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was nhite chieff right wing. two pillars of right wing miss. libertarianism,remafrues s gnm. cova, val rinseativ and. and on both fronts the bashes aided both of those things and sell themselves in opposition. be drtheast uran poli has fuher me fm tlo youet in ofor we b things is fascist, of one is racist, homophobic,o in some ways the best working definition is sply a conseivo is nnanum charious cliches that people use sort of like fascism

as a way to sort of righe gument inhe war of thouct enlyces ao tetu larnt that are masqueradg as not a logical points. >> that's part of it. a big part of it. so orw wris,oes meoric s of hi s tomotike prefabricated henhouses and end up doing our thinking for us. if you buy into thedea without aiondeaonusce soincendd yohoagrewhe ulrdy ceoie ten minutes before the in the because you have let someone else do an enormous amount of thinking for you. the sl justice is it lonpt nd sfeg t

olams. up y a doing a lecture and they would save i disagree with you, but i would defend youright to say whever it you want to say to theea eeres. asomlo ccaesav wle. oe rearo bel fascism is because i was so fed up with being called fascist. a cursory view of the literature would reveal that the were abouaot ozi goldbs. nod hakids are not justified they don't just have the tendency, they're trained to very skeptical of what they think is ideolies. ma pspitew ti den h atr that sounds like really is the logical statement.

peace to strengthen something. and then they wi s, oh, i hi bidius atlene sveyt, f is n e lltame nd nereaat ra. >> we will come back to it. or, you know, the one eye open up the boo with. av h s to m wiefhe d toig ay t wsiow. >> the administrators nodding. no, he is a stesman. wpu i tluioud ofim. fiof, d'tel m. iatraryn e cek. ve a lot of college campuses. these kids are willing to denounce the united states of america as a totalitarian rim gr r, dtar.

e rso toha recisely because it is not true. he c in ari re no y. fst o as bravery on the cheek, way of making me seem like some sort of less impssed of the pern. s t g tka di and take a bullet. no. he's not. lastly, it is a way of avoidin addressing anything that we have actually talked about. ayinke t deg mne me tngsd nd in fth one. the principle is one that everybody agrees wit we live in a society where we should defend the rhts of the

talsed,eheeneff touey onbt wou icod 't anydy with the principle. how you apply the principle, with an absolute principle no ja bauow ery d iene b ntjal. veheif oild 's worth it. well, but conservatives on the position. secof all ifs rdn av w b as4rs t s miil-pin s o onet tall because that ishe only way to guarantee that we will save the life of the and one child. announcing conservatives don't poti iotritt w t ut t c de twn csevas

ra andlso rtians and marxist and socialists, the core difference since liberals apart. goo the intellectual history thhatsen.t in gil, what we're people hold and the liberals only care about, you know, getting the important things done. inkon i that is note. eoca nog g t. t mat o common sense that everywhere el in life if you want to know, if you want to toin ut y bse about somethi tnkinob wiy ay people personal when i begin sales. a personal inventory of what you know about yourself and what you

ant crvat ait th sont eoca, th siously abouteality and i say we think more seriously about reality precisely because we know what our ases are. if you don't know wthe, iu'akit ri nehau inhi eltiowndennce asow necessarily the silent center. you say that is a bit of a sham. >> yes. i am n part of a cultf the nt. ere t aoly bar itizn anye k art of the problem. a lot of honest, decent, pau reporters and journalists types thlv b a tele toethorical center.

i don think it deserves. let's put it this way. think anybody knows athing about politics know tha t sttepe in lim o t m idio ahise entieb i october, whenever it is to move form a focus group, the las undecided to have been listening to the campaign forwo years. grany, d yoc in there will be like, oh, i just wish i heard a little bit more about education. i was -- it was interesting, but abthirmehearm sin te untag has ti is on kduti and at that point if you don't know what these guys positions are by late october because you haither not bee payin sor mng t

ra >> they might be perfectly decent people in their own lives and may be brilliant in their our lives, but they have not been thinking of pitics seriously,akg r tinsp carnds coea w wes ete. usheef tio lt-nu, the most important voters. the independence, late bakers, the people in the cter, the reicanmondyhikha aronsednesho differences between the two parties, these are the people who ultimately decide elections because the bas have already made that the min. his a tow eioenoupe hibo ti gerly. i generally think that i can

have a lot of respect for an editorial position. mon.uspe tri bi ltuff or pay people a lot of money. limited government. thtr pit bloberghetic, b tseelhh reimposition is to take a little from both. somehow that is the more coherent a syria's position toe ookhat s lavg arntutthe d idot. e sonb a idi aon need it. we will build bridge the goes halfway. itsy vtue splinthe cente is t c pel a

icetr he al pce simply by virtue of calling themselves the center, th the idea that they a more el-yoc,ar aocn't buy the sff. yeopls. fo covering mitt romney. his message to the audience was that they want to focus on getting senio citizens u tteo ye i ateime usuc o yng pple erf minaifnc ampa. >> yes a no. i think it may not be a waste of time as a matterf cold, nica calbo econ amaytav teuttewioe reicans not to go. i just think it is a sign of the destruction of our politics.

te.me thiithhe you e hiet rtusnd based solely on the year of their birth. iomreost recent addions. itthske t e sdte cizanvedneration by barbarians,e call the children. it is aolutely true. babies, you kw, the factory preset of these human condition an,tu, anyf pnackf lifny ana erl ll y, and we only get over that condition of stupidity and a marriage and lack of respbi as getlder or less. e ulreut g leata

theras no on tiles -- the wise child. dallas like to imagine the emperor has no clothes idea. what if some kid had done that in a real dto riman houpitests. anyway, i think that pandering to use is one of t m iea he mty nee o a i amisiting college campuses more frequently than a red bull delivery truck. romney is such that -- hs not thild thinu he is such a stiff. . >> ar erygoe >>s chgour nt disco. is just uncomfortable. is just don't try. this election cycle he is inn abcaeight place in this regard

edptle t againeore ns a008 er wo u w orh aack a a charismatic figure and ran a pepsi generation campaign, it worked back then. fourears later given the structural uneyment oou le pspha wa ltl chntutheob esidourobably lp mitt romney a little bit. >> one of the things you talk about, a cliche often heard o college campuses, diversity is re.thiemtsldbay thayav tigt reic, wider, older. talk a little bit about how you essentially say it is a faulty arguments. dirsyimeshe as put it rsstorol i

te in many ways american diversity is a sign of strength. there is a reason why we have not had the home run islamic bee repltthaeu had coor peoin fft urntr etd th roem with the notion of diversity is sength. it is supposed to be -- a, it is so ry reg alt subtler e ieda , one of the premier liberal sociologists one ound and did a massive weereanesfal svend found luntsmesci ran less comtment to community projects and all that kind of stuff. ople tend to hunker down and watch tv in the home w

noy p lal at specific public policy, but io think it is tru tt the rsatsomowed aeplameor on tcesav a oblem with it is in higher education where lee bollinger used to be it chancellor president of the unirsity of ignd itolbi isha deri ike ds as important as shakespeare, physics, or learning a foreign lauage. thldrgent w this is t lb s iai a ju take a man has been in chains

for is entire life and taken out a change in the spectrum to compete adequately and fairly. and sohefo becof gafvend meor hemen ths morally serious argument, real argument. also to disagreements about how is appli and implemented. allhatdet rl gunt pen tt iny mind to mark ran to the cover of this diversity argument and simply said diversity is just good in and of itself. if you vistlese yo t y kw, wle thmbonage iv i n ahaevee. black kids eating with black kids in the cafeteria. white kids sting with whe ds.

blem he ivum, a license to empower a ministers and bureaucrats and what not to play this gameg gealasored w isoln ge sal fha. rather than making an argument. so that is my problem >>hoyome ahor s emp s bizarre and creepy the way a lot of schools have been importing s. appointed this was to be helping

african-american citizens cannot bring people in the other de. so thats p o tueio atthin dhi th eal t diversity argument is nearly as strong as bollinger makes it. ihink that there are a lot of people - black s reolgeer odcaoncaan bck c hihaom ohe teri inhen-ic eience were part of the harlem renaissance. if you look at the successes of various people o tast 00 yrssi w n ntpaeslyf eiuio. is this comfortable thing that people, is cliche. people get to settle into as a acrytoccplhk an thiou i mht

gr what t li a. we might not. i d't know. simply the idea of throwing your nds up and saying we embra this halark conpt a tournkfous t t t rsve. ohen fu chapter because in part it is aimed at barbara streisand. beating air about the head and neck with a frozen flounder. tholaratr wetl ba seindub l.imheeyicked me up as a columnist. in my quarters that is pretty good. but she has this linen their diit derty thctt they had fired a very left wing colonists a

iteceerle wheouth me h l tas mns agenlyh t. find this, there is part of the problem i have with t whole argument. bill clinton appoints a cinet that looks like america and the did ri lyeve allow four different itnsdong y. kekif --s on hesoamig yoav aasesct c rs, bd if one state wants to live in of very conservative socially wie.ervative white, that's fin scothano tt tsouroa teonitn,

at'sinth m t i aownnd make it more interesting country to drive across. >> talk about gay marriage. you see the different sid employinch s aui cehe b a traditional marriage, and arguing that this is about civil-rights. either of those cliches? >> ihink tha era is r hehig. >> favorite. >> treated me with nothing b deference their respective was very professional. >> pee morgan. >> vy m bu t c kp i and basically confirming the point of was trying to make in the book, that they don't think there is the logical.

youanosar i rtell all into these labels and theology andtuff. i don't think liberals think it that way. we just care about the qli. rely brs m that our ll te. conservatis are trying to impose their idea. now, i am sort of an out liar. agoas for civil uonten yea ieam mrie wa bn, m i evaban i wse repu.e the hee time, as a conservative and someone who thinks that we have traditional -- traditions for reason and social institutions or reason the nebl tdha ve hboll ohi nkt a

diloriged position to say that marriage ould be between a man and woman, and that do not think it is a bit of lunacy t say that people sit be th.e toarrwherant tmpin ts es definition of marriage depending up how you do your math has been a union between a man and a woman for a thousand, 00a sear hro basically in our lifetimes, not even all our lives. stilondeuaty toborn i think the si p ong t we com a long way. and it is the left that is trying to impose its definition of marriage on the country.d sfo

ae pnt. l tasn t gig t a. and sometimes they were right. i mean, hav nothingut respect for the advances t citstrglnd 's errethghide i wri tma m onouit y c have all sorts of caveat about going too far from what our point was, but at thend of the day the right was wrong. dha mh ng clmoromen's suffrage and for gay rights and for civil-rights and a these things and that the same time complain about how cold in craar. e ass eoiorcea , fo of tohereheple who were trying to impose their

ideas on society. the reaction that you get from the right, fro the evangal chiareoan cual w.etin the idea that somehow trying to defend the definition of marriage of his been around f tan yearssowon m a diou e r iyi t tayhe pssit and the way people talk about it it is always about how the right wants t control how people live on the left. in reatyef is tr to t cnt.t mpai sg an to fundamentally transform america. you can't say you want to fundamentally tnsform america im t i i tinome time sayt

ell,avy hsh vhe yimes a book review. one of the arguments is that you sort of don't really acknowledge ofch the right same peleonecsaly eghtch t say, that an't really taken a serious arguments. >> some of the criticisms i have a gun, althoug not many, have some merit. prlyulven tham ry inbouthesrnli e ie leth cche what i am going after are tropes of thougays ppl iohede aut t he ce ias atsom cpts vesich under one heading like community our unity

and these kinds of things. the way we talk aut democracy in this country nooctius ineemocracy without, you know, a constitution, without a bill of rights, the republican w-- 5heedediatg institions, mp the 4. now dn. sometimes individual is whs oheob ao ishean anth t cliche way of thinng about the value of unity and the group. sos yethe pront s r anigne b g

she about -- people think it is about english usage andll the rest, maybe it sy eangrtly my fau,nk er of b t publsrves colel il as crg aoly. th key difference i think is that conservatives are honest about where they're coming from. when a conservativeayhe vemesothe pem, an toln s em. at i a statement of principle a conservative is opening up. this is where i am coming from. cos ihet mean -- absoly etbuenio atelsol about finding the term death tax and all that. maybe is necessary for politics, but i dot have any great

defense of iall particularly fuy.eou kw,t' t jleevw,t's o pin c h irom any angle and get some reward. he says colbert to my you know, of course conservatives and reblicans have theseliches ensoayl, a t it idoits iikne ne of the book as stated conservatives and do this kind of stuff. the difference is that we kw isa t libebtyg st splmesf t dohannd allhe t wt works. president obama the day before he was inaugurated the rally in baltimore where he says will we need in this crys aew atofepncom gy bryomess endll

no white is ineligible long in there? i mean particularly since he is clearly not refring this n lo onlyri toheeoe' lils'tlendy g attracted chase. back to pragmatism and is actually took created by napoleon compaq to buy mks. michl oms a th n memtald th it ies >>e yesse. it is sort of i guess in some ways of the law related to americans. at this point going anywhere. caide.'t findhi-pty er t " o t isleng inis oisig aioheast cple of years. it is this idea that the two parties are intellectually bankrupt because they are baked in topecial interest, and some

ofse pfe fwi bu tng ise tsen es was bank rule that least in part by michael bloomberg who is very set that this country does not recognize that he would be a ntasc prnt it in iiravin t nhi no jisuy wsee o t m obnoxious city in america is not necessarily the greatest platform to then run for a national campaig for president. iser o.n aevss tngike l hain their from lbj. why can't we get past this horaogalfencnd arrk ari lete to? d iaveeafent rs o t.

theroblem with this, there are a lot of problems. fit of all, you don't believe in labelweave a al pbl the a f tal s kifmpta cy tsgond il cve complex ideas. they transmit civilization to the barbarians who keep invading is when ey're born. and the ishatdre t i reatfaneaf be tt i have never heard in washington politics, i have never heard abody say that we need to g beyond these paisan labsnd is caive. thanu hu up and do with their program. so in man ways it is simply a yo0 lal pipng please drop all of an i s muc o

discussion. i would much rather have an argument with somebody who understands where it's coming from, knows what he tnk is i w i tpion be f jrnm n , n oen tihi t good, long form essay in the new yorker, the national review of the weekly standard or the mvalehasoa yve sry that conceals all of its piracies find these trojan horse things. evceartoo it to the rule of esroe trotosd washeviio atwht hoing for. when the defense attorney is

biased. but no one is allowed to liv e sicul idce yoneath o deestan lyl horyou' in l and at the end of the day, this adversarial relationship where everyone's biases are out in the open a accnted for f be lyo eldrue rulhe oross wre everyone, where the mainstream press, biases are hidden. it is left to the reader o "wngt",he swhy on eth ea a, ptory >> but it opened itself up with to why the hell myeading i on the ont pe.

nk t no t i tlyderseg of reasonableness and in the logical agenda. in the review, i will just give you one example. abe c fun m ft ss, kerdoot deta t r goio asng say the cost of living adjustment for social security, how much to raise the cost of living adjusent for social security ccks is at the hea wt alegtiar ab wreovnc iay ect otmpf sne proving the point of my book. his example ofhere the real action, the real compromise, where serious people live is on the debate of howuch to entdi aa an i iay meho uth reform where we grandfather in people over 55

but can create some sort of market-based system where peopl are more onsie for merean t koto ts, am i nu eret fmil to concede all o the major arguments to the status quo centrist liberal thheyeasen ito gu ihohge echoul g them a serious adult who is tking about the real rules of governance. these people strike me as exactly theind of liberal and stusug i t t lys n evihepta d thart pgrs of history is irreversible. therefore this serious republic conservatives are the th eabshndhenntmple sen, a

abt ernoe ks ouetsuchr or this much bigger. i reject all that. >> you talkboara rean as a piibal. e. s. who would be the worst offenders on the right? >> cliches? ionno rslyhi oha loglt ib w b you know, the ones that bother me are a lot of the ones that come out of the bush administration. i hated compassionate ervatives. an tmeuye,stam ier comms for the "washington post," defendant.

>> trgent is this th n oubcan. ur d ipetlod t. there is a really bad tendency and punditry on both sides to think that your preferred policy is right and good and wise and soesorat pits. , ye t ec iiv the republicans the gay vote. pay attention to the 30 million evangelicals who would have just bu fd avehe e. lenktau polis g that it is also gat politics. that can be the case, but it is not a lk. e sionate conatm m ve t aenot lot deap a iinit

needed some way to reprint conservatism. a perfect valid argument. my problem, someone heakes thlv rlianide cng woraove nto reblicaraso move toward my position rather tn have conservatives give up the principal position in order to cater to the political parttences of the republi sit ofll,onab a dt n. used to say, and a different kind of conservative. i am a compassionate consvative. alnyin oferi'dieninf je, kifr arin, a compassionate american, and a friend of catholic, it i incredibly nasty thing to wa rea b fm.

pemh compassionate conservatism, and you find this in ridings, and honest and decent guy a a wonderful writer, there isonsi. suf ers iryevei orr outdated big government programs. sort of the new deal great society. prenush,aykw,its. w t nt t one american has a problem we all of a problem. and these are absolutely ludicrous propotion is to me, asf cls bvery sil re fhe b do d talk to conservatives, and i don't have

a lot of illusions about how much, how my liberal buyers i have up there, but one of the things im trying t as iay he bk,ha ifors m n , w, the heshis oeeing the world in affects us all. if you don't know what your history is you would go with the people who teaches history. and so the w we are tght oueatcrc t ifou k tautci knhether side of the story that you're just going to go with it. it drives me crazy. ve made peace with it.derves t lse nm a thk i made a chink in the mor of that. erican political discourse d ihek rey o

thlvga gingno these sorts of arguments that the left makes. there are everywhere in our culture. ve dbook is notf rlicans laulre htory, ra, ale yw int rard >> mitt romney better of running as a severe conservative or compassionateonrvative? >>roba css what the hell is a severe conservative? i would never advise. nitialn hipeec hnly l tuntr f ad. mn speaks conservatives alike is a second language. that does not mean i don't think

that he is, younow, a closet liberal or any of that. tixpie sshuse cova aoe n kw tok sff. and i don't think there is time for him to get a conseive ar h sak. p hem f t gig behaha alng his authentic and authenticity problem. it is st of like when you see an alligator for the first te ca b rl.think it's fake. 'suaea tt'tu mtom lthtuha us tra. he has this personality that i think is decent andce and prm radkehe s

e who could be animated off camera, but the second the camera goes on his like the caaig aththfin the old cartoons than what the is. a pretty stiff ultimately very decent impressive smart guy who coatngm f t c ngb a o thatdf uf r bad. also, tries mean that t republicans. they read their effect in stage direction. enhuchersn fnt coicth aote ache you don't get democrats looking to the press about whether or not they're going to play the

bo s will or go-. eaifha w wae e. m f of the first president bush. my example ofhis has always been in george's of the bush was a president. eom pry a eryone , god. and so bush gives a press conference where he says, in nos. h i reangrom le mho a think the edges sketch, we are going to have a lot of tell he is aor raw or. asp.

is he in danger of himself becoming a cardboard cutout or a cliche? >> the kind of is. you can presint oma i yiousndikeha asn se bome to tt periut. obama will say reagan is for tax simplification or indexing this or raisingaxes on that. histicerbl reor hrin th sid. everyone plays these games. conservatives are supposed to be wi dreonte positions. and csevitth o selv, b if i out the position that jfk took on capital gains taxes or that fdr tookar on rn

ge sedooow wson all right. who cares. in the past and all that kind of thing. i actually think history matters. adinth ior ps meinhe cte terinly a cliche nista the way people talk about reagan because he was a al humaneing. i highly commend the history ofga. mampseer ul. adou t heasling with a country that was certainly much more liberal back then. trying to move to center of gravity american politics ghard e tt suljue seitmguier process.yriti

your second book. you obviously writes for the national review. how did you put together a book like ts? bo, ia t lture references. and, you know, part of it is that the american, certaly for unr a bouer yor fou0, e icex, though language is filled with pop culture. in 19th century it might have pais i just don't wantes so waste my wasted child because i wasted so much time watching tv. i mit as well get something ad. cobus, watching tv.

my tn years reading above politics and political history. my fathewavetetuuy. enly t wagroond e oe. iet lot of criticism, advance -- criticism from my fans , but i thout t was nessarorystook tje wh y tnk caus in terms of my process, n one

of these, you know, sort of as rg t tas hix ben teryayfou enewa learned, it is very deliberate, a slow rer agonizes over a very immaterial. thingsbout beiheround oo t rn tri fan t gs so i basicallyook my laptop to the american enterprise institutend smoke of.y i theal io oneyav r of heor ts eabectth i don't smoke cigarettes. >> cars. >> cigars. it is caught now that the book is done i am cutting away back bar ad

es owwiet cls at -- a, that does not mean th're not bad for you. chances are terrible, but you don't inhale cigars. f tny wws w demeorrkth it is funny. i know some of the older journeymen generalists who grew drinkg cigettes wi car eroem b ave ok cwi togayotanhe gahis sde. and so i don't really work too much at a desk. hee o thi sfft d mlo ts. fascism either in my basement or in starbucks which is one of the things about the new economy

that i really like. >> tell me about yo brother. beg. bsouerre >>. roy only sibling, he died in february of2011, that undsig liogher. like anybody who has substance issues, he had great runs and then he had fall off theagon alucma t iat. l dgh otairs. i was in israel. my first trip to israel. i got the news that my brother hoal.asicallyrain dead i t d i a rlly lli

unal wn-ha d think anybody who attended the funeral knew about it, but anybody about these behind-thecenes knew about it. we.rything that could g wro w oad tull pg a w ber m b's w and that went badly. theospital went badly, the funeral service went badly. we d't need to dwell on it my d ddnix yrs ntom ck real taky, everything about how all happy families are falies d, sd not all unhappy rtf.s. t o tt've ngarimeang w, every family is its own unique little society.

we are the only peopl to kn the wrd thi aut our tianl yose athf juleofou eiret ahings that i didn't know that. that has been very difficult. have some wonderful friends and family. it has brought me cser to my heif wchs ne, tothela o nt. dtasee v hd my thertt imagine anybody is surprised. >> d it have any effect on your politics? dr l allhatyour iology? it h cifen of wsboowhink about family and it has always been very introspectiveamily got to begin with. butoesemd youf inedllfrin een

obvious ways with writing the book, but when i could get around to writing the book could help the little bit because -- i don't want to say hel buthe hheen ttt wasut tot o bu it is one of these things that has a half life. and then i am hardlylone out there. everyone deals with these kinds ofhings eventually in one y ofringct i leo textk right i don't want the word liberal to be in the tylenol. [laughter] i would like to read you something a little more reportorial. d ayodepte t vee setiuf t ssof a soinergouthe world and uncover something interesting. and other than that, you know, have lot of cumns to write aanogging to do

y. siefceth gig he boo >> how the hell of like going to eaay aeewimndil an i tnk that annoyance is one of these things that really hae o amuset through the day. llainha if something does is you want to know what you want to say. if you are just thinking something through, and will be a t of t suc. neanishe tmemeatssa b m rs le auaave a sense of

passion or energy of what they want to write about. hank so as >>nk favm ppcied. >> in a recent interview c-span askreblic esti boe fhe di

whboicron th vr e next 100 years? >> well i hope some of the things george friedman predicted come true and there are others i don'think we but i do beevehamea,saa winduaeed lil do economic freedom, where that was born and nurtured change the world from the very beginningofo iroctse arn nddean e tion i ev er cg urmea t tayaledi le o sby ue of our commitment to those exceptional principles. xtchadts au waa yifd s ho our views of war and the business of war has changed

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signing groups, and moving it right along. this is rachel's second eve of the d,nd cmdg mo s wkp e g. meninthoeyff rmnd aplse. they have been incredible. [applause] kanemleprossor of german studies, critical social thought and director ofthe women's study research center. karen has worked tilely t g ll eo t kahe d la good evening. i ls waed tgiveeners thksoo

i rr ca t hoe un twe celebrated authors who come here every week. thank you joan and thank you to maeowoveho. i d tkeu a minute to thanks and people by name and many of you know that we appreciate your work. i would like to thank elizeth leanho iedecof e egmests ar t id rr se administrative assistant to gender studies, mount holyoke's college. chris bercow who is working u ere. thyo l he po adny h rrede, foulo si he comfortably in anticipation of rachel maddow. i would also like to thank th

staff facilities management and the campus police for keeping thpeacanrip. k so h. d flyart ks to preside lynn pasquerella. she is very modest and she is also a frequent commentator on the raio, as you know. shis o the fs. [aus diinhvell women's studsech center, also celebrating an anniversary, 21 years. we are an international interdisciplinarycener that pp eksofein laacis,isnd tieromune anarthonal. in fact as you know, the pioneer valley and five lleges are probly the largest [austrion f fenin

and i invite you -- i'm not going to go through the whole list of events but we have a table ou in the lobby and invite youoicfr t or mi enn necole s. yo j t icoll we areespecially pleased to welcome rachel maddow this evening. the center is planning to launch a new initiative on m the did b sh dw we hg ri chmow ks t,ng with other women, who have worked prior to this rigously arod the world abthotitaydots opyoilmp to fanal be commentators in the public sphere, real, virtual, local,

mole. a y wof ra mw geus reoaer estio, d again she has been working tirelessly this week. veusesivbeen on david letterma mi.se tveo av m wlle wos itai o y the top for all of our students who are sitting. andthen one on the second balcony, and i orahe we lkeitot afra atoip rachel maddow is no strger here. in ft, a l of you have her yr nighbor. elsteerstio dohed yoin actt myoou

own pren pasquellmention she is a brilliant scholar. she is a degree at stanford university, oxford university. awwiglsirhssclan i aehebo "drift" the unoring of american military power and i recommend it to you as i have recommended it t everyone cluding the marines that i ow lo wisnh o th. mlryasbme private that many americans stay out of the whole process of going to war altogether. she reminds us that unexpected cof arr dlan laty es -- in baluchistan, pakistan's. she reminds us hat this book took a lot ofi a

ens ar h res istotyor eld ciha to say, read the documents and also llow the money. rachel herself on her blog said recently, the books no mos reic covas noenut itabras a great country that has forgotten one of the things that makess great, and i think we can get back to what that was and i would love it if we uld at ash a nonal ra mwis re wosateiota about it. so welcome please, rachel maddow. [applause]

[applause] ou erag thank you. i have four hours and 45 minutes [aus ofbg [applause] k veu kes 'tarin ouea i have never written a book before, and i don't think i am ever going to write a book again. t, wahmef n

hadoknowdo is no tng to do? i don't know. what i'm planning on doing is anent flllshor thing. a leboat hay yquond ar re any objections? hearing none -- and i will say two things as a tter ofreerence. sth sey e se.avco t maow me from and i'm guessing most of y do, but whether or not you know me, u itbo itn minooo nit oinfh i realize this isn't like hey,

i've met some who disagrees with me and let me tell you what jerk he is. tacatar e dwo cns ng darhtobt s hentome this is not the easy stuff so thk you. the other thing i would says, befo y lauho abeesbohe y n'reo aif l, e , oua meonarday night and talk aboutthe military, you probably like each other. [lghter] so are -- so if there are people re d nain' solo hi at e end. [laughter] ou bsist itksitlihau

t u -brd miniature ostrich with a shorter neck and legs or maybe like a pheasant on steroids with a sthen mumo hoa er rtl ma acaar in afghanistan and in pakistan the longest running military hak shown our nations history. nout in . min cuna rp boad teost infamous terrorist on the planet without givi a heads-up to the host government. the paktani lita and llcevio o osbl, d bg midoheoad st miman military academy in a nehborhood crawling with current and retired military

officers. incoetoretyprten tha m? anad xinho a se e t y abab spend an hour and a grounded and leave the country with bin len's carcass in tow without team detected, let alone stopped. whil rdeba ceatviorl t kiisnd t odgeshg ut uc t n laden in our backyardcount. they really focused on the lack of respect accorded their own nation by theunita on nsnontin as safthe raid. it's a violation of our sovereigy. the pakistani parliament called the country's military and teigence system into a rare and marathon ced-dr seio er edivea ottreve t

ecla bh did -- much of the civilians iyer. the united states he reminded everyone was a real draft dodger. they had ltle oue reteerwobe l e kistani people deserve some respect. the genel suggested a good first step was forcinthe s. tn eto bnoof ase mcoerof pakistan cald baluchistan. unfortunately in publicizing their demands, that the cia gel'soeatohat rbse, the riaknilesls t ab ungt rb pamebu tectt the cia had been playing armstrongs out of the airfield known as chancey came as much

less of a surprise to the cizensf te at se estage, ib gi unedcrhaend ly surveilling in the early stages of the war in afghanistan but th could also be armed with hellfire issiles. 20nde eqly i 8llyo04o ge wsh mira hse ne u arneac spdeor pakistan. in the obama administration takeover in 2009, the number of drone attack spike the next year the 2009 numbers more thanded e admstonus atepcyo owe cion tabu t days following, they announced that some key al qaeda or haqqani network leer was killed as if thevenert ovce thdrats become

the centerpiece of obama's recalibration of america's global war on terror, even if we di't call it that anymore. the obama administtiont no ten ul uak s t bier ter invawihe ons tfia rd from washington. it was a mexican standoff in baluchistan. here is houbara bustard provided a little wige rm inhat ws nay an, u et about, you know, you forget about homonyms. [laughter] when you are readingouou i a ayisyfgo ri lthelt ast edoiid not actually belong to pakistan are good and quietly signed over to the united arab emirates 20

arsaie an nd bee bais afbeng ll seularof suedbe among the most beautiful places on earth,aside from that though baluchisn is among the few winteringrouds hubbud th inh emmursl ti aemes sara. it is the sporof arab kings and the poor houbara bustard has long been the preferred prey for oners. n dioy w eaohaee ci hon butad t t-ayy t themselves a sizable landing strip so they could get easy access to the surisingly sought after remark corner of the world. ulte cale.is wr ft new yorker quote

the falcon is the fastesbird on earth. fabonhegr anarabusard i a itl acr,ere rdh mbfr. hei ad this is my single favorite part of the book -- really gross. [laughter] coueabi tse trickscie kjark enle yoowt on a bird, right? to inkjet a dark green slime ca pilin cdits vnt lue the falcons feathers together, making it unable to fly. [laughter] [applause] u dohao th

. a rteatwa aphrodisiac. coaritti ees tt iic fhts ba 1madeou bustd hunting as had the near constant in afghanistan so baluchian emerged as the dstation ot folteya -rth 2arsamor ane tiar n dignitaries had jockeyed for the best allotment ithe last good place on earth to hug this poor hoara st oipp f pakistan and honey for flood relief in

retaliation. air royalty shows up every year wi according to weer's sciopupei nd oentatte ese eriat hui tket with sophisticated laptops infrared spotlights and bustard seeking radar. mae not sporting, but certainly effectiv m st n cosit delam demed hug in the weeks after the 9/11 attacks, 2001 when everybody wanted to pitch in, they had agreed with the consent of pakistani president sharrato a opl.s o bo ifisc and also maybe for a few special and classified operations. in the 10 years that followed as e cia adts may prat le adresh

he-st rne f-tspt oir force. show when the lipo hit the fan, wh the food slime hit the falcon and the aftermatof the hoa arebo d n. un ss d t aiat cw not based in there and pakistan could say faith. government officials could say and they did hey we just checked her land records of the ur collerryer. av teano's for bustard hunting so sorry there's nothing we can do to stop this part of america's drone war operati out of it [lte we do codet. un aemes whwen rdin shand others use it for recreational persons -- erpa

neopedcolly sh and no skittish allied had to take the blame for having handed over to them. pplause] so, that is little bit of how the book goes. that is the best part it's not the whole section but the part about this line i n a en ta m t expert on war. my gig is politics. that is what i have pursued as an activist and what i studied blteuttesi.awh bikut

li. s t itsof g watpti of not going to war and the politics of ending wars that we are in. the consternation over t ef tmasu t leto lfl e u as t ..

he is r t t fhe cntdemrs onesraan puano.nd congress had a very serious confrontation over it, one that horrified general ford, a pupt congss was overstepping its bounds, they we so far as stepaiheyd wihoolro dngt wa . confronted even if they were not changed by that knew the attitude from congress that it is a balance. e ntes n vamht ousiy was thevn abms doctrine. head of the army as the vietnam war s wdi downdie thar, bordou omengalled tar icwhusy s h.

the idea was that the military woulbe restructured so we could not go to war in big ways witht dispting civia life callg hedeve he knew he did not want to make the argument about why that was smart to do. he had been makinghe argument as a politician for years that as n sri bdsotanng m ad w too dofoeelse he was not in favor of it and did not want to make the potical argument. did he felt ke he had to. wixphe dft was, oh, well, we dedes.pntry f dftonan bless you. but he avoided to know what he did not do because he did not cahe gdenesves

weoned pen wo e in the garden reserve, and i don't want to go calling up the guard and reserve if i will have to hear from these well-connected constituents dranepuiis ailto eryy cpa enuper onro in vietnam. it was used to expand and the stct armha yople. nn b m operation of any kind without having guardsmen and reservists there so that civilian life would be disrupted by the fact that we were i m at e d be eelind e tad poll and methodically at

the end of vietnam. and i think that was important to the polits ofar. ee toury cu oneenghe crifth eaid. ou tilar ins thi. reagan cnged a lot of that. he started a war in grenada with congressarely knowing about it. when congress said no h secret wtro the tit ay, fgr ng taw saissiy ey nt b new doctrine of presidential power that essentially said the president alone h one person can direct any more related action awhere ar, enct raio oawd ng w i bar. d tardeicio think was simply cooked up on the spot to save reagan's but coren nadi cne

that became unexpectedly important years later when congress is previous muscularity on issues ofar and nar di cne. instead of making surehe manpower needs in case theld thgntrye t se cupseas possible. th cone aintrio dhtombce a whheed getrod r itonrain sece in the balkans. and so the book is not about the

coressesanan inndividual or. oveindec mrs ar. the president's new expanded powers, the treaty u.s. military as one man'sersonal army, osporse n molero lifnd e niol tyge and more ienetble, more and more is declared secret. the politics could more and more waset lged lr. wrgeet i putting the magnetic ribbon on the back of his suv in the person in a bike lane next to them cursing a

a country that has not gone to war. i think people feel that onhe wearothear de after eight and a half years more than 4,000 americans killed whoe i e mb ito- siess roa de, but new york did not. these are changes that i think that happened overelatively short time. i do not thi there was a consra t se oanble h a decisions made by people looking at short-term political nessity.

theriwiou w t gheo lesm tut tl don wh eir grandkids have to pay for. i don't want to answeror how ho mhe'aygmans i and the plane.f tho thro they die or get hurt no one will ever know. i think want to do something for national security, the congress has passed a law ainst it. ab.er t dot gro t, b political constraints between me and the war in pakistan, so i will wage one in secret and not at'tnk afen askeabout it. revehoimndt k as autry t

tro these annoying constraints keeping us from waging w and kping us from using the military in ways that wd t. soes tngse rifrhen ths. osno aie e ret. the constitution is structured to put 535 squabbling members of congss in charge of whether or not to decrear because a mes ons abof ohe and t g a fy ed toyhe would have given one making power to the president and emphatically they did not. they talked about it at theime we can rd theiletters about morning we got from our constitution to make us not to warlike as a country he, n to make this pacifist. anand not.

i know that -ave l ospfo pacis a aayin aut es thing somereesry i doelieve that the constitution's structure best to be in deliberately peaceable nationeatis oeflt d isatatas b fpp ppe] ppe] iur t has bse tco theea s aunor too long they grow find this. so, you know, i've really enjoyed writi this. he writing, b i hi ild l test big

national fight about this stuff. good can all be fixed. thank you very much. la >> thank you so much. okay. we did not rehearse this, so ok.re not sure. gog to start up in the balcony. i already see someone standing, ready to go. allheiobond ask your -- the parade in st. louis, i was wondering, though, if you have seen any movement towardav

neork a i y justatnorotg are uilll veterans come home? >> excellent question. i totally think that there are two litimatize to the debate. to t tt htd i,-- i am inclined oar thendhe r w tould viayou veterans, welcome them home, a to acknowledge that this thing that they did has been concluded the pentagon plan thlin s is entiheame bigingh. we have 90,000 americans deployed right now in afghanistan, and so to welcome them home is essentially potil tyn t an ibstyeot for viewpoint, and a lot of people who care

about this issue as much as i do adopt that as their position. i just talkedo lot o te ickout, venlas. plesaner i ghtaghow kng h t heepe home to mark the end of the war would make me psyched to be able to think about coming home to do that for me when i am homem so donnk i - t thihisn iue eru'ro iu'n on.a wngyo i wld love to debate it. it is agreed that the ptagon said that they support the being parades every other country, eve oer city in the couny no d heyouil ilt o the veterans support the idea. the pentagon is advising against it, but they don't g the last word onhis. it o qio anou

wavueio in t >> tco >>es okay. >> rachael. i read and enjoyed your book. one of the premises of yourook . eitizol aer et fotserso fa thaa sni of those civilian soldis in vietnam revolted, mutinied against theirrmy, killed their ld, kil tices en the ris iscareshou t . s tehe ve emited t cil soldiers. they have turned themselves into a professional army so that they never have to face a revol again. wht'erenonedn ur yolk ts t mility right now about this -- i think

left and right cbination that af ought to bring backhe oopavidme t t b ss he ti nkeoher eykbohik w ntache draft so that people are more connected, civilians are more connected to the threat of military service and everyone th rso tsulys the ge. ddoot mh hean t eity sa ay bea draft. they don't want to be in an environment whether it is training for comt with people who don't want to be there. yoiglandt wa ue iietn te tthe d t j a mhs more dean a description. it is the idea that we are not a country that maintains a massive standing mitary force tha ti.re looking to use allhe i somngt diateb wienant nd

cizen sdier idea is that weave a peaceable economy and a peaceable country that is dislocated temporarily for the purpose of going to warnd then gackor atoteeruor nge,uts a . >>n . >> we have the questions down here. so, i am a big night. i had yr book overnight it to me and read it i advcef t y >>no oeehaherd gli. par >>en sme. i grew u 30 miles from the fund is riddled wings. so that as well. anyway, what struck me as intest, ierti abtherancuk theisnch, this authe diary. over the past we witnessed the role of the judiciary in determining what is and is not

constitutional. and one of t preses f t ok t tti h erep hutna it dla a i wri yon think that there has been a role of the jiciary in this to check that power. >> it is a totally good question , and it is because t cossha ddo e ciloat on ps he isou.swewisss,nd w you guys are sposed to use your equal power as congress to weigh in here and take that power back. onin t borou seeha sty. w bse iot atg af ng sin c to sto george h. w. bushrom waging gulf war one. thorolsdyi

kesecns on m. youust want to scream into the book, it's not supposed to be alone. ppla mebef reer aclyec sa fedel court injunction to stop the war. which is a crazy eddie. and the ruling from the judge in ease isaulng titer beaifly ulveenly j sten t bk. at the end of he says, and having concluded the you're right and the president is doing steffi is not supposed to be doing in these a congress's pors, the a cgr we. top,ut cnot jower be this dozen members of congress or over many people it was. you actually have to take action

as chicheaou wi yrsasy stno s t idfroi ts. it is a bucket of cold water. but it's true. younow, i don't expecty esid el pesaysa w w f psintus don't expect that any president exivanccedack power t t roh pde onf io psis. boiv aow. haheoury's best interests at heart and they're stymied all the time of the people in politicsou don't want the best ing for the country you won't give away whs t th pethion i op y id d't g is ln --ge

bthnl strches one direction. congress has to take that power back. congress has to do it on their own beha. and we d't vuc f reo thrht maemsike kyg [applause] >> first of all -- rd >>qstn hamoreo do with the nature of the war we're talking about. you talk a lot about formal wiit fio,sar iut my question is heat combatants of the legal reinterpretations a wartime powers, what does that have to do with the mility is eelntuen, v is diffent?

abige in terms of the way that we' set up as a country under the president's commander in chief powers to do somethingnnlm uneraynpe essce e way the founders talked about it was to do things like repel invasion. there are some thingshere i think thpresidt isiv of citioltth a aar veim knowlge. to thextent that were making right now is about transnational gomethpeorme avdehat th hwo teto llandheun o military power that we use.

difference to congress. we do a lot of milit -- lot citou the futi a anonc o mit ey a one that has deniability, i guess, they think. in terms of whether w ela u tthctns ianwh nte rct ttiatlur intest wts thelexibility to be able to act anywhere in the world in secret, denied they ever did i nev explain it, cer up iec jonnkhas i uanhyom ntat p, we si tveha r ast in a sustained way. at think it put pssure on all the weak points of where we were already drifting. anou unhe bco g eni

>> d ad >>nkuc b re with us tonight. my question, after the war in vietnam there was a very clear quononhe pfleion and ubndmeca leneomhi w. my question is, do you think that a similar time of reflection and questioning will come about after in the afrman red nnro o liioort t i big $64,000 question. that - when i was on theaily sh tsk tas 'sio ai me he prngertnapd heio peha was vietnam. do we need something that bega in order to assert, for example,

th, akhe k powerver these anth y d irg i tavtot o the longest war in american history, but alongside that we have fought anotr ght and a halfn rnd of patniginthose cote the b civilian population to be continuously granting itself multitrillion-dollar tax cuts over the crse of those war when y put all those thing toth t y ngustaabstteof w t o elas c. [applause] i am a big belier in pro nt

tple in the streets. [applause] ion't foresee that happening on thisss bau were ynto tthese aapngoume seteike set n' eeha k of social movement, but we also have the situation in which there is no partisan affiliation in terms of howeople feel about e things. pe fhe tisreoieos almost every controversial issue in american politicsifurcated by party or at least by liberal and conservative ideological se wonefas memts f anydyoeushnse esnk wl find they're pushing on an open door. there will not be as much

resistance as we think. i le t csist is w t niona thhaatltest movement. is going to remain to be seen. i do hope that this can be part of naming the problems that we can talk about how to fix it. t y ouonfmaon on urw,ri y t, so well researched. and curious how you ensure that facts are facts rercg.ou css gng one of the things that i find weird about tv is that there is not a history of on air mite oleon ofit wne d a

correction on air, but i we get something wrong and i try to correct it. for the record i called the jot --ohinr ne hes navdmal. myry. scd uat g u think it is like in your academic work. you have to do everything that you possibly cano make sure you know what you're talking out for u h s woanu t wng ero. you have to be willing to make it right when y are caught up for somethg that is wrong, especially if you catch it itactaneew e ag usav wor and carutt. thank you. >> go ahead over here. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> in youintewou we talkg abt tpuanree

youstdhaths t ar e phed. do you think that that is a good way for liberals to bringhe discussion back to the center d, pha toovnyore reeop t cn? du k sete ri t country back toward the left? >> it is -- it is a good question, and i don't think i iean,roemsto it. - a kw clit imitthse b bacally my idea is that on the ride you have the cservative movement which is well found, geneonhety thouavheepli y h in n that

awesome. i mean -- [applause] they noty w t . they're not as good at what they do as the democratic party is, if you reppgause -- i don't -- reocka on mn doctsou rug lal party, republicans battered many political party. they're not get the basic stuff that you need to do in order to reorganize, but they don't need to be use eres th nstiovent admss nd ru se ty' advocating against contraception are something in 2012 the conservive vement does not care. [alaus out e bl s-t ch tye onenatnal

wh yethiheme the right that you don't get on the left. democratic politichave essentially been the same for most of my adult life. the polcy p hotand. bi tht b tye aihaotot mre l, t h nov uch. publican politics moves so fast so far that there are constantly turning on each other and ving to reinvent themselves. john mccain and sarah palin ran isokoatytth

ersa i'tw. reicarerre and they're like looking to the ght. as he do that, democrats whever hey optein ecs cont rengr ty sei cry theaheteve rgch s reicwh fall off all the time. cova men tte

ng 01eig oe thhe wand 2010. they ran like they were in alabama. they're going to los h atamoe e o el d rgess owdo progressives how do progressives hearties to the last? they don. aur] weoio hror t yor wy some of the long hours and the usef information we had to work ways. to zedveatgato what ragtin our name and not under our banner.

legestdohoing who haste urs eoes recoa tf crisis? >> this is one of the things i think i doable. you'll hear in washington it's fa tserntnac naobweuten nse of contractors for military purposes. they both are going to dare those things are bacbut there's no reason to his it nsa uy. actaty ningul oob. wdobainha are soldiers had to answer for in a way that wasn't safe, they both sort of sat in my opinion stan pde ich is secretaryo thuc etr.i

so what they say in washington is the contractors are just too integral to what we do. we illed all he contrto -- coct-- ahe in s teolo hitoroyb el a. i'sure the contractors have made tmselves seem indispensable. but to read and i readbout it bas juand isturbingdtail ery isnee haurnd dying cornel these groups peeling potatoes. the refinements and military power before we had that appeared there isawaysei of acis oen pcothi like, food, driving combo is, the ap security come in tt of t

fuonalott go ll wb raed ce en f too. amara came from this nd of a funny story. and i think it's chuck are for. cou dne ites wiheesenren ss aisleleadership here at claire mccaskill is a relatively conservative democratic senat. if sheets reelected to ssou,pcel atese. >> good evening, rachel. i've been watching your show since the 2008 eletoral seasn, t non.th t fillee y ti cus. lvemt heenis l w t.srk

with nato and couples themselves loyal to successfully pull gr sat headhafi from power h ou tlvt intherrnal nionsing on less manpor and financial burden as a viable task work for the united states in the alternatesa wa ie >>rei o ad doctrine. last night there was this smart national security guy, my kids tt i anrvwiim oueb it was really confrontational interview, which is exactly what i expected and that's my love and. e'ttoce llhoulgowad

anydy i thtothto ththt is worth really inane non-ad hominem, sensitive whsenlyacwh amwaowgnr nd ltert so hehatowait secret war in a greatly expanded way all over the world andhe way he pocityf ore to answer for. licotoerio at nec tar era t eaa multilateralist announced typified by what happened in bya. that is a form of americans-- ata oer er iendhe w abetaas t ucy tth st e worl and militaries combined to advance

international interest and foster international cooperation. we would not have gone to lbya th go iy milye le ersiiosra itk afeen pr iea so you are constrained by the fact you're checking in with everybody else is he as been on the same side of a e. cass ivela tohrhau n evhike.aon it's much more george h.w. bush than any other modern pesident. i n' li that s bm's. igetitigr g, ia dre isergtt ey n mi, ahead. >> first of all, the thank you, rachel for everything you do. i thk there weere

[cs applause] >> that's very nice of you to sndi'otui wstvito t because nature and in a w minutes. >> i would like to say was drafted in 1968. al fdsamtryie teedthet. eay i was drafted. the question i hae is money is dostngutw ou camp pain. president obama i am told that

$2 billionorisio thyoi hspire n'ok >> this year to repeal any differently about the idea at hover ny hdredof sponheta om knere?t tl the front page of "the boston globe" is how the likely nominee of the republican tde come in the pack that is qutnghims lo t onnsou oiznscore eleven when people are forced by the few elen rules we've got live od thut o oti coatelhe ny

ra ak. aswo ith ns there's nobody trace it back to a country either. like if china had about preference betwe barack obama and mitt romney committee who wa th e ns t would be s sy. aur] if the fcc was in charge of an porcine these limits, every aun.ican road d be an aur] ale oiic e, gone through a series f four by supreme court decisions res men tiided wha a - th w. re ie wst erntoyrewet mysterious thunrs oa massive cale.

one person couldrite wam bt fact radical by many raise a billion dollars on the other side here but about thfact that somebody who wanted this ye'steve forbes sodybecti.cro nond ome's billionaires. by the skies were 77 or $8 billion. not byt of ay a ceie obil o waor a m politics. i think we're in a position that is a very hard environment for political reform se ese osar step teiio

yuretanbo r fix this and i don't see this lately come is probably an amendment to the american constitution. and that a r bi y n, h e asy osri state after, it's going to be hard to set a good example for somethi a nation that went t emulate. mo ahing that rries tem ppe] >> we keep adding questions. two more brief, brief questions. do you have a question? tatex h . ventngisce wa terrorism? but the bush administration effectively waged war in a type of war, a tactic propagated

aclyutenb t military itself? >> i see it more as asymptom than a cause they hn. as hewntrisn enbe tar ba feeling. [laughter] t twa been assigned to us if tre is something wrong. i think people are creeped out ere e department of homeland security. isepe whendoes amrcahave a sade aar er t do design things

that she would caught unaware. when you don't have to win the gume, yo argenns ydo htong i brkbttai that debate you will not get your way, your arguments can wa iongc,btcaen ainiglay not thti ar moniker u.k. vat,, which we find as an international expense. so i think that when a predent can decie alone hai w nocererlwnt po/1 war funding was not factored into the budget. it was all emergen supplemental. itik oiroax

fibo oo a,e ce, a astle. [laughter] when you do not have to explin bee de d'tove publicecause engreswe i not have to justify because no one knows how much it's costing, your argument can be incredibly safe and you can call anything worthy of look you et convicted for transnational terris nonen saat . des dohaod gument. and that's where i want to land. >> class question. [aus >>e ine t bcur in en atlnol ae d rotrwa o thole time you're there.

>> wow. >> i'm so nervous. you guys don't know what i was se gi htef a cim thank you very much. >> exposed as a daytime drinker for my las ueonhean pse haoumurel dd hean applause] >> now, arthur herman recounts the industrial business magnate, william gleason and henry kaiser leteirr-s wa.iffdu w ili o ah

[inaudible conversations] >> good evning, i'm director of fotirgatwial researchiie iettytsor original domestic policy related research and big stink books of which are current speaker, arthur herman and the ahor of the bookha is je fo" rl o o u the 12 election is over the 1930 election. should we continue orexpn t amannf dto st should we in raise the creative

animal spirits of free enterprise capitasmndst thean wowhel ain'myan ead vas ger lives when we look to the future of american public policy. econists and historians have bawhr roelt h hiatdoic aclyhle e. grdesir edng ut it. but whatever side you take in that debate, there's a name as pred bwowa's im a onu haf tiad cl to fight them not season the japanese ultimately pulled america out of the recession. and of course, when they do on cctves thoc i hrem

cre. ventpaa films, the production board. the implication ofthat cme toarod t pdecemn epe inin ea t itie heovnm llt ive sector. they got to steer the main state. they got a bright. and the problem is wi the ban anateay. urrok, mtare's oge owneftaatrue. ultimately saved americand save the world was that the govement finally getting it right, the private industry and prs deeyee pirittatws anvedvors out urth ado, let me introduce arthur herman, noted historian and book author and "new york times" bestseerad

i hl,hee ar pzeiz na. annyh"dos rgrio ctical and commercial attention. [applause] >> ally ue ks cot wer b with a less than cooperative, but i'm glad to see so many faces, many of them familiar. many fth ew en alan nk u oe, ericntis institute, for not just is ent, but also work in research that i do for tibo frsrg n aeh ot whv d

instrumental in helping me to not only shape the ideas that are contained in this book, but sogie nsou at el al tetuolti a ansti scovered in many ways, the capitalism contrary to admit is not just about itaut opra n atinanay opivvee. d lshitelct endeavor. now, what i want to do here tonight is to tell you a tr yo to the movies can be put to the usual discussion of this very often you will see an illustration, somthing like thishen talking bhe,

h mcanr1 odonwowa. s ti 29bi ui the stable boeing acility in wichit kansas. and that's the trya si jsor. r gom dt the resources of the american economy towards a single demand ouurofmen atmein the processnd 70o all of thework would've been accused by the allies in world war ii came out of american factories. inriaatealble stoy. venai backwards.

where we usually start is where you should finish. edinrgh ouldata nn ese ita spof 1940. and i want to put you in he place of the main who would in n sngth v finy atewnd f warfare, mass mechanizedarfare supported by mass air power issg roetrneue whng drao thentothme britain. franklin roosevelt realized is fos binlohee tht ifrn

maised ori oie itt,y no in a year come in the peak year and half to two years, but worries coming. whamamtpetoit realize that hen milo iethis where our military looks like it is. ant rtyheh ain h i, teop bt s an idea about what the contrast in military type elegies inthe united states faced in the 19 and 190 evt tec ayo d izhetesaes ththgerm the world. holland has a bigger army than the united state and hungary has

a better army. fl tuntana bash wch nal anof projecting power across the seas, let alone transoceic way to europe or evn mr fafherohepcf noenaioc,in tcots about 1500 playing, most of them biplanes an absolute trainers, wherea modern heioo geannd itwetli 500 is oedn odrn go gthis country ready for war. he's got to get thi country ready to build the kind of force that will be necsaryo win bow yoi o ? e ou t?

ey b woclue. they went through the process of world war i that had been a fiasco trying to take over fact wain b .lace or hese on iriine heesoesat deeply committed deeply admired and isolationism, which has no interest in sending any kind of me f rearmament in the united stes. itotngocme adhear ndmae iar buildup. how are you going to do with the situation? where do you turn to transform botther marut wethac yu turn thisss american business. and that is what roosevelt did.

dee bussheaeuss ai tsiia ecsatbses amthoreren tholng of the deession. he saw them as his bitterest enemy, yet he had no choic henermmmheo one l o o dtms on bitila ge h onge ur ac coy s to 18 typed pages, double space he's got nowhere else tun , h ichi llee udisbra er cthcoesmn n said. ole miss and come the ian immigrant d come over brsiarhainr he meta o at a company

making spare parts for ford, worked his way up to beome hungry for his right-hand man anhis twocede nato pdef raos. e me w motor. the man who even more than henry ford had really perfect the techniques of what is called mass roduction and tune ithan ywih mo itrd me silr eoy i coy ha also become the master industry of technological innovation and quantitativoio elsheaynelp nee s t do. how do we get this economy up and running and it got going?

th the ball passesbuck touild hn. y heil rdo jan vekif or ater there's no statutory authority for was going to take place here. you're just going to have to do peuasinte nesswn powers of nnon yav sute tammuesneve d tsbcmes bill newson, shall we say, job offer. in may of 1940. nuisance responses to adte thar bt poit ot picamr more than a decade. but he gets a call, the first pren gal rses is to quit as thocofurouw ets trad un far ct

and he of course als realizes the obstacles he faces in this process, thais god an american industry which bltod s us a on afoepouction capacity and had been in 1829 that you saw the fact that many inins bsou he's dealiwt onndat crne ionnt , ough alfred sloan. tell them you're crazy to go to washington you're going to work for roosevelt anyou can make a to yelvo iyw toand uen deal. don't do anything along these kinds of lines. your making a huge mstake. the princess to his bias sloan,

' nan methho ama.ave e rentlsm g swnthe situation. the problem he is going to face then is not just opposition from ny fellowu hh e deuc osve frsooncosstit tab union. as i explain in thi book, one of the major obstacles that newson facer of hieffort to try and getemyga tet roios reanf uin eyree t ar production was seriously damaged the gains they have made in terms of union power, uni membership all through t 30s thfoo im rctn in prewar.

but to pearl harbor that that goes on afterwards and extends out beyond thatas well. it'sne the shocking stories of thisoett eewhthbo n reanoyrto thrtecygeared up and straightened out. he knos from the very beginning is'll be a challenge will have an claprly ulpoay odon lasa eslt heeste hes in the work place, changes in rules that union membersp that flows t of ffor sl co ndmme il levld b se pn tf him because the thin understand oce u gem tad i

cot ble ove under those sorts of conditions. business can going produce any number of different kinds of things andloi gis all. hea otoy rong kf fabulous weapons that have never been conceived of before but have tremendous appeal. foai finhee job they're lookin es en. d els ost, u e 18 months to basically expand plant facilities, to reto in order mirytada thekiwsi other material were you're going to need, 8 months o my

colleagues a willve ou ree rihau ofs production. it's going to be quanty, not necessary quality or grs eean w vry nd u m ots treehalle ose to win this war and confront the possible evidence that comes with it. as ixplain inh oo, e bisc p ea aoluetole industry who do subcontracting, saying this is i need your he ifou to ar ufortto seeara od

cry thsy you've got it. we will follow you wherever you want to leave. in many cases the deals have to be done with just a handshake be t rvef u baax euon, change the amortization schedules, cut them in half thorve fye inivcone imoti a 1.73 has to send his ato oaiat, dard ohsoom ana hetaetween washington and business and what really makes production possible innd kon r.ry.

in edb his on pearl harbor, american wartime production is already approaching the level of rmany. alreadby hepalha. wrchepes s g ea en at. but the basic structure, knudson saw remains the same and tat is wiastoyio rs des wiou odone. someone that would have this kind of "wizard of oz." hands on all the letters to make sitmee utt heceomnr sitl enm om p

dos owcia production. at the military order signed. pr syot began tov vepoe hihe rt dction of trucks and guns is going to be comple. the other key ls a re al conts wl hotanat rsthnove economy. one is the automotive country. also the one in which the largest ineeaf ke centt thncr ut. not just in terms of civilian vehicles to military vehicles and trucks, which is not as easy as that luck because vnfrom

t, hobuof er eiftis ang cils h ive overland and those kinds of tings they woul build to the ta w gandak heinrirnat company. that may call my friend at chrysler he can you make a an aak u f uakm of wi ne n hn wel build a see you on that and that is exactly what happened in the chrysler tank arsenal becomes the lgest tank during the second rld war. t alarrti th icafngesor ng

and lockheed and curtis and all the airplane manufacturers for military aircraft and the most ouoerofremple heu polek u b. 24 liberator planes can be hugely complex machinery and yet manage to brng enough. likewise gm itse in eastern predkm nd - o grauman and also that thetbm avenger torpedo bombers. george h.w. us pth he sdwnithm geden motors as the ousands of others. american automotive industry, one key aspect of the innovative quit also haitn mpa

ll inry k out. these are commercial companies that do military orders and supplied those, but his experiences building a who range airro us. sso iir ic co i poss retooling in redesigning the own order to meet these kinds of demands. plus a engeers tapping the skills of engineers involved in ers yean ngthm,eosa tots a e ub yoden fig that will do that? i discovered working on this book on everyingle play and united tates bufalo,xet bo, t-2 h

p. 51 mustang is all designed waiting in cars to return. to tn knn ys os atartit the process. not for the united states, but at least as well. these are p. 51 mustang oralodshierld rie vdtccpal err aio and said can you make war hawks, a standard ameican warplan ay e k ar hud t e and designed by p. 51 mustang. but when the british got the ana t patting the groceries

roro ne,e they've been produced? plant in detroit for though knudson had approached the prident of krdadined this sir mug. or h pn prewar designed, except one, the one that came out of theuman planinb ny a h nl on shou this one. this is during the war. this is a field carrier di ycnls isos batman being -- a sort of getting out of the way.

this is a photograph taken from the crime and aircraft therptirlou isaun e o le tlaid as jst powered outcomes of back again and landed safely. catodoiae the skies ofg that wap the pacific. then the constructionindustry. here is he man he rely dominated the scenoftbi, o m acinte r heka ia man who was involved first in road construction, belters at the hoover dam and he and his , y os,lroron like tpen

harrison said. come at a different knudson, numbness of thecommittees of the largest cotruction firm in e wod iow t cms,l these understandinthe large-scale enterprise to use that to construct talks tprepare pearl harbornd topar ilit lib wpps bss ele ate it took to build constantly shake down to fewer and fewer days until finallby making4pea rtipryt ha eyt. er rstou onbsh po and yard, kaisers fired up in portland, oregon. she comes out with a champagne bottle and the ship is already

got. she cos out th ahampne le thi ady bo ahep aad t vin ut wi a afw minutes. and not just shut building. airpnes,agneums ntff exmlw caea ive t process. steel manufacturing. more supplies steel for his liberty ships of the mot modern steel plant in th woldti alnit na hebecnvd he process and part of the group of an nonlee th igg, buildain meorng u thmps arcular,

partularly battle and dupont, but also many other arvand vay poun orec r ak h rsnaof rte unelen possible. and in the case of gao, one of the most important contribution maiu bookwsgib chalcodte magnesium coming o as a byproduct of some of the chemical processes in midland, michigan. nice lim,v thme ie.ar ait islffo d i. damewi figure ake to make something out of it. the construction material for future. i don't know but they'll be bes bafohat he beganspl tkp i

er-mue ry lightweight part for american ires ti rlr s ma o plascsusin hs tr fn saying to their readers, are you finding with gee pr an elot ofhe work that mptsdtedtmke guys for production. give it a shot. it's very expense an easyt t an ln. cmsnhe rpngs discovered.

by shipping on this wartime material across the atlantic and then acrs the pacific at the same time. the stufhas t bsc go o nhs aklirty ships. so tao comes up witha substantive order to do this. i talked to a guy ho oke f higpaitre liomin os pred sen overseas. remember the tao salesman sowed up with sheets of this stuff, which was totally trnsparent. evhiou uo up maak aetihtb sh u'rag thaye call a saran and you should give it a try. and of coursit is a wonder. he could wra machine guns nknt ks

ti s rp. ou a tor gn obco oo h staples to spring up out of the wartime productn. and then dpt. tmnan rj gaeralthhe g bedntkng the laratory experiment in terms of splitting the atom and ballsef toralys nowfo lciondee th oe company automatically to upont. they aalhaou bses eyusoonrti derytg schedules. the army used them to build

gunpowder plants, for example. dupont takes a job i've created te hy okdees ttnvr enus aes out i hanford, washington where plutonium will be processed for the atomic bomb to be dropped on sa itpoes knudn sets in motion to the sutrrs tr contract or sagitta amannond atiof pbome wmet'nem basically standing to start to approach in tat of germy. 194 tffretso dry

arwiul ovrs thome stf example to wartime production, the united states is producing out the axis powers combine eciedm ansvetuinand gat britain combined. ford motor company alone produces more than mussolini's incrpuc a h eeum ath tes th are -- and where the number one works and manufacture of arplanes. toble isd eia e et bth ub o nreecr yo probably seen in textbooks and so on 280,000

ne. cars among during world war ii. were talking 86,000 tanks. the and a l . uder mbtukeik udern supplies 200,000 alone. studebaker tracks at the back opposedogistic system ithe condl a o le alnd ato eu toheteo berlin. two and half million machine guns. many of them produced by compies that have never seen a chingune mps rgt peer ti pteet

oa which produced the bywnhr. under ontractscet r il rs ni. outpouring, just as knudson had promised in just the oe you could depenuon ing at nacti aedo aclishment, you have to ask ourselves, how do they do it? is the kind of thing the american economy could do aain? iaey n h erstis eyohvbenof a of it happens to be comes to become clear for the economic boom after thewrf t

rtprtihiba th flthsd uy possible. first of all you have to realize again the order is here, money spent, and h$0ll f d iitiroio tds oa i im check. but that's a capacity think about it in terms of stimulus. if you're memorized by the numbers alone, it sike ttpeg t mny me titotju neurnte noor n inlt certain kinds of favored corporations. this is money being used to bu things that the government needs thpcttoiney am goin to atend prs.henote e thmps bid utt work.

aviation industry combat mobile industry and the others. thsecond thing to keep in mind is this iolthcrea o tol taar t nsaor im uc. t our the women will become involved in it, the something close to 5 million who fay juo work in te e riaman frhethidioe er tsler tank arnal who go to work in on the other wartime industries and the oc. soweworc es t allrke crlyil towhheed o go in order to make this work. something like 20 million people read their own to go find work and rtimcts n

tsaw odtia anpoitest e s s-hik of work and industrial sverige was able to create. pele co e oebor, . inerodnl f amthsouthern union, no one tells american where to go. wod t .tells them washngto itavlr m. dyd odat to make good you were offered the chance contract for people drawn toit in order to get a government contctout do.t mmowh adl boktat came out in 1942 called your

business goes to war put together by the research ormem htof mrca gg ofthne thr ametng odonu shave to and offers to make you if you make razor blades, for example, you can shift over tokinhe ac gnhe oay if meryoc ke anowusit to, for example come manufacturing machine and shrapnel for her explosive shell. if you make acuum cleaners, vacuumcanermahe tranonmewe. ry e ing e it ter e th t industry has done, changes made and carried out which is saying you can d this to get a government contract s l yg h hin ieti

tartprti prti miracle that springs not out of wartime assessment, that springs not out of washington to say shame that warheadoea thytk y s ssiner o hieve the other direction, but that the real industrial miracle was the free enterprse system whit d eserrj, lenoec g tndth ath conclusion working on the spoken people they read a despair freedomsfrec e naodm llkso laimed in december 1940 fireside