have to people that are in the program were already trained, they are just getting retrained for something else within the same company. that helps them to be able to keep a job. how did that work out the u.s. for his his retraining and training? how did you make the decisions on that? >> i don't know how familiar you are about how we awarded grant money. i didn't make the decision on how to spend the money. i tried to do what congress told me to do and then we changed the way we paneled. previously the panel had been three federal workers, mostly retirees. in this changing economy, we needed to ship that. we had two outside experts. one federal worker. i don't even see the grants

until they are awarded. part of that is, that we are really looking at the strengths of the applicant, the local training provider, the local government, the state government. we know that oftentimes, six months or a year for the last between writing the grant and when it was awarded. we say to people, when they were writing the grants come in the instruction in the request for application -- that you need to look at what the the greatest need is. quite simply, in some states, it was definitely getting unemployed people trained, because there were job vacancies. in other states, there were not job vacancies, but there were threats that employers would leave the state or companies were changing the way they did business. they made a strong enough case. they made it so strong that they were awarded grants. as we see, some of them really hit the nail on the head. some of them we have had to be

really spending more time with with technical assistance. the wind farm is a great one. some people, not in oklahoma, but a neighbor suing states, -- neighboring states -- they thought they were going to have hundreds of jobs, and then they only had three jobs, they were shocked. we have gone into overdrive to continue to connect them with a local companies. we have been able to redirect some of those workers, because the training was the same if they were doing when power technician stuff. but the jobs weren't there. >> i yield back. >> thank you. >> thank you i guess that means that they didn't get real green jobs by the definition of the public, but they did get jobs because they got trained for.

the good news is, the training work, the bad news is, we are scoring 3.1 million green jobs, which is some political number, which is what i think you were talking about when you said this is a political discussion. >> we don't know each other at all, so please take this with a great respect is given in. my job is to make sure that the training matches the job vacancy needs. whether they are green or white collar or blue collar jobs, that is for the local areas to decide. and for that statisticians and the research is to say. my job, and i hope you will agree with me, is to make sure we are not wasting taxpayers money, training people for jobs that don't exist. >> we cannot agree with you more. with that, which one of you, -- i believe this gentleman asked.

>> thank you, mr. chairman. i hope we can agree that green jobs can more than likely help our economy and job creation. i would just hope that we, on this committee, and in this room, that we can agree on that. >> will the gentleman yield? >> in my wholehearted agreement with ms. oates, what i was saying is that 12 million workers, 12 million who don't have jobs, there is nothing more acceptable in federal dollars in finding people who don't have a job or would lose a job without training, and get them trained -- i think in our discussion of the green versus the green in one's pocket, we are all for keeping green in one's pockets by making sure they have the skills to the jobs that are available. that is for you and i agree more than you will ever admit.

>> city do agree this is an importance -- you do agree that this is an important sector that has potential for growth? >> no, the gentle lady said that she found often that the windmills can create many jobs, but the public utility had some very good jobs and they were able to get it. i agree that we should bet people with good jobs, and that is where we can applaud the work that is trying to be done, to use local employers to make sure that this money trains local people for jobs. >> no matter where the jobs are created in the green economy, that has to be a positive impact for job growth. >> it is all your time. >> on march 13, of this year,

secretary hilda solis sent a letter to the chairman of the committee. i am assuming you are familiar with that letter? >> familiar, sir. >> in response to the question of how many jobs have been created with recovery act money, secretary hilda solis writes, the green jobs program cost $11,856 per cheney retaining a job. that calculation appears to be based on a preliminary incomplete retention data cited by the oig and his report -- the most accurate method for calculating the cost per participant is to divide the total number by these grants by the total number of

participants, who received education training through the grants, once the grants are over. assuming that the targets are the numbers of those receiving education training under these grants are met, this results in an approximate green jobs training cost purchases -- per participant of $3000. mr. chairman, if i'm reading this correctly, they never spent nearly $120,000 per job, but actually spent considerably less, about $4000 per training, is that correct? >> that is correct, congresman griffin can you detail the types of skills provided in these training programs and how you believe they will assist trainees to keep a job or get a job if they do not have one? absolutely. we take applicants from where

they -- where the clients want them to be. there is some basic i.t. order basic adult literacy -- but for the most of them, because we put a targeted concentration on industry recognized credentials, they are getting credentials that the industry is saying that they need. that is why they are staying longer in training, and that is why it is costing us a little more. for many of our participants, that means things like getting the entry-level credentials they need and getting a higher level conventional as well. >> how does the roughly 4000 $4000 per worker, how does it compare the cost of being associated with unemployment? >> is definitely a savings in many ways. they are not on unemployment, they are not on any other government subsidies. they are also productive members of the community. our whole vision is on reemployment rate getting people

back to work as quickly as possible, and some of the strategies like on-the-job training or apprentice ship programs come up with them to work while they are being trained to. >> thank you for your response. mr. chairman, it seems to me that the cost of training employees so they can reclaim or find employment is a great investment. i applaud their effort for making this investment. >> will the gentleman yield for a question. >> sure. >> the debate you brought up in the question to the department of labor versus the answer, and the $3000 estimated to be how much will be applied per trainee, which is important, the $3000 in training, or the hundred thousand for each job that actually occurs? ..

or retraining of workers. >> we are looking at how much was asked sunday. >> 3777. >> are you counting the grants? the grants to individual contracts. if that is what's going on. that is your calculation. i don't agree with it.

>> i assume we will agree to disagree. ranking member, would you like to go next? >> mr. tierney is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. minisub three, first of all, does this sound reasonable to you but about 100 united states renewable energy efficiency manufacturing plants have opened up in the united states since 2009? >> that is the data we've seen as well, sir. >> that is just one study. there's others as well if i'm not mistaken, correct? i know in our state you also show states that have made their own investments would've leveraged federal investments in this area have a particular boon in clean energy and efficiency areas click >> without a doubt, some states have really pushed to get businesses to grow there. massachusetts is an example, the north carolina has pushed to get

the libyan business there is well documented as they push against humans. i definitely think states have looking how to attract foreign investment and had incubate anglo-american business as well. >> you give energy training partnership grants a range of careers on that. one is a hybrid auto technic career. are their skills and education people after to be employed in a hybrid auto technician area click >> and that class i visited date they have been totally reformatted. these different equipment. the body stays the same, but the engineering mechanism is different. they need to recruit coworkers at different scales that work the industry now. >> in my district alone we preach and then the number of together whether fission products and make it made particular training for that. and number of companies and

communities involved i'm not asked what these resources. you find that to be generally true throughout the weatherization product and the skills and education to be able to format? >> absolutely. while some skills using a blowtorch would be seen as entry-level skills. we see a train out to her work with tw that the folks that enter that career path went on to go to some of their centers for excellence, which we don't fight them when a tumor can get per minute good shots and utility industries. >> with a lot of people doing wind and energy -- >> especially with the cake. >> that takes a particular skill set and education, does it not? >> absolutely. the higher the skill set, the more seen in the past. people have to know how to use handheld i.t. devices. >> solar panel installers. i think you are familiar with

what those companies are doing. >> four layoffs ago. >> but those companies which feel a lot of the building now are installing panels with the installation to the cause that cannot panels to the rooftops on that. they are allies to help richard and employees because of a special skill set. is that correct? >> the problem when you bring up that is exactly the trend around the country. this is that you thousand people are now starting to incubate smaller businesses that hire a fraction of those people. and getting their needs, fill in their skill gaps is much more difficult than i was talking to the h.r. direct or at least than 15 years ago. it's become much more complicated. the people you pay three states and local areas have become much more laborious for them to go to employers that employ 50 people and really understand what they

need. that's why we push energy recognized credentials. >> part of what you do is allow job seekers to really connect with the child and the investment board responsibility. and i watch that happen. one thing is for training. the other is trying to connect people with the jobs. but in our district and you can correct me if i'm wrong. without a significant number of new jobs and energy deficiency area and energy manufacturing area. so why work with connecting people and trained to do more training that allows for internships and apprenticeships to get him some and while they're getting the and education and transition because the employer analysis at the effective can bring them on. is that somebody noticed as well? >> that's right. some of the models in massachusetts or the famous california and maryland that if you want to get a dislocated worker immediately to pay

attention to her cooking skills coming of a much better opportunity to do that if you put them on the job training because they don't want to sit home. they want to get back to work and they're afraid if they at on too long is not going to be a job. they want to get back to work in those programs in all three of your states quite frankly have been the most part i did. >> thank you. the gentleman from idaho, mr. labrador. >> mr. chairman, i yield back. the >> ms. oates, gentleman from massachusetts listed a number of jobs. where most of those jobs benefactor line subsidies? in other words, the boom in the industry of insulating new windows with a stimulus program. so you were creating job training for jobs created under the similar fact in my case. that's where the domain industry has been. don't get me wrong.

i'm all for it, but the fact is some of the jobs figure job training, and the green jobs were linked hand-in-hand with stimulus to the extent that there were windmills mandate by state law dictates certain renewable spirit they were giving subsidies in and you're producing training. so you are in a sense directly and are not providing green jobs for green stimulus money that had created green opportunities for business. so under a and all the others in one way or the other benefited from the demand is to do or stimulus money or grants, correct? >> i hesitate to say correct, sir. i can with all due respect is educated and massachusetts. i went to boston college in massachusetts has been at the forefront of looking at how to do energy -- >> were having a conservation discussion about 3.1 million jobs constantly being tied by this administration. those jobs include people who have deported parties, people

who print on makeup with power savings. so not only do we have been misleading figures because her county jobs that have been around for generations. you testify here today figure green jobs he went to find what there was a job opening not necessarily where there could be. you know, what we try to understand this as significant as if in a cream 3.1 million jobs and it's not significant in all that these are to agree to extend $100,000 per job that is lasting a year and at the end of the day he simply took the money and get a jobs training program is the jobs existed. you weren't quite training for some magical new jobs. you are training for jobs that have been to exist. for someone operating a piece of software but working for a power come and the powerline, you did it. so i am all for what you're doing. i just want to make sure that we

define when the president is constantly touting 3 million new jobs or secretary scully says, they cannot jobs in its definition we have a hard time writing them. >> sera come a time may come i can't answer making them as santa claus. so i don't know if the people he trained in massachusetts with their dollars and retrained a lot of them were trained for jobs that are just it because subsidies. i don't disagree, but i think you're asking me to say those jobs are only created. >> some of them were. >> i don't disagree they were jobs created everywhere, but i hope that we don't train for jobs because they get a federal subsidy. >> let me bring you some questions here because you are here because we are having a green jobs counting discussion. to someone who assembles turbines is that of green jobs -- >> wind turbines? >> i think we caught any

sustainable manufacturing fitting the definition. >> someone who sweeps the floor in a facility to make solar panels. is that a green job? >> mr. galvin. >> we have a two-part definition. >> weird we are data briefing from the silliest of the question. >> if you're sweeping the floor, is that a green job? >> if you ask me for the number of health care jobs in the united states under the employment from the health care industry. mr. galvin, you did not want to come here as they would does. so let's go through this. i yes to a question. yeah dnc. would you please answer it. if the seat the florida solar a solar panel facility, is that a great job? >> yes. >> thank you. if you drive a hybrid rice, is that a green job? >> according to our definition,

yes. >> what if your college professor teaching classes but environmentalists said the? >> yes. >> what about any school bus driver? >> what about the guy in the school bus? >> yes. >> how about employees at the bicycle shop? >> i guess i'm not sure about that. >> you have a lot of them. what about a clerk at the bicycle repair shop? >> yes. >> what about someone who works as an antique dealer? >> i'm not sure about that either. >> the answer is yes. those are recycled goods. what about someone who works at the salvation army and their clothing recycling and furniture? >> rate because they are selling recycling. >> what about someone who sells rare manuscript? >> when industries that? >> was so where books and

manuscripts. every because they are old and used. what about workers at a consignment shop? >> is a green job. >> is a teenage kid who works full-time at used record shop count? >> yes. >> how about some of somebody manufactures railroad weinstock, basically train cars? >> i don't think we classified the manufacture of railcars. >> 48.8% in manufacturing railcars counted according to statistics. about half of the jobs used to build trains. okay, how about one more here. but about people who work in a trash disposal yard, dude garbagemen have green jobs? >> yes. >> okay, i apologize. the real last, last is how about oil lobbyist?

wouldn't did oil lobbyist countess having a green job if they are engaged in advocacy related to environmental issues? >> yes. >> thank you. pathetic 02 ranking member, mr. cummings. >> thank you, mr. chairman. as i sit here and listen to all of this, i think about it. i live in the inner city of baltimore and a think about, ms. oates, all of the young men in women. i'll see them this evening when i go home. i'm all they wanted the job. every job if they had a shot at any of the jobs that the chairman just mentioned, they died for. they want dignity. they want a job. they want to take care of their families. they're not trying to get to disney world. they're just trying to get a local job with their families. they're not trying to buy $200 had issues. they just want to buy a $10 pair

at the dollar store. they want a job. job training is very, very important and i want to applaud you. i know you just don't wear green today. you believe in what you're doing and i appreciate it. and then comes the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for people whose qualification as a high school diploma, is 1.1% and the rate for those that high school diploma was 13%, the unemployment rate for people with a bachelor's degree or higher education or qualification was 3.9%. given these numbers come it is critical that congress do everything in its power to create and support sustainable paying jobs working and middle-class americans. the president of the reserve bank of new york said that the original economic press conference, one of the problems facing america's middle skilled

workers is job polarization. he stated this. over the past three decades, job opportunities have become increasingly concentrated in high wage, high skill occupations and low-wage baseball job opportunities with those in the middle have been shrinking. at the same time he says, there has been a growing gap in wages between jobs that paid the most and those that pay the least. taken together, this phenomenon is often referred to his job polarization. according to president deadly, various steps we can take to address this problem. and he said this. more than ever before, jobs are requiring a greater degree of knowledge and skills. in order to adapt to these changes, it is increasingly important for workers to acquire an upgrade their skills, whether through formal education or other forms of training.

mr. fillichio comments can you describe the programs with dean dll, for example, the workforce investment act programs that employee metal skilled workers transitions to new careers? briefly. >> i'd be happy to start. eta is that part of the department of labor that does land share this or other we do it with their friends and opposite disabilities and women's bureau as well. but i think basically to sum things up, for focusing on credentials. we are partnering with our friends, both at hhs mainly in children and families. the folks transitioning and partners at education. so for instance, take somebody who has worked for 20 years. they could work in a factory and make a good salary and the factory went away. their high school diploma if they have one may not enough to

get them a new job in a new set there. it's ridiculous to have to go to adult basic edit job training separately. we have created programs for people of great reading and math skills and i.t. skills at the same time they are learning to new trade pearce of the easiest example for me to give you as somebody who doesn't read well once again to health care tony blair to read and many today. we should be paying for that. we should teach them how to read using medical vocabulary. on that is what we've done peer precut baltimore city and baltimore county right now so that a 40-year-old whose dislocated doesn't have to learn to read before they can learn billing and coding. so those are the kinds of things done. >> that's a very practical thing because that's real. a lot of folks just think -- i have her thought things like people don't want to work and there are people who don't, you

know, who can easily get jobs if they want to. but you know what i was listening to what you're saying a little bit earlier, i was thinking about the training. training is very, very import scene. training dollars had been/tremendously under the republican edges. and i'm just wondering. you know, if you're going to get somebody on their feet and make sure that they do not become a picture meant to society and lose their dignity, one of the things that we could do and i think this is a mr. dudley was saying. if you've got to give them some kind of training. some folks think that a folk can just walk into a job and automatically do the job. i think what employers want, we often talk about what employers want. correct me if i'm wrong. i think what employers want is a come to work, do the job, do it

well. and if they can have a trained employee from the beginning i assume it would save them money and that's the reason why they want trained employees, ray? >> absolutely. because employers a fortune because they want the right fit for the job. >> said the other thing i guess the flipside of that is when they have to train, they can find programs to train these folks before they get there, meaning they don't have to spend resources training people, is that ray? >> another thing interesting to look at folks that i see everyday, while they may trade in these areas, they are giving skills that hopefully are transferable. in other words, they may not have a chat today with a may get a job in the job may not last so long. but at the same time they get skills and hopefully i tell folks all the time, sometimes

you have to tread water until you can spin. and so i assume that's probably your prerogative to. even if you can't get something right away, which you want to try to do is make sure you give them the skills to be able to fend for themselves until they get a job. >> that's exactly right. we do it on a core competency model so for instance the core competencies for could be for construction as well as utility areas. as people demonstrate to the acquisition of passing a performance-based test to get a recognized credential, that is what makes it really transferable. it is not to jack said jane could do the job. jane has a recognized credential and assessment she can show a new employer. >> so with the color green job, blue-chip, privilege, they get training and hopefully they can acquire a job. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you. gentleman from virginia,

mr. connolly. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. galvin come you are the acting commissioner of the bureau of labor statistics. >> correct. >> is shared and made note of little while ago that her former colleague, now the secretary of labor was herself the author some environmental legislation with the whole issue of classification of green jobs. just to clear that up, has to secretary herself personally intervened to ensure the green jobs get classified or reclassified as such? >> no, she has not appeared in developing our definition, we did a very thorough survey of what other federal statistical agencies around the world had done. we looked at the various states had done. we talked to, as mr. hall said earlier, experts and other cabinet agencies the sort of a

green portfolio, environmental protection agency is, cartman of energy, for example. we came forth with a draft definition, published in the federal register for comment by the american public. got something like 150 comments, process them, made some changes and it came out with their final definition. but in all other responsibilities, we have complete independence in the developed and. it says hey doll magnet that because i'm the author of that legislation? >> no. >> as the other author that legislation i can tell you the one who started the legislation and happy to be joined the secretary, this did not start as a subset of their recovery act. this is a bill in my state made clear to me to employers, whatever they had an emerging technology and clean energy, clean technology and manufacturing to many for people trained in that area.

i would suggest there is a good show in the global energy efficiency and renewable use industry internationally is going to grow by billions of dollars, close to 3% or 15% of energy generation by 2035, from $6 trillion will be invested in this country wants to be a leader in that area internationally. my state of north carolina want to be leaders in this country. if that were the case when he got people to take those shots because me n. work for us that. >> i think my colleague. what year was that legislation before the stimulus? >> i think we started drafting that into the snake, early 2009 >> i think my colleague. listening to some of the comments and questions come is the idea of classifying jobs in a particular category so generous that you need green jobs this never happened before

in the bls? >> no, absolutely not. >> when else has it happened? >> really are in sight for green jobs -- >> would i.t. jobs be an example? >> including existing jobs of reclassified so we have a broadband category to identify what people are doing. is that correct? >> correct. what about the criticism in her eagerness to classify and reclassify has green jobs retaking century-old jobs that were there long before anyone part of them is green jobs, stuart jobs, all kind of jobs that seems silly and we're just tripping over ourselves to redefine things is green so we have a good number. why would the bls be doing that? >> welcome the bls that the data

together in a way that clearly breaks down each industries with a green jobs and users who disagree with regards to a judgment regarding some industry as together they produce green outputs are not can remove employment associated with this industries from our members. again, this is an exercise like defining high-tech jobs. there is no omb definition for high-tech. it was her responsibility to look existing jobs, decides which reclassifies high-tech. >> despite the negative inferences to the contrary, what you do is you done before in the modern economy is aggregate jobs in some broad classifications we can better understand the nature of the workforce and the the people are doing and create a baseline so we can measure its growing restraint anime. >> usable, measurable definitions and data. >> sounds socialistic to me. my time is up. >> i now recognize myself.

mr. galvin can what you did high-tech jobs today include a portable toilets and teen people? today include people who manufacture steel? do they include people who did garbage jobs or ran recycling centers, sold used high-tech equipment, were those high-tech jobs? >> not that i recall. >> okay, celeste is probably not true, but has been attributed to the late joe stalin, does not devote accounts. it is who counts the votes. ultimately it is about whether or not the countess select to or whether it is not. you're not a political appointee. you are a career professional. if you were given the ability to reduce greater accuracy true high-tech with a number smaller than it was in the past the gentleman mentioned.

if you could say i would like to really make this very focused on high-tech, could you make the number of little smaller and reflect more directly high-tech? are no high-tech is a tough one. let's say biotech. you know, if you're going to try and do biotech come you probably wouldn't include a person sweeping the floor. he would try to only look at jobs credit for which those high skills and what we assume is biotech is about. in the case of the green jobs, would we count nearly 50% of everybody making a boxcar for a train is high-tech and everyone training a transit bus, aren't we in fact inflating the number beyond what is the reasonable expectation by somebody who shares a quote of 3.1 early in new jobs? >> and the methodology of cunning green jobs the same way we count jobs in any industry.

>> okay, we are just going to assume that intime porta potty uses a green job and that is a fair accounting. homolka one. mr. fillichio, you are the most important here today. i assume you read the lab report? which agreed to provide the committee a full copy of the report? >> mr. chairman, the lockup is still operating under the conditions looked at, so it wouldn't be prudent to release the report just yet. as you know, we are trying very hard to change that system on july 6. after july 6 or after the situation that we had come over me no longer are operating under which cynthia looked at, we would have beat to explore. >> are refusing to give us information based on the assumption we cannot let future vulnerabilities and your proposed rulemaking and make an analysis? i'm not asking a post on the

website. i'm asking to release to the ranking member. >> mr. chairman, we are dealing with security issues and making that report public while we are still operating. >> were not make it public. are people asking your people said no. so i'm asking you. >> if i could get back to today, mr. chairman cannot resolve that our staff to get back to today if was just the two of you. >> were looking at embargoed document it's very hard to look at your rules for negotiations without knowing what was then that report. >> understand commissary. >> thank you. i am going to ask a few questions. i mandal tech geek, so i apologize if they don't see my questions you expected. but what is there any reason that she couldn't have come up

with this standard, for example, is it if you're producing at your cost airline for these folks to send out, t-1, t-3, whatever you send out, couldn't you have in fact specified had specific standards of limitations, but had reporting entities use their own dime to produce their own minds. is there any reason you could not have put the burden on, if you will, the editorial folks? >> mr. chairman, the way that the lockup is set up, but erred in a shared by. most of the burden carried by department of labor. >> is the cost of operating the lockup? what is the budget for that? >> there is no set budget. >> you don't know what it cost when you do lookups. juno at the cost of the sandia report was? >> i do. we entered into a memorandum of understanding.

we obligated a little over $184,000. we spent 70 of it. i think lewis spent probably 20 more in the next phase of this. >> contract performance where they come back and forth. >> and i will probably not use about 80,000 to 90,000 of that money. >> use which you need to be secure. i don't think anyone is disagreeing with that part. let me just ask a hypothetical. if you have private sector willing to spend their own money to move data, and mrs. burstein echo mcdata in which you don't use the bandwidth at all for hours and hours and then you need a tremendous amount and as was mentioned earlier, but a fairly catastrophic crash of your system. few private enterprise going to spend their money, would net from a tactical standpoint of protectors of the taxpayers, wouldn't it be better to put the burden on them whenever possible to pay their own way, rather

than propose that should the taxpayers pay for their dissemination of information? >> mr. chairman, one of things we explored the past month as better ways to we propose. as you well know in a much better place at the media organizations. i know there are some rules that we cannot accept. there were proposals by the media organization that would constitute a gift to the federal government and we couldn't accept that. but i think we are being created an innovative and balancing our security concerns with their business in public in their public responsibilities to find a solution. we can probably just come up with attacks. we just tax them, so i'm sure there's a creative way to do that. i may just close with a question that is most important for this hearing of why we wanted you here today. would you commit to this committee tuesday, the june 15

deadline, unless a final agreement is not? and then reset the deadline for this transition to a day sufficient to whatever's whatever is agreed to. in other words, here we are less than two weeks away. if you are to implement your vote today without change, it would be a very short period of time. quite frankly both ranking member and i would be concerned. would you agree to a growing stay a map of the negotiations both of you have said is that for a full so they can have confidence that it will in fact be, as i'm sure you've really wanted, and a mutual buy-in by the state and yourself? >> mr. chairman, i am very anxious for this to work and very anxious for you to have confidence in the security of our data and security of our processes, procedures and protocols. we are exploring that the media organizations pledging the

timeline a little bit where we can get some things done by july 6. who would prefer to appear the more we get done by july 6, but that are awful b. >> so translating that for both of us, we certainly are not asking. if you have anything agreed with and this get together with the press about, we have no problem with implementing. to the extent you have not resolved issues, could you stay and informed the committee in a periodic basis a few of the new date continue to negotiate additional items? >> i'd be very happy to. >> i go to the gentleman. >> i just want to say to mr. fillichio ecru is that the chairman just said. it seems like there's an issue of balance and it sounds like asking and could save. i just think it's the right thing to do to have that

flexibility can tell you can get done which you say you are wanting to get done. hst means seems -- i'm glad you said as she sat and i'm urging you to provide the flexibility so that nobody will be passed either one of say penalized because that's not right the way erred. but the inability to get this right out. i have full faith and confidence that it will be, but at the same time i think it is important that we give the media folks the comfort of knowing that they have room to do that without suffering any kind of undue hardship. >> i thank the gentleman. i thank you for your bearing with us on a hearing that uncommonly with somewhat on two unrelated, but related somewhat

subjects. it is not often, but thank you for being here for both of our hearings. we stand adjourned. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

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>> next, a commencement speech by new york city mayor, michael bloomberg. he spoke at the university of north carolina last month. his remarks are 20 minutes. [applause] >> power, tar, tar. forgive me, but i wanted to begin the smyrna by shouting something, but i knew what would happen if i started to shout and barbara carolina rob north carolina. [applause] i'm not positive note, good morning faculty, family, friends of the great classic 2012.

and i particularly wanted to thank chancellor thorpe in the u.n. board of trustees, including my friend and your fellow alum, peter growler for inviting me here. i also want to thank the president of the umc system, thomas roth and a former umc system, my old friend spangler could you should know into the habit business school just because neither of us could get antique umc. [laughter] i am thrilled to be standing here today, not only because umc is one of our country's oldest and greatest institutions. and actually thrilled to be standing here because it means they did not trip on the bricks walking over here. it is really treacherous out there. but i know this is only one of the many challenges to overcome on the way to your diplomas today. you had that out your way

through trying to find a parking place on campus. you've battled your way through trying to register for classes on connect carolina. you have battled through listening and helping james to attend class at grandmama rana and you've got it your way through many games of zombies and humans. now, i have to admit i'd never heard of that game, but it does sound like good preparation for anyone who will be moving to washington d.c. [laughter] you've survived it all and here you are. however, while this is a very special day for you graduates, before employing some of my valuable come indispensable words of wisdom, i would like to say something about another important group here today. they are sitting on this site here come the remain proudly,

not even thinking about what it costs to get to this day. or what happens if you can't get a job and have to move back home. i am talking about your parents and relatives. so why don't you give them a big hand. [applause] and since today is not only very special day here, but a very special day across our country, let me wish all the mothers here happy mothers day. [applause] been asked to speak a umc is really a team come true for me and i want this commencement speech to be different from any speech that is everything get them. and in light of recent events here at chapel hill, there is only one way to do that, so i

plan to slow jam a commencement address. [laughter] unfortunately, i couldn't convince grandma says to join me. but i'm still determined to make this memorable, so i did do a lot of research to put me fully and the unc groove. i've are declined the bell tower and sign my name. i have sat on the davie poplar bench. i have challenged chancellor thorpe to a rubik's cube context and got my whipped. i drank out of the old well for good luck. someone told me to be careful since some fraternity guys had just been there, but i went ahead anyways. and finally, i joined a/rave at the library. but i watched. and for the record, did not join

a group of speakers ran across the pitch into the cue ball and then sing the alma mater. it has been a great morning and i haven't even played a few rounds of senior bark off yet. so in any case, i am selling almost prepared for today's you graduates are. you've made it. you've done it. you've earned it. a name sure this week has been spent reliving memories and retelling stories and i know there'll be more more of that tonight. for right now, i want you to take a look around you and think not about where everyone has been, though. they are currently. the guy in front of you could win an academy award sunday. the girl behind you could be a future president of the united states or even better than that, the mayor of new york city. [laughter] the guy sitting to your right ear future nobel laureate. okay, maybe not the daddy rat, but certainly the one deer left.

there is no telling what the future holds. for you or for anyone else. this is an exciting time in your life. it's also make saving time in history. more than any other generation that has walked the earth, you are free to pursue your dreams, i'm bounded by limits placed on your race, gender, ethnicity, orientation or lineage. only a lack of education can hold you back in america and today declared that buyer. and you've done it at one of the finest institutions in the country. your freedom, coupled with the diploma you will receive today is something that people around the world would risk life and limb for. don't ever take it for granted. it has been won through suffering and sacrifice, they freedom fighters and freedom writers, by abolitionists and

suffragettes. it has been one of the ballot box and on the battlefield. and state houses and courthouses , the paths of victory has not always been straight for swift, but it has been sure and steady. and that has been the story of americas stretching back to our earliest days. at our nation's founding, african-americans were held in bondage. those without property could not vote. catholics could not hold office. women could not vote or hold office and homosexuality was his own place is a crime punishable by death. but over time, we understood that freedoms are not fully shared if not fully safe. if government can deny freedom to one, it can deny freedom to all. exclusion -- exclusion data

quality are mortal enemies and in america every time they've met in battle, a quality has trapped. [applause] throughout our history, each and every generation has its ended upon the freedoms won by their parents and grandparents. each and every generation has removed some to full participation in the american dream. the work is not over, far from it. and i would argue last week's referendum banning same-sex marriage shows just how much more work needs to be done to ensure freedom and equality for all people. [applause]

when the torch passes from one generation to the next, the light of liberty always shines brightly. and i have no doubt that in your lifetime, liberty slide will allow us to see more clearly the truth of our nation's founding principles and allow us to see all people as full and equal members of the american family. [applause] the progress that freedoms turn is making is only half of what makes this moment in history so exciting. the other half is symbolized by something you are probably holding in your hand or pocket right now, your phone. the smartphone is arguably the greatest invention in the world has ever seen. the reason is simple. activex faces technology. whether you're building an outdoor wedding review and kelp

or checking out foursquare, you are making the computer and everyone who uses it smarter. since the dawn of time within sharing knowledge with each other, but today knowledge is being shared globally and as quickly as been discovered individually. that revolution in computer-based communications for starting government laboratories and steve jobs garage and the little office i rented 30 years ago is now being led to the masses. what do you like it or not, computer nerds have one. we are computer nerds now. the creation of the smartphone is the most visible symbol of the technological revolution were experiencing. but it's happening all around us. and every industry the speed of innovation is moving at a taking pace. you can see just on the road research triangle park. you see them for the con valley and boston, mass. and often, texas. all of us are homes to great

universities are paying eric is being done in good jobs are being created. in new york city we joined forces with cornell university and carnegie mellon as for the institute of technology in israel and universities in canada, u.k. and india to develop world-class applied science and engineering campuses. one of the future of the global economy is tied to the discoveries made by university educated researchers and if those discoveries happen in new york city, we know the companies spinoff from mammal starred in new york city. now, i have no doubt that many of you here today will be a part of the discovery. your work will shape understanding of the world, every day from origins of the universe to a cure for cancer. but the nonscientists here come the u2 will have an important job to play. you business and finance majors may be providing the capital for discoveries to be brought to market. education in journalism majors may be writing or teaching about this discoveries.

nursing in premed students may be tacking to patients about them. a new feature lawyers come against lawyers always have to be involved in everything we do, you'd be needed to protect patents and of course find out that their lawyers. the technology revolution that is reshaping our understanding of the world and the freedom that she joined to pursue your trains are complementary, which is why i've mentioned both of them. they reinforce each other. the more we learn, the freer we will be in the freer we are, the more people learn. lux, liberties, life and liberty is the motto at your university. and that i believe will be the defining spirit of the 21st century. the more lightly spread on a miniature of the world, the more we advance knowledge in science and technology the more liberty we will spread. in fact, i would argue that technological revolution that is

now underway will not only be our most powerful weapon in the fight against poverty and disease, it will be our most powerful weapon in the fight against repression and intolerance because where there is way, they're pretty gross and where liberty is, life flows. [applause] now, and is set to all of you and your own wait to take what you have learned here and spread light and liberty wherever you go. that may sound like a daunting task and i understand if you're thinking sure, i'll be happy to do that once i find a job, but whether you have a job lined up for still featuring out your next step, don't impeach you scratch your career all figured out. no plan for the rest of your life ever works out the way you thought it would. for example, i was an engineering major who went to business school and hope that someday of running a factory which any nothing about.

i got the nba took an entry-level job in the financial services industry, which i knew nothing about. 15 years later he got fired and started a and started a company in another industry any nothing about. information technology. twenty-second that i ran for mayor even though i knew nothing about politics. some people say it's ago. you don't need a grand plan. whatever plan you do have is probably going to change 100 times before you were 30 years old. you don't need to be an expert in something to try it. so what then do you need to do? okay i'm going to tell you, but really all i'm going to do is remind you of a few things throughout a larger just by watching carolina basketball. [cheers and applause] for us, make career decisions the same lisa letcher tournament bracket. follow your heart and go with your gut. to which you love, find a way to get paid for it and if you have

the luxury of multiple job offers, don't make a decision based on salary alone. i know when i was starting out i turned on the job with a higher salary because i had a good feeling about the people at another firm and it was one of the best decisions i ever made. your god will always be right. for example, who knew and see state would make the sweet 16? [laughter] but you'll sleep better at night if you go with your gut. second, outhustled the competition. when i started my first job out of college, i made sure of is the first one at the office every morning and the last one to leave. not only did it save me the price of "the wall street journal" because they just grab the office copy, it allowed me to get to know the firm's partners. woody allen once said 80% of success is showing up. i actually think he got it half right. 80% of success is showing up early and staying late. third, you occasionally have to throw some of those.

it's true. it's rough out there no matter what profession you ran. of course in most professions you don't break your wrist driving to the basket, thankfully. but the world is competitive. i've been in the business world and i've been a government and people ask me all the time what is the difference? i always tell them the business world is dog eat dog and government is exactly the reverse. [laughter] don't be afraid to assert herself. have confidence in your abilities and don't let the get you down. [cheers and applause] fourth, teamwork is everything. i could never build my company that through brilliant as they started it with whatever success had achieved if the results from surrounding mess up the most talented people it find.

the innovations that are coming out of the research triangle park in silicon valley and new york city are all built on teamwork. the person who works the hardest and works of others the best comedy since we and i was and doesn't use the words i and me as the person who will win. fifth, don't be afraid to shoot the long ball. take the risk. life is too short to spend your time avoiding failure. if i had worried about failure or listen to those who do, would never start my company a run for mayor. i can imagine my life if i had taken those risks. at every risk to work out, but that is okay. failure is the world's best teacher. sixth, never stop studying but the competition is doing a never stop learning. education is a lifetime journey. when you need these files, keep asking questions. keep acquiring knowledge. keep seeking truth.

don't let party labels blind you. no party in government has a monopoly on truth or god on its side. and i should know. i was a democrat before of his republican, before i became independent and i never changed my principles. i have enormous respect for your former president and my friend, erskine bowles, because he's always put hypnotism ahead of partisanship and i hope all of you will do exactly that. he does deserve a round of applause. [applause] think for yourself. decide for yourself, even if it's not popular or if it runs the county line. and now, the seventh and final piece of advice i have is in the game of life on the final buzzer sounds, the only stat you carry

with you is the number of the made to help other people put some points on the board or a speakeasy might say, don't be slow to ditch the rock. there is nothing more reporting than making a difference in the lives of others. i have learned that firsthand, both through philanthropy and public service. give what you can. your time, your talents, your money and i promise you'll never forget it. now, i know u.s. remembered every single word of that, but just in case, i thought i would provide a summary of the seven in no particular order. teamwork is everything. assist others. risks are necessary. the first three letters of those words are t. a hour. i wonder where this is going. hustle always, all those occasionally have to be used.

education is a lifelong journey. love what you do. and if you put that list together, and of course spells tar heel. >> before you receive your diploma and they've have other piece of wisdom to share. when hurricanes coming your life, and may well come on the desk again about whether god is latino review, just remember that not only did you see an ncaa basketball championship during your time here -- [cheers and applause] , but in your senior year coming to class in the first round to a 15 seed. [applause] so you know there is a god of hair and that carolina blue sky. congratulations and good luck.

[applause] >> governor bob mcdonnell talks to students at christopher newport, university. his remarks are about 15 minutes. [cheers and applause] >> good morning. thank you so much for that very warm welcome and thank you for being in charge of the diplomas and putting me in charge of the weather. i appreciate that very much. ..

>> now, you students, while you are applauding, you may be graduating with a degree, but i want to warn you, you better still listen to your mother. she's got great advise. oh, and by the way, to all of you parents, congratulations, you get a pay raise today. i felt it yesterday as my daughter walked across the stage in virginia tech. we got a couple hokies here, all right. that's good.

well, your vision to transform christopher knewport university -- newport university focused on smaller classrooms, individualized attention from professors, and the world class facilities we see here today is now becoming a reality. as we celebrate the 50 years now of christopher newport university with the very first commencement here on the great lop, i think we can all personally witness the transformation that's taken place during your 16 years as president of this university. i want to say to all of you understand this is the best and brightest and best looking class ever in the history of the university, mr. president; is that right? [cheers and applause] i understand there's some of you who actually got a 4.0, and i just -- well, i have to tell you when i was at notre dame, i got a 4.0 myself, one year. i got a 2.0 the first semester,

and a 2.0 the second semester. it was not that hard. i had a great year that year. i want to congratulate you on your academic success here. i know this speech is the last obstacle between you and your degrees. we learn from the gettysberg address that good speeches are five minutes long. mine will not be much longer. i have a few simple truths to offer to you today that i hope you may remember for your consideration as you go autointo an increasingly global, but also an increasingly complex world. it's been 36 years now since i walked out of my school, but the same general rules of life that have led to happiness and fulfillment, from the invention of a good press to still today

are still pretty much the same, even though this speech today can be listened to on an ipad in beijing. the world's changed, but the rules of success have largely stayed the same. here are those rules. number one, life is incredible precious. it passes by far too quickly. during your time here, use all of your unique god-given talents, and serve one another as that's the true measure by which your life will be judged. follow the golden rule. number two, this is a great state and a great nation made up of very good people who workdayly to get remarkable things done. our future success depends directly on your personal commitment and involvement to keep it that way. number three, if you work hard, dream big, if you're honest, if you pursue opportunity, you can

still be anything you want to be in the united states of america, the greatest country on earth. [cheers and applause] let me now explore those rules in some detail. first, life is precious. serve one another. last year, i went to to the funeral of an officer, a virginia tech police officer killed in the line of duty. you may have heard his story. i visited with his wife, his five children, his brothers, his sisters, parents, they were devastated. even if those darkest hours, they knew officer krauss died doing what he loved doing, and that was to serve the students at virginia tech. there was a military veteran who died in a routine traffic stop on campus at virginia tech.

his brother asked me to read something at the memorial service, and he wrote these words. he said, "derek lived and gave his life to serve others who were in need." i would say to you, we need more of those in virginia. let me tell you another story of another remarkable virginian. steve calhoun. he followed in the family's tradition and joined the army, served in iraq with the 101st airborne division. while on patrol, his humvee was hit by a grenade, and he lost both legs below the knee. e greeted him at the governor's mansion years ago, and he told me about his months of recovery and what he thought would be a prospect of life in a wheelchair, but he chose a different path. he taught himself how to ski,

became a spokesman for wounded veterans around the country and by sheer will power, he got out of the chair every day, competed in multiple sports events using prosthetic legs, and won numerous medals in track events. that's perseverance. while at the governor's mansion, he told me this, and i'll never forget -- "i was proud to go to ike, and i gave my best for my country. that's what's expected out of americans." that's amazing. [applause] the class of 2012, my point is that they used their precious time and great skills and their perseverance to do good on this earth to serve their fellow citizens. right now, all across virginia, people are doing remarkable things like that every day. they are giving their best for

their fellow man. hundreds of people volunteer at the local food bank like many of you have volunteered. thousands of police officers patrol neighborhoods protecting others. many work in jails. others get involved in their church or synagogue or their mosque. many join the military. some teach. many serve in state or local or federal governments, but my point is that many are called to service and do it well. i believe that receiverring others is -- serving others is truly the highest calling one can have in one's life. in fact, the scriptures report that jesus told his disciples that the greatest among themfuls the servant of all. i say to you, class of 2012, be great, serve others. because when you give generously, you will receive far more in return. it's been said that it is, in fact, those countless acts of

service and sacrifice that is the hallmark of american greatness, and i agree with that. number two, this is a great nation. you need to get involved. there's an old add damming that says -- addage that says america is good. class of 2012, you graduate now into the most free, most prosperous, most just, most vibrant nation on earth with the greatest gdp and most entrepreneurial minds in all of the planet. it's something we should celebrate every day as americans. i can tell you in the 236 years since the second governor of virginia, thomas jefferson wrote the declaration of independence, we have only been as strong as a nation as the measure by which

our people have been involved in and cared about this nation. edward burke said it this way, all this takes for evil to try triumph is for good men or women to do nothing. in other words, democracy is not a spectator sport. the great country you have today will only be that way with your direct caring and involvement. in 2012, my daughter today who is here with us, introduced earlier, was serving as a platoon leader in iraq. in that year, 70% of the voters in iraq, after 25 years of terneny, -- tyranny, came to the polls to vote, and they had had to worry about snipers and ieds and oppression. yet in the same year, i was running for attorney general, only 45% of the people in virginia cared enough to come out and vote for their governor,

lieutenant governor, and attorneys general. i tell you that's unacceptable. that's not alive and vibrant democracy. many people your age today, graduates, are serving in korea, in germany, in afghanistan, in iraq, in places around the country, and so i tell you, stand up for them. honor their commitments by standing up for the american ideals. learn, serve, vote, make a difference. [applause] while you're standing up for those ideas, let me make a plea for this. do it passionately, but civilly. i can tell you you can turn on tomorrow morning's news on cnbc or cnn or fox or any other station, and you'll see at any moment the talking heads talking about the ideas of the day; arch

times talking over or -- often times talking over or around one another. it's no wonder you young people get turned off of politic. i don't think it has to be that way. we, whether you're republicans or democrats, believe passionately in what you believe in, but in a way that honors the traditions of our nation because the fact is while it doesn't get much coverage, there are great people every day that work in government and business and education and the other institutions of america that are quietly getting important and big things accomplished. no political party has a monopoly on virtue or patriotism. we all care deeply about america. i say so you, decide what you believe in, and then go make a difference and work for our country. the future of america does

depend on you getting involved. finally, number three, work hard, dream big. america's an amazing land of opportunities, not guarantees. that's the secret of our success for these couple centuries. think of your founder. captain christopher newport. the captain of the expedition, 405 years ago this monday, landed just down the road here in jamestown, virginia giving birth to the great town and to the united states of america. i can tell you for him, there were no guarantees crossing that ocean, just an opportunity that king james gave him to found this new world. many of you, as you walk across the stage will have already found those opportunities. many of you may still be searching. let me tell you the words of

frances bacon. a wise man or woman will make more opportunities than he finds, and it's true. when i was in your seat 36 years ago, all i knew it i was going to go into the army. i had no idea an average, middle class kid from fairfax coupe would grow up to have the same job as jefferson and patrick henry, the governors of virginia. it's a great country, isn't it? [cheers and applause] so it doesn't matter whether your first job is president of a company or the salesperson for the company or the receptionist for the company. what i tell you is your duty is the same. work hard, and do the very best you can do in that first job because if you do that, people will recognize your effort, will reward your effort, and new

opportunities will come. i can tell you that most of your opportunities come because of your character and your ability to get things done. character does count. results and values do matter. again, let me give you the words of tom moc jefferson -- thomas jefferson talking on character. he said god formed us as moral agents to promote the happiness with those whom he placed us in society by acting honestly towards all, benevada by those who fall in our way. i believe that the world is hungry, even desperate for people, for leaders of character with a heart for service to others. go and be those leaders. the scriptures say to whom has been given, much will be

expected. you have been given much here at christopher newport university. you have learnedded from and been mentored from some of the great faculty in all of the commonwealth so you much is expected. you've been trainedded for excellence so do not deliver mediocrity. don't make excuses. make things happen. now as i close, i got one last request for you as governor of virginia. i know you're going to have many opportunities. maybe some around the country and around the world. i want to humbly ask you this. no matter where you came from, today you're here in virginia. if you're going to create something big, create it in virginia. if you're going to open a business, open it in virginia. if you're going to be a great artist or a doctor or a teacher or professor or lawyer or counselor or whatever it may be,

do it in virginia. we want to keep your talents and your dreams in virginia. we want you to pay taxes in virginia. thank you, students, for your hard work these last four years or five years or six years. you've gotten to this day with the love and support of your families, your parents, and members of the board, the president, the faculty, many have loved and nurtured you to get you to this day, so i say to you, go be great, go make a difference, go captains. god bless you. [cheers and applause] >> now baltimore mayor gives a commencement speech in st. mary's, maryland. her remarks are about 10 minutes.

[applause] >> good morning. i can say i have never seen a group of people more excited about a green door. [laughter] thank you very much for inviting me to speak to you on this absolutely beautiful day. i was promised by you know president there would be a few people from baltimore. anybody from baltimore here? [cheers and applause] thank you very much. now my nerves are gone. there's hometown folks in the crowd. so today as a culmination, not just of the last four years, but of the lifetime of hard work for the students who are here today. after a celebration, i promise the students a commencement address of no less than 90 minutes. [laughter] i intend to keep my word, so get comfortable. [laughter] to the graduates, i want to

congratulate you on completing your undergarage watt education. each and every one of you are about to join a very distinguished fraternity. my dear friends. and colleagues, 2006 graduate of st. mary's reminds me a degree from st. mary's is not an average degree. he says that more than i would like to hear about. [laughter] it's a degree from maryland's public honors college that comes with the increased level of responsibility of caring for the tradition of excellence of those who have come before you and carried that degree into the real world. 50 days ago i had the pleasure and meeting and speaking with you at jr. -- your 50-day celebration and had dinner with your class president and student trustee.

i must say as they embody the spirit of your entire class and our future is in great hands. as i made the trip back from baltimore that evening, it was clear to me that you all are extremely well-prepared to move on to the next chapter in your lives whether it be the real world or furthering education. i was also very impressed with your collective awareness of the global situations of today. i was told then, and i completely understand now that it is all a part of what is called the st. mare -- st. mary's way. caring for the environment is just an important part of the culture the day your shoes made it into the shoe tray. [laughter] being socially cognizant is no less a part of the st. mary's culture than midnight breakfast. it's a complete education that will ensure that you are well-prepared for the challenges of the world that await you. make no mistake.

the world you are about to enter is totally different than the world i entered after graduating. our country, state, and city still struggling with the great recession. families throughout the great state have to tighten their belts as they struggle with increased costs and decreased income. individuals are struggling to find and keep work; however, despite these challenges, our spirit remains strong. as mayor of baltimore, i see firsthand of the result of an entire city, even while the economy endured the great recession that damaged our economy, obama has held its own. our public schools test skers and graduates are rising while dropout rates falling. crime dropped to levels not seen since the 1970s. neighborhoods are magnets for new investment, and now as the country pulls out of the recession, we can see and feel that baltimore's best days are

ahead of us. i would love for you to be a part of that future too. i'm humbled to serve as the mayor of baltimore. it's my home. baltimore is in me and with me wherever i go. in my lifetime, our city has gone through tremendous changes, people in businesses have left. entire industries disappeared. our schools fell into disrepair, and drug addiction ravaged once proud neighborhoods. despite this, we held on to and built some of our strengths. our harbor is home to great attractions and anchor of the tourism industry. we are home to great educational institutions and research institutions, and our port is growing and out paces the peers along the east coast. the hospitals serve people from all over maryland and all over the globe. without pillars of growth,

baltimore might have lost more population, and as important as the physical pillars are, there's another pillar that kept people from leaving, and that is love. baltimore's a kind of city that has a special kind of devotion. every neighborhood is unique. the people who stay for all of these years always believed that baltimore's best days are yet to come. there is no quit in them. their love for baltimore compels them to safeguard and uphold what is good. none of us are willing to give up on our great city and as mayor, i owe it to the city of baltimore to improve on key areas. better schools, safer streets, and stronger neighborhoods. this commitment to the fundmentals is how we're going to hold on to our residents and grow the city by 10,000 families in the next ten years. our plan to grow baltimore is as

much about atracking people like you, if this sounds like a commercial, as it is holing on to families already there. last year, obama -- baltimore ranked as the new college city for college grads and 9th best city to find a job. does that appeal to any of you? [cheers and applause] in the 1990s, as the national economy grew, people made investments in communities in federal hill, point, and patterson park, they had homes, and decks were popping up all over the place. houses were up dependencive, and the neighborhoods were close to business as well as great night life. we had a problem. we couldn't keep them. unlike people in other parts of the city sticking with baltimore, think or thin, these young people got married, had kids, and moved away going to neighboring gurs dibs not for the --

jurisdictions not for the lower cost of living, but the crime pushed them away. the city is focused on doing everything and making the financial -- the city has become focused on doing everything, promising everything, and making financial promises that it could not keep. it could not do the most important things well. while the real estate boom generated revenues, it just masked the area's problem. now, in 2012, there's signs that baltimore is headed in the right direction. investment builds on the progress by making baltimore better, safer, and stronger. we can make the argument with young people and convince them to come to baltimore and to stay. we can help people like you see that baltimore's best days are ahead, and that you can be a part of our pillars of growth. we need committed and educated young people in baltimore right now. your experience has given you the confidence to make bold

decisions like that. st. mary's gave you the skills to adapt to an ever-changing economy, and the tools to re-invent yourself and to lead in the 21st century and stay on the cutting edge. i know the day is probably daunting for many of you, but i have 20 say there's no -- to say there's no reason to be overwhelmed. abraham lincoln said the best thing about the future is that it comes one day at a time. with each new day comes a new challenge to overcome and a new opportunity to embrace and drive forward, a new future to shape and to make your own. as i look at these proud garage watts today, -- graduates today, i see leaders who will be willing to make these bold decisions, leaders unafraid to ask what's next. leaders with the courage to constantly adapt and change themselves for the better. leaders ready to meet tough challenges and seize new

opportunities. baltimore and the world needs a new generation like you. in fact, we're banking on it. st. mary's gave us the world's youngest councilman, brandon scott, you you can join him among great leaders. at times, it's tough and you'll find yourself asking as we all do at all times in our life, did i make the right decision? you did. you are prepared to make it through the tough times. your complete liberal arts exprepared you to take on challenges of all kinds. not just in your long nights or working on the smp, but also the time spent with your classmates. now, before i close, i must ask a few things of your entire class, and when the president asked this of you a little while

ago, i'm thinking that maybe you were not warmed up yet so first, the first thing i asked is that you please stand and give your parents and your family a round of applause and the educators here for all that they have done to help you to get to the day now. [cheers and applause] now that's a round of applause. [applause] thank you. now that is a round of applause. i also ask you to look to your right and to your left. all right. promise me that you will continue so support your classmates as you move throughout life, and as you all work to make our world a better

place. i got to call on the way to the commencement today, and you will, i'm sure -- you know, it doesn't matter how old you are or mayor of a big city, your mom still tells you what to do, and my mother, as she knew i was headed here to give this address, she said, you have to tell them a few things. i'm only going to tell you one of the things. [laughter] my mother's advice to you, and i get a lot of advice from my mother. she's an incredible woman, a retired pediatrician who went to the university of maryland medical school back in the 60s at a time where women at all, let alone women of color, were attending medical school, and she's been a tremendous asset to me. [cheers and applause] so she has one piece of advice. she says that you must commit yourself to a life of