atteed a reception, just that he couldave physical evidence of a relationship demand who then was t maser. iomha oll thren uelic whre hseth guo ferf sadat, 1981 on a version of the plane, like in the otheroo onrc bet0 th thgydnikch . e't a lot of love lost between either of them. you can understand why. but on the way back, nixon goes back on hiowns nallnatnnoaoenn, ns gone, hate is gone and kissinger is gone. it's a weird play mode. and ey become i. theaeeet aneyh t ne eylie r ot ath in both realize that they were tossed out of office a little before they would've liked. i think they looked around and saw nixon in a reagan a idaneyht, t trr thha a prt e et e od and carter across party do 24 or 25 different projects on budget -- on deficits, arms control, middl ea oic thic ua

th nwe seao 15est wpred19o giheog t the others depending who died first. which is really a measure of friendship. orhis pat 0e ismytedsy er n et i ea , nanuet thought very heavily in 1976. the club is like any fraternity but the bos are eally special. two i taketioe >> cth by thab. imoike e ywco ee ae wcln takes office after the 1992 election, sothing happens th only happened once before in american hist ich wasoi t evti erafiv nde d 'lnt ati ofyieg oahe bu oor t rhard nixon. he's practically sittingutside the white house jumping up-and-down fame lsten to me listenom shcag cng wag to t oe eteverohe d t g psethliid. e' words. then he writes a somewhat tougher op-ed in privily sends a signal. eier y taky callse esluwie in uganog hbapyane' pren tnistates. >> finally qut and call us and realizes that some of his predecessors to have that

permission is incredib shrewd abt wo he's oraenli essmte wwain hemeo a,t toay mee- phone buddies isn't just to talk about foreign policy. he wants to talk about how to orgaze hay how ie ths angt n ongetngoi ofur trentim is the most scarce and precious than he has. he wanted to know if he was using up well. and the first month of the presidency he wasn sae sal n tay ho iis hc swaotolbceled beban gaut sa0 yersers still an impossible challenge. >> when we interviewed clinton about this, he said one of his most prized possessions of eing est trix d h mntre nidin a 94 n jugoous ia ugohu ch. he had gone d there remain seet msion ison t at efterpk es e aggl splte tasked clinton if we could have been in to receve anything now but he said that he told i was done in ways tt hed aazle. rdedt. hetemeg i ho ykn heda eead it every

year. when nixon died in 1994 and the clton hiehseannod edathmusd s eresiminth we ed his mother, similar, not the same. i often find myself i could pick up t phone and call him ask them f avi itrulana inat wgowessa fa a nt e ho bu tha o that politics is complicated family is really complicated. and yet te only thing mor extriny thhet prenorerwle sh o onel est haauall eda fer h rroge father for that one president. what we found really inib ndhi atel aga c pa cgeeio ewen idcln thti shil toihat ey ha naor him. they call him their brother from another mother. >> we get asked about thisa whhe m fly ti e oe, f fa aon e si ie rl thtu ohmcn't speak. this is later in the date obviously, but it's quite an emotional moment. a lot of people asked as, say

how much didbso io o , ul eig h s vi weysayad rg bears this out as much as maybe people wish were that it not true, that in some ways this me was the comforter tot ththn vfi tiortepntiws yor wh ol al the ther didn't say turn off the television. you got to stop watching su olmas rn oue vi, anthoue t o 41edeayhas halo of advisers, that he really only ha one data so that woulbe the role he would play, which is probably the truth most fatherouldmk aysiisrs re se yhi oui. ths oll code by. i don't know whathe opposite of come by this, but we have a lot of this in the book and this is one of eert. o n,seathi ndtfotnan pa oultenr ano me architects and the way of the postwar world works very closely and effectively together as they are trying to figure out america's ro as vi e de peenstniroin peadelng reluctant american public and congress on the idea of nato.

truman understood o take eisenhower's stare to get th id to ate twre o fct s parsoetye diy owthr n148 truman even says to eisenhower, and now if you are thinking about running, i would get out of the way. i'll be a vice predent if you . yavesn st outhyanf t in 1952 eisenhower runs for president he comes apart and it comes aprt badly and it comesapart mainly with the facthat sherman concluded thatsnwer was ailio an n hle t emeles is y esalen mchy ansous about this. he called eisenhower and moral coward and started campaigning across the country come the same seower was unfit f cend anowhod o an tca dot rv best he ed tts. hrefore n surprise on a migration day h was still refusing to come to the white house to pick a truman to go to the inauguration. they barspe at einh's rsi. tn s f b heteset e lash. n,t's never that simple and the two men to find themselves again together namely at funerals, particularly in novembe f13en he shaimnekln te oro prennnaneyrt

inout their own burial plan. in that shadow of their mortality, small things fall aw biinomck umritoew d iin c in? dad that the at blair house talking and reconciling. and so a friendship that turns into a feud turns back into the reiliaon bause tilyt bha enouyt whte odest mompntn fi tha >>t y a ap ending. this one not so mch. we have to tell this. >> i don't know ere's ever been to liticalobs rell fgtg f hiaks ar nn anlno n b hn you remember the 1968 election johnson had decided not to run for another term. all he wanted was to regainis prendewmi thsh bmed eaou rid n ouhas rans for worry and that if there were breakthrough in vietnam that he did not stand a very good chance of land ta elon tlfolen in jhsodsora chnis es b selyotgihpee ta us this treason. what does he do about it?

this i 198 weseoben asinrnth n ssed 'vendti oniorno rzn. inktfoh's calculation was what it was due to the country to have an outgoing presint accused a major paty cat o bongceetia e datm. wa extraordinary moment of confrontation ultimately johnson decided not to hallenge nixon about it. the election november was very c. fo er lteou nrnd nema ns vehpythohnson during the transition to shut nixon was a tape recorders were in the whi house. it was one of the reasons why nin got th cuhe, esednsday pa nt ch d tanit re rsr ek eawa t keep johnson tends. >> decreed a speci forin lifoia f lad ir aho t o. sxosre laid waat gag st anauary of 1973, nixon's man called johnson and say, u know, you mighwant to call urenn ste stl tbfo e rgvsti ou ynoewi vehet y were

illegally surveilling eavesdropping on us in 1968, to which johnson said,wl,ou tan wsat neen all tag ba n1 [laughter] the extraordinary moment of mutual blackmail. how is jst a novel of? about two weeks later nixon is anreedoc twysert,do hndif ar tk. d tat oeht th perilous moment in the american presidency there was no cloud. harry truman had died at christmas. johnson died in january niisll on >>s urllu yoedw aougge rbwa bis feeling. not every president gets along with members of the other party. jimmy carter has een challenged for all ofhm [lte prlyaut' ca'sur brt y y orthkd g heso d another challenge. he left office at the age of 56 or 57. septemberimmy carter becomes e longes the next president inso. eeit ots,24ys susier hr' co atno ebu t bear. carter has worked very hard at his secondcareer and really invented the modern postresiy. ht ofic w esfor halgfe igb adt

sbo ss g it status. you now, he has done huge amounts of things at home and overseas in the last 31 years. he won the nobel prize, but also ha wa - a rits rno et toadoameotht hifrisnsome kind and he is normally delivered the goods, but he is a tendency to go off scrip this is acassic oeh in0500 ns w mt lyopy mao ci rights leader. carter uses it as a chance to gently criticize the other man's son who has been president. carter has a y a th lth i mleor idisertot th resde. yoowerubdsbl sheep. last night because everyone else in the club something to unite around. clinton would lso nd caer orovr. whe itrs nde goto toua. said this to george stephanopoulos. you think you'll be okay, don't you? the last thing you want to talk about here is how the club works n snc si cr. e id ireor thhersi. aeczeos today, which don't work very well, the one thing that has to work on the web and italways has to be functioning a powerful

d af isthei tisre ht moil te lfer pic re aside. and joined together, make common cause around some larger purpose. we seethedoe n e ep mpet weanth xciv br, onrthldri d ofebr inat became known as the mission. this is a guy whoever understands will dismantle the entire new deal superstructure gome thumne hime ovadbe reid mo oti cs e- iarentds the tools should be able to meet a crisis and especially in the postwar nuclear ae hai thtoise pot eradts ovo riti xces that would empower the presidents and is essentially the great gift they gave to other presidents wh follow to organize and ratializthe ute br anay pdewobe tnct. e atov nged pdein mehas piy craden. in the course of gathering informatn, who very found of so much was wrong and wasteful in government th if het o owrihe 19s loi ey ma rtet hm teidi amazing he didn't leak any of his beauty

ke to himself because his larger goal was to make u thherncseas nged trent o ow we ssty ti e itinn o an ehor, advisor to nixon not to challenge the results. diseer s aqtityr phcawi 1 mis ache seer hotay nixon it would not be good for the country. stand down. >> we see overseas. >> we ne a much smoother aceful transition ofower theaoe t erreenarewoanis tie toe png battle. >> for a fact we haven't talke utopd mh aynu ooi o ng opec te escythhird for which he realized his presidency simply could not begin until the matter was taken off the table. later he would ce rescue bill clinton for impeachment n ag lngine en ss hoalo togt con itha ieadwr towards impeachment and in the end he couldn't convince clinton of that, but he worked really hard to try to make that pn. is amouetin cey . pe o' ifey m orsodhnge tw fii 883 when president

reagan invited all the governors at the white house and so both bill and hillary clinton -- there's a picture ofim -- am i gh e o ie lsic it pltoke akot that. that picture -- this is the other picture, the only time in the time life archive it's a greato. wuly toebe19 con h sttipeinon tour as a courtesy call on ronald reagan that has brief and polionrsations thaevy priden w trent e iem en h neorhtud a onininaste quond oic or may? president reagan says the first thing is you've got to to camp david. he got to get out of that building. it is good for the soul to get ouin heos ita add conn' ly ahreal a oo h pde yoedget he house. the other thing president reagan have been watching psident clinton during the campaign and found his salutes a little wimpr asohn s tond y. wh n s rs te d aaydn rols of military opposition. and clinton as i understand

asd rn h himow to i twoen alld brlg lnicer ety a. it reminded me that he was eisenhower who taught kennedy had a pricey couple but to make a quick getaway byopte annn jononto o tas eett ons haa hseaup hi ee abo that. and it's not just in matters of policy that the men whare commanders in chief pass on tips. this was one way former presidtha atrl kendan oe thubpeti lynd leshott fis,pia ns. clinton would learn not and he would come to salute every time he got off the helicopter ust as pde rean hadone ulssfur gebuentru toherentnt s infin ge bua ion he sid to him you didn used to be such a great speer because clinton and given a horrible speech one time that i sa in dra coti ansdo yha a ipouw ivgo ee prenubct o ve bh seentious very practical. >> alternately wht struck us as the ultimate of l thrule daladoerte hoist heng thakeshebmsral i istihahe oe itself is more important than the individual.

who occuy appeared on the car inhiag n,tul o mira g wo he inry9,est snee reb mbipmehe new guy. and he said at that time to president obama, look,e'll wants you ucas s ha binhe sce nff andsteidvial. i think whatmichael and i took away from this research was seen how these armen fiercely amou the edenound coy' torythll hedho stwiemr h eye des en themselves picking it over and over agai they set agendas aside and mov past su ithinst ererth rouht emettotad mpntesrt o mom is still hhly important work of just helping each other beuse it's very hard job. 's n our job thean labor hn thl gh mca chthlito t tdoitre' something that comes up again and again were jefferson called it splendid y, ut fe tgrtteelat is wos iler iul jevhes do

successfully can be wounded by it and their burdens from having do it and there's very few peoplehey contacyou out onth t p otchltball ahge. cae. nani e i. i hartnd i want to do a hard time. we think it is the model may be many of us at thinhar nt oeati haouy . e y akur questions. [applause] >> ncy and michael have been gracious enough to allow a few minutes at the end for questions. i'll ask is if you have a question to raise your hand. e lee oe w crne itil ihoks ound wst riov. >> is this a situation with the first lady like the prent? s nttiowot eohaeeri ou a th w a a ses that first ladies are especially where if you are trying to raise children in the white house. this seems to be mainly cold lately.

the is tohnnlsnd ca acsecito boheam i totofi's ndl,richng any event trying o do in the bright, white lights at the whithouse would be especially challengin hiy tosot hopeja kdy abrag drn li jond ha ere'a on why first family still criticize each other. it's not there were such wonderful pe. ndanw icit aknipaogth fa ths nshtar h library of 61st ladies together and certainly i think there is a bd betwe them becausthey t were having a ue ie. ngd e miiafruc o e rsdecu sueo presents. i suspect it will not be long before it is no longer an all-male club. but for the time being, we haven't seen a qalt id trent se. hs hees hr >> ever saw the photogrhs of the 15 16 shan the hand of esent kennedy vn gh itnlr sd. henydel inwoven ll udar ht time. but are there any photographs? >> with clinton because i

suspect th he had ace ictoi est toughi a edtufolnon an tt hato be 40 years -- >> the story's grave. clinton just reviewed robert cai y s" su, h hug w exencuata e orit ub uor ho twa good. in 1972, clinton is passed by george mcgovern to then texas for mcgovern,hich alost cagi n rat stse xaormgve. hopeless. who is the only ally they thought they had committed people running texas excepthe wasn't sure he was really for mcgove ihr. he y oes con anen elego de, t r en be th reaze eagleton might not be the best vice presidential candidate. bill clinton, cochairman of texans for mgvernadtyo anwhnllb clniekd o ho an ice of them accompanies mcgovern in eagleton to the ranch to seeohnson ard clinton losescts nd orngckm meg,ch no h w in ireor to l that is a close as clinton got

to meeting all bjp but is great about thamerican presidency and welrmr,even 'sotdengyt fpeid. re rbeh a d tacaaiomre ow thit des moines. i'm pulling that, but it wouldn't count on it. everyone has their crcuit ti tht lnve m j. ol h htasll estsofir es, orll kit ishat ey a hoped for. right over here. >>o the implication of the pren lbis eri cr arer i el pe oeoies? >> i think what is amazing -- but answer it this way i rderer iest nvabao d efd ush wt piy ch president. the french like to presidents grandfatherly cool -america [laur] say nof e gs w gfaly o. res w gck totsur ths othing about any of these guys. it's a classic american story. we elect presidents who dot begin to fit. if you have back heflo ejs agdxo jon ny.

csp rud makeup and are out widely differing, you know background it a quintessentially american g. fro nlad,ba ads. er is no club th would have them as a member in america. they'rjust too ifen ths iemb ouisthe te r ata tig yosstis tenty merican thing. >> back hee. heu e yea cote ha ce taaipsidea atteon boat? >> were able to talk to president clinton in the first president bush and president carter. i interviewee second president bu before were working on this book and u goarons sed uensorevne ersaut t wveveratel fothe lp they were willing to give us. think this is a prey ma ruahn tre lof gs eou nolkut iulve e iatss sh e ihi we ot help from people who would serve multiple presidentsn prprewy thunn alo

>> we have time for one or questioned. back here. >> are there secity vel uh atsntcno dis aidef rmn o ests el thi if you were going to tell anyone outse he tyofclha s a fo pdeoue g . gebeal uhset hlnws. oedm eure pones and interest in all but one turned them down. i think a lot of the people who used tbe president kind want to get away alt 'v re wost a a haup fomeg er dien d'hi r is a real downside to tell in any of those guys of that happening. what iinteresting is when they tell, enerhe sike on osam id e ir t cabysi o w fitege akr bu n conese in kthe two men had both in their own way try to get them come repeated for different reasons, unable to make it ppen or pull it off. i thk obaw no inh as ssovhrrenc an talre g done. that's the more important kind of blue.

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>> so, good evening. we are here to celebrate the bliciosct idcthe tt spieler. eleanor clift has appead of potics and prose summer an th lhsatm noouwa rind nddebs n e ci picadpo. many of us were riveted by your two weeks of life and memoir of life, death and memory and a fanaticalpolitics. ous ow eal ataithofsw reou hsdy nearly 22 yearsago eleanor and tom joined the 20 or so others

on h firoll ir tiade s anit r atee ftefme uncoie met with authors from poland the czech republic, hungary and from the communist part of germany. we went to htz. weo ently hfu d y te's a atan nd her co-author have accomplished in selecting a president, is to ake the election system unerstandable byreaking itntomangbl rtvisita wofuorme icindtk any excuses for not being informed. we learned what happs if no candidate receives a majority of the lctorcoe. entho eso t cethg re soe y oece matyre as that is. so here is a book for the high school or college graduate or nearaue ni n elyo erplraft sc no l yat tthdu u on six in respect for those that run for office. we know eleanor clift as a urst pic en sfeuin es gh wmeyuas author to read let's welcome

eleanor clift to politics and prose. [applause] anouav weme trip tto vecoiedteld by car train. the cold war jst ended and every time you cross the boder someone would come into the bin and shinlgtsn ey , i cll saeb thidad al. gh cawa u experience lifeat the level of average human beings, and we did. soni he boorr anf o hend i ha you, david. this book is little differnt r me because it dos't espns hhwhat gepi doontlvi ansoipit d sstraightforward account of how our political system works. to be nest the publisher came to mead gi atte tho tay i'renopothere are wondering where the 527's and super tax came from and who invented them? did ey come from the founding th hoess em?

e ars e cenl ertin. buat tave to do with how we select a president? it is as successful as the first te eind gi aoc fr se lr ale bkit some wonderful researcher and writer to put togethe a similar book on how the senate works and david robie who recently stepped do fro hhose sb ntedi evgh ouw ok we hope to fill what the schools no longer do. for me this was doing the se angth mari als rec f ti jukescusboy lethest w this country, and the republican primary season and the debae is certainly a cse in pot. thou neyp cuall agpeid te nd sh c f o f dain oto ot ede pac aur] which i shudder to think we are exporting some ofthis. but again, the way we do t 's raksbus be tayinlsat haen re crdsaeati yearon the republican side i think only had really too

plausible prospects, and then was mitt romneywho inw obs ned ioo thc ry o hsm i oitr vusso n ay partly their own delusions'. but that's the wonderful thing about running for president. yodon't actuly a t h yon . e lferont anonemt ueiso uethpaplrm s oe tu nominee will run on. the political primaries, the proliferatn of priest we a o ati re nomen. in8, u hr wth nomination without competing in a single prima. it's kind o unimaginable. power was in the hand the paeblh, te isdtvo rfre ps fchw mpe ncinly by kennedy in the california primary sadly assassinated the night he was to win the california pry. hmhysssihd n n 96igh al rfr we t mcgovern frazier commission. george mcgovern and minnesota dofi thy edcop at ef arls ermeyoung voters and

minorities would be represented in proportion to the population. in the 1970 to just four yea la 4f dete mit oven w me thasfitcnve i was an operator for "newsweek." i worked in this week in the fontainebau hoel, and i was re sy y ita oulwthe lianmepltan toetaabie inay hyst. in 1968, 13% of the delegates were women's of that gives you an idea of how much reform occurredin tho fouy , gemgve na ttvcself it ebo supported george mcgovern, and i was rather shocked when he didn't win, but he go the noti ae rlh ded wenite t ceytitee siiau t leg esearch committee. but george mcgovern lost a rath major wa ufir heonycamactt d ri fclm. 1976 jimmy carter saw what george mcgovern had did and notid there was the opening in iowasig po

oondtg b e le oa. president carter told the story of how ifficult it was to et in the press oa. jody scored a television spot early in the morning ad said they are driving to the tv studio and jody said by the wy . id-guit a ji b wayny hanyaorci? , gttre ia inown ts weg apron and a chef cap. so i believe carter came up with a recipe because she was prepared to do virtuay nythtochhs ca ocusnee president, although i think his legacy will be seen in a much more favorable light than it ha , i aha a e iin pen daeabs wndici about jerry convincing of the arena stage to "to camp davd, which is about whatpe e abh dmusianchiand gates of camp david fo 13 days and out comes a peace treaty.

so i think carter is goint oketin hrybo anhaal reate agt m o irm chteti orter as a weak president. carter did lose big real big to ronald reagan, so that triggered anotneset eorms eres 0 9 h deatarstl n sae t going to let another outsider like jimmy carter infiltrate our cicles ain adsoyv ato thweayme gapceacto nd tat et of the delegates are in the hands of what we call the superdelegates. remember them. theyppearedi 20n abtat t'v behr wldcue the canidacy, but the notion of the party now overturning the will of the peopleas reall unka iwlleinsahi tltotho et hr day with fewer votes than their opponent and you could name th geoge w. bu, th ney mb jo un , 4, thrdh benjamin harris, 1888.

so it's not enough to win the popular vote. you have to win the electoral college and its elained, t i'm not going tgo toughi . ey ctan doavmestita are relevant to today. truman rather famously ran against the do nothing conress and esidoba is dng t hi eesh for rnf w a prss uhikmt romney once was former governor of massachusetts, and something that mitt romney still is. in any vent eewasn' nsti reic rod8t ssnd tr sesly ii e o nothing congress, and that gets me to today's politics because mitt ey ibroadly pt teei pe naytti pty n' an ohill i blhif a centrist conservative and whokeeps some distance from his p iclyou publan tho apigageis mof bl p an its enda with romney and panned fm the as an tremist and tomk i welnry

of posio hoo n s y r t noti. owo i f n pah fng o plad parenthood. she's taken some pretty far right positis on immigration in order to get to the right of rick perry duth pia. so ikt ntthigan ce l o da-d h political rhetoric. president obama has demographics on is sidebig ep 90s uproe riamomty roup f ipacs and to-1 edge with young people. the wild card is how many will get out info ant. ecy xixnths lihe etmn i koaa el fcia big challenge. one thing i have learned in researching this book is that george w. bs was the first idto elteth ppltngr nchytan. polls today of the president of 48%. he hasn't really cracked 50 and stayed there for any length of time in iea dn ilie mnahaternd k in bdo n is election it's going to be two things, that unemployment number as faulty as it is as it

is going up andowo knw h idaneneit anhesdtmos thbereohem ocr, cobh and 22. romney has plenty of experience inhe debas. i think 20 ofteand 's gotosa igo sd hgot thwrews prlywud take back offering a 10000-dollar debt and so forth. but for the most part she handled himself quite peha obleyo ie imiarh deatolr id me seneek or so ago at the six month out deadline tha the president has no bter than a5/ hn wineeandt at smeungi gg omwnij these are peter hart's words not mine. it ol e het ieny g le thor o that could be wishful thinking. but i can come up with a scenario where obam wins the econ 5ee he deatophn trat bi bu t ismeke e sseaker that could

go either way. in this book thereeioi spes nh'secen e ecd il to kore which basically turned around that the election because after all, she had wonworld war ii st going to korewu cenllvewr rtphis ave tefeboig 48n hs heo minneapolis and he wnt to the 48 democratic convention and calltof k pathav gn risiofis coutth o he ut odik it took along why all for that to happen that he deserves credit for getting it underway. and then barry ode is eminenf rt oie sp orrvsig. esent obama nominating speech of john kerry in 2004 which for shuttle of the things the would then get thp eld, oe gs atistllg arla oy. thisodin election. the shape of the deficit-reduction package that they will forge after the votes

nvmb hup c d aywy ti c d nd smerti reaneyre likely to be one two three vacancies ov the next four years and whoeveis ie teo g no ao ur ubc oicouhoe r she appoints and thenthere's also the historic nature of president obama's election in the first place, andnywe eenoan dee raal u h on po ere as well and kind of lives in the neighborhood. the former head of the urban league and his portrait no hangs in th ortait lle d ad htaenht heugprid b's -eio m ita an ielc bse america is about reaffirmation. and then he talked about his personal experience has the ony riamangete dian on wn'nd ivawie e he would be 77 in augusto you can place the time and he said his parents drove him to ren le hehenisi s caan shmt pe0 octd s er sd ca e home. he sd what you mean i can't come home? his father aid people here have

much bteedioanou vehd threng et h ptnd aoi brungtefa rera bu ancmeho so four years later, vernon graduates, pretty big man on campus. his mother slaps im $100,nd fa syonc ho t howat me d for me i thk a lot of americans are wondering if obama s e usy elonupndwa giaha ab boouhvdealth mo successfully or we can do what wanda sykes the african american cedian says. she says if he screws up llme tal ht gu aur] hawh itlit mod ti always helps. so with that i would like to take your questions, and i see a very politiallyengaged audience here so wec twhevout ppe] hipaa >> don't be shy. the's the microphone. >>nkuc o y tein senton icuutatgig it ard to six in the

schools. how has it changed over the years? i get the imprsion that is one of the reasons that you are writing thi how has changeddwa ca adw anqe - wilyubeke urkle ss to whom? >> have exchanged i don't know that it's changed. it's just been tken away. everybody is lking for ways to tgs scs hotht a esxoanki hers so basic civics is occasion just doesn't exist and sandra day o'connor, the former supreme court justice, i mean, she has turnedntoher life work lkabth ofcs ediod trey me cref i eav u h publisher how they are going to market this but life and they would love to get into schools. it's not a literal textbo s readleta n scs ho b t mdn' t. sohiitrying to bridge the gap and do it in a readable way so that people might acuall get smething out of it. builhtw er tog lehe don't exlain -- congress right now is a mess and it has goneeyond the point. but we did get a certin m,

th t e xlin soththl ron marketplace for this book i hope. i have a lti part question h o lkmc a eae y ada s an tlghewae ri yar with the public nominating somebody come and they couldn't get wha was it, 100,000 votes for anybody? >>oue tag out er y neaki them, the interesting people working with them, the head office is own near "newsweek." i spt themrning listeni t wadb bus ol r whe so theotnggie bo ot oi o i don't think jon huntsmanbecause hksy as inndruatunly wn unlikely i could win. i would split from the democra but who know it's such a craps gooriwo trin republican campaign and really didn't succeed. is that really was abouthe best they could do.

he needed to getmyb's 00 itu oevn crleem he id was whoever n their kind of lottery they would pi somebody for the opposite party or an independent so that you wouldbps ic ait'cet th butitaow th ormer fighter jesse ventura of minnesota tried that and the thing is you have no partybnd t ad btde wor inkte womf e nn tra a oann they announced they are going to gve back the donations to te big contributors but not to the little contriburs i dy nadt tteroce thav rte mny rw pifk thmsneaa d y aiarisg just to the campaigns and then for all the little subsidiary organizations haven't played ybody else succeeds in this climate. you have anotherogono la tthnth fehecai. thretg ways to actually make the congress work. they would like to see a filibuster reform,nd so i think they are aositive nitionand ey bng opogr t r thfth le. fr aesweei o ah 1eti e were too with their

parties, one on each ide. that is when he walked out of the neck at the coenti iran ae nn ou nrwaaas bl,o draining votes. so that would have been a great time. [laughte now that i think about it. [laughter] dn mrti h oo once anprwo were german immigrants i believe they supported duty and i remember asking my mother why and she said because e wa number. gh i t kifwab hewa g tllm ch >> i'm a little bit younger than birmingham jordan, ut i have been through a lot of politics and worked in the congressfr yrsumofyaao decatmen poca party declared at its number one goal to get the president out of office, and to estik st erngewne dto pret do you remember -- >> didier velte elections but -- >> i don't kno ofy rl

d uhn8 ams ahnonnd tit rpan weeaxed. they thought we are going to be in t wilderness forever. how are we going to deal with this? the came out pretty quicklin paf pog ot n uepte whhsbeuor oe time advising republican candidates that on the day of the inauguration he was counseling theic juppwhbmddan it sume upnx day and they paid off rather handsomely in 2010 because they took back the has. in stry wosotr o o'knweei emd hnkf mitt romney does win, it will be very interesting because he would probably then also have a publ h aeucan se aomwlene al hwl. he il n bltot u his party and tht is how every so often even jimmy carter said he would be comfoable thnen ou danoud ite callfia er deatysago rn asssett he was fine as governor.

they are not worried about hm, but he would have thapr tng e s onewy d tivew 'saig bl viac t ntauveim takes half a step he is got somebody on the right complaining about it. as a t rc imano iie uesf gi t ro fa near but as a political observer its traditionally the republicans run to he right and then scurry back and the mos to h ef cryc. 'su oha fit ey talhe iquseeonu n't say anything anymore that somebody isn't documented. tms hfo poci nne nd o intidmplia italiett th and fail publicly. sometimes when you proceed it's wonderful but that's not guaranteed. d th p hei lone . oumiomha nnams tor asveyr iha mlyeo nit that's how he can fit into those skinny jeans. [laughter] he does look very energetic. in ldueson ngwcg hbe gnh ieeit will happen, after the

november election we are going to be having a battle with the bt ceiling ntebs er cuanal or r y avanrtinso yu think might have been? >> they are calling the tax to get him. it is the sequester and erng o tgehe itlsgr poun ca tols he t aowy b tdoheve o de ee is where if romney does get elected i think he will have a much harder ime because he will have tomkshe t nt t he wl n xeint he e rtteaad oa, lo him or hate him hasn't panned himself down nearly so much. hean make a lot more compromises. has a otmrr soink ifeik r bee o ic tsewud e be pti ly make the compromises and maybe sellout some of their base i think the predents inuc be posio dta nihoi ts whn ro wht tcow qa airomises which would be so in the viet nam with the demand of his party. it would be a real confrontation but i do'tnk c wi u fteconey arin

aeto a. an u n t oc y cially on the side have felt that mr obama has given away so much over thepast couple yata i e hm ree . >>'rinwl taken but there will have to be give because of the personality and because of th fact he hasn't been hmselfwn asu a'et oi. bu hade h pdeirey reer rn -n o to washington and we can all get along. i go to ashington and thy have thrown everything he and i s sg. owth puanairudra lteidort t g it a sincere with his dn he took it as a signf wess hbbt er ice. itoom ln time to realize they were not playing nice and it wasn't going to get ywhere. >>o youhn's k veitmnrede buin d nthitug opinriod understand if mitt romney gets elected what impat it will have

on their lives for generations oebc he oao e emu jic thoue a stor this country. but i als don't understand why obama's advisers don'tet him to go cons to or thr. mg e ouee h. aheesy'oio unt, getting people out to vote will be important for obama whoever comes out it is in the plus lu. i n't rs we dot ap el sifid otonf thewamane om be i. esare things the you look at and say these would get the votes and they are important now for him. >>o take thoe one at a tim scn mre stgiarok a. eedeedada n'% its 37 people there is oneupporting scott walker from docrac g reicul cin t eeyreat is the concern he would totally energized the other sid. everybody there has rked to e max. iudrd t no in ta cothprcut deatriofmed e d rised to

see the campaign ads that featured the justices in red and blue ropes instead of their customary black robes becuse yoed e acrwhsa ke e emur ain sur le him t isfo otp. stpln'ea there are nine of them in this lifetime and all of that paid it's never been successfulfg d i s anvrejs, and you can see all of the issues that are lining up they are going to do affirmative action. yohavepron sf ng o t. orvatveet n fte ment i think in a much more visceral way than liberals to comand of the couranyw etsat t rctohabe id t wbela o anpsyo or three. and then israel i don't know if he wl go to israel but before the election they may get adea onteia n n hti ertel ck h ldgtt ilici for that. so thanks. good question.

>>o yoavyghs wandiryftr inksprawa t sl for awhile i don't kn etshlrualti 1buth t' sile if lit il tothitpr r hl like. he ia man that practically had to shoehorn him out of the oval fice nvr apltan acldrs fote ceve a a y k oe and hillary has done a remarkable job putting a good face on amica in these four ar aniksnrg ghd hnk know 60 and 70 or not what they used to be. pretty soon we will be saying 100 isn't what it. budn t t g nmean nt on bud' hnat n expect that the democrats would clear the field for her. democrats are unconitutionally able to ht u'otw e cuou t nnot toa at an maryland a governor o'malley and that is just three of the up and

cors that are odierno the white house and they ar problymoe i spegalt im ewhm nhsy th oyor anting to be president is embalming fluid. aughter] if you getied01y caaraziaot 16 wto yopio rahm eanuel. he was touted as bng an insider and i feel he didn't do a good job at all becausei s tpbnsk ii nheaa icnahe a huajy heoue saik just fell through. >> i think themystery views rahm emanuel, some peoplelo and ryo d l crit d ethee he democrats by going out and recruiting people to match their districts and so there were not a lot floyalist andthe opletrcd eye tkok of thhuisth was cautious and in this book we talk about what is a andate who has and what is it lyon jnson hada nd whewo 6ohev in4 he ta. gebu 'tvin ar vote in 2000 and he

acted like had a mandate and i think president obama was hy about ihsp i tonst h pe o fte reicwe o n hnaid ybto ata g sign of arrogance i don't think he was arrogant enough and idon't know how much of that is what from an uas safo hhht hoeen t ra wel titorm it hem r but his experience as the chicago mayor delete command nominate his but because that's where he'sreallysa >>n li tse upo uon thoff rta remeer when there was such a thing as a moderate republican. and even the liberal republican whfppt ar exe th rs ea iade. one of the things that happened on january 20th, 2009 as pote out in e ohh usercy s te usne ht rnhd written about and put together with sarakantor and other people but not john berner, n which the rual

ge helo opti an om ind constructive in the obama administration particularly domestically if rden bm flved ou ineuh na y democratic what are the chances of creating the majority's to get oinn doic im w ii a the president is in the second straw often turn to foreign policy. although i think this president has en remarkably successful on forei poly in sf . bitbogsd ery meygn s t oiy staybushereen has really turned his attitude about about that. but, i think you have to wait and see wh the results are even if thepus ta r oehue, d y mjr byanst tha f those tea arty types that seek the compromise house a dirt word may not be mib nfhei leshurr t h o'knhhi neara thing. john boehner comes down to moderating a moderate republican than anybody that might replace

him. i hn htusnd obaxd hsyse toe eid,te ys tohththso chance for the rationality to prevail. and i think the other alternative question to ask is what if mitromnn ths icnhue snilheat veeing on the democratic version of frank luntz and make a similar decision i think not? crtav ut apter act reo o emts will be wishing they did in fact this is the outcome in november. so how it plays outacr in he pe wrand izatdn th prosperity we've known and the future we've kown e uaedauobto ma a eisthmahe gto ht inhe deac irso i tthth the cae. that's as closes i can get to optimism. aughter] >> thank yo ohs er ksocsn. pl] yoeot a ch tn hour.

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independent bokstore you should definitely come by and thanks t c- htool e fugot wtc istsinop t igrplre ehe o,t gototnt ise lk about how past losing presidential campaigns have shaped the 2012 elecon and then maybe da little speculationonhowte2 elonlfui h un s. i'in b tb e tiwh nk is a pretty bold prediction which is that on november 6 2012, there wereo absolundiny wr no aug] thldpcta seerec w which t has no impact it becomes kind of non-entities for the cosqueial sbu ofimheinat lle emusac thpalsorndng e lityns whbu f ways. before i go into how that works let me tell you i was an unsuccessful politicalcandidate myself and rn to essi fhe eoranoee in rblst owut id e r awandt all y family and friends and complete strangers give me time give me money, talent and then i lette o tl me e rs e w t aten op u e 19 pren race said the

voters have spoken so you sort of start to think tht way. he lst 19hed ll evrisa ra coy. od a o t pren xe so wau that. did it make a difference that i have an impact and will tell u s aw d iel ied tbl rwa llt at idallel e a ce f greater impact and if the losers are very greater it's a couple reasons. first of all loses, predictay wh they be iea aiy m dcy . gotoplth li bndteotls caaiarfr dynmi d oe rtiha the winning campan. how do they make democracy work? you may have noticed that on election night the losrs aay get t. ensiandr h wotior gt coutadspane that one can't talk while the liver is giving his consent speech and that is because really even though we think we know that bo theatis an tisseveent nnelviy. itnlere lr ha eet. t loser says didn't lose i can't allow this, he can't deal with president you migt

aginmoutad been bseven ht pp ndwrd. inot fcie ep t e tes sha and riots. the senior in 2008 we had the presidential camign from a very emotional campaign in 20 eee t icmen idan e bl ca. lo e ltd oatellof the violence was and there were 1500 people and a quarter million. there were riotsi d an sel fud unest enerre 2007 nicolas sarkozy was elected president of france the had so many riots the the 600 cases of arson d 60 as s aeun d't f enn presti elon a tht is dutote vr usey o and say i'm disappointed but i accept the result come to the country to unified around the winner and move forward. d th havto data e er a y eri lo on ain onendyou sa r rmz t ti how can anything get done? you have grid lock and chaos and i think one of the reasons i wrote the ok one of the messages in the bok ia wrt re gng inwr sario renglos trio ecy tpa presidencies starting with clinton and also george w. bush and now barack obama, the

legitimacy is dangerous thing fortt. weboao crae sta lalyudecyd e sn ctrits die hetetts ha sny irehnic groups, different regional differences and sali actually believe our democracy is fily fragile i' por weintthrdns tr kuuiiend untag gomeay be vrn eant ybthes legitimate government we will let them govern and to the basic elements of governing a come back and try to beat them next time. if we ever lose that i do lievwer on tem ibros elon e r thtoe lo he ctin is often they are more prophetic and the winners. it's often the losers are the ones that come up with new ideas while the winner are uck in the polies o hp. ldeuvr a grn lalys b tald t e r paca takes awhile to gain the public acceptance because it often seems very radical and difficult to observe. the other wathey brignhe chs ey b rtan b are yef lkatay a ip iet ocbe. yb'syungminority. but they bring in new folks. if they change the questions and how the rties are organized a lot of linmpaignsrehe est ge p g ipate cova p o nstiaro b paant nte

ata leso fi of all they know they're going to losto be the they uldn't admit that but the politicaliyowa t yomom y nduinn cttlect a rane he t iacd prosperity and what are the demographics. so the losing campaign sometimes has to be very bold to get people's attention they get aboutte orn rug fhepl ermnal ca s p ot ket yosaw the movie came change that is what the whole phrase is about we need a game changer ife are going to win thishinger we g oeth w thh ona a ofecnt iln that campaign.

or sometimes misunderstood, but who in fact help shape politics. they're the ones who determine why we have to party systems n usaesanh y e iee bls deatdep erve os er wh wtok about is henry clay of you might say that henry clay. henrclay is perhaps the greatest amerin ever to become pren meep swl frin tohrs ge handaou amerig nray pblhegreatest legislature in american history. he was the anomaly important the house of representatives. he was eleed speak of e e hir loafffice. and was interestedly recognized with his peers in the house of money to speaker jobs whics mos. heot fr poulsnnws't al that wayhy dcha sls on cote tsfrm n ored party. excuse me, transferring the

office. it was very effective and very passionate p. whene stted i mse efeia eddha ntli tgen d eerts what political partyspirit set i tion hg rtetneet t cohaeait eqly dopltrl ltees jephthah sin. henry clay was the jeffersonian, but he was alo one more tn nees o eda up edrh a isa capturing the conservatives in the british navy. henry clay pushed for the war, pushed for the war and we ll studied the war112bse itanboisr. ball lthr. bollte ee ccd with this guy named napoleon. they wanted to work over which they could move on. so clay realized that he reason we losth a itr dnavy nu sp oe ise ka o ports. we didn't have a common currency, a national bank. there is no way to buy th european nation that the brh. h w t adae igg te oecur stele fruc c mtr ar t country.

so we cannot at commodity worth 1812with ea to meet amuch stronger natnal govent t vethmen em ther sm braneawh a nggeppifry paf trth es terrace to strengthen northern manufacturing and then had the idea that she take the money from the terrace and build canals and rod ogtprts frhewsd mact mth onbaitomn currency and the american system was his first fenchurch assertive capturing a hamiltonian efficicy of moving fod. ha tra: i arddcd t ssdu tar 12 era f f generation in which american vote the one-party rul they might've stayed that way except henrychh n nre jon aijks we ntia ckism ess. on his deathbed president jackson, jiminy regrets in life? yes,vrtheny . foprrcev deodrecks pori. se number one the great battles in new orleans and he said i could never understand how killing 2300 englishmen qualifies anybody for the complicated magistrate. so he didn'tudrstan.

sobdcay r fl ss usu k aiarsto. hogbc to the campaign of 1824 in 1828. the accused clayo he reglar stfolcheyunc dm mierre yla thjckwaay t and of crse he was living in sin because he married a site scripting on the frontier and the actually married hisw sahell mrac aiedd 20 and is very vicious. the firstime a team that was in 1824. they're both running this jeffersoni republicans. thweevig-- ckcan cy s. thsuwe split. jackson won the popular vote, but he didn't have a majority. he decoded the u.s. house of reesenver w ea aith b cfn thth h o estivefor consideration. so they said whoever is back will be president. uceiaad foad to a vote for crawford. i hate andrew jackson will

pport john quincy adams. adams then made clay sectary ta oporsout v i'here ing al t is but would have been on all places course we didnunti clas ckwafr puli sednkthly to ekst organized. first of all he said we need a county committee in evry county to organize agait andrew jan npe t trm coted ysave annaalcme. o ns n n the newspapers to raise a lot o money and advertise newspapers. so what should have as a political party as we knowi to a adh anth rddrac. thftot jondeedla in 1828 and claiming in 1832 must jackson, that point clay decided toull thorganizatn and we nhest te y efon reicn twey thmc so hnoemti paanh ty based upon the rivalries o jackson and clay. so he ran three times, fr emen com t he a iiwr is ea ly ha ain w-arysmn a edfer ay.

it was a skilled in politics at henry clay. i have had a bunch of little parties or coalions and work government. theyaedet d-dpaanotal fangthpu rt i t-p system because of the campaign. why is there still democratic and republican party? most of fahba laot the weather was opposing and close untranslatable the bad guy. it's a complicated telephone is little shetland was lifelong rifle of lnoln. pat aytd t est der ol. so douglas was a guy. like i said he wasaans it nd eas,t grisaseat paes b t antial alro wd erica to stay together and generate prosperity and growth in the united states. the slavery became the great issue of the day and tooa step andi 5 ginhwa se wa fe t to twfsd toun esid assen s bd thst t contain slavery as with everybody to know whether they want to be safe or free. this of course is that because theel

opse byryenchne avinhtini wser rbt douglas satie, but this great idea to appease the south and y that wrong with slavery. slery is okay in the nstn. thopecwher eyt er t auuhaf c at afoentha agretired from politics. he was only a long-term politics , but isansa nekaatot b li ast bah icln oeratat in 1858 and which douglas -- people think lincoln won the bate and douglas won the election. 1 da ailel id ahers rt duglas was the favori of the democrat but by this time wiout the dirty decdand lygls whey wa. thusnto ro itthdedy ed es temti a the democratic party was the new national institutions hold in the country together. given the methodists and baptists are currently in national nstitutionhe or anutlot. an twey aus roedmcrc a rtoefoarn seio ey decided to proceed.

so douglas knew he wasn't going to win this election. but douglas didwsheroicdir ded topafo hilf hent eecmai ira ot ro ai mr. lincoln is ing to win, but that's the reason for this to succeed. it'sne nation, indivisible on thvyu emcrli tte te ptoo ou then gia ama miss he thenha him. we traveled through 23 states. agine what it would've been liketr hough ta d ai fwos mo. jaremes ghsl ou h ast. douglas had summertime to forge a compromise. the south side note the heme. we ca'bunerc . dos e osal. erev lndins b o h ep teed that the macro address every time i can say something to say that's right, he signed the rh ncwa t ot75 med osad you don't know these people like i do. you need to convert them or hang them in 48 hours. they took a veyagiv d. s as hnt ime hera rtd knowt e

hescn. ey ifir puanbladhi do. president buchanan said that f the country stay together. douglas said no keep he country oehe y ain h otad rpbs ar policies. he disagreed with them on other things, but we need to support them and the union. and so i thinkt' rtas oe ii r. thbe fti d deatt org,b baseball he made sure the northern democrats were loyal and so the republicshad a s tryocistir, bueraiis et. th wey alwa e dyrtre ep jrsavnd everybody else. because of stephen douglas democratic party is survived the waadesmeel bls. nicad da laatylelyin rmat i can get a leg in any son appreciated for that. so lal nstiaritco otfoanwlgto qution answer to the democratic party was a party that did not li big

government. balle tilsr p geaufwl jeng thhoyuh tis bereupedictable. granted only served two terms in nebraska, out offfice in 1896 had been out two years. only 36 year ln st knas biaor avg un ss giisch. thinsen atth populist movement or people are suffering under the economy and the government to start regulating railroads and nancial interest in providing some rlf brdihind c li pysong g octi cotindthe. thinyou' crazy. nobody knows who you are. they did this amazing thing but heas a tspeaker we to e ti cntisll id tos hling mt. e ba te whr eesd np supply. there is no money in circulation. i can't remember exactly, t for exmple in t stat of ka, thmone ciat196ae in o nk $ rs thist money. so plan was a big advocate of the three coinage bills come in generally tr rd dp opo ha hnaoaale her wheng deti platform on the

democratic convention. so somebody said, you know this is really a great opportunity ai'or, lbe sapte iisve o d ohptheeand he's giving a speech he says chicago auditorium, 10,000 people ther. there comes this onmn al u hets. dcst fy mi wthimf ee th last wave we shall not press down upon the birth labor this crown of thorns and he spread higse asonth cr hed oulloci in assfgl. hld oor v nd cet quiet. everybody started screaming and hollering. people were crying. here's our man. weg ols ufgr cve. ie on nm ll jngn. anto regulate wall street what in the name income tax and women to havthe right tovoe. w phiono rer aid. asexelrdc og it sdithe16 cagnllemo exivestiamn is because big business is terrified he's been a small fortune. they are 1000 peol durng eetthutocpe's

he ntiffh vodf of jennings bryan your fire. if he wins, don't me t work. brian ran a of a campaigne cace,buho tithcovas, leent to liberal party as they are today. two other folks have also more recently generated a political change, harry ater i em t t s r in w ar git me. they transformed the republican party and the conservative party. under eisenhowerdol d tsadaor atpuanven de soccda wth welfare state in their free and uld repeal social security. they said we need to slow down the growth of government. harry goldwatesa techno. extremisis tur o r ryouotomor sotorheubn y el i've been talking too long, slow rapid george mcgovern, like barry goldwaterls uyotip ifo i anap i mb96he conservatism is dead becuse of barry goldwater.

he picked up the newspaper november 1972 would bethe same ing on theere or coerbeau lili sen th wcit ws6 ars after barry goldwaterronald reagan ran most of the conservative campaign in decades at the presidents and also in 92 rcgo ced e itofoc wav noesouehhl ededor ckma in 2008. brennan, john minorities come activisthr itweh tsapig n get maot k e ltr de l tquy t e is h investors campaign. again in my book i don't write about anybody who was president and mom. tell me about theuys ev t ecpren ra bm e ok esch. nogiotkou ra obama. let's talk about a couple ways in the past campaign. membherengt notednluan ma in gbao prt. no ever tought henry ford should be president. and ross perot said i should be president. ands dvrywe caedot iti tr teo sed kin 2are oad rnthnt

we carry a few groups. meers of its moments. remember how we used to talk aboutis? y hewo wayo cr ats the52 adlai stevens with a serious issue with adlai stevenson was smart with the american people. republics onhe scolyed roma. enenr d soe insusqu cue,houldn't talk like that. so there's crazy things is somehow thdemocrats with the eliteltulaa puanven idclstitar 9 rty 's case the oscar campaign in 19 first roman catholic to be nominated for pren ttney hest er si hthmed prm. those are the things that go one y. it so uncomfortable to tk about religion bush's move on. ve mpahees tu hmaha ta a icape keayi th fct that it's against prohibition. if all these reasons. when the likud members the

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first expressway system. new york had fewer problems after world war ii and the economy than anybody else. he was a very decent. ws-ave e rrtuan stng apls the first term. he was still very unpopular religious people thought he was. the reasn it did do we just kind of dn'to much to win 48 th allttu. r v aree mp. tr, know i like harry truman, too, that he actually landed some republicans dt y h anyat l o bine he wthopwr exd. t t im fth trat very bad and it did do we have some managerial skills and i came away extremely pressive. umoue pnt fiemfrco tes ia. >> we have another question. how will the republic convention goer from it is not command wh enoughlegain yopin? enertein quon e had mply -octi e ckdl stevenn and it wasn't even running for president argue such poker main address and the epbli wovewas ve

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about that. first of all, it has always been that way. there s a iewhenenrylay wa omedhre. pe w'tntd il bsey n ti era lyd i u'ntested in it called boring losers about the notion of failure in business. he pois out e failures to be conidernde. weihd as bt ilo thve i ur b ientity. he's a failure. nobody would talk about i. whatid ey w? rtftcagg lt ittlka tndustrial revolution, commercial revolution changing our view thing as opposed to a farm-based economy. bacteria as tlsincaes us g ynge ity cl. 'se aekain taoo vou place. ..

how is he remembered? heet the ball go throug the games inh'wds. 's pl e h . pe hit vehahohgetoe n. that's too bad. i -- both outstanding public careers but now they are meedo beo >> mcrs t ee outhhehar er winning elections, and that the big thinkers on the other hand are much bettert tu bo dip adip atynh eyacly president? >> can you rephrase that, i'm sorry. >> well, there was a story that came out recentlyomine heogoh-waty micl n t moeeoth ideal logs that hedgehogs are associated with. so the hedgehogs a more sedter wig eloat orsd te en the ly est e n? more flexible. >> i think a couple of responses to that.

one, sometimes i think the hedgehogs, beingmor aggressi thhisomo paanl id scpe. inece ryharil cr that we don't want -- we sometis worrythe elections are about rivial things. i think it's delberate sometimes. if you thi about theci wat oaiman is cleler ito uyat. himeswer avist t sensitive. think of abortion today people have strong motions and peopl are pretty much -- folks on both sides feel strg. bu i u h he cisstyelo n pi. yoeshngyri settles the broader public. when we talk about stuff like this, we never get anything done. let's talk aboutthings we can agree on. i n op t k a eshareidth spinpsie rm re opff ithink people are scared the country is going to fall apart. this year i would saythat k st r lke ve biiue tn r. gr e r s mistake. he talked about at war that made uncomfortable. he said the charee blvmer nhe i resifoe t io eanb.

veeo gh ave aged with him the war was a mistake we needed to get out sooner than later they didn trust m. i k aipee agwihs o su maon r ntpt pis not good thing. the way he talks about it scares people. i rad johnennedych chanite t ow . frenpl u think these are issues that cat be resolved. dation las said lincoln said the problem with senatoroulas he dsn'tenehaa n g a an is hed unueolo esl a you need to keep it out. i think there's, you know sentiments to that. the american peop s moral issu are ry 'lerrelvh s o osds su >>-odoyohth setor mccain's running mate choice will reach -- let me start over. how will mccain's running mate oice fo vic prdechge hotuicpid a seed t f ol prlyetg. i think if you go to back to governor palin was selected. it was exciting.

i met r a few times. she' haing. thitapit ve he s hewrrl t ththw'tqtes how she would react. i thoug the hbo movie was fair and so was the book. here wa pw nn a coy in te tl diyod as keaym ayn enori and e makes a few mistakes and you're subject to the ridicule. she withdrew and he was ngr tht intfre a ni a 's ce cngryeat ntum net w e uth people. you talk about a lot of talk marco rubio. the same thing, he'sattractive i did dmammic. i don'tnk w hou m. it'pntee ve. aerpremh notiatfoe repuicans going forward. is that if you can wrap up the nomination early. you ca start thinkinabout the things. e bit dsaervi pren to see mcrn he ndth naberet 1972 election. hue better humphrey challenged. they were preoccupied with fighting the cifoia ec. dn' so ti esofniose virentomio s hnemoin sd tn hours to think about who was selecting

thrunning mate. they were exhausted. they started up they had a meeting in the morning of thursday. they had to p t ne bore von4.. sohedrya eystngwt st o e prem mgern was sure he would get ted kennedy. he wouldn't give him an answer. finally, heriaydel ahbuhofpele o i. evod id' that. they had an hour to go. they picked up a name of tom. i a sartg at ommur th, n. odh o eycuphte mis. hed want to be vice president. he said, yeah, we love it. heaid is there anything we needo know about you? he said 'mfi. thut efrd errermm w hi admeltiesa elos tpy am t and it was a big problem. mcgovernampusser bank accounted. came ou and said i'm behd him o wei dpehm few days later he looked like a lier. i'm sure they would like as much time to think about it. >> te st cle ct

e tesfhpe athnfnc w yos t flin ro's? >> we're getting out miff of my book. that's okay. >> i think some other people saw it on the news. itkomyah tsthauacig 5-. aig r't being run by the campaigns. what they ave it's what the superpacks are saying. there's no ordination between it th'unnthgi er tiaill instto i t em u ci t visit the citizens united case. if i'm the campaign manager, i'm has beenppyr 0 ioec 'm colle ss idohethm fifoecpar. what most people know about me don't know about. it's amusing to see how it changes american politics. oup e es f wra ? ye r? nale 192, he endedubvbrd ca9. ouve are hry kndg erashbda i thck i kecte lg extremes. i picked the ones who i thought did the most. not even the people influence

world histo. peop sayhydty ndinre hen' arymta idas en me pl dii min the united states of prepared for world world war ii. they did not want the act to go throug osevt asth g aid meaan l ther pehit powegi at coss ut ready to end the draft six months before pearl harbor. it passed by two votes. it due to himtoo e poinab tht hat ch hsy,d ge li. thabhi nt pocapes dsseod the end. there's short sketches about 1,000 words a apiece who was nomited d lot. a'espl ersgrtew heaueor e f e emuran any other attorney. he was the sing noarnt bron v board of education case which is one of the last ones. thhe toha s geeman afn-icned rg iahea yur olid john. why go practice law i think about how would john try the case? that's what i try to do. 'srhhod mallosue t wy th nst hou oweyonur

who heard of lewis father of michigan. michigan would not be much of a statthhi edheisive ch oundpic olte itw tct lt. he was a leading expert on indians. he brought intoth british ntheho d a-uhe teinarrs itsey'ott i e y ok e yt e it encourages people to look more at these people. they provide wonderful examples i think in politics should be better than thewinners. a loferehrm ha einhots i l ou yu theolo at the bib graphical essa i enjod spending fo yas with these uys dnsabe i o ean ha eyeap eyedeinnabr place in history than they got. >> yes ir. >> [inaudible] [laughter] llha y. u t . if la ad2 ai yoyel george mcgovern was a disaster. they were the most influential losers in history. willomgri nt

vensiyes going to break a significant religious barrier. the republicans are going to nominate the first caholic. think thosereprtan bars wa.aegteuo ab caicd lis tianeor bls. fastest growing church in the country is lds church? it's going to make it more gitimate in theeye ofe nepu? ats ea i evit n b a iclen. inhpuana thrt ata important turning back. if obama lose ?tion he was way too fato the left. he to go back to the center. same wh rblty h e ur dion oue che er th wjounn du tamgn a lo o people said we should go to the right because we are going to nominate a republican. they are going to hae a debate ov whiwttyo hoeyl ndaea oioavnd im awthpyi in bl te. cod be this year and could be -- every loser impacted american history in a great way. thas e ogy ut e gu soee fge iy. mepl rm innc we won't know for decades who that is.

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-trifot targ american muslims. this is 2 hours and 15 minutes. >>lle or r indall f vighsshaes e t me's omofal jusce under the law. protecting all americans from the scourge of racial profiling. racial profiling is t atnfreic ro b owheeow asveat sct afn-icreen esseesdeio d bralolen during thegreat depression, many american citizens of hispanic den weor t me dg re reio riorar i, nemense de hean confined in internment camps. 12 years ago, 12 years a in march 2000, this subcommittee held the senate's first er heg acil itveyhena hncrwhulte apte ane gal b president george w. bush. in february 2001, in his first joint address to congress, esident ge wbu said thataciaofg s,te g, wll in er ofqu tth e da hearing from the promise president bush made that night

11 years ago. in june, 2001, our former colleae, tosse oe oscn,d e na sd moce aroniaprli i wathere. there was bipartisan agreement about the need to end racial profiling. then came 9/11. in the natiol trauma at ll, l ltiam aitaal cu. aramanmen sl s a ic fanaonalrigiand ligious profiling. to take one example the special registration programargeted anduslisi qug tom gi wthinrce rtn. hee, cd t ogtoin. thweero i would help us in any way to combat terrorism. terrorism experts have since concluded that special registtionas me riesesnd fe altepatir icanerli mo tha8000eopl registered under that program. more than 13,000 were placed in deportatnprees. en to noab us fpoio usecrera. han trire ti be ia gitiro? none next wednesday, the supreme court will hear a challenge to arizons controveial migriow. es oexeof a at dte lomees icers

u tuif at gaimat have subjected hispanic americans to an increase in raal profiling. arizona's law requires police ofcerso ke miiostny dialthot asleiccl othae pn unme ira whs bsis for reasonable suspicion? arizonan's guidance on the law tells police officers to consid factors such as how meonsreanir abyto cunen gl twrmri ane gel ed o ste attorneys general filed an amicus brief in the arizon case in which they said, quote, application of the law requires racial profiling. oseduote anf se afn-iccoue ceiaofg he reansilk er thtrag tragic killing of trayvon martin is now in the hands of the criminal justice system. but i note that acrdinto a afvileveat laeeheus nd uo rod vo in ot asdmawacmina closed quote. the senseless death of this innocent young man has been a wake-up ll to america. and so 11 yrs a eas na hngnci prineur t baquon at wdo ac ofg er we start by reforming the justice department's racial profiling guidanc issued in 2003 by attorney general john ashcroft.

the ance prots pliyera rct qu adnaw rct vi, ofot at ate frd we tbaoe n apply to profiling based on religion and national origin. and it does not apply to tion secitd border curi ition shexio a aceoprleer mus hiicri. tonisan congressional research service coluded, the guidance, quote numerous exceptions may invite broad civefodialf mi ern on ofg ti daonsmohny anedi lr ed by 1 senators and 3 members of the house asking attorney general holder to close the loopholes the justice dement racial fi an cossul as enciofgctt weed adaof cogud erbe the committee, senator cardin of maryland who has taken up this cause from o colleague senator feingold and he's here today to ttify. s le awa y atr thrwin mit l foenic or their jobs admirably honestly, and coureously. they put their lives on the line to ptect us evy sile d. t inrotectf feo genac ilcr mistd suspiciothat hurt all police officers. we'll hear testimony to what has

been done in a positive wayto deal with this iy ridef ic 's a rct er ng op rl il ra prinunin t lelad strikest the core of our nation's commitment toqual protection for all. you'll hr from the experts on our panel today. thevcear detr tra ofg lys wo hotos hngane tden rl ofg aca at long last. senator graham is running a little late. senator leahy is out of the senate this morning. but was kind enough to allow m cnethar anm wl emto rd. gotopeflto nagr whe vet thim g, because we have many colleagues here who have busy schedules of their own, i want to turn to the first panel of witsses at eto w tte ividemef ic pci i tos heg, t cl. 'rnotojo t byur cleags fr the senate and the house. in keeping with theractice of thiscommittee, first we will hear from members of the senate then members of theho a ac w ioa t hoenoha eug a i aid'lve t veh h cogu eait wavee nutefor opening statement. ur complete written statement will be included in the record. first witness,enator cardin, a former member of this committee. sena sor era ilacchro -sor isser inec ar be suommiee. tesfied before us last year

at the first ever hearing of this committee of the civil rights of american muslims. senator cain, we're pleased yocan join us od eaoc sorbiirle thyor dep iscote in c veis sumi a tme lrsin mkingle that civil and human rights are going to be a priority of the united states senate. so i thank you for your leadership and thankou very much for calling this hearing. 's alee ber al cagu rtaran awl ser er h aoaradip lfci rigs a these issues. congressman conyers was a real ment to me when i was in the house anilis and we tk u vmuorr er oisue ser bioupod thheiohias ke-- o a unanimous consent to put my entire statement in the record along with the list of the many organizations thatare supporting the legislatn th iil70 tet,at ine onho by tdytho e sad, loth tragic death of 17-year-old trayvon martin. a very avoidable death. and the question i think most peoplere asking, and wean jue hised e uihad ave rt ost stiod a v muan st stio ie n t me sure that justice is carried forward as far as those responsible for his death, butlso as to t veat if, le ththes ted b aerswhr

pl aeyvar be sgled out by mr. zimmerman. and that, of course, would be racial profiling an area that we allieeo edgedfa arthgicy g al fi l foen oer i filed the end racial profiling act, and as you pointed out carrying on fm senator feingold's efforton belf oh giio anuryh fur er acon wee em o te whve cons t giio idiaj leader senator harry reid is co-sponsor. racial profiling is un-american. it's against the values of our ti it car t4t ent nsti l ec ohe w 'sntodve in saf it wasting the valuable resources that we have and has no place in modern law enforcement. we need a national law and athyncge ittopoo t oo pbie uf ral il t u ra hny,iolorigin, or religion in selecting which individual is to be subject to a spneinign, acty tfi o arv, a fr, et aes ls government. it requires mandatory training data collection by local and state law enforcement, and a way

of maintaining adequate pci anocdu gnnd raprin ss mteo thr rthss federal funds. the department of justice has granted authority to make grants to state a local governments toan braes int h sut ums gs llerimme o thy. t usconcdes statement will give all the details of the legislation. by quoting our former colleague, setor kennedy when he says civil rights is the gre ni bes ri i k temo ar nttory tin hi tr e justice under the law and s-1670 will move us forward in that direction. thank yo >> thank you, senatorcardin. ht ahareat painismndan abo iid room will have an overflowoom in dirksen g-50 which is two floors below us here. ser amuged ocwihewss xtiscoeshn er e spr t alpliacan member of the house judiciary mmittee. serving in the house of representatives since 1965 john conyers is theecond longest serving member. i think second to aheem omch ot mien ngma crs tfiat tresat hegsra fi i 00 . congressman conyers we are

honored to have you here a a witness, and the floor is yours. >>hau,r. chma anyo coag w anr former hou member, if i rember correctly, and senator ben cdin as well, a of a innth ck oa huge discussion that has been going on for quite some time. when i came totheongssd d onudry mme touan sra, uellas then the chairman who did such landmark work in the cvil rights actf1 thelo uite r ts o d fr that time on, a gup oflacst orzas,ilh pe, d ican goodwill have all began examining what brings us here today. and accounts fcrle

lansai tet tan ol rm today. i come here proud of the fact atresut ginin isar yrdwe had a memorial service for john peyton known by most of us here fhe t haesond ntte cri. tst in the court ss and in the law, but what i think it is the purpose of our hearing here y. naa hst sconouh sct h c m a conclusion of this part of our history. and so i'm just so pr o ouor cng h a ntngdss bee going to turn on more than just the legislators or the deptmof ti iam wuin iminmeth recommendations and i commend eric holder