ientist. it iasubbih lkia why science reacted to it. they let pseudoscience mass on. they felt the need to talk about it. he looks about the reception of the box and talking about how teewiieesut scientific inquire something that is discussed in convsation about climate change and evolution. >> west we've been talking with kerry ada ursof methewtitscog ou to 2012. he recounts america's many am churl and vetters from ecitdm zuckerberg. this is about 45 inutes.

itaeou start asking yourself who i am and why i am here? 16, 17, automatic my friends claimed to be, you know, i did send ens ofrere thliha id hrdheamily house that we had many famous relatives. i begn to ask my mother about it. my mother grew exhausted with the pestering nd sen me ts

etrit i arrived at the home a summer day. after iced tea i was presented with a ladies and large sheet of paper. t mte tenr, swe m umcevidna she wrote my two parent and the next circle she wrote the names my four grandparts. we filled out. in that area where her family and minonge seglndee through backyard until my ancestors were hob knobbing with may queeof scotts. this line point togetheie y to share will main. it was too much past to absorb

and too much pride toprocess. i wanted to ask her what hma haftntll he l urs, you are the direct send end of the king. the room felt still as the est sth ppivsehleb , ed o say, i cut a swath through charleston, i became depth of dropping this nvtimouse-snpng ash as forks north of here saying i lived in came bridge for awhile. [laughr] and, you know, histo matters to all of s, we're sort of am url ng l i was elevated to

majority leader of the senate. he self-published a book the title cries out as much with the anxiy as it does with pride. this is the book's title,"gd pe g people." the truth is, the anxiety can ner be quelled. almost three years after i had tea with her i was in a college calculus class when the eacher rgme a point aboutain ec tveexm redundancy affected gene yolings in a process called pedigree collapse. the number of ancestors you would haven average isa tron 'salf which is more than 5,000 times the number of people who ever existed on the planet. how he asked could it be?

well, when one goes back in t o,ne ancestors ofato assume duplicate places. it creates all kinds of crowding problems. number one has by ad1200 is ju ov68lo hm oheaatt time. beyond the year, the whole thing started to collapse inward and rapidly inloads into the smaller population. pld,lyryot the teacher, n m, adaor emphasis, to be the direct decent of char will main. [laughter] the roomelti er creeped about me

laughing. the math mall call distinction the teacher added would be not ce have him as the direct iststeki in i o a me to a host of anxieties about identity and history. and i stumbled into through this the story o kennyick an. wefoastoontb ca amateur archeologist was the first to get it. he laid it on the table and to the first press person who got within earshot. he announced the skeleton had, quiud] the one single word rolled down the hill of our modern media and turned into one of the greatest snowballs of amateur genologist

ermazith-y. orw ere now appeared to be a prenative american population on the continent. a caulk-- the common assumptio today hat thoilrrd eaddate back about 12,000 years. that's around the time that we think asian populations cross through alaska and arrid here d became native americans. these people areaui0ts wo soggthwa they arrived and some of them lived overlapped and died, the skeleton is about 8,000 years old. lived a ew thousand years in the newerbreng ed isont took so much got so

much traction the new yorker had an article about this, "times," news week, everything did one. all them playi off t cl t weli poti whtarted looking into this. it turned into he enormous hoopla. the native american india z have a right to claim any skeleton that is over few hundred ar d. thietcm,w t ur a s ec oe it might not be a native american. despite as you may know, all the way i think it was rejecte by e supremurbut wt winy rsede sif e scientist. they took the skeleton ten years ago, and i believe you'll find it in th box that india jones has at the end of the movie.

ateedabtheotrdomit features. no reply. no answer. and the truth is, that with single word, i went and askedan an hlo w me and a yale professor told me, it is a more scientisty sounding word for caulk indication. omt scfnd thisuat mistaking and errors exploded. i start with with that story because i want to bfrank olishmoatea mo aaskses and most amateurism is extremely

amateurish. but some amateurism, and i e bo that iatedt wr ok ounat i ed unlock all the keys and write that book so i could, you know, unpack the word but all back together and i would be a great boy. i dnrihaohers wanted hat bo ofr es tatoob every six months. right. it's abut innovation, creativity, i think communication is one of the big things, always. but what i found was that, you know, sortolrado oly cmnat had. i'm reminderred about the jefferson's word i'm a great believer in ck. the harder i work the more i have. i followed the story, i realized in te cuntry atsm s

y held rtsplqit in part because we have such an amateur -- we have a nation began in a kind of amateurism. i found that instead of sort breaki down wha creativity was. what i fouas ay anc d eoseanan anrbin to the various rehab it holes i found that are thrilling. for example, i was researching synthetic biology. waonoftmag fay wordfor boards. a couple of the folk was talking about the amateur biology in san francisco who was trying to insert the glow in the dark ewocivig i alsha the dark yogurt. okay. i called around a little bit and

i found her. she's meredith patterson pushing 10"inh. ig ped tti to finish off the lookwith the '50s. on the way to trader joes to extrand dna. we talked about the tattoos all rela er ens he. ris a sword of the favorite anna may story. in keeping it tight end company gns ersntcfre falris, quote, a young man who stands alone in a field full of flowers unaware of anything arod him other thanthe golden coins. he shows me the glow rk

man her freezer. i thought it would be cool, she said. he imagined how great it would be to go to a rave with glow sticks you eat. vi insert the ge,ll d lt involves exposes the sample to 250 volts a standard wall socket i 120 vos. la blgn frroom. her first -- and it was a salad bowl. the ink key bay or it is a tateri cos from astroglide, the sex lube. when i visited other biohackers they told me they used store

bought stuff there'srilliantual rvn t aas eu ro the sex lube while they are forcing around with enemas. [laughter] i'm not sure i want to ponder the distinctions long enough. so later on by the way, int d up lights and in half of the building. but these one of the things i found out was that meredith and others i interviewed around the country are part of the bikipna etuni upn vus ct a fr clin one just opened in new york. there was a piece about it in the paper. th first one was in boston that i within the to visit. now they're popping up in all the cities. bbt bst okto,

as a great rich merican tradition of the clubs. it goes back almost to the beginning. you emember just recently we all learned about steven jobs and hi carrw hme pur ub at tluhe '70s. in the '0eus and '90s it was robotics club. i spent a lot of time with the hard fort roboics club. ..

on the way. there will be some story that will set off some kind of panic among ople w k ver and probably these clubs will be targeted in that way. here are the kids trying to do it rht and creating rules of the road and ways of doing things and creang their o y ago when i first underwriti the discarded writing uncovered a lot of computer hacking and there is a huge panic that grew out of that. they will crash the phone system and take over -- war gas. gesienn. maf ou n yk rresnd

imprisoned. these were the ones who were trying to do it right. the ones who were stealing your credit cards the what never touched them. the low hanging fruit is easier to go aft.la touched them. the low hanging fruit is easier to go after. we had this wonderful moment when the amateurs were convening in their clubs, somehow in t ttthra, i fear the best intentions of these kids coming together in these clubs will be misconstrued by somoverzealous prosecutor and we will hear another veron or an,chf se chapters what i found was amateurism is sort of gathers around some sense of

playfulness. don'knowow eto item tt ce iked tpeop. there was something charming and lovely about going to a gage and pursuing some idea without any efft to produce anything he tn ma din. even have done these studies and many managers trying to bottle this sort of not feeling the pressure of business yk ac o cat even the threat a er k o higher creativity than being paid. this playfulness is something everyone has tried to bomb 0. in this countryt has always had a kecialua en lisry we were always thought of as

amateur everything. we were amateur politicians obviously by europes, even amateur people. i was stuedind t cso of senfic attitudes in europe about americans is the vapors of the atmosphere here made us small, weaker, made the menesvi and the women smaller and the way snake fedn north america s l bonhe unhinge his jaw and wait for one of our spastic squirrels to fall into its mouth. there'a famous event at a dinner where franklin was there with a bunch o other aricans and this came up. e ehermangfsn

anan a tall man asked all the americans to stand up and almost every arican was six fe tall and all the gallic men were much smaller people. it didn't endhe conveation.lwhan thmi narrative reinforces this idea that we start from scratch. is part of our cultural dna. one ofhe otherhaers in thbook aomla lo shea if it nazi germany and came to americ the ben franklin paper.

president truman started these scholarship rks for the presidential papers. hamilton was at columbia. satth corner and was ignored for 20 years. after 20 yea of reading this franklin stubbs she realized she had given opinions abouten franklin and started to write bo stve o --ld guess -- would tell you ben franklin was a great womanizer with an insatiable sexual appetite and basically wasted half a year in france instead of giving money tthe revolutio sofyi cssit naked

women in bathtubs. . that was true but she made the case that was overwrought interpretation by a bchf wheeyuyro n. that was interpreted as his rapaciousness of. she was a sort of self invented scholar. one of our great franklin scholars. i come to that at the end ag a le franklin f and this idea of amateurism. when jefferson wrote white, liberty and propertyhat would ghthtun yourear the we'tw suute knennkdded to jefferson's declaration and so did adamas but ben probably went through for stylistic weeks. i like to think he put that in.

we don't know for sure but he wrot a lot about happiness. he wrote aboutow child in boston would lie on his back and atgesoompein by his kite.moerlyt erseof child at play drifting about pulled by a kite. other images a good bit more famou the most famous image from the foundi yeaa. balyisro ds w toue lightning. several believe the story of the kite and the key on the string is also a probable fabrication. i am one of tho people. frankl hiven away his blng iasndetng

others, europeans prove his theory by setting up electrical rods. and to put one's knuckle near the rod during a freak thderstorm after noon and if the cloude cedith tr pa wo f icicntse stic electricity and that was proven in europe. proven too well in st. petersburg when a swedish scientist his knuckle near abroad when a bolt olightning ruck and he was killed. thmo ktoasneatnkold la no tim allegedly performed the experiment. is only witness was his son. franklin's are count is unusually vague. my suscion is franklin feared the discovery of electricity was his reesacevemenwhic e iery bks d h proper credit. he made claim to the achievement not by setting out the details of his experiment. the accounts are vague. he put in the minds of all of us

an imageore t scli o tus mpsehis own writing of history by conjuring the world's first photo op. he did it by invoking an image that is both playful and aclle e amr'isirfliy th emblem of the lightness of being where creativity thrives. it can be american. it is american. not out of nationalist pride but because this sense of our undi andhe ier o odrndr tome he we lgrliie speech and assembly and due process and trial by jury the one that goes and stated is the volutionary decision to abandon one's past and one's self and culture a t lky ethg at onheert t repressive nation for this new

place or at the back door for the garage. that is freedom. the story evyone who lives here and everyone who comes here recognizes as true. thatr'dre amandream. thank you. [applause] >>ak. ou ior some reason you don't want to be part of the c-span program make that known. >> parole officerson qioor jack. >> anybody have one? go ahead.

nit fst a. >> ts is sports jacket but thank you. >> writers are amateurs too as they comup with ideas. in your acknowledgements you talk abo howt e thge fd topics. i am curious. how many years between your last book and this one? >> decades is the time frame you u ud scdedor. between that book and this one? >> just inhis? >> getting other book ideas. >> always curious what are the book ideas? in do some of them. i will say that somebody said

this whole book is an autobiography. a maive self justification for etofelng re working for a living. >> i am very interested in laf eln ee crvindngd it or being an amateur -- i wonder if you have some ideas h atdgment and criticismce whe inpa ththre more subject to be criticized for their work is more readily judge. there is a lot of talk about ju. wi with meredith i

noted that everything in her lab she invented. even what you used to cultivate ri gng zi a ho ke that stuff. so she wasn't spending tons of money going to labs to buy it. because everything she had on the table was hers when anything ceitlgn'ev is nother step toward success. we must fail 25 times trying to insert that into the bacteria. we stayed up 36 hrs straight e n f by any of this. the nice thing about not being under the gun of a paycheck is

there is no sense of failure. you are liberated from that. and workplace if you failou arre oyouane. thhrisre e fs periment and i will ask paul to tell me about it. a famous experiment and vital describe it broay. they gave an assignmen t dr tdr sothg. creativity was a function of the environment and they gave certain ildren stars indicating they had done well and on the second round the children who gta we usmeno h a direction. the action had a point. a cause and effect and that lowered their enthsiasm to be as invenve as the kids who were nd by that.

as edward has done a ton of work on intrinsic motivation, how people want to do something. there are corrate tricks erheicix at it used to hover around times square. circular bicycle with six feet invented by a european ceo trying to get his vice president t thil a aor ofrd s t creative. it was about trying to take that sense of playfulness out of exhausted and weary vice presidents or you probably know about the dress down fridays omps w he filtonv stuff and not necessarily give the results to the company. the idea is to create that brought sins and the work place.

eredvantages to tohi amateurism. un guided amateurism and guided by pfessionalism as the catastrophe on talking about with charlemagne. where you see th work well as with some kind of interaction anal ho d how you how several centuries long relationship between backyard astronomers and sy uc fversity and that has been yo t garage and have no connection to anyone outside you tend towards perpetual motion machines. you te to bece the e trca.o crane who has t fuhagets00 mes to

the gallon. but if you stake connected to reality which is difficult these ybelse?tan be moreodti. two people. >> when do you think -- money aside, the gym for ffing. he issblca hgo the money aside windows one cease to become an amateur and who is that decided by? i can imagine you going on cayo he written a book.a you mentioned sibley debunked the woodpecker. >> hardly an amateur. >> aorll dp

t w nest of contradiction. one of the difficulties is trying to figure out what the word means. it does mean to law. comes from latin the personal r ney. ovenoh rsn. in europe it has a very specific narrow sense of being a nonprofessional. but he if you look it up in the dictionary w say -- if i t olct ynef amaur k wa ar you would think they were a good art collector. device and someone was a rank amatr you would say who was that sething. if you say someone was amateurish it means they are a

novice. part of the reason there are conflicting meetings is americans feel so conflicted about our amateur status. we love to be recognized because we don't have except for the university the kind of institutions europe and joys of beabo le me se ars evroiou a but in mind we have lots of awards. if you get to be my age and you haven't won one you might want to try another el r n anxiety about being amateurs. i have also written about one of the first acts of success that happens afte someone has made it past amateurisms

r amateur past. the guy who discored the viking ruins basically set back the te of european arrival by 500 years. as totcrk. tught the jews saile mexico 2,000 years ago. he was looking for evidence of that. he had a number of crackpot theories that happened to be right about th one. endi tbiy lawyer from nway. fantastic. he was the greatest archaeologist of our time and had all these honorary degrees from great and find iversities. like an end the wizard of oz. what you lack is a credential. so i think -- i don't know where

one passes from amateurism to e cea sma th. obviously no one considers david sibley and amateur anything. one of the great painters alive right now. in that particular flight about the cornell citing, david was lyak tacat h t hime the field look at birds which made him more of an expert than the expes. ie.dotgh i ma h o ngetngyte see and they saw it. they videotaped it. now that it is over we now see even in this most expert enonpe b

almost missed the parts of every one of these moments. always involves a fuzzy picture. ckstwdpecker video, blurred.gfpy stayolidce that is just enough to set off a cognitive triggers if that is what you want to see. always vague footprints or whatever. ou s rdiofdpecker it washe yt can make that noise. then you had the mass hysteria. you had seven credentialed experts from cornelln a secret ss tno k reresso e that no one thinks exists and they all saw it and in a couple weeks period and after that no one ever saw it

again and it took three years of completely un did all of the findings, and some kind of ahere affiliated. and to construct, and how the screaming banshee amateurs arrived later and in this cas riuleaow igck the one that preceded but one thought of the amateurs and joband success, the other end of the ou nknd do ath

different about what fills in the spectrum of what people want to get at? >> all of the start with the dheyeldanike a paleobiology us to was kind of annoyed and the computer was draining batteries. why don't we haveireless battery, ne m pe shnt to that authoritative source of expert engineering known as wikipedia and look at how to beam the electricity through the air. ve u seououhe the c't hear or even sins. there are these electric cells you can create an she has done this and she is the ceo of a new

company called new beamnd has e 22ea o and is now attracting venture capital. if she does that basically engineer she went to said that can't be done. what was the reason it can't be done? because th hadt do it th cli suspt in a year we will be flinging her name around with the same abandon as mark zuckerberg. that is the other point. t a cncenturco hewlett-packard went into that garage in 1938, the height of the depression. that garage has been restored at a cost of millions of dollars to the ritual state that it w enir wenin. icgenuy. that is where we go to daydream

away from the domestic sphere. it is not a coincidenceher js ntntthag -- th inflation -- here we are, the amateurs are popping up. happeneds are largely a cone rd iicat hith than thieves trying to steal money. there are other indications there are more start-ups. ll get the jobs numbers from l. ricngo bre government. how many of those jobs were created by big firms that are funded by wall street investors

and we flatter bankersith the 00amfr lirms 58,000 from start-ups and small businesses. used to be a common belief among democrats and republica tt main street,mall busines w erbseaor now both parties -- we have to flatter them with the ridiculous term job crtors. they are bankers. they found things. that is good but they're no more b crrsn am for ngfo the real risk takers -- who takes the risk? certainly not the hedge funds. they -- their very identity, hedge risk. atthol p onngy fr. be thalk rs t people who risked being called fools and idiots for taking

their ideas to market. meredith perry was told by scores of engineers that this idea was ridiculous and now she has acompy.t euretha mo bt enound at a time of hardship necessity is the mother of invention. a lot of people are doing it out of choice and some ot so much. c c ad book is coming our right around the time -- [laughter] -- anyone else have anyquestions? >> wouou csi-- [inaudible] >> mark zuckerberg -- if you are going to think that in our culture getting credentials is a form of professionalm, if you op tar cebted ofle

. mark zuckerberg is one. bill gates and steve jobs. ben franklin was one. michael dell. intereg fudn meborain henppnte is brother james in boston. he hated it so he bolted and jumped on a boat and fled to philadelphia. ran away and invente a whole e wekn.n ly he dropped out. some historians and others, all americans are recapitulating the essentl franklin story. we all need tboro th re tste,ha whert is and find some other version of yourself with a sense that your feet are always

in that place. n r that.rever ahi anybody else? [inaudible] en.an anxious nation awtsour arlioi same idea some did -- same idea in different parts of the country. >> probably. they would be the first to be riddled with paranoia a eadyelt oe ittended to hang out with word that driven towards making money immediately. eventually if things worked out, then like all of us we would tventllmaon

whefths ay today motivation for going into that place. the kitchen or the dorm room or the seller or whatever is not money butjust this sort oan ability not t th ths at ofhe ers c ee ey would rather be so that is where they were. >>ouldikha yo wsterncwas doing research on the book? >> certainly that moment that calculus tcher explained what thwh medh dewa trying to taser the plasma and bacteria we set up this arngement because we were wrapping up the wall socket to

2,500 volts. ies h eroth920s. it was eremelyro. wt wiin sh a di- thought that was charming. [laughter] >> thank you for coming. [applaus ore at visit the author's website jackhitt.com. >> here are some books being published this week. y t et vice

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correspondent for salo magazine recount washingt d.c.'s first race wyatt. agent garbo, the brilliant eccentric secreagent who ekkehi aavhe da loorsenink es w fhe authors in the near future on booktv and on booktv.org. in just a minute we will hear from jill biden as she readser chdren boo"don fge w fheesar t a gup cre washington d.c. national guard members. during this event hosted by the u.s. though she is joined by vice president joe biden who also talked to the group. this ibo h an hour.

[applause] >> welcome to the d.c. national guard. on behalf of the men and women of the guard i would like to oml ye is in oliss ay thanks to all of you for supporting the men and women in uniform. yoknow when we serve, you serve and you as families of the n aenrell to the mission. i would like to introduce the lane rodgers, the u.s. tritre.ident and ceo othe il be out with you. and welcome back

haot ope do you know why? we are here to salute you cause you are very important people. you a i p. arryor i going to have the pleasure today of having a very special lady who is here today. her name is dr. jill biden and she is a teacher you nowm at it?thwo teachers. that is one of the most important things you cano. she is also a very kind and special lady and she loves hildren. you know whihildn arth salher? note ?

military children. children who have a mummy and ? military cldren. tahin.en who have a muy and? chen ha y daane li. oeyon e an your daddy and the military? wonder how all that happened! jill biden knows that things can be a little hard for you because as working.dy is far ay eid ser t dno . thad away like your parents. jill biden saw how sad they got because they missir daddy so

much. he is her son. she loves very much. they had to wait a long timeor he. jill biden wrote a book about them and what was like for them while their daddy was gone and you know who she wrote the book fo u ri.or me or any of usodat thsxaly wte the book for. she wants to use their and many kids like you with the mommy or daddy who are in the military anyou are never alone. issoooa date!p tt ok isn't that fabulous? let me tell you something else. there will be thoands of these

books sold. jill biden is nating -- do you knowhat hat means dth m viheey to the u.s. of. you know what we're going to do with that? we are going to make scholarships for kids like you whenou get ready to go to college. boo ? that a wonderfug [applause] >> did i do that? i told you she was a very special lady for doing that but before jill biden coupo rycialer w y all to meet. he is jill biden's husband and he is a father and his son serve in the military. i almost rgot. est hetace

vice president joe biden. [applause] >> please, everybody sit down. you ar awfully nice to do this re ohe rday morning and all the these are beautiful children. i know you parents know there are tens of thousands of beautiful children like this all over the country. one of the grated vaag travel world and meet warriors, in iraq and every ple in thewod. all call heard jill. has traveled around the world.

those of you who are se or pen or bthor sisters of anyone who has been deployed to you know there's only 1% of you who are fighting these rs. i t tirauf the country they don't really know exactly what it is like and particularly for national guard, we are national guard family. our son is a major ith r ar dec one of the things we noticed was when you are, quote, regular army on a base you havether people going throu what you go thh al to.

they can commiserate how tough it is when your husband or your wife is gone for six months, a year or for any perd of ti ristmases and it is hard. jill and i always knew that but we didn't fully understand it until our son w pled. i pesponsible too because we have grandkids, don't worry about it. parents anddults in the room, there is a difrent feeling of obtiu m cy syour t. is a different sense. a different feeling. it is like when so many general officers i know have sonand

daughters iharm'say s'son just got sent back. a general who i spent many days with in iraq, his son lost an l i ufoaveade ch incredible sacrifices. there's a famous phrase for parents and spouses. of famous phrase,hey also see who oy and d warvoan i used to watch jewel every morning and she would wake up before me and stand over the sink and get her coffee and i atavmft.e her mouth in a prar wh