symbolizing millions, one enthusiastic, had-working, extond tit onicrpnt a. acet b ssgrml highly charged conversations and education. it's this voice tht as been told to a whisper as pota ne e soursro es as kio me that in our ferocius and noble zeal to leave not only one child bei, we may have accidental et oe acheiise. la if we want a transformation education, if we truly want innovation and reform we've got to sto talking about testin and talk more about eeng ppng eera

chs e wngof bu s ke we have forgotten what it is a geat teacher can do that the standardized test can't and i want to tell you that tday. reeads onhat uf es dsl n wtah . wtan hour content make it relevant for them and that is why we are so masterful and the work you do matters o opuns ki dnrn consa as u h to kids and meet them exactly where they are and take my place the need to be. ant n r ndkids read and wri maob t li d vesceries that will change the world and they

do it all by the size of their dicated and skilll tecer wekehete e ec rand ging and give kids the time and the ols to support that kind of work we' given them everything tos d thst o b successful in stvie,smub iexandn ednu tentoee it. [applause] great teaers idi i s r nhe cast ch oricnc mub a iec atand my kids must be educated. there's a fierce need for accountability to say our sapulc atisooing n

stigt i'nt of ms bic am bing measured because it limits that to a very narrow set of yod t mofornd i ant more for ud bse orlll oranma oom them so it's incumbent upon us to continue doing what we are doing getting more out of kids' prm-in,xeve in a mor sett acnctn ero n nce most importantly great teachers teach resiliency in the quest for success because the road will not be easy. lu nateaeas a k h t udketng move forward.

[applause] when teachers are asked to focus on test scoreand pushed them to froftepri ho m to the depth and breadth of human knowledge but it is an absolute turning our backs on the hugemeekne o evch wac n [ausha dd that just because we like kids or we are teachers. we do that because we are parents. i have a child that's my own an higet teonoo . ofi cfihea right answer on a standardized test. great teachers help ds not only learn things but show us at they know and what to do wh iqcpbiti anen oeth

orono s t and transform it and then solve problems and create the better world they will live in a the most important part is thatesea, esded ofo s mo tneuge ac wiltahot o tbu eyongh and a great teachers do. wo'tbeove] we ould create start learning team of kids who could throw fault of their own and almost by inrsc ife?t a perfect score and idee e ed private school. [cheering]

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property, she was a festival of miss b thir. [laughter] i was supposedt be teaching isiutas itaorit ndooatigotomatter how hard he tried to get me to give up or send him to the principal's office i wasn't going to give up and didn't realize that moe ey alaouin teng esh ni arshi doqulieohan e ith you and those quality people are your teachers. yod owoales rioeaooo tas mesia j e he development of yng people it's or love. anor tthmponforgot abt der,itr g

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simply notng we an't do and where we m havforgotten how terse rnngwwpnt latt o to what matters. if we want lasting change and the pride and the power that is an amerin ucn he voon eins und [auskoht as a going around the country and going to get a little informal nows we go round talkingas petefirsi m tahi ot thfedohecr n ire ma difference and there is neve any hesitation, there's always the name on thatuteone's nguend ieran ta t bauhee meutihv rdea

yolohm do there's the teacher that plays stockpole with the kids from the teacher that broke the homework to the mospital when the girl but e'l e ie esa eet rw hed isstadd ac mrs. wilson and he said in first grade every friday mrs. wilson would eat at the launched people at h cla n neohean gt mrilan w his turn he got word for the morning he was the winner and he would be sitting ne to ms. wilson in the cafeteria and he was so excited to ge wii riteadatey e inhi lin tean sa wed mrs. wilson polish plate after plate after plate of chicken

legs and that wasn't the best pa hesd puthe ho th oe.sp o [laughter] he had a whole new appreciation of r.so. iaew r3 as emmhaoror sm ede ie tm something. they tell me kids arewatching us. they are wating everything we dond they're soaking it up. every act fsp, nen e oso thre watching us. remember that. rememberhat you are going to be remembered. thu goto be or hcken n meed. arn r ss

trhohin n tsryiroe with them couched in the recses of their minds and in their heart long after they sat in their thrmembeu dyura hero t m feg ntdymethethoaes fft. mbhaenpit debate gets fiery. and remember that when the winds filylame and cricism blow most a r i gotoo by one but given the size of the screw with think we will be here until christmas so i'm going to stay here. i know youaa inrle atbualoneut we bagd sinsilyao that everywhere and anywhere you get the chance. ah witose]

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enough to want to enter. let's be positive together. share your succe stories com bryotrh os sntrkal nepethowope oro oucro h mmy t nt d at adr in and watch the magic you make with children. complement acolleagu pastore prinl torrowt thsttwr ol brancpb -wn space of the profession. shall we them who you are and be proud of. u've been born with a gift of gif inthsood yvbeiva il. u aro se t onil a time to read every day you spend inhe seice of educating and other human being is your opportunity to change the oladm

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[applause] [applause] ♪ ♪ >> iatfnas rebecca is absolutely an inspiration. >> if you missed any of the speech by the national teach of the yearrbeccieck cae o hw ste. oa i h prenam kicks off the bus tour through ohio and pennsylvania today starting in ohio outside of toledo

ae e - t pt dr0-mi bus ur tomorrow afternoon at carnegie mellon university in pittsburgh. you can see that on the companionnetwork cspan and also c-span ai crg 2.setmr >> at one time, in 1967 this was called the bloodiest 47 acres in

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risoonserertca. professor schanzer that his work at harvard and received his jd from harvard law school where he also served as editor for the rvard law view. psschr eda err demef st nd hole alpiite ri court of pennsylvania. he was a tri attorney for the department of justice civil dision cncil for senats heo vd th .s giivdrectfren jean carnahan and then the democratic select committee on homeland securit professor schanzer has coatxtvexpece uvceli ysnt ely es jisc n ad e ahaue acl and op-ed pieces professor schanzer has weighed in on many of the issues involving homeland

po ahetcforen and oic ga aiaris tgetr. gedtahiuis offered both unc and duke on 9/11 and its aftermath and counteerrorism l and public puevtoceon f shols andew alesry p wr ofr nzsbsn e reed's his time to how war too terrorism and national security but played out in the 2012 election pleaoiindg lctopo [aus >> thank you for that warm introduction, and think course to fly relief boosta foh lo a an s. k ll won di oomoto

rmth aointrnoon. i hope we will have a chance to share some ideas with you ad then your ideas with me s e e oem, ti sith election, and while i'm going to be talking about the candidate and their nineties and their position i'm not here to reesent one candidate or h r. kif a w au tiy. at whe r going to do today is really try to better understand where the candidates are coming from, hat some of theirpsn ndo t kif back-and-forth the and analyze how they me their case on these ie

gu we te t h beindt tifntl ry re g t auin this campaign? i guess one could answer that question saying not ch and ecy. going to be aboutt c g loab iatron fdwouldn't be fair or a. it's true the econmy is and be the dominating issue but it's not going to be the solessue and there's coue ofon thrs al,on cu cnd he threshold issue for any candidate and that's especially for the chalngrwot ertdfgoor rm tshef e in't o

the bar so to spk and convince the american populace that you are equipped to properly excu e essenh poulic t ni orheu'o ot b n rash. you are not going to become president. tokithimo reyearnt obama hs rnomhaotve tntoe previously for himto overcome to get solearly that will be part of the vettg of the doinimanashy igrand e thti surt n coes is an election in the time of the war not necessarmore wood in t con tfr fai

ndioscriisesesssr the top. i don't think it is than to be determinative in this election becae while wed a0 pren ote tl er pc ee a time of war and national security. the insecurity is coming more fr the economic rouble that we have experieed in the st noelbcuntony security issues are still very much on the forefront of the newspapers because we do have truth. that's ather reason think dontise.ytmnth there is irony because when you

look at the power of he presidency the president has virtually nothing that he or he thwe s es aen. topmny s the edral reserve, which is independent from the president and of coursete icl pocy enthintrent dotrf tior agenteaihe ng. teow of the president over the economy are limited however with respect to national affairs, national securityfr ire idfcus thntofe on e id a fgn hithmicrophones in the rose garden and project and state u.s. poly without asking anybody else, any member f reay rnh wh

t aante .. icd't obviously the presidents commander in chief of the armed forces can use that power to projt authority anywher in thgoe, treens aaiwr li s h coomy. so again, another reason we are here talking about that this afternoon. i want to proceed with my talk bout the introctipking setyprenai ecs thalou ereante framing and well lane five it is what is the big piure that d.c. national security issu hod theyiee ese h worn it o h i ir d onecy es ern secific issues and then i'm going to talk about the line of attack. what are their positions that

lo otbl gabow rimmage and the e ndiin heirgts thakeshetth opponent? we will look for both perspectives and that should leave time for questions and discussions. let's turn ohs. afirste,eprifo32o aya period saw the democrats would win seven of the nine national elections to read another procding ee th theunn ftea thmecen we've had a number of very closely dected th elections when theandidate didn't even win amj. haaccof'min ryexail hs

get s akboow national security has pleaded that historical trend. >> the election in 1968. whth onrystat w t

e,enugixad laa lyupp natna security began to take root and also this notion m draret ros nto o onecy. ego uenaal ji er who wa not particularly experieed in foreign affairs, although he did serve in the navy, one a very tight election nbsecse , 6. yhibot, sd ve , given the watergate and nin resignation and the very unpopular ardons. he is generally eec ntronseuy.

the response of the soviet invasion of afghanistan was being contested. although carter increased spending and military during is four years in office, of course, wihehtacisrir h ntdilvr day that he steps down from office after losing the 1980 elecon. after long tronald reagan. rean ehm habemeleent times, embedded in national security that republicans were strong, they were promilitary, hey wrapped themselves in the flag, ry priot. eie hoe ist meic ieg and not particularly challengg, but nonetheless successful manner, he called the onh,h conn the evil pir

emth int umunl geh ook over, it was beginning to erode. although reagan's foreignolcy coastti emd,prteti onsreit r pe behind him. he was very popular in that regard. hicesi i88tndslie eleci tcawehd er experienced republican. a republican running with the advantages of the idea that setypuanena ng tayblpi p 30ntan apbc

polls about who do you trust on national security issues. george bush was ot nlyaic ane aans ai a small northeastern state who had no national security experience and then torove maf mi rbeatit atn at ay niom hwnot ging confidee to the american public. george bush the first, sometimes pele call himbxis iy. e no uie ection today, the economy was the big issue in 1992. the oviet union was no longer. thisnational ty to

keact ophe el 1992.e again, republicans still continue to have an advantage in those issues, but because it was tron emy hhelative peacend , e t ei thmos in, national insecurity in foreign affairs reception wamixed. therwas the unfortunate, well, tgiacwkow in rey.i al there was a controversybout gays in the military, which was not particularly popular at that obsl pc tuofter - things hav stehnd. t freo redu vr, llofhc t the perception again that clinton was not strong person

on national security. ko.did successflyeeetoio ia ad s w mixed record on national security affairs. in the end, even though he was presidt for eight years, that's not reallyrneo st g ith cry mos s b o that there was over a 20-point disadvantage and the perception that they were not as strong as repuican al gore,th eleioni 00heweeih la to p il nomhs n hon, cold war was over, even though al gore had more national security experience in military service than georgeuhgogbs ns oc. ou 91

george bush goes on, the start of the iraq war was in 2003. in 2004, he goes against john rry, warroa ravimvt ths,pus on oncriises aiki ataft tdeate , bls strong. republicans are strong on national seurity. his ccesin pventg an bsnt otro hnry n oanin et islfas a ir o he was a flip flopper and the advertisement carried a very close election, and many believe he lost it raised on national security su t,erng eoh, teyoa see for the viewers on television, this is

the chart abouthe pulling of whichartys bettn onecy r los oadf ey t bl srt enaryir albegan to erode republn advantage on this question. oviaty f s a 30-pot gap fo to secure a rock, arrive at the carriers them, the advent o al exio lrs on bothaen my e a bush administrations, epecially as the threat goes on. despite that come he wins the election. he wins the electn,ut fa iepin n

thdemocrats win that election, to take control of congress. you can seethat that rtt csdmcsnd blican and how national security prevail, right up until the run-up of the 2008 election. perhaps the nomination of joh be ofident.hewar hero agin obama passes the national security cut. he gs over t inee08enam i ou t ce he has gained the support of the country on national security issues. his promise to end the iraq war

d cnche cry gatsoatopo. we saw a summer of ocean in the early part of thebama administration. that really has not held. neploe us a again, a recent fox tye h that romney has better standing on the economy. if you look at the last paraaph, it says that obama is trusd mo on ucat b or1pio fon cyviin er istefrtti n ct memory where presidential candidate on the democratic side is walng into a reelection with t docra havg a et pptof aial rihae pli.

so that is the histor background. so how are the different candidates framing theirdeas of national security? thh?th lh tinitirreg rnmes tn o y that he is looking at america's role in the world as being one of american exptionalism. let me give you a tasteof that from what i mean by that from me oh onopees. thstli peech that he gave onational security was at the citadel during the south carolina priaries-- er e ar n, cr w. bee re ntion founded on precious idea that was birthed inhe american revolution and propounded by her greatest statesm a

pe fhe people. lateon he says g did not crea thinati to onlo icslanwo sos ea of american exceptionalism, that there is something about our country and the way we reform, the value is that we develop our history ye aow atd nrsof 200pu mes sal, as you mentioned, our god-given role to promote peace and security, ut also her own values. values of democracy. valu of ee a ope on eng thywe people.

i think the idea of american exceptionalismalso connotes thatamericahssal he ermuea t whole be must. special responsibilities, in some ways, to control the world and make it safe or commee d saveeeepssan eei , home, us of our military and economic power, we also have somespecial thdeat ec ach that erha atlye o ticn- while we welcome the role of the international institutions that they can play art inth , we

can go out alone. president obama has said we can act unilaterally if we must, amican exceptionalism is important in a highlighted future of this way othinng t ewr goornertisoaa caobwake at one int do you think amica is an exceptional nation. obama said wll, we are an ceptl ont he mesethitsa ey bshecepois threepal el ey that. he has said that we are not equally balanced. a tooe tuged among the ans ene din iprtistone that has a little bit difficult to

geonling atliisees rinf om sa amk,e a oo rohili. els .s leadership and certainly the promotion of u.s., american values and prciples. in recognizing that we do live a dta omh e al t that america, while we are t predominant military and predominant economic power from inatlfi.pionsavetps eeotee rl t e thit would, which is america can do erything we want, but the worlthat it is. that america is the most powerful nation in te world, wennmpouil inst wre acting in

conjunction and in partnership with other powerful nations around the ol i rmhiph ceg nopr in 2009. america's commitment to global security will never waver. in a world hns almp acanot icnnecthac dothink you will hear a governor romney look at foreign affairs in that way. anotherfasech tst gel mbweie ena mchit co t le pionit people. america does not expect to agree with every party or person who expresses himself vertically.

but we will always stand up to emedthssy, a kif unnto, e deneeo gomeha tpa and accountable to respect for rights of women and minorities. just and peaceful and fair, that is wt a peacel people deserve. hurs alues, we are committed to advancing those principles. but we understand that we live in a diverse worldand that we cannot impose orl ndthat orzas het oade ic interests. through those lenses, through those frames, let's look a little bit more at ow-nd ear.abt aheesat w ro g tgo a

anenwioottic versa. first,oai i n art bm us it in rtrican exceptionalism means he believes in american decline. on tor, a'ubr kiovhe ol in libya, we have omething called leading from behind. he says that is not gd for sely wto arguewrd how obama is ïve and how obama wanted to gage with our enemies, believe that trying to work things out and having dialogue wh cotries like

azuanba h oe,aoib cc thas naïve approach and our enemies are always going to try to take advantage of us in the negotiations. the only way thathen trhaerobisaman oer ï iat regard. s sssf mira,sely suseaastalq - t beuse of anything that vomited, but because he follod the prescption and footprint of countterrorism esblished by the bush administrati sin11ne t to i,ueuse ewhaen is r imin ie.

i think those are going to be the main lines of the romny the oit emeainst obaa est ile try to support these lines of argument? onef , that obama tried tlos iive w. ae doit ng ay icoi tz ntha regard. again, as i said, he tried to reach out to iran to try to build nuclprogram. saisweefanmnil ak aacrs a cue iiar dget, again another sign that he doesn't believe in american exceptionalism and that we should be spending more on the li aot e

let enirllo . isdncof obama's failure to support our allies and be an assertive natial will the eadr. fa bd omly us h loed hnt tris ae n enghug china. early on, he said we are withdrawing too quickly from afanisn. coden .ry adi tct w withdrawals, and if you listen to the commanders, we would try to mntain the an tha veda oer se a91 gos ff oposition quite a bit.

since septembe that was one of the arguments he had been making. this is part of te romney evidence the evidncet mnile ry ppthtfrmi i k many regards, he and a lot of the republican stgiwentrnandctyjs aithamathbe resident for the last 3.5 years, but the oba that has been running for president back in 2008. they want to run against thi xpncygpronh be wades sment about engaging foreign enemies.

st rd la 3.5 years that he can use to deflect all discharges with related to weakness and naïveté. removing u.s. s fr a rm. inwn wnghi. hetoels, hl they are not stable and secure like we would like them to be, they also haven't resolved into crises successfully. successfulinternial rvoni haovry t tiagsrael helepo oe risi of history in the arab spring and allowing those prtests and some ofhe fall of some the cts ak lce e bseimn he aeen oizn general, a strong record on

counterterrorism. anwnl wns rti eaitr dbltish ia einwehe we don't necessarily get everything that we want. they don't get everything that they want. but weave good relations where ths ntay gkeaa isa lytror dno how weakness. it does not show decline or erosion of our place in the d. ese sof gotoanfee o ta susfamn ns qaeda really belongs those questions of weakness. nobody's going to want to listen to minor iues when they know exiosm of the u.s.

leading to police the world against all evils, and assti our values and ideas aosst d itsnalyib aerths ly w aadcdeo conflicts. we havput a lot of time, resources and the lives our the tcune time of the famies bungh hihandtse residents resonance of these arguments that we should be asserting ourselves in foreign boomaname rnnas,ibl unutse aum a will help obama on issues of iraq, afghanstan and even iran. which i will get to that a little bit later.

notheless, ehn s eritfo repo? ine erye to emirt.t think romney will try to hit obama on foreign policy in ways that resonate the story that he's trying totell about prlemsith er xmeu, ema s le hno ttat hi is virtually nothing, he will argue that obama pursuea european-style lfarstatwithecs vent et whas, i eninopt a model for what'll happen here unless we change leadership and force. i think that will resonate with the electorate. likewise, hinkhe d sihismt ch u urdenxiety.

ti ttha amandu aper, the inability for us to infiltrate as much marketin china as we ke. the idea that china is a owing str onhe inaonal ofwi ent . omaxiety. fear about being overtan and that our jobs are going elsewhere. abthinas es beprenge owinlncou erns about china's activities in the global economy with other things like getting ppfr thenited natis

fotiwies tan prmseahercl whhof est ed oet ino he has lost liberty to essentially bash china. romney can say what hents,d h h wo at at k an su wiealoan i ulve some sort of impact, especially in places concern about bor and trade and things like that, places keo. isofdeendis reic rguments. the defense spending is the only type of government stimulus that republicans lke. prm.any respects, it is a jobs m ieenoran nonenest and h efforts

to try to come up wita budget package. to reduce oulong-tm et yit c eg y 48llovhe0 years. romney says he will reverse this cut and add to the military, make the army 100,000 figure, increase shipbuilding and our ocuren i t think that i think you'll be penalized for being a reckless spender by many for doing that, but it good for anoplehoe mie. fenras,py, inikatata ntnoarntthat romney will be able to use effectively in some communits. e ie a

elat wbe rtinsan. thw heme the demands that the israelifreeze their settlement activity thasntrjc tdrs vent ite inn essentially, of the palestinian israeli in peace talks. ich haveot bn ab to be ar res n usth rsofeh vote on this issue. there are many jewish voters who reflectively sayhatay itmrea neywnorante i think there are others that are somewhat disappointed with the actions of israel.

..ialdeep supporters, but not ndhilo b a in at thn thwhwobein sensitive to these difficult questions of u.s.-israeli relations. now interestinglyoa pr rg i lfrerlw feinnt i re uned

hetcle o as. partly because of obama's strong veto of the efforts to get out palestinian state resolutio throughthe ute ns,ad anesm fhe em a wngus to stop its nuclear program. so in some ways obama has bounded very nicely and is pretty popular in srael these ys b i sll ti in ros pts okwhsmant say about romney? as i said first i think obama, unlike in his conomic platform itardeto eorys oong in'st g o re cieen repo. heoio h argument that romney's foreign policy is just a return to george w. bush.

osha's popularity has increased uptake of thereetlbt e obwirge ria. ssmempad sure world and he's made it more secure. and that romney is abdicating pretty much the same policies as orge.uh ftr tpa has inck,toq tus rcnd iee ore direct line of attk that was tried already was romney did make some statement saying that he didn't think shtod eor spenminsdos herz am sme huli pakistan, and after bin laden took place during the 2008 campaign. so obama will m ha tow ry ot h to. d tn y kete agen y

some ways is trapped in the past, maybe making youth versus someona little bit olde eystatenat ui sohiaske al eoin fgnic tahm idi l ps. ar control agreement had a very strong bipartisan suport, foren cyabmeot of the rbn kifsurpsemn dow a cutry of interest with russia? of course not to our we rife to some degree? sure. are ups about russia's cric tncofe? nu oeol ? russia being in any, every turn to the cold war? i think most people might see that as eing somewhat out of

rega.oneon th e t shibo . ob'sumse inu'e discard -- i think of the hard to disqualy romney. first of all he is still an offense from the notion just because you're cau'oio sg ti sit 'selnt een, he led large organization. i think people think of him as good manager. i think romn is going to get over the threshold teyu d oampanru o isrut r ul htrtogat bin laden in the same way that obama did. and i don't think that really worked all that wealth when it sot of tabaout may n' vfc. rme hvlerit hi s,hio.

number one, and incumbent has the air force one effect and romney just can't do that. tansesn gos conenyi ry e snglae moat himself as being a global figure with the authority of air force one ming national securitydcsins, tohaan anc agemtodw fu o aganta adding the nato summit in chicago recently. these things are goin to keep taking place over the course of the electi, andgenerally hy uranadag tcut. cr oin hmk reafs est n' t a might like, like economic crisis in europe. and, of course, the incumbent is then held resnsible for those things, ether not he had sot'ixag iith

k eethp tpei d as i sid i think romney's hawkishness is not going to play particularly well in a war weary nation, and, larhih ken hink we ar oing vong maren the ima o oibofgstan or iraq. but i think he has said enough on that record to maybehurt him lie du tis ticmai d een troi cath tm sound a lot like george bush, like this american exceptionalism argument, morphing into bush is not a good way for romney o. in'hi the n reecon affairs as a

good one. so the id we should've kept troops in iraq long even though the iraqis no longer wanted u, at rosa siio htee higor ol. d ngy enough, i think republicans really feel like iran is an issuett oes to r ,ter eet. oiwe hewat ech out to ahmadijad. i actually think the president has a pretty good record here puic ati tyhat the amerin ac t h ct raitye e innocents. he has organizedinternational prenshld oto theet ugansnns

o whrgt ofthth tou d hcty ruht iran back the negotiating table on this issue. and i really don't think the american pubic, ne s ertosy larac n ohele rednnt ers ansoe to get enged in the third land war in the middle east in this decade. so ironicaly where think rli thty d bl set iei ra, inatal ts o piget asserting leadership, working in conjunction wi our partners, we are keeping the idea of force on the table, but we're usin ply. aruidom ti 'r ingitthit tifror to i k easint show fruit and iran. and i tink the public is going

to generally support that approach. indu.at leaves us ih h to ine icubis g h on cdti lrs. they certainly have a different outlook which will be explored during this election campaign. u.sraeriochonus k adul uati tepdetrn in the world and the ability of obama to say that some of the failed policies of thepeiseit of ntto he de htal, wi inlowi yp g [applae] ple, fopyuop for usio

t shy. >> let me start back there. wo apaul ie'll get to you. middle east, do you think america's publicpatients goig to u atyan twl whilpp eltikie ws h oow energy. i mean, our core interest, a uple core interest in the middle east. our alliance with israel, but need to hve lots f rop e hvsby, hl 'ser ir rea ofha d with our desire to have secure flow of oil. we are becoming more energy, or

lesseneydendon dd at av ses me othe sources of, even elerin north america, russi oulvfratrweod t wnouresofo oil and how to but we less dependent on midle eastern oil. but as long as we, younow, our wione e tesreiaha t- oerrote amanlill understand that investments that we make, whichwe believe provide for stability and security, that energy sulet t cnu hd,a asr tm

t tgemas next. >> i'm curio, th are schedulecuts right nown the reicaree bfad t h ths atod out e cuts, others don't want to see the. would you think omney is going toome down on that issue? >> wel let's just get srentmapa hr ab decioue nd honabt ha ll tsvee next 10 years on the table. and that's been worked into his budget plan. if you recall when we were ar ts mastmelte icboitnou rtarpeasant, what was eventually agreed upon was that 1.il t tf t did not cut, iik

etr ne0er,atomn c i di tat ie dgdy would go into effect, and half would be a national security issues and half would be on domstic anostsavotn bc ol cahae rctt atcetec,, therefore, is automatically question is scheduled to go into effect in january. and that would mean a ag ot ersl $50millni us, wobe lon a and actually there aren't very many democrats or republicans were eager to see those uts -- may be strong and the defense cranaltr bueaei eep ia, they are going to hppen

unless a budget deal of some sort is made. and very few folks think that we're going to be will todo be e lco i en romney will certainly say he is against the sequester from going into effect. and we should make all the cuts on the domestic i oe o cts ttmerealar en nmdd,n dot otthat very much but that's going to come up. if you are for large increases in defense spending and you are dee,at anatytrs ro w st' not true. it's not a credible argu. so, if it comes up i think th's ws g toom up. wa lsen fyouro

andeect geishing under control is you say, will be large-scale cuts in medicare. and that's h it's going to play o during the lectn. le g ha. >>on hee issue of whether the war in iraq was a cagrlplusill come up ina y orata >> well, i think it could possibly come up. i think i tried to elude to some ro aavgpo ancepts in my ak e io eorg w uh, tera war, you know,

ultimately while it is not seen as a failure, we were able to leave with honor and a new iaqi government,laariv bili auglle rebmghheas t'ssilroblems in iraq. i don't know if we will rehash it. i don't reallythink we rehashed inte28 lc. d i 'tiwud aast intil uterms of obama trying to link romney to what he would say was failed policy of the tqen hest. is qio wes wh lf people thought -- believes obama might be an antiwar president, ad, in anoeleguta's

hoe' gne he's been veryctive with the drones, you know, taking out bin laden and quite -- i wonder if that wou wean hioiio alno ttey od wo'te llt ane nd s the weakness might resonate to those who believe that his economic policies have not been as ndt h pla wess et e bigpragc o having to vision,nd the two threats in the world are pakistan and th rent. anrt russia. d o uo uh ree'dean os ththompuan gh ai ecould've pushed more aggressively on l within

america, and fought the environmental lobby. thoubeoo f s ths t of quon e. let me see if i can at least get some of them. listen, gas prices, when thy go is alwaydr omg bili, nwud a t iohi eee eoet add gas price and what, how it would impact his approval rating. and thought there was a direct inverse relation to that. cag down.ly, o oa, o may be that, for obama's pepective, maybe that would su ndwon h tghouth aoarhispis

i k 'sisthi, you know, really depends on where the prices at the pump within 30 days before the election. nwnirtars mepouc i asc we hrum r obama's record ondomestic production is actually pretty good. and he will say that. he's ireased mest hiturtse of hou rns fr r yetdir ihppens to the republicans will argue that's everything that bush did to approve new wells and things by opening up anamst tkele he was president shth anth e awt in before, that cadian oil sands, the new sources in

deennme w o o are becingls omeeie amllae maha roimat epca typical arguments on energy, we need more, less environment a regular gym mor domestic produion, less reliance on il idhaob in 2008 ran as antiwar president hasn't fulfilled the promises. ista ople attached to obama and what they wanted to hear, and didn't listen or wer willing to look the otw thpeo s s cohaeyn'nd ng

deeht his -- independents liked his talk about bring the party together anhave less confrontatial idea ofpti btdn alominliwth ec tti, onb aea care plan and other things that wer not on the top of their agenda. so i thinkwth t to ft onerom,mn enienttheo aihed ycly at u forced to go into pakistan to eliminate the terrorist threat. now, maybe people on the left were not listening to that part, hptethe wiirths ouda security. so what he's done has not no dnt idn'reitly, n'

crisrol about, you know, him not being an antiwar, or him not, let's put it thiswyhmo ain epwatr tke ae efwl iroutr o f he escalated the war in afghistan, b against the will of military and most of his advisers. et inetge he rt sanctions rather than the use of force to deal with the iranian nuclear program. so i gss i would counsel os inoar tl td ettlitythe issues, and

not just the things that may be noyed you about the record over the last four er >>onifcude the recent naonal security leaks, both from the political aspect, and then fm rl naalur pee? >>e. th republicans are, as i said, i think it's a point somes. wd a hoaa iveaka gu, hew have cyberwardrone strikes, al qaeda leaders getting knocked off every ,ado

sellcnaetiagntubns uld have been proud of under the bush administtion. i think th frustrates them to a greatdegretc taomhserof sot'hlti f that. and i find it a littledifficult to get too excited aboutti e. cyldo e pr ashnan guatwl,h the classification authority whenever he said, tha means it was no longer clssified. doprtohh's a little bit ofy ec tie. hacu clearance, and i worked on legal cases where

individuals,have not fill the obligonnd that's riis ngn oven rv it ' annot individuals simply taking it under their own authority to believe what they think should or should not be inhblma weclfy mancr tmopoa entitled to have security clearanc. so'm not one who believes in a close govrnment, but i feel, leg.ow,srnsth d s,re i alprfti th is true both before and after obama. can we et oeladia we vh tctte

buil -- >> i have to question. to what degree, given there's at t a s hre llsigsaest h eetisrso osi wngsa tc g twe'v lked about their campaigns, and possibly though is just that packs may follow some difft diio oxt aksfl sairon ak w a oatot rm tg to construct the romney narrative was both from romney's speech and look out website but also from an artile thatarrovewo bh t a,wsn fassofeili rug of those big pacs. so i think in general the pacs

our, you ko, hrs i think that if you're going to see certain things comin out of the romney campaign, you'll co oo preree a lot of them supaigry meng tamnsky l,t lykell u t the campaigns following them. fon cyehvn of h pc renn tas, k foe th fxa, trade and international trade policy, you kn, being much biggdintet, t'san ie soor he et

nrigwi te florida, so there's israel isues and things like that, you know, have more redents adflidaanf eyom stt e ot ots hnoio orxmhe mobile phone is becoming stronger and, of cose, the hispanic vote is a huge vote. they are very interested i immigration licy tiktla rote setydd' ii, t s aarwi tiurit so immigration will be a big issue in this campaign. that's going to be discussed and st.ot of wt sng kaheanth ik. ouyucmen i relationship of russia? and our view from our side, i

coyu unaateatatchingi,t ed ur inmsthmp, ich we are talking about now, the difference between the candidates i think so far is romney as geed with senator mccahat houd yt m optiyt unacd imoof i whad. the administration hasn't gone that far, at least ovtly. we don't know what they're doing rt a hnkth c hn rldet ert nuoef y rall a number years ago israel invaded syria and knocked out a nuclear project which th believe was a nur weapon. afterta,yiaveda t ef m a tocka a ine

libya our ability to control the skies would require much longer and deeper netmenou b so ,waet r u military force, and i think they're very few experts who believe that's a good idea at this point, it would be more whthnerebwathmore oy. between the opposition and the government forces. and in ria, the opposion is thotgocaze til tmai ae you, you know, provide aid and safe hav, even ransfer weapons. there is concern in syria about some of thosinng

fuenstxmind ri in providing advanced weaponry to them because then they mighte used fr is aom myiblai zbh tho. i o' have lus. i think wh is happening is that more and more pressure is going to be place oriato keoresono re be obi at have a non-assad regime that is still fairly pro-sovie plwi yt ut poonht bpp mabltle bit more

representative. maybe the russians could live with that if they were still relation.ell arms nd have its thioft enkibre,sr, yo epliald t ke outf that. but in the real world, the russians have power, whether we like it or not. they have a lot of eergy,a er incr gi uyb some leverage, or some ability to engage in diplomacy to address this wege ytlar is eenane. go ahead. >> what position with the candidates take on north korea? >> i'm sory, psti-- >>ldy o

[lerte h en think the position on north korea is actually been fairly stable through what was a the second bush administration ugam anaanf chngsooltb lesh goirega nrhnd prident hasn't solved the problem. president bush couldn't solve the problem either. our ability to infence the h easylw wenratyue aiseth korea. so some sort of unilateral attack, or even if twa to erainc cihrwhh n ko io so that's an option that none of

the parties or presidents have felt was rlly on the table. so in myayshe o aein kos he agininb pa l a of that, china that has the strong leverage against the north koreans. what's happening in the north korea no is a leers anon i atcostlia ha nwlaer, and new, young and experienced leader history beholden to the military, it is very much in needof sei ngtomc puon rhicvti ci that come out of north korea. but i don't really see president romney or president bama doing ye lee.erently about it.

>> udtes itg to catch up with us. it cut up with germany, spain. what's going to happen? >>l, dprms etratei ce n e. ts w tay ok at things to try to be able to compare apples to apples is our debt to gdp ratio. soowmc sour etop oreonos? avasalno, 'st s dfn our debt would be our total debt, which i think is approaching $16 trilln,that's stto oetl ev'sseo around 60% of our gdp.

so right now what we're looking rathilecesb-gdc get to the point, then we would be in a series -- serious price. now,eftutued,ange febu gngth teisgrg,avte isngxplode in the next couple of years as medical care keeps getting morxpensive, and baby boomers who are now, youwt'6nd ye twill e t hhyd e lo m. even social security is slipping in terms it not bring in as sohxloonlyom ex e 15rsm

wost approaching over 100% and get into a danger zone. so we have a short termdb ro w ierniil dla eiitve . the a -tm t'y clear that every anysneainvolved in tis sense, ongm .ne rihe tcty uredwn whr ee to bring our rate of taxation up to meet that. noerte heeetion to happenn dssralan 1 an he sequester that we were discussing. so the sequester will tke 1.2 trillion of spinning out of

th cnmyanxon ic txpio a t ,ma, uh extended by obama tax cuts, which i think over 10 years if you take those totality of them we w tngyhinks all fhm ov0alofin so all those tax rates evert. so 5 trillion more taxes, another 1.2 trillion in spending pu aeren.ouof the onom helb rndcee,esalnce tiso rs sort of political deal to be made between the parties. tos olidso parties are waiting eylo heat rgngenisng obslfrmeyithpuanldto

house, then the final plan is going to be more spending, domestic spending ct a es xe awnlbeti ms,dfe , aitt less on the medicare spending. but i do believe though there will be methingtghbese e enndlw thngm, eboo sta. >> we have time for one more question. >>bee h rmtu, aw rr gh >>t or. eon that obama may benefit from the perception of being on the right side of history, according to the arab sprinissue. i' hea frostrast

eihiniothpes c bteet amadongro mri is particularly tunisia and egypt, and that the recent election of islamic-based political paies in those two tr, nd t esti ois y, , tnt-aca li ie gn ro att make that argument? and if so, do you think it will resonate with the american public? stt.sk a question from a former [ltenet. think on the mubarak issue, which is i think what you're talking about, i think those americans who ta ittaca oewios s ilade heid ctwaon every

international issue might find that argument to be, to resonate. fomnly. vo inkre gnn,t lyee we possibly supposed to do? were we going to support the egyptian tanks rolling in to cairotpppua i nkhaeais osus iy'oing try to start making that argument that we somehow abandoned mubarak, and then at the same time making aenatom w ouemv et id d y, c d ot ly mubarak was. but nontheless, it doesn't all hold together. that sd, i think the questi

lsmnwa ieti e w iin ake d i some regard that, you know, when these countries, gain democracy and are able to goeyill ing rtst ea rn tmgveed iicpilesthan previous ones. and the question is going to be, well, wat does that mean? ama in some wy takg a sk aaceav aiha co rwist rele m,b ayig okay, we are going to see what happens in this election, and what we want to do is takthe isamists in egatterta he llcttooc. fl, n otht sart looking more like turkey then i

ran. iran is shia and egypt is sunni, waheouesdee thati, eo' that twenit atise democracy. and very harsh version of islam is being pursued. we would like to see more of a turkish modeihsmmnt dra ines iopan mon ccwisc acs,be it. it's their country. that's what democracy is. itgog ot,he know which way gyoir uns aoi o anerllmofm obviously, libya. and so, i think the position, you ow, the government hould goledohatw at oresrtsa

ou ttoe democratic path, liberalize their economies and to be supportive. and if they had off in the other of esorue, to use coerve nd bu tndths el t pe wivn the counies and our ability to shape the outcome to one that in udtete,n eo cty emed. , wt out in the campaign i'm not sure, but i don't think, i don't think a governor romney is probably going to go there becase tre quonndllgrelnt io [alause] >> thank you, professor, for an excellent presentation.

member, we have three more of abdru ekng p. elections. and on july 25, we will have daniel talking about network politics. thanks a for all of you for hog ee,r ha erevg. [iib conversations] >>si o tdaic acn tr ru io pyla. eghimi ee, ohio, just outside of toledo and he continues in sandusky. the president wraps up to 250-mile to her tmrow nek anacpni il -p

d -aor starting at 2 p.m. eastern again tomorrow. >>de i t hte e rtorico rihepidt w-y to atesoi ndnlv itao pren mpaign? >> well certainly the ohio as w know it is a key swingstate. fo his pushing, boasting about the ato bailout that the presen administration push rl oikete as tat ot h, or p f vle e iota yw ee. he a o obs on the line in this part of the stick him in this part of the country for the president to be boasting

abt. n au t'ss y y ue thest po o aott. w eit h comments on the auto industry speakers surely it is just a coincidence that the presidnt isfiighis isssae pl a vh l one pln -msoerisnt n oeo. to on china, an issue that mitt romney has been talking about since the beginning of his caaign opu fhesi t theoiomng tca eo usakg htew romney does. >> the president will wrap up his bus tour friday, and the june job numbers come out tomorrow. cagnebd e some risk f bin of cntatts idmaak

>>s lso an opportunity for him to change the subject to in his first campaign event since the health or decision came out, but he's not doing a victory at0.jb ,t ilbse nhiad pbuafter that, and then in the afternoon he will be back at the white house signing thisstudent loan and anta il f e'd tr to tsleapi boumege so in hishopes that the lead story on the news tomorrow night is n but whaeis yi >>hstod b ese oms tr sir various? bu tcrlyrtnpr tween whente

eygoto s type of -- to present a stop in a hedsdol. ltndustrial, white, owthro cig on t w so far -- i bet there been a smallplane circling overhead with a romn012 thav asped o goorbal in and tim pawlent the former governor of minnesota he are hitting all the stops obama is going to today ahofnoe tow, coulehu t ro ciga aedeei >>d ei thi e rt polico. you can be his report at

politico.com. thanks for the update. >> hey, thanks, any re fthul hay thw -peal nia p.m. atern christopher david discusses his book, covering america about the culture of american news media. ak ate wrd rmch ut o hle aesinv izs ill grn anesualo the nation's health care law. we will hear from supreme court reporters with "the associated ess," reuters,the "washington ,"e yoiman 'msir,lea

ctf loof o the aclu, and an amateur court watcher. standingext to a panel of professional court wache. starng ntomsa adovthprco "t ew y t." 'sn g for four years, but has a long history with the times, which he first joined as a copy boy in 1984 aftergraduatingfo c w htu tla gr n 8. n ecpe l pantisan litigating on defamation, privacy, newsgathering and similar issue. a decade later he became a reporter. jped oerein leis,icud t ironrifo st r alito, and an in depth series on the

nnection between contributions and political campaigns of jues on t o sme t. setisusqut tiec. ot publications. next to him, david savage, who cot rert onaa. tenured supreme 'sniosnle s"s 98 nvr aln ceer ee the "chicago tribune"'s supreme court reporter. he's the author of a book called turning right,ad rts lecotan onu blrdo's talk of the nation program. he's recently offered the laest edition of "congression quarrly"'s guide to the emut th a awet

rty ldknt inm liinm. ne to david, bob barnes, who covers the court for the "washington post" where he has been sice19,orignall heb epatl or hrofmsts e on itic rihest e of the clinton administration and the papers metropolitan editor in charge of locl d.c. area coverage. he returns to eortingi205 dag con . t sesol, ea wo a ciate press. he began cutting the court for the ap in april 2007. he's been with them since 1995, ioly cinga cal .inmna th te o beta ontae tan yo s rona and other states. his book is black men built the

capital, discovering riamanrynad puhe 2 d ydd haanry oe c his wife but she had to work. at the far end having arrived in shcod coicj 1989, previously at "usa today," and before ttcovrihe prcofo te astop bee aleir itforena ary. one she earned her law degree at georgetown law school. jone pecialize in presting o'orw h sta nourt throughtnsofdn

sue tgn t ost influential justice in 2005. and a book called american original, the life and nstition ue t anin msuhe9 srei,i bo project. so altogether we've got, as i counted, 6years of cuulive pa a sdabginor omtein eats. before we begin, i have a couple of other preliminary notes. rst of all, this panel is sponsored as it has been for nearly 20a h .. peniocus, ot leherlationship between the bench in th bar, and all aspects of a lawyers relationship to the profession, including ethics, icplinend

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le'sta whts o ybs . o s in jcrrd er cbs, and what's the inside story on health care decision? i saw in this orning's p a d, ha ti o ut.d e dan rt iis thnuh clients $3 billion fund, so we didn't get to write on this today. guess ap make you lot f ifferent stuff. would ysrt inaotiid vengnsidor >> i think we've established that i'm the junir member of the panel here. i've only covered the court for four years. coguavchteome of my more senior uranwoloo [lte etse tmto. >>evheource f that story, i don't know who it is,

was quite unhappy with the outcome, right? leabwhapd deo hr rect,paar orafa gis thwe lo p on the right who were very shocked, sprised and angry with what happened. ros.ere e set th

here's how the vote went, right? i'm writing majority opinion you get to do tis piece i'm writing piof rso ht,ou et to , umivee e io t ti od guess. john? [laughter] >> tnks, david. let me define the word liberatn's peoe rs wte rssis toeti ara vus unr pe t bn lucky enough to go through the documents available from prior terms that show the kind of conversation that is -aorn jtthton goingamg h ome w ihese cases is important but it's almost sort of just part one to the whole thing, it's the

raonal sooecniv t gr c jcen rtob lhi tiopa i o e er a hhw in gn the taxing power. we know exactly how he flt about the commerce cause. he was vigorous in rejecting ot osevendsow wih th alar ginet tuvtsid s camay e h enm uments, that john roberts was laying some groundwork to uphold it and even potentially on the taxingpw e l s corvesewob d inaitnd he en ttt aths ios sy,tins. i can't even imagine how many drafts that might have gone through because the average case can go through a dozen or two dozen drats and the thraonansst ab ia s

whhe likely headed and wasn't with the four conservaves on a rationale we aaa rrd uphd t ti a crvesee buw h ichnerigb suin oease being pressured by president obama and his statements after the oral arguments or pressured in some way by pa leahy which meing oon ibe outsers i think that's -- this just cannot hold up. the t t id rthdavd adnstiwent t gng to vote to strike this down, and then all of a suddemidstream said no.

the opinion of all the maks of a ne oiwhis thhe sfton hy cpi rationale. but his oinion for the court was actually quite clear. he knew what he wanted to say wrngt t st havhe h om ioby htu ws pt in diioat wthed midstream and when did the other direction. >> i think it's a very interesting, too. if you haven't read e opinion, wa ire biterested i the ststmri insrymc ea for himself. the descent from the conservatives reads very much adsestgurr woinht ttitde o dr

icroberts riding almost at all and goes through all of the sues that were in front of the whren'aeely up u t taxing powe, so it's a very unusual opinion i think and certainly from what stsg e inheron c thry.thnti nd can look at these stories lately just to see the depth of the anger that's going on upstairs in the suprecou ca trealer od lng u nw upot iate loe that's very rare it's usually 20 years later but he we are here a week after the soer clysmtng

uri hbid 'mlcriwhou thism carefully chosen phrase specific knowledge of the deliberation. i certainly assume that doesn't mean a justice. it ighvc owe. estimate a justice would come injustice certainly have specific knowledge and cld include of justice but if she t'sicpanuity dos h ytop ecur sources. >> one thing that is really dangerous is to try to pase the exact meaning ofterp cawe't nw-we owthor htth , heu ed with sources, you have to be

spific enough that people know where it's coming from without letting them know where it's wjadifroand 'sea >>thwdesdpsti heeltero icmss set lcrks? >> we wouldn't be right to speculate. >> wer you speaking or the pa e spngore ites l almost every commentator that i've read or seen assumes that this was a poticaisioin oayr ot pocasihet ervee g e uet aplicci. yn t i possible that roberts called it as he saw t that e worked through the issue? >> what's the defiono lil e

>> ha >>yu >> dioso reasons outside the mall in other words the decision made to save the prestige o theourt na foiicru, pocathmll tt presumably a law professor enscced in the academy with no carebout what happenedseeint rwh i o' tk era lil si. oberts had the view and said it before the court had a duty to uphol law of conrs bafodigs. idthi ud ldne ecmmerla ic taytaws o ed ithink the medicaid expansion could be upheld as a

sort of mandate requirement to the state. but i thinke did think it ul t de ca anv e t kiowo act of congress they haven't struck down such a regulatory law since 1936, so i think that thoe sm ant to avoidtat b tiitikeh toela tbeit tdo and if there's a constitutional basis for upholding them coming he would vote to uphold them. >> this is no mere reglatory act th is maor laf he emtrentve risom i siurcim ft domestic agendas there w already a high hurdle in terms of duty deferred to the elected branch of congress which is a traditional senate ofjdcl ng ao yo tiquonar ttheefa h

jualcnmaking tha you go narrow and try to uphold something if you can come and i do think that it served a couple dierent purposes for chief itheleeatsngoe >> i give him the benefit of the doubt, too. it stkes me know how littl f s ignra ac >>plvepreme court to saym hdl ink dathou rtedcs n ogt thti what it did, and i think that that's what you do and those sort of things.

i think the reactions itw liics lkbo gotoaoiiceon and a partisan one that strikes wn along. now it's coming from the riht d romtfaat isa iiegiio his lita ave a poll out today that i think is almost exactly even the number of people who thinhe codiwnhingrit ing an pu dprly huld e pushed into the political realm, and thus if peop want to overturn the tiffin theknow who to otor oet yedaihnpe b

dnweoit, 40% of americans don't know that there's been a health care decision. [laughter]omantht low ld didoi t deiesece n he in explaining the actual legal substance of the decisions. i think we werunder enormous onealfmcogud speaking fomsl in ed g ay t yseruchke uge tswr making and justice robts opinio if there's a plusible basis on which thd h at ts epe woohat 'sr t tdefo refyu the estimate what we try another comment about political. if you would get this decision and you were not following a

real closely but somewhere oundhecryd uould okt utcertof se w ugog yoisyh of the nine voted as you would hae guessed before the democratic up lpsedy juss oe moting a id predy ts puan before other republican justices voted to strike down that law, entilylesse t moicgrsi b moic rde o icte a tu dnv selooking at his background. a republican appointee, relatively conservative justice voted t uphod a thelw ies st a sihatl oue oberts.

there's another piece about feoproho that i gus ive wo inyaefl attw ar png xp i have tried to explain it and that is when massachusetts passed a similar law like sometimes we callt n lat ari t s qeaut st a mar question about whether the federal government could do that and everyone at this table knows the difference and chief fegeiiio o aiatfncnd uryhv s in ty uto a report. but if you've written about in the course of covering this sue that something that you inis importanttr

dothtdne t,'tdt nw >> i recall running a piece about justice kennedy's conception of liberty baked into diennd flientruturech is mibeba nic o at ttasudmna so i do think that distinction came up. maybe not enough, and i'mn reosopou cu ten steatan deend at ht be. >> every time i write about to get an e-mail from somebody casue er rn point i have to y htatkad d bkl ragomeasift rsthatut ising people should be

asking the question they are this week as romney care is it in force witha ax. haab ueioo este o i n eindofe rtlid ro we believe the public appetite in the case this situation i think all always red heavy-duty orieof tcecl t iondth pocaes stlyir t moepor because we had such a long run up and people really have an appetite for all things alth care. so, we had more of nint tiwenwtacfdl sun mof ivhrt9w e ee en e supreme court really greeted n to in this yes tickly because a was difficult to explain this time eveready was some ea fu tlsun tocta s

te se nd th rao ofoc bill byrne. >> we've all talkeabout this aspect which is there has bee more interest in ti seta i'ee s btby raevneimeo noha i do and the appetite believe me what has been hre otom h ub nmc imofr rs >>thpeo bl llhee exactly right. >> how much preparation did you guysave to do for this case? m chme u re at yeene tedal br adu yel al0 s it worked? how deeply did you did in

anticipation to this decision? i sll d't nw acy net know and people do anr of h uetngs or will work at iw lst menabhewe ay briefs. there was so mh information there. i think the user depend on some imanrehonhattnt you to the ones aenne pehi there were a milon briefings on this by iterest groups and conservative groups and lber ro ste ie i nhnuraces

terribly different from the justices. i read the briefs from at tickets i trust. i read therieffroiest ouhthveein reg ay o't ynoat vr n l fuadfigu out how best to be prepared because by the time we got to mid june we knew it could come any day and most of us put ouroney on the last day of seut k howe eay fo aty go t dnd atheo aeanth meuen o go do obckto the oral argument? how do you get ready and may had to pre-write versions of what thought would happen but i thought again coming you now arntndt he r rn'sb e mmrcaunecessary power in a taxing only becausei'

mosfwhhetm oe istthcu te t. >> i thought this one was intesting for many reasons, but going into the argument i think most of us thoug inh i ofttkm they're going to strike down the thotthurag 5-4 vote not only did en mifmngo meidumaney edbuidea that the medicaid expansion was ofnktitualo pe do ni law i remember

about a month ago saying tmy houlu tr-in-law u upodex ty sa yadxa poons sla atd icaesre ir to have children or pay a tax penalty th rst t cotualert t iru av il tecr, pahges,at ro wae ystem works and my dauger said did you put them in the paper? i sid no it's too simple for legal work. augh but i actually thathway g tcm >> tyodnutine er >>roecesayngel e g tt i the tax all the weekend before the ecision. >> so, what ere yourmrng

inky hodh amalifnt meusenth courtroom, which turned out to be a huge blessing because you could actuall hear, i just, understand, have thecif coerotlds, wee he ee ohu lest t oas rushing down the stairs making mistakes. [laughter] i n'ar e.oveyeit wik >> o e ted before monday is we had set up a system where we had a sort of code word that we woulds. er w rstndls weetnginthw te mswe e h inhes a e e stationed one person

inside the press room, and i actually had an open line to the woont diosing for the cod couthco s? gh >> it was really simpl a uld llfdmna eme. on a toecoct rto iw it, he relayed the code words to me and i repeated it back to him becausi had it in mind the otball gam wre t oteftoy estsi oad wanted to be sure i'd understood that we were usinghe right code words and the litelly all of this happened within like a

- a tw u hecn. an r from their. >> i should give the audience a little background. gay i sebe sit in the press aucesi h s, d tn ll thet dvesos the decisions were handed down even though the court may want to other business like the supreme bueral rsrd take erni neo e whis eaancaar audio. as they are handing out the public information office will pass out copiesf the eio. tmig p heul ayu take any electronic device into

the room. >> is that the ulpat? tia te s budokpolca m >> it used to be just eight he had to do this and i remmber the story from theime iar iethne inn lend a ut in the district of the university of california affirmative action plan. >> and you studied that in law scol. [laughter] deon asrahsnw e i a factor.c the reporters who had to jump a day in 1978 the first ing you ofclfiast g eet the niity out e r.tu

toouwto shtht td look at the syllabus and go througeach point and make sure counted the votes right. i thghers go thigo xower t ay ai n nto eup there for history. but our web site wanted to post something quickly. i wrote a couple pieces of advaed and one of tem was upld nte e pe. kee laan ntro weacd edte saosthor t tax power. but it was a lot of fun because there is always the anger i bubiestone up with the wrong story. >> that was the duty of being

the courtroom is that wasn' unlike thus which in some way ussthc iae e iod s,e ol takn bu 2 nes wh an ue bundi kennedy reading but if you were sitting therabout two - off with the first conclusion, you would have left just to the commercecas ouenmoon t andlevy and it helps you sort digest all the different eqy fu o whehinghat di bsegeot inersstheid exnsisuc down and unlike david i never thought they would. i never thought they would go that far because there would be so dangerous and pn pr thbhemia h g

kwee all sort of whispering about it to ourselves does that mean it's saved and indeed that's what it did mean itl ie dit asthhadd . >> he's sitting at the table directly in front of justice aadr aloom o as down on medicai wait, there's a week. [laughter] and at was e th ye rtn ut ind mnu e eab aof the criticism that really came after the argument, and t ultimate vndicati

esonnt- >>cohaanr ing yci othihaidmavet tee ts t woease because everybody gave him a hard time particularly the blogger on the left the asor ng mhoa s ct i ads asgniaodn the case and anybody that follows the court knows the not dede alarloou hd on that andte fsadnsd inatagmen for he made a very good presentation about saying if you look at how this works, it's not a mdate you don't get prosuteee anere an euh

and paul comment didn't have a ry powerful counter to that. inst sesught it's one of those has f h as alagme vat th his argument turns out to the winner snt'r oin li bon decision de in on thursday they reported that they had 866,00ponete weeab1: hteanil hto rnoon. does that fact change the job you do, that youhay

ss onsit ist afte o audience from yours that it doesn't matter? >> it's at we do any way in addition o thei io i't same time so while we don't have the specialized audience, we have a very generaldence. jdoin o in the press room with no electronics? >> i was actually where our offices are in the press room on rtet a tsm andtit sme . o r uestion it

changed the news reporters life completely in the people want things quickly. they want to be able to me to haedwetend fin ouwhat eylr ey at wite 'sllhuifnc abouwht the alertng meeting ssitcubco toe wb ecade disposed saying health care was appalled because we thought it would be a split decision so we went with individual manate of hl dialdatrki min s wobe hi thinking about. >> it's a very good site with formation that'sg. i dhtte,ae

e. >> maybe we should move on to other things. >> maybe something else? anngsao hsayia didt ha codeontzhem immigration case and there has been a lot of commentary about his dissent especially his rerks out president 's pe f iraai foen t smeg om oed th sebeargued. let me start with david you started covering the court when scalia a right and you've been thre his whole tenure. th sbyns oia ef f25eallpr court terms with a rush a

decision and a fiery dcent. i think there i os t-- ou rem tisam eeaeraly iaanbanee the other. >> i can tell you when it started at the end of the very first term in 86, and 7 abwhthurd o heepntoel tuhehr memorable -- the gay rights case out of colorado. he doesn have one just about every term andis-- hye vie, tw teintoghagh eat wulg out of the cord and a campaign of president obama's order on young people that had been brought here with their parents' illegal ofa pinttoud k ueshe ldse o btie

lllligat . >> i thought was an release nine in arin to e bad the usy n nr 's sedc mebhat don way and ther's been a lot of debate over the years whether he.a issent has hutr inathotofl th nt tyuha cla. y s aer he wrote to very few majority opinions. he has a strong view on wall but hes.ad some that eess wde ghe prontth he nasoiscles over the years, justice o'connor and justice kennedy.

di benhmad. really lad-basedem t islamic speaking of land base and i ink it was his first in five and a half years in h es ihen ndy ihre seweednt from justice kagan sitting across from him on the bench and pretty much ike every justice these of lheasush sokupt infooad coed the court as he saw r coplic mlelyngs orthus nint l.

th sriha as so vigorous in dissent and i guess also was it a surprise that the cases in the last five nu f epe j years theone is the leate ut parole and they can get in on mandatory life without paro or perhaps life as a possibility itn'emliheortant decisionbut twoseo he frto thin made a second goes those interesting. it would be one ing to do as earlier cases to take out an pey.re caegory from a oibl o ni ae ert. lemi hodeme b entoe without parole you an't automatically sentencing juvnil crime to

lifewio u taeoto thoeonik aouee b lo with what judges do in sentencing since the beginning of time to take account of all of the circumstances. unl hi dnd respectias therceiti a teintey btween justice kagan who announced the decision and she usually does that job with a great cheerd of tsttore unim y dt whae et cngdto really laden to her in a way that must have been unpleasant o hear and it was probably her first experience of being on the co a idnot her

itn'embeig juededn vi iicey said that everyone, juvenile that dn't commit murder should have a chancepa ooi colnt t chjue e heme thg edoha the ability to look in individual cases he was arguin deon.obak tut alito. islamic justice of the toe was on the receiving end of the first term. he wrote the- ott

ilh80ys wrote his opinion. and i think that he was unawre until that day. riggins berg was going to deliver anrlc a h anherttsclm ggd t bl heidea that women are being underpaid. they had no idea tofect th d re ed tin ndngea hi foth tofcto eme court. coy'idinsher disnt w siattetm.

maybe after health care that may be the most important decisions mfu tte otuin the sense of how attst95pu% rminal cases so we don't actually see your reprting on it. did you report that as a octeasan t id oui sa setwlve s pntth future? >> we pleaded really big. i'm not sure, and it may give itik othoitigationfr eng ralte perce oglof you have to prove lots of things about how your lawyerws an tahea el treen aot cteor be

tswlde pp tndge t e fetmin k know there has been one case so far where someone has gotten out on this grou. so maybe it's b deal but i su. a dba us bs nstiidoda eattthurisll focused on almost all of the arrangements and the fact that the court in the th edsoseibi t nstio i eanmt t n'owt pti ttor w b affected by a statutory case with the court interpreted a recent narrowing of the coeetsbecran oae om rcan plae will. >> i think one of the surprising

nos of the term if you look back on that 's the criminal defeants mot ft im cashis t . ths du ealer named jones, 9-nothing reversal for two different rationales that thevwit saovernmt a evheck vy e e a niif th parole and there's the one that adam mentioned, the crack cocaine sentencing and ll thesinstanchaimfet t'sasi abanbes o wyba hnda hesen louisiana was a sort of hiden en. th i vde. a rin urkes

e matyof the criminal cases come out where joth erva mrsnds up wnning. rang, edy was in the majority and often with of the liberals he does have a sense of i don't know how to characterize exy thes oar ay odeen inuessims disproportionate penalties. >> when we talk about what comes importantly after health care, i of odt s tve to take account he mtiaswe h ths teror eel government how to regulate anybody who within the order

fedi iast she domaiot ettrstoaes thhv we p h e pylw that there's only so much you can do. in that one they did let stand the one that could potentially lead to me racial profili e al s mur lot immigration given where they thought they might go in terms of obama's power and the federal goveren powe i jodde >> tsi masof a warning to see how this plays out. >> that may be another instance of this kind of jumptheg rptiin qeti whoecath hwte meroond

nitdooshat challenge by you need to read thopinion, get the music of it, understand how limited the holding was and hw road thhert edcsi fo o a rirp hie ndherd because it ce out on the same day of the health care decisions the court continued this trend on the first menentwth tail cty on me lo p ieei, thco honen said that despite how despicable the languages, they have a stong whhwn omendment right tosa eid w t o, adon mflag issues and now it's the first amendment right to lie about whether you have a military metal or

ste rept da shecr dsi e so is sort of slid under the radar for most people. >> that was heard in ate february the case on h emdr e tok toahleir u he cosi deny remember the expletives where they didn't reach the first amendment question. they said there had been notice here the fir amendmentases idgi de,cerl because problem when they find out where to go. islamic the thing i like about that case in public gatherings like this allows me to talk about my reer as anl-ar ar lsnth dear y career.

ischemic the stolen dollar ks speaking as a former first amendment lawyeright have even been more satisfying if there had been a ajrityrae, plitics ejc gol tttwo icpuomkind of proportionality test it's hard to make sense of >>e e eny n rsay reabe hh eouas justice kagan to slip from it ould have been a five judge majority on th? mi'srfy is wwhhei rcr unsi age altst ent aiws bt and nuancedo the point of unreeldevotee but it is what this coference. >> i pmiseat tbegin ilde tes sfefo yor

ev j tuty no rtrse woion another book? >> don't make her talk about that. [laughter] specao o > t a optit he bsada ra ie en fe iadd before. this is the anatomy of t politicslooking at the social and political history that led hiic usice hea-ent of the rs masec'y tractor in the year of hernandez versus texas when they first became a protected class so it neatly hefe hpore ah the tratoy of on intse eti lot done but my new job this harder

to go home at night and work late on it, but it's probl t woaeuince - not a biography -- >> she sai hers is an inco of abt political history of ho we got tre and the whole chapter on jose who at one point people thought bill clion might try t put on h r oin d. icit beoupona time so you can relate to that. switching iefly it is a lawyer surface lik my work is nott my ort acad

athe broad trend, but even though i don't have to file and a daily well iti o fi le faertanu d a paof e . >>s y e t irrkg aboky t see six not yet? >> you did a biography with whs pteed? aru g be heiiid she said i have so much planned arinwch teh clue. so she was in the courtroom the

week fore. all the speculation of women would be hadled down, nobody knows whe is anbe a et pongt ryonosihi se isso en wiwaint finish as grant to come on june 28 and was in the courtroom before and made me quite nervous when she showed up beai w shi hear stdo her sixth thing for the justice on the supremeut ieewg h t d ad mrss she i'tw oulde joan mabus -- om tayos h

urm. she seems to be doing well at 92 making speeches and giving asd e hsicnesn h are theranretirements likely to be seen in the nxt year or to do you think for health reasons or otherwise? >> one of th iidd foovg hsprem ur t hi stgaond forever. >> the general view the one summer we know we are free to go on vacation is he summer of an ec ytoo ineidun hat rt auming no but his leaving this year and no one seems to be in bad health.

tangutinttnext ren frtt ere t >> the final call to the to physical renovation of a has been going on five or six years now and i guess must be neing mpleon. thur tthees a oue assume when the great improvement when you will move back into the building. >> i don't think it affects us. the t lte nddohe r o he can.fas but it doesn't affect our job. >> although it does allow you to use the metaphr of closing the tiurthouse door from time t f lka hecut

ildiowy ha t do both work from the earthquake and a lot of the front ofthe courthouse is now ceret e htslee cth y pretend supreme court while the fix the real on heothe jueshvth dn't have anything to do with the modernization. >> on the xt termefor pale athem to lookqios in at the defense of marriage act case. he's representing the house of

estatis an kltoze rtvosat ac co texas and suppressed the same-sex marriage case from california and others that you are focused on that i am not and any thoughts about tai t whee? ghin u circle. we do have a court with five members that are very skeptical gre cncnce grn onh c w ht savrouhiprms c f place with a very idiosyncratic race conscious admissions that case is a big cost da dalde opuntoec,i

think the same-sex marriage advocates of the had to choose which in the case which after all only askswhetr a fedal law hasttakee itthroofbo u merely making the federal la congruent in an area where it is traditionally governed that an airn on igihtt. on the from the function the thing for a for a buddy to watch is whether the albia texas only gotoh.aere national caseiw mbexadpdown system high schools around the state are automatically admitted to autot ao

ntdiitro stnd aio atxathe race as one admissions factor and the challenge is to the extra use of race so the court could y asong ov o smc't consider race of the would be essentially limited to texas real on the other hand they could see mor broaly more use mianse two e oua big deal that would affect universities all around the country. >> it's interesting what a difference it is around th country in californiae nstnaent sasngten h caoeomtxscai certainly seems if there was any

legislature that rule who couldn't use that race and overseesios an he thse e os a t aktvere teini think. >> this little side note since this is a legal audience, texas urged the court nt to take the . 'ser acniv e ghert t ac on campus, and after was granted, texas hired a lawyer who used to be a solicor ofrupte hg wobe.os wtt soone has a fine reputation for one the case the we were talking about, sos and the jue ine tv

methi seiv vngn w.b nitaneoicitor general coming at this in a very non-of a logical way will probably help the texas ses a o

>> is a democrat, at least in the primary. ominfyocaju doheicesir e mst k virginia, a republican gets elected, i cou see that happening. i just don't see the majority of democrats and governors turning whrerou?io

y answer, if someone wants to head towards the micropne, will be ready for the next month. >> that sounds like a pretty thventwlo cof asi waoandi.r fn oncio thoue xp t the public that i am turng down millions of dollars of federal funs to pay for health dodoou rtaop, an i ne g t g t heathae in prcattevf t aa the state didn't particarly like the expansion come that somewhere down the line, they're going to say if you're pay 0% oe , in, sonoreyiha asntae nd en0%sa dgte r us. i think i read in my paper by the great robert pear that te

do.rida senate will turnt i tikht n w th oet.bde 'sie st h oio doit then it might be later. >> this is a great red state and blue state divide. all the blue state say yes, we will take the money and the red states saye're going to stan and notake the oe e st wyka ouendth w wao aur] ce edo e oun't have a big impact. but if there is a patchwork of states in and out, wouldn't you possibly see an enormous immigration of old, sic peoe inheteatedt ompimay,be a ate losing old andick people -- >> you don't mean old. >> old and/or sick. peoplehat ed malcr al oeaohr th k up those that make up

to $15,000 per year. those people could lose out. wobee ov sttseopo ewogedir. ovhe og run the state is going to turn down that type of money. permanently from the federal governme. ves gelil ie be ye iny hemot w'tnt. but it is hard to see years down the road or 10 ars down the road but a single ate or two is going to say, you knowwa?'sht >>t wnehr topol w ec opt out of the insurance purchase and pay the tax penalty. you can save oursel d drsea mta

wh gicand need, why not able the money and use i to have a better life in the meantime? >> the only thing is, and peop might legitimately make that al i hn, t now we know the e vpeieal r engisat ve if you put that money into health insurance policy, at least you have a heal insurance policy. if you pay the tax, you give it up. itsavr usn t opd tht iwa y o ra $2500 inmy pocketto y an engagement ring for botaan,y thf et s ea [lteld

[laughter] >>thank you. in my mind, there is an inconsistency utice calia hiy,inlof on t other.o originalist thinking, i think if you look at what somebody from south carolina else about the wobefe twhon and the 17, it meel n w ab cotu ahe0s wandg nyon l doncit to my mind and that inconsistency? [talking over each other] >> i should defer toyu >>feliesko hes tramrk d tsa and wrote in the context of that era. his beef on legislative history is that it is not actually as inatthe ulooh nu

, us i stat spes gon h all the other committee reports and artifacts of legislative history, they arentsged inawe sgn itmsonen py pplorntf fft onnd th majority of the supreme court still does have a high regard for legislative history ti apriy ncle totngsar oanmh 'tt thasthw.s mets ko o he also doesn't care what the intentions of the framers were. he wants to knowhat the original public understanding of those words at the time were. and i think that is not very tef tttetfo ength pin ive uen about affirmative action case that is coming up. i just want to hear more about

it. deon-si osd that potentially h e msuptrdo if hanou a which way justices might go for which way they might be swayed, i am curious any insights y might ha >>hijue rts reere ot h deonatac t in seattle caes in which race was used as a way to sort of balance ouscolio. asqu ccaa. waon d back from saying that schools cannot use reset all by justice kennedy, who was noeady to go that r. am w den usn stiute

stan, aou know, it seems pretty clear that there are at least fo very strong votes andjuti ed o avd e re y, onoe e lyte t o thersi one-for-one, conservative pork and conservative and liberal or liberal. o'nnor was in the majority of e i mig ci. i think there is some reason think that the affirmative action regime that we are used to make her down. >> gwn hi t0tvs opn.on ti -- i hppene

of ts sckme lngcarein estieoin us sa fes nil and usable basis for opposing or dfting legislation, uchl dng ihnht utceware in ravea that notion, since he thought that fairness was indeedthetst ston ajualtiki onwhhoso a rs,b a achieving anything. warren wrote that it was he most important decision that was tenud, but i wonder ether in prenvifs t

adnaan by which appropriate legislative districts can be formed. the other aspect about it is it seems mt d euan,ch ht warren is best remembered for, has also been put in the ashcan. there was a recent "new york times" article that talked about racial segregationn the public schools ofae, s w gern as log he nin olndpaulrb schools. >> well, the impact of baker v. carr is veryard to measure. yoredyththhears sincei coy oerlh flng pe he es eylehey' not dominated by rural interests the y theywereor

oonthak. ra mun its rish if pe in e cities, there should be more representatives in the cities than subur, not people penrrlenting, you knowoe r ri inats ag impact. >> that seems to be the answer. next question. co mrins fre s in,l >> hello, we did not see any specific fallout from the narrow interpretation of the commerce clause and in necessary and properlause. are therean cass on the zoere tsl le o t no d so w duth wco? >>t g uon e y colleagues are.

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really no other law like this. they were not particularly answ, but thaserly, withhis oenmnte,i h er ry inse toute >>reonhespng sedethink there's going to be a n of litigation about what conditions are okay that had sen votesehinit. ofstiolwie si that.at or the celebration of it, that is. i would think that there would be lotof min radeweec t de onm tstdth oat dtsf gst d raising the drinking age 21, reducing the speed limit to 21,

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tol trr hng gs e at so that if arkansas were to say, for example, we are reluctant to do this medicaid expansion and okarasu'oiawas os40 monyon' lo with it. i think they have restored the principle that there has to be a deal wih the tateetrooo in tth tudpe s ay curious about the case that the supreme court heard in february, i think it was. which went from just seeing whether corporions can be ed iaunth a t atan natof magsla rrohrns an be adjudicated in the united states. i'm just curious what your opinion was unaware that decision will go.

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people are interested enough to answer the larger question and thanswer may well b no extraterritorialiio y tiiott reinathaon y i the case. i guess law students learn early on that you have to read the whole decisionbefore you kind of decide whhease ound ye owt . wriitthes s,agobe mesineleo standards that are adopted by some media organizations to try to prevent what happened from happening again? >> i a o di anres he th t 'mth itus e hned no ppt of our -- [laughter] a lot ofalk about that going forward and how make sure that it doesn't happen again we

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asked him how he was going to handle this, what's he going to be out therend how someone ran the opinion -- he aid abluly ni'in g sendd t oy tthsa dntt c say what it said, and that worked well for him because he is a very smart and careful guy. >> you know wha he said t haest veeor hf gh metll i rr. e not many tv networks when i started -- they all had a person who is a full-time reporter athe court, and they re tbee kn e urdkn tas well. i do feel really bad for the people that are ou there because they got themselves in a very bad situation of trying to say that we are going to o aive rt

ann,koy 'tn thato tyl. nycag hand saying the first point is this or that. that is not -- somebody should hire up an organization have said look, it's going to take fiber -- five minutes oso t redt weulokit wit, k pof th wwe do.it one of the things they drill over and over s first get it right. the is no way you're going to opn d iih. smecut stwaoestt yo commit anything to paper or

stayed on the air. >> just for the hiorical corddoesonow was firsth cctd >>l,a sa t ci p hd 1007. >> there may be some argumes 10out seconds. c ah w t [lte pplae] >> i think we were the first. >> really? >> i was in the courtroom suy eriic caa c.ht >>ily ik thasciepss reuters and bloomberg had the 10:07. to find out what second we got, i don't kowbutelld posu and i sg with the

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to held a hearing. >> this hearing will come to de nooad t, lstiy ensten rs wtolcth tns onng. this morning's hearing marks the final installment of hearings that the subcommittee has had on money. in march we had a hearg that ofilymasrrfrerthtldscacott e inmbndad erlihiwd rd mrs s to learn the different technological developments in mobile payments. i casay it is an exitin fure a i hdeaiutbee it methin e nie lbo cut eurytrr for the payment system and how new developments consider itsse en ghstructure

thilfle pat ab.i nn annore inet clo ixs now. for that reason, it is impoant that we understand the rules of the road. todas reto ttu earsolusn t ainst protects against money laundering and the financing of terrorism. or dwe need make changes, and if so, what anges should be theaweeptatfr eso t thderee behe rtthymsy f lo ie the boston and atlanta feds do as muc as possible for the pitfalls of mobile aments. wilthdu w sfd h f s tes wbe thtsst fi

bi payment hearing warned that some of the forms of payment available, including bibigs ere of pone rrlamewe rs t ane,fnme rct network's help our law enforcement agencies fight money ladering and the financing of terrorism, and is if aafheneo l oueouur irtsfiia stiooreport financial suspicious activity. we need to make sure we get this weavbeenarneexplly illha tll e remn nt transaction moves towards anonymity. we also have come and i will ask for unanimous consent to insert into the recod, a statement from the cfpb. i also want to fiurewitnes

r irr a ae neprpgs innd t y o udventsce cuthomee would like to thank director freese for his service as head of the committee. we know it isadfftj nouaetasnt he oba co inisitn i d to recognize -- there she is. i thought i heard her comingi. ca mnghe care. [laughter] >>hank you all so muche chairwoman n eme. i h hilok th e obpatsd vecod chairwoman

of the committee for holding this series of hearings on this new technology an we cohosted at ai tot o cosshio er shirlin theeek, and i am pleased that we are trying to get it out ahead of the issues, rather than finding oursels overreaing n bei ct ralli ul l py pete i ecr believe me, it is very teresting, but i would like to hear the testimony today and how the opportunity to a quesons,tirl t eaidtyadeu d ta ectyf os ..

it is relevant to mention that the last significant policy initiative emissaryihs opteo esnd hoerrmeroindi ift em and so madame chair, my hope is

that today's hearing helps congress and regulatorsmbrace these new nonst reto rm tawos revey vve yla >> mr. space for tee minutes. >> thank you and may i commend you and the ranking member for putting thisvry porta a nog dtmlyer. no me profound than in the mobile phones we use. amanpleqelyn become a pleantl protected from the abuses from innovations or identification theft. many people may not know but 92 rt fl rnopowmbpo

the payphone has gone by the way and with thatcomes all other types of services connected with baacanttnt heml hs.eye ca information, pharmaceutical and formaionall on their phones. so it has become an integral an wly veklbs. ret uaptcts, are there. and half of these phones are what we call smart pones, whi e bl ocesngmoil swnoo er ment scope of the significant amount of impact that mobile phone

ve nouetrexice rtara eitan ounal unour health care all very important issues it's important that we make sure that proper thyor ohaith pt haour t. with that guide before opening statements are complete and i would like to turn to the panel. our first presentermae eith ert o su. welcome. >> thank you. good morning. iim ris tractor of

fincen and i am pleased to be here to discuss efforts to establish a meaningful regulatory framework for ole paents or gig en e. tmotowioc mems ior gury tiw g criminal abuse of the financial system s technological edge dances create innovative ways to use money. on tuti e to kesionbeebibag o en. le bnvo unications and corrections from an account holder about their account at a depository institution. mobile payments essentially involved thdirection t toecym oocou le esiotys tiessubject to relevant fincen war money-laundering purposes. either is part o the

trer.n tmn or at f fincen to comprehensive approach revising its regulation one year ago specifically to cover mobile payments and otherinvns e uewstife noca nal foar ocepm specifically their rule focuses more on the underlying activity as opposed to the articular vee.tronic communications heil els rso-onmer enha rbren ofe trha ov midfy h customer suspicious activity. in furtherance ftate enlas i r hae pt otend oeranen triso futo

other peron or location by any means constitutes money trsmissions and wholly or in ens motason. the subject to the regulations must register and comply with alrequirements pdictab to shy ratlstt. ar i pidesguon they held a serif town hall meetings with representatives from the prepaid cessindustry if released a number of piesoa rct oup ce ationd guceldfhng latothissues raised by the attendees during the town has as was ongoing requests for clarification guidance on mopntces atofmr

enemice reglarly provides rerence manuals to help better understand the working of the various payment onilpyeang n ide stepto pen the manual and in the subsequent law enforcement outreach, we have seen an interesting trend in t mobile payment industry hr diffen fiiachsme e sa o me ymt anio r pl csrht ooo initiate a remittance to a physical money service location but the transaction than being processed due to the thymoe tnosem. to riembl un onpln he tyllce a t message notification on their

mobile phone that indicates the funds have been credited to their mbile account. thraactional oap choith a ssw foen rtlw e oeai f r unnd transactions associated with a given subjct. fortunately, the fincen prepaid access regulation must flle acmo ngdb no tthmredso aure ifh en u.nts sh as aspects of the scenario that i just described. in the area of new payment meppiav she dinisatias xaodarind prsshaadt. totig ul on es accomplishments as we encourage legitimate consumer commercial activity to flourish bu also help finanal service per f o vingi om c

k fo nvg if wldhao weay tiyoa . >> thank youdirector freis and we will have ms. stephanie martin associate general unsel goorrvar lc mikimemb mey mes he subcommittee, think you for inviting me to appear before you today to talk about the regulation of mobile payments. th oltiontie ee umu nctrnsng leicasptnal athr iiivd important in new wad putting by expanding access to mainstream financial services to the sickness of the population rrrytb nyymsy n ti memts regulators have two key

concerns. one is whether consumers are protected if something goes trctn nd ubr whe unauthorized e ytm id pote rindidnt f ree pain that of consumers in may mobile payments at es som aro thh tiay sms ar ork. bjtotts es d urhae ad in plac the eve of an aspect of mobile payments typicly are related to th eu nfa' d pat eten ngtswi invve rvprerate adnaen in payment business. for to become a telephone company. making payments through nontraditional arrangemes may chge t projections reted urcheeng e taofnnt rulabtes

er al amk o address the payment activities of banks and federal bank regulators have the tools to pates opiaks offer mobile ite umroio ore uhhleon a nd transfer act. the application of most federal consumer malta must payment rukind neprs iubj o te fiiarbtum prs,he banking agencies review the nk's security protections for the new payment interfaces as well as f inat sitdey laridaon ohe uestions that have arisen with respect to mobi payments cover relate to the involvement of nonbnks.

nonbks cha a aiyo si hnti sh agna prm,on stter or a company that builds customers for payment transactions. setyuint oabily f stin thlethemees n d spicrvisns of the particular statute. in conclusion it is difficult to make broad generalizations about the apbiliy xs patsult oi isdu t difnt annon-bank the wide variety of payment arrangements and the potential applicability of both banking and nonbanking to any depm i oiepytt rtanis h decy

apriin order to ensure consumers are adequately protected. at the same time, given the fast paced nature of changes inis fain wl a that ani analysis and would be helpful to ensure that any legislative or regulatory proposal would not lenoonld fioerea anu n inng aaray cote questions. stencaofier wd n wd pntthadwh ng frdnking mobile payments from some better in the system and some that are innovating into th ys.

e nc t hy veth ot w o ahofuve regularly with egulation and stiflehe noonn owh ulbndo in bor under bank. so the point of this hearing is to see where are we and where do dow lawms d o w ths se i'nk omng keep all or audion. i would like to ask the general question are there in existence now and foral or fo sturtat akav

recognized through secific agreements along the lines f mobi paymentand um wi odalst in he >> i would say for a particular new arrangements that are using nonkviproiogy, usuallyyu omeselnecman soa particular mobile payment arrangement would have agreements in place as to how that will work but many of these arngemts uatgt nex fosngin ym als consumer with a virtual mall let who wants to put in that fall with a credit card or debit card would be fnghediit

sansoutnra oosrennd retstlee ad n place is that responsive to your -- >> i don't know if you have a comment on that if you are ware spliagena arwa foro ut wit r b to bank relationship agreements that are already existing? >> i would concur with ms. martin thfyo yio rner ewen fe fci stiotht' agly today reliant on existing banks networks such as those inlving of the what we commonly knona whne teis o otisu talking about proprietary systems on going to

a specific money transmitter and i must be a member of that network. etasu i o nonktiannd oi ym te e norstsas lkg about being able to hae a car that you could sap between pay and with your visa re on.for a samperayou you say that you are going to be using your u.s. their frequent-flieriles or something of that nature is that ththou kintniat e inat yndanat m to gesd cave a mobile water arrangement to have different ways of paying for whatever you are purchasing, and you have -- ayman today you iusy eee d fi

ecific merchant so i can use more u.s. air flight miles at u.s. air so that is typally within ery rrs th ey focot thawud e ymt cr network rails f it's going to depend on what card to pull out of your virtual wall let as to what transaction t tg tt hesueon trct that may be coming over the same virtual wall let. >> one of the issues is to look at the consumer protection ls ths edcr vef law but it'sot clear that those laws do apply in each case

where a non-ba s vlv yo a.it p >> caste ee itwiangh tiip n mind. the concept may apply or may not depeing on how the system isrur. ma s loy? >>rswao k o e nlisto imy, and i agree with the chairlady the we certainly do not want to ifle innovation which was part of your tstimony as wmv d ae cmeeted anerng aeroted as you look at this evil thing technology must say in terms of privacy and nsumer protection voor i.d. it would be

hard to give your identity which is regrettably a different crime cotu.ericamong many of our w lg e om cseisn' ceil bn. who do you think would be the primary regulator? someone has to be in charge and what agency should take h haen esly tind wt hould the banking regulators be involved in coordinate and could you see aking t oroeimyrtoth fb anur comments first mr. freis an then ms. martin. how do you see this being

regulate you needohveomeon ca hes rbem. there's a range of different reti oesor ure approte tiy-de ia rpthine n way of money and ntermediate value can be abused by acollector 's ico h hemputig hemois hogh bank or through a traditional money service business to the payment space we haa co iesmaing we yofrank

agencies or states faugh kaput and we found tt that is an important woing del a o teeaow s inriacthem have a primary responsibility with respect to safety and soundness consumer prtection, but our aby ork thte s r leti h im-ler irt. in intral to avoiding the reulatory gaps in the balances they must take criminals frankly wold abuse. so t mod butharo oswng. the strategic questiono think about taking ownership of s

dienpe fttthgh experience and expertise that can cover the gamuso there's a first step that seems to me hersol rdsindcnu g o ten y sto figure out you are covering what basis, what gap there are that need to e res hote cona.s a >> finally someone has to be in charge otherwise everyone is pointing fingers at each other. thetsifg soyh in aisnewhd orthw olie but they are out there now, tens

of thousands of people are already using these products and prti aestacs ss iwhat rosumer auiz rnsacn to the prepaid phone deposits for threless phone bilin >> meehe efinition of the money transmitters and registration requirements and bonding and investment soohtnt e esha oelen toigoe peaps that's something we might want the fcc to weigh in on. i'm not sure what kind of otecons e ie

coicnsrer litenerbllhi gh rp a payment. that i think is worth some i t1o mobiletigation. payment users don't have a bank account and that roughly 30 million americans are eithe nkr uba. wihfthroup d d brele keet bki system? >> it's hard to predict the second question that you asked. thinthobme en n ptu o nkandmlaw to obtain services perhaps that are more

efficient and even cheaper than what their alternatives are today whic may be going throug checcs oon smrnpg et st r % f eo o have a mobile phone, so it is a very ready device for them to enter into the financialsystem. totheha ban avblrotmehm athta to e op into a bank relationship through a mobile phone that is a replacement for a check catcher oon thihvesre atwaoul co a prohibitive for market participants to nnovate within the space. what specificss inataniveni h

biay s as ensure the data security and enforcement of antimoney-laundering lawe in ha aeleet guonn if va iwy th it's important for the regulators to set some priorities and key concerns that ofh aru.d like t l menecupn onsins protection security he might add antimoney laundering to that list. so if we can look across all of es aageente thy erat a y' awn mea meunyoe e e et is going to come out so allow people to experiment with pilot programs until some

best istry pric are bld tthmigt tetwh y s rtar amg thige ime to do that. >> this next question goes to you mr. freis an m. martin. inattag ldehat onweegtonte united states and other countries? thrthun triinng rt advlo ntti pipin s expectations of the risks are and efforts to mitigate them. we do that and abodl morsmonotinn fi e i

mblmts as oposed to other mechanismsor entering the right approach especially is based on oury yst xrss tapid viecog r o nee s thnd to prescribe one specific area by the time we have agreed on any international basis of the already be obsolete t otcnolal ths g oeonan foteu. byk tin inos developments and pushing other countries to work in that area. i can tell you in my own work in the development these repd acss iecal veaielgeth tetshe reulatory side and the wall enforcement side throughout the entirety of the process sending copies of

e mendp oor blotadme ekfrheeof e fic t ig uso s e es t specific concerns. ms. martin? >> i would agree with that and i would add it seems to meta fsvi s e ray vingt a t y attpst thinking about international regulatory standards. generally those kinds of discussions, when systems ae hbeetbhead 'ted t. spand agree. >> i see that my time is lapsed. iwould like to ask unanimous nsent to insert the wig m se p er e regn ar mesqeti >>nk mea

calling this hearing and the witnesses for being here this morning. onof the things i want toak iriu dendp atmpntunta erd h r is using and the risk involved becomes very important f the advance the technology we have seen whtm teontgrowa e encill con lous. what recourse o consumers have when they encounter problems with the unauthored. wee ecy e tag vge la fo seniors, and even though they get involved in thi i open up for y ofoutors

es i tee g un ce credit line. they are covered by the efta or tila to read those procedures wod kin oosme. >> houhe e fo? wao upeironnd irtol atthe time delay between something that occurs in the time that their account is reimbursed? that means money and alot of them are on edinome. thtiimams a h hateadshou be disclosed to consumers as well. i believe it is wit wi t asth thhns ho imedle investigation continues bt in

many places, it gets concluded. asthftykn tonsumer initiates the process and then i should be. should be and doing it is two different things. thothepoini wao k it rttoe wslyalaeer -bi v know some non-bank payment providers, efta reguation eiart. nhee g s threin ho oceshihin arrangement. >> with me ask another question along these lines could nsums idget

crcs.e a o obviously this is the cost for a lot of consumers quon ube n aulpreucs gursaim national standard esimte of dierslioo we n ot.ld ouavo deal with a few th ls a payment you sent. inign fc-fng >> consumers are -- my time is

expired, i'm sorry. bee voo gingso t. ker th enh cncludeira incaleatee in od yff g avt get rid of my rotary phone. [laughte myea nsowt-uen wi teio tar man,u statement you're going to wait until the market is mature until you get a regulatory gotoe pch he rhe

wi hest ro producing these new innovations and find ways to curtail abuses of those read off thebat x inmrs died oow rontnd. generally when we were one international standards and othercns'sen he led faipa. neo do further investigation domestically before we start talking internationally. areyu- aoaethe proposed le going into the wire transfer services?

>> i'm somewhat familiar tt. reuf rai isongtcbiym isste question. so i'm not sure that there are many mobil payment arrangements at this time and maybe you can jump in ere that arebig udr rnn. cty e so rvfr which mobile payments or a part of the international women's netork. cod rour ulat amk hegren juwned ite tht we recognize the risks cross for payments and for that purpose of thoseorla ar bjtotetshof vi et rnfemo

ot of the country from a 0-dollar threshold automatally brgs atmechanism iluding e oip nrk n e etofrwo ec af s nt. hee, o hs wveceit is that if we impose an important regulatory framework on the unitedstatebttt usi fttrt ceouos sospichvlo amended our regulatory framework last year taking advantage of the authority at congress gave vretasmr idto et he rv .. sssion before the regulatory arbirage.

the alntd if eommends to take a proportion of approach limited amounts that can be transferred, advanced financial incsiono whrer mmat o i te nsations we took in the promulgation of the final rule last year and we will continue mito thi ioen yefte ul o rules we take alook at whether it is achieving its intended effect and then reconsider whetr changes are ma it's something thate wi doinisaery l adl spbe.gre yi bk h alance.

>> our final question is going to be mr. space anthen i think we will dismiss the panel. les k tabout ten minus. t' usewhdld gvthe american ople if one of them were to lose their whhothoepclyir mobilehne, gag te ecte l ma, watld d teyl ir cell phone? >> two things. one is before you lose your cell phone make sure you have a sswo. phorpt r a ti'intfo nss anht s on the phone and who to call if they lose their phone. soerhen ou at nformation

on veyd el tte h le c cfu lose your cell phone. >> but on your side of things, what steps would regulators ta to mesrums w wh adwet mplain, what do they do? it's good that they put their sulfone and password and all of bteirnyin ecalhehuld foe ils crdirdmgicl eb d on o say stop payment on tat. o they're ought to be something more some procedure we can toaorilaatwith the cnsumer as coer nav te ar o there now capable of doing a lot of things with this

advancing technology. so if we don't have rc outogt oth so whwh aho to contact once they lose this precious strument. >> i think the who ocal mhtend wk biymapat y ve oe mbwi cd extly the same thing as a finalist my plastic. i would call that credit card companieso i think many of those procedure the u. realatldthme ph. d y ou as democratic they are aware of the risk. e hist hern

prtsertih e s ecu ohv recourse to your funds so unlike you lost your wallet with cash, if you lost a card, you do have the abilityo conac h cad yoonk. 's oooiten bet coer and every it is important that the steps to take to get the funds back t ydmcr.s.marn eib >>nko uine d o further questions the chair would know some membe may have additional questions for the panel which may submit in writing without objection the hearing ll rain p ys tbitwi ao rcteron heodwhhii om i know we love many more discussions on this as the evil

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being here today and thank you all for the work and you're doing in your classroom each and noi s or o tre maho ba caucti and teachers his whole life, my bisband, our vice presintje ppe] iniowpploa u nerstan. ladies and gentlemen, my name is

joe biden and i am in love with a teaher heg] you know, i was told by a news commentator about we did e t naleindais enr m ofe networks says people say that you and your wife have a ove affair. i said yeah but i love hermore than she loves e. evody s t gh ti ontirish ot adi a study on what makes marriages last and i id what was the conclusion? la aenen look,gogob

dennis, i read your speech today forraia fit d ormeohamy ee ty uuc ataid expressed the sentiment that i was trying to express except you said it better. you know there's alwas been debas. i etthi rsts pueoow me halbedated democra and the republicans on the scene on projective on how to improve puic eduction rsacion tmoteeoemcyte ded hyears that i've been engaged about early

education and its values. thsroom size, whether it matters or doesn't, but subject nfcevis he asm, out edfo iti laboratories moving from dilapidated buildings. we aue there have been treatises writen ab o mu hehinsmater wet tho ro in y o yee gh s not demand particarly high standards of particularly difficult circumstances coming and we dehg sns t no,esol er bseryha caty wete eaes

we had these debates as the naon changed, as the social mores changed and e nature of abho om pyaeddas ucn better. i've always been guided by my mom's us version literally en she would a drte chendtbemha h exo la in those ebates didn't usually kdwsdera eubn re t y live in a the region of the country you live in and what is more appropriate and what isn't more appropriate.

but ladies andgen oa a o li ou th rblaty. isaifea la isa different party. neither bad or good, just different. a different party. look,folks, let me t i yo ,eurstas,yoend u assault. romney, governor romy and his t $t bos ell i private schols. i'm not looking for bos. tootl but tdiresaighhone the difference between how

president obama and i review educatn and our republican llesdaew ad lo y epy l e pll--thwy eri daar ppe] hello, delaware. i'm not prejudiced buthey are probably the best eucators in the om. aur] di n en,ry ou hn governor romney is a good decent man, he's a good family man. i think his intentions are all i t a- n' juni tjd oncaasmch about america and the education system as i do. dienve.aalh of the matter s

d ahath ould tk e ile on money angive it to the states and let them use it to increase the voice of private schoolrpu oech esthth ulko a hoted harrias a his allies characterize u.s. not caring about the students but caring about yourselves. you listen to what thy. itthe hes iho is. [applause] of these guys don't get fat. i stgoddnt nk rsadby doing, like in

politics and business, in a religious hierarchytheris anerepanars we nent an any other profession i te world. ths clinre a professi you chose to be teachers because you care. you chose to be teachers because you wanto make thi on yooweec ebse ili entitled to d as good as they can.he aaus

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because their car bkeown or a or ant wdonde do u tocansa i bere sngh this child until they are safe. [applause] it is you, who gets your tre inat eshld s yoow they wot make it if they don't pass. [applause] it is, a h wed is iu le t nnblartoto home visit to emphasize to a mother who is under great stress raising her kids by herself that itous whesways she can gete

[aus and there are so many stories i could tell. i will givyou one. [cs apse york pnsylvania e heerneou eich dic is ripp of money. the reason is this god-awful recession they inherited and the nature ofw3 the chae of the city ork. be.har be h cacat lotho a pay increase, but the teachers and all the school personnel got kigalwk, k n syia an t way, i am confident

and i apolize for not mentioni the hundred other york's ohefo giupthdshi la a gentlemen, you are the sameç people who coach your gounne heweek in school anthen leguel t yorere tam ophoan a rag for families whose house burned down and they lost everything in the house because they didn't have homeowners insurance. you are the people inth thkeal arcon

e y su camp. you are the same ones who go out and buy school suppliesn some owckrists y bee kcaaf [aus governor romney and his new republican party, instead of focusing on the things that can actually help you do yourñr job erke mg y veers fhery ci u eme whhet ol.o t into the workplace,aking sure that the kids have access to compute he ds its yoa ee ss a ofntth technology. instead of going out and doing that, or giving you the flexibility you need to teach with creativy andpan,

usu not hio tivyo a abhoroedio in this country. inset of those things -- [applause] instead of those things, what are they doing? wti'meish ll aowe t a mrmn and the republicans in the united states congress today. they criticize you and they blame y. thaku ell. topoueob o w ert dcu st they hector, they lecture and they blame you. [applause] th tell leul you selfish. ifntlut w d dseo,'tl

ha you value. show me your budget. and i will tell you what you value. [applaus ow mheoundr leta lat governor romney and the republican congss. they have shown us their budget. thel sd hed on bt juit education, they c $4.9 billion out of the elementary and secondary education, which may result in lo t jnd s 30 t cnuis bin-ar cor oil companies to go out and drill for l. [applause] instfama?

c htay an as 200,000 kids, losing access to quality education because we have increased the standards for al oosudshg craldeg ts gap. [applause] they cut pell grants, as many as thenieoruds twilos re t120 enwh ed tel sin college. they refuse, they refuse to help 300 atasdhe back to workçzv o rso s,so't uprtedor te -yo they need.

25oltatst lessilstle eeheidsc why did they do this? do the tnkitmps at he t iver itom ield poon lthrl economy. i think they do this because they want to make sure there is 2 liol curaio ioes dn el ol inonfe t . romney has proposed keeping the $800 billion for tse ie peril $2ll g o t

le ma minimum of $1 million a year.ç of h tverior.hi a pot is, they have a fundamentally different valu set than we do. just lten to governor romney and some of hisepublican frnds. stenofheng ey. noutthucno em compared student loans to quote stage iii cancer of socialm. i am not making this up. gornoromsauoi reutit po s 240,000 teachers jobs. he is not pleased?

give me aak s ea sttg40 he in philadelphia, on his magical mystical tour,. [laughter] clsioe merpf terat omg of pe sit mng a teacher to say, quote, you know i can't think of any teacher in the whole time have been teaching over 10 years who wld say more stentsould bitm. qui'tnka pnt atwod s i'd like my teacher to be in the room with lots of kids and only one teacher. whe oakatte. llin eshe thud htowig

ak chance. how? go home and borrow money if you have f yas. oue frou nt w ouno gom d borrow money to start a new business from your parents? [laughter] gh laxd and he says the president is out of touch? how maf y all he a sw ba un aur] yobehng t gsor president, one with a swiss bank account and one without? i mean it's kind offou

alano kt yontknow ndtato ooue yoroio tir place, go to his web site. here is what he says about youç you and m quotg. who ce,oting n rrto nur pas from having a meaningfu choice or children of having a real chance, then you are othe onsi saev bveat

iy lithea buy abth haeeoi iora ld cathof a candidate for presidt who has ever made such a direct assaulon such an honorablerosi w o u o ur ue ppe] ke said, look guys, you know me. i say what ihink and sometimes you don't like i juikere yssome lousyter nen usars but ladies and gentlemen, how many of your colleagues do you know who enter the profession of honyyo trade a 5%othereason

bump in your salary for those kids w come up and look at you and say mrs. jones, you have changed my fe. la mafo thle a teacher more than knowing, knowing that they acica pna kid with eitr a oban o, in at sao them? [applause] because ladies and gentlemen, because the next generation is we-eduted. ae g avre do ooshe e eive ey g av tihat avoid some of

the incredible difficult choices people have to me. six out of 0tus --ix 1ob ad e g rq s juo bl compete. look, it's all about choices. it's all about opportunity. it's all about it a ae. u kiron aie ngecy ewo kn ad know that jill is right when she says any country that out competes us, o [ause e c foeod.d g the days are gone when we were the only country who had universal education were over 100 years. gaasy ldy e

gd th,iof ma, gfo mpiod gfo . folks, here is what it comes down to. creating an economy where everyone haschance, where the poore it wayph chen dene anhat gion s reap even greater rewards. that is what i thought the system was about. we have a fundamtally different view as to how to accomplishth rnoman nd . maure hat those at the very top of the greatest opportunities and somehow, that thosso-called job ea mevhikar refs. fionsel us ftht-. he believes this. he truly believes that. but we believe that the way to

build this country is the way we wayse,m mi athot'lw ah to i ven ets e ysdo no ow innovation, research development infrastructure and education. and education. [applause] ladies and tn, aa evodpays their fair share. [applause] ladies and gentlemen -- [appuse] my uan iay - h wlndt es and gentlemen, thick about this. in the jobs bill we ad, we broke it out into two pies. tersacesps partly put00,000 thy air i

id wl of 1% on the first dollar you make after your first million. according to the polling data evenhe millionaires thought mina ajar. ioasr le e wlt rsus e pati t middle-class. but nothing habeen asked of them in this for randa's recession. [applae] i will conclude by saying that when i talk about the middle-class, a lot of economists and some of the lit'anbelkutd some of friends eyatht'9, tothe middle-class is alot more that a number. it's a way of life.

it's a value set. it's about b aeoow itendn t 'sutnge ii feghooerur t ark and know they are going to be okay. it's about being able to attend a modern school that i well-equipped and flstfed, e he therrhe reanehd,eya altoon soler ghoo tch t it. [applause] and it's about being able to have the certainty that if your ab o le tthgible,, they will swo egoun urome. ou y ilel ci [applause] la

ouw neh oo midle class that doesn't aspire their child to have a college edcion? e t b dla eibl hyor rean s ug ne ywn woha oo children for help. ladies and gentlemen -- [applause] and one moreh bbl d a t ibyhychwi ebe tou . the neighborhood i was raised in, the neighborhood i was raised in, the neighbors were not po. they were typical middle-class neigorhos bu pth etevi anlurea crid ink of with the relative -- when mike grandmom died my

grandpa move he a st ay tc. bu ynoh wamethgual ou us, they think that somehow we come from that thur s bm llirth r c ve a fortune 500ompany, that our son or daughter can be president or vice president of the united states. i d icest never hadaoa [au t ud es mr faer ved t that my brother jimmy could be a successful businessman. they never had a doubthat my sister valerie could do whatever she wanted. atwheiidcl . mat pbl or

possible for someone to achieve and aain th educators in the united stas of america. yoe s ppe] you are the ones who will equip the next generation. you are the oneswho gve them ho thinos tt g yoethon wir emi sbonsd u yerin high school, when you're in college. [applause] ne of us woulde h llrgnmiche ckl ihoon ree oto as soe ibos. ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gelemen, you know, one of my voriteoo--an hs

atedouucn. heai uio not filling a -- it's lighting a fire. it is not filling pale. it is lighting a fire and you of tsttseeo cae lit 'sdfeeic 's t thamakes you do what you do and the thing that make's everything you do worth while. it doesn'tlways happen, but wh it pp wit pp t i fng ths yohaou iy are so -- so it's time to lit a fire. light a fire nd t we wel st a. ucn. il te dued nati in the world. god bless you all and may god

protect our troops. thank you. [cers d apse [cing]s and applause] nt [applause]

heanpl [ausau [applause] president obama kicked off the campaign bus tour through ohio and pennsylvania.

he began this morning in maumee ohio just outside of tedo cnuna. afoo cgill ivtyiiur you can see that live on a companion network c-span. it will also be on c-span radio and c-an.org starting 2:00.m. easterai mo. >>d ei ateo rto political covering the president's two-day bus tour. what makes ohio and pennsylvania so important to the president campaigned? >> well ceainl o a wigoh so -- but it's also bongut abatndero h

trent administration pushed early in his term. detroit makes the cars butore partfor e veesmde oth anyes sore lf o li tafetani isd houtrrt est toe ting about. >> there is news today that the u.s. will file an unfair trad complaint against china with the ta aohao.taat w tateto s en ainry ilret'st cie trent filing this complaint about the vehicles. like the ones made in a plant ton inttne oo. beal a s t gig this campaign when mitt romney talks about when he is in ohio and it's an

opportity for the president to show that is doinsomethin abouin e ttin ug e ry s. >>le pdeilap is trayd ne j numbers come out tomorrow. isn't there some risk of being a campaign -- campaigning if bad news could eradowsom e enthh si y ? >>s appunfo uec evsithalth care decision came out, he i not doing a victory lap. he is onto something else. morrow the jobs numbers are supposed tcome out 9 gobe ea i thnen afoo whhosig stt low interest bill, so if there is bad news in the morning whi there may well be,obama is in a poonohge wsle eboshi se , s h