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el to t sbu nt wee elrn thovsu eng ernoscup . as you have heardabout the new book "american aey" lofi dyory looking over to hearing about the process of breaking the bo and rche at he t n beginyuot of support, at a community of behind-the-scenes players starting with genealogy a fellowship. kis g: otoy ocr thers mi that was the genesis of this book.

amjal ths e oguio la >> when i set out to do this by embarked fed dive into the first afay d er hry dit a o me golo srt i had two years to write the book. catholic university helped me with a research assistant and of s. w tica hg chen and washington d.c. provided me with the support. of fletcher supprttm in tnd ia donomething aioak gpas ar

back as i could. looking at different periods of history. i looked at eerts to point* me in the rht ct oshaseao ints aro orit they don't come out of the imaginations. the schomburg center and the the mtso >>eshealo l to coespopad er >>t:thchicago library also. i do wan toaea ams plug. [laughter] ournr ear ithorod otboalthve fme. lng anc owau it is in the bibliography. we are represented. tok t tutu chlob ih arrival of all four sets of grandparents. why did yoorgaizet

oka y etdeon why wiee chronology? >> when i started thinking of t structure of the book part of what i dis look fothe ite stornd fatei huht owre s ns with the first african american first lady. but where did itbegan? ditnoel wowru hti would roulette back. -- rolled it back. with the ence l ckyeft le knew give see terato erere. il ie he coistent themes. it strikes me the way you tell the storyese

ad n trie nttis ng or the sexual slave girl. inng of e o cot,rethrs dy ats k existence but about thomas ffndsaav is, ntverse lashits wi / in eved st. ot twoou ismoiflt te ul bad our imaginations with a deeply significant fact reesenting humanit t xtof aie icfr-aca. >> there is a framework people have what he siiayli. fomel is

different. buhscoi on going. >> host: you describe this as a hard history? >> it is hard for people to talk about. a young girl about 15 ing d yidanws ly people don't want to talk out. withthe research, it ws cleait xedeth wh ala sometimes people would rather read look away. conversations with descendantsv i e emimto ertuwew hiy. indesiit nvtiwat . a e rseyid wn to be identified. mrs. obama ash k

bo osl we runs through hurricanes. he said we were all the wrong side of history. she wasnot. itnt thln . >>ott bee codo w distant cousins, one black, one white. they did not know they were related. but a result of reaching out, they assisted. what is their relationship to the bok s:e a coponrrve thstalnatve the book is about the sweep of american histor through onefamily. eswomn ou idfye e st huht it was in the slave owners family. i searcheda many slave owners as a good.

ntd te e n ot. wolwowh alantow. y kne it may not be easy. >> host: have certain members rejecd the r e ldflen naped lbh >>sthre eemixed feelings. some people wanted nothing to do with it. meeoeainue but ngtoe publ. sit history. there were times i was in thatonversation. we are objective and but i remember thinkingll ensla end nd onid away it does make a difference. ihwisrsn tharde e s a divide.

she feltshe was on one side. wa tth >> bint inmehean inorsce telou itsrke the context of the book and the need for untold stories or ah hital licyta bthe subject that is most unknown or easefrm ou ec cioss dohaotut prt future? a larger storyyl uritn f whawe out to live-in. >> guest: i did noink abouit twa tht retier fa a ri st

anto u t with a history. her family had from proceeds the mo important moments. avy yl antimiioim , desi. tes or ambac are reflective of who w e >>t:asong d you think ta smr ecen be yon't have to put into ntext of the individuals. but it seemsurban and southern and northern and intitehht aben auoferesearch? this was much more than you thought? >> i dawa reti besetes as a writer wenou dig this fau 'tth

icoud rihe y tfe atuttend na ifplrehid rng wng d e. iw-line would hav to get contemporarycaracfr al e o bele ofe t host: you did a very good job. [laughter] buyou aiwey hedinane t smehingou re cociouofmath happened, perhaps. we don't know for sure. as a writer you cannot say with certainty. did you struggled with that? >> guest:yes. allot anhere was. ug] whoute different from a newspaper

article. almost everysntencesyspfiy. owh bun t there was of a desireoput yolfa onsos aagn. e owf kng. tharengwwi veow so what i could and could not ay but rn t sta sw makes history history not a social science report. there were some eogp thath ein tharpae have two

unimagined. we want to applaud you to match with the strict adherence. >> sometimes what you ghowa o be ofor instance was michele obama's great-grandmother had a step father. wthary mrs. obama is great on cool saidbause he lost his leg in the war. le i t i d miryor d pen th difi he teg aur] ddoh ? this is the man you thought that was possible. cu ho v st linhew [ht >> host: speaking o war asevidence there is a

betiyia hopefully s maese aded copy. [laughter] i will read this to get you excited but raises the qution certain records may ha sured. oesia, ne mes e v t frame of the tiny threads that bind together. bloomstar e al byin wod ie gganbele le. over time this small intimacy touchedht ancnetian the distancebt rs owwe ss ss tid hnetwth me ahoisd decipher because the

records are contradictory. phoebe was proudade ke ueot ou h tis ti yo discovered where frazier and leaves the a goffwa >> he came from south carolina, the golden o d off to chicago and liance and the deprsion. gomarrd, lo ildr d gsl t. nisteh rihsmal tu separated. no dependents. he had children. >> host: what did you ee whouta >>gu a ar o share. >> host: he altmann lay went back home and rejoined

hil ive le aur] son said he bk. , d ie the ys o theone day he was reading the newspaper in the chair and they never spoke of it. >> host: you mentioned chicago and you mentioned alurs dptswha was so exciting about to chicago? harlem. an audience ull of new rk wws hi? [lht g: hv ias at all. ag is where t as ppeng whe cpe werytoto e ing cere les igs. le aoo f ac e agdfender

encouraged the migration. theyere fo pln estrc log r place a black man could be treated like a man. it asoerga l o rascs. youlvo a iing e of vibrant social life. when michelle obama's ancestors got there, the south de, it looks nothing li it did. her great-grandmother bb arrid10en ws edanyie s:re ie agnanc give then thcultural stor sanona owadecr you say the personnel true passion was the syncated

rhythms that was the soundtrackotou . wanite s hes etpl toin 2t epte tlu du. os g: hony na wth i could quote langston hughes or will we armstrong playing there. h jtofim and this auditorium is named for langston hughes. hepent manaa scurgtrin oral ok he etef ga chicago had a dark side that will chemist -- illustrate part of that part of the history is e racial ene al bs e merosaero ee chicago was not so different after all.

2 k ow stnsxcon as them. remember thrgh t memories of jim crow to show the ectiie f can iou evhihapp n ps nor t oue 0 de mo iorew i e tld and may not think the north ha been a par of the post emancipation story. y eheli ri oese man who was stoned to death after a 13ear-old was murdered eseh roacl i. this is say culminating moment. ut a racially

integrated hyde park but bombs go off two year before? >> guest: it was scatin phoeivn p thasigd mercm t ico mssion study on the race riot. africans aeanr vit a a e ac move thut it wasremarkle. carem howmn w sinme been talking to mrs. obama's relatives ilearned to oebealkeout. t ilncsh cishs erself. she got a pot full of wtr

a hws e. [laughter] but to feeler he. >>t:t des casethme g rstioioe his ib a t rweid co saeop n eb tale of abandonment, early death, of poverty or vince, illiteracy. and occasional sweet of ti tenlycrec uewot . is a hard history. ofheobis de said howotg ? they dreamed. this period of time to let

e liat ss er epe hath mage iz. it was ha. >>t:pr h p*rtyonra llege president the illiterateolge ent aur] thitinir t edg pexassa that it gives the impression it is the usual story.

meth person who wr at ib gs at made your story so rich and envelop thing is we could see the complexities. we did not have to read a tebookoen oatsuh mo coleo if -- complex, and mes m nd that we cannot appreciatthe complexities. >> he arrlyack and ht. no e t g. ie ne i lyte cre . and ll the story that was human. an otlihe

s. a.di ni simple. >> host: to go back. the cattahi threl tli he led living until 91? i will read your description. it d say description ut e ecilsioh f gr 1859. ths eeat o d amazing things th his opportunity.

there is lot i ar ct thor whsuact e adusodshs can exploit. news say he is a ladies' man? with piercing brown ys ad ndavesa a a ecofen moamanfinwee arpp fre and rejoiced when slavery ended with th mad wied hm meede a ho kept him at a careful distance s born a slave to teenage girl and a man whos identity hmay ve ner kn thng obigh abtu t rts ra al the significant and nufacturing in hstory n alit

iznnbo ghuthe time he shows up it is stirring best ds adb what canuso bigh >>sthe did not want to be a sharecropper. early on was not segregated. but he has white neighbors dsne wan t kerkcot sobu oy. >>hs:anddos. is anmang chracter and becomes one of the most di rivha you

find peoplewh ewlp al houlu e bo ewmn h asn sly 1844. that was possibleea id 9. esopiv long life. unimagined wilneed thse ledatl fi? atwhatechs li a bird teen-agers at the time she was in her nineties. that is not what they were inrested in. but whershe worked as a if ekndlh those who had a complicated lationship. osth quon

>> i wonder with dolphus personal narrative and describing thetry e skol tt bs e rm acpoil? het period o identify a ratio heritage was respica wtdy wrao how skin color matters. hav a dt onct cnoe di co but to that simply does not matter because idid say by nearly. but there is the validity of the ratio -- racial radar ththdmo.

and to a sign more of value. ak f le assume what had hapened to based on dolphus. if you reooki mee haenis wit thou a ea artherof mumgratn and we think of thdiui ri b en a 5 io categors. >> skip gates asssted 13dieda mixed-race. it makes me wonderwh

extent they knew better? thate still attaed will tegoes omaty t stmea hv suthontt n. the criminal-justice system. tewrl d uc w ve a criminal-justice system tt targets young black men. e vdt somebody like dolphus ext. eyldre lie. i went to finish with the language of jim crow. mm o e

n'lkut there is the tremendous achievement. udsrns ous fp ca before 50 afan americanvit l itndteic itthwe pd thtundmu ansock wi progress? >> guest: i was looking for michelle obama's ancestors o or. o hestpron t i was then the newberry library. stedoso book

and ioedjus. myh is from north carolina. there he was. my great great great grandfathe 40 years old registered to vo to. o iheo ko t nt of people seizing hold of democrywud n o him nd cre >> it reminds us ht en we think fe ntar wmoin st rl dest to lar erf gbak america today. if you believe there is ree u to prt when the challenges o the

demise nwk e ere imw. sld vigilant. >> guest: what surprised -- inspired me i said to much about striving. bupoto hts d thstyul h the second point* he th a maph mrbr 1835. ese theis

usiherehe obs nt ch i tef isno rct sitear merry and this gentleman born about one year apart. a mississippi ar h w noite1870's senses as 35 year-old s part of the trackmlam tt d ad o a childnar this since this record the last name is that the top and you see the household. you see the whit farmera beisanac n e nr he is three. thhiheshnw the has a son eugene.

ategisare grat ro m rat eaanhes itssppan gour aur] sodoeis emblematic and we do share thisay wt ts ha rdaat we might tell our children ofti comftaa g: hota ou. i h tlkut the reverberations are many. i domca maybe i put to t much emphasis of dialogue but i thk itps hopentert inice a'milyay rng insttho.

[applause] >> h nt our rn an wham question? but lease not both. the microphone is open. keep it brief. i want to make a comment question. [laughter] >> of course. thi is rtakinge otevel wanou kn, n udha edd c dn l o e f 'spe t -- yesterday.

the franc and shelter in the bronxndf't gac imgog os b ald tohe dnt thrsomear needed a lateass. i want to know, when you have stuff like this and i'm not going to a buddy down club holeeore p hi s rev th t tvatirmy you get the picture. so how do we o pe t iol om up th el t. an noio puon the nose. can we do something here to maxxam and more people who want to ce ohe begenaled ey ndar t ppe] >> i would say, first of all thank you for comin thank u foromg. e] an c'thass bu don't know. >> i just say that we liven a punitive this -- a punitive society. thincentive hath ieun tou b a endre w orin ialin coun i you think that people get

what they deserveheav aatioor yiondst the world live in, especially when it comes to history that implicates the socty aut indu sopp ylsei m yaith i that they might not ever know which is how difficult it to participate in for likehigi your sua thyor giha r aenon. >> i wanted thank you for writing such a wonderful book writg it inhe ha n readtutm atou dan wng thy y d. it focuses in on the struggles of our people aer e ththou wa oeiscussion about losing their rights that we at it seemst we're gng thh tli

n th v stes have enacted photo id loss on the prexthayry rohe ver rls te. do you seehat we need to be as strong as our anctors in seeing clearly t exot b as ros ten rsnuring and keeping the rights that we have gained from the 60's on. e'be q a ds vigorouslyooking intohese ieeleoo int s orfu tnk weften talk about the civil rights movement in particular because it's more reason. back to of those people w aelofthe 's ''shohi tt w do t be vigilant in democracy always about our rights posted a sense.

i think it mte w comel aee. spe mhtay we t tha mht cal a third reconstruction. haou wngbo. the douglas narrative. the second one is my freedom as lhato c ofveasnak fran we just wouldn't discuss it. that's my first question. the second one is, what is the emisof yr bks i creursmr yecaual iings jefferson's story and made a novel from it. ir w y tohe m >>isto. nonfictiontedo b toistol on onw. hnoeaha iknhaot

considered a crime to rape a black woman. that i know. i was not -- i have not heard about that. and the premif eook alas ttehe sry f lamaner anry a bld kean s doing tell us a little bit about ourselves. >> we can talk aft. gh t y h anrrco m apee ouyour book. i learned from don davis. >> wonderful. >> your editor. a iad toodf inhema to step into the race. and athe point at which mich obama wherehe w a rn sud bam k tak necasoi a wi e. i was -- i interviewed her. we have a half-hour. and the last question is alws, henythg y wt el sh s. apewk. ianomca waowe see groupon interviewed my mother and friends. because of what u have done.

rlmohan a powerful in clear and grounded. so great that you created this book to tell thi incredibl ory i' wshenoll thto be w eangt? >> some of it was new terror. a lot of it was new. weadrien an are the yo tesut mvi rk. at t t s haeafhe she didn't know and a family long suspected that there was ancery at somhe ay tht dnoe ics. many people to know the particulars. >> thank you. thank you. >>ustike thaou ain foheidof b icmenthe en would suggest evidence that i would refer to my the laws that are on theooksgainst m rrs,f w ggto t i meg w coccreas happening with back and.

otherwise there would not have been a nee for the loss the you ve oheoovehe egrent ngroccri falymo >> this is not my area of expertise, but there are people oavkedtatnships e rat peleivnd h a feve white man trying to pass on propertynd possessoam gg tohat. i tre was some of that. the extent to which can't. >> guest. >> dli bfonxt oerfi as 1670 law in virginia to prevent cohabitation between a man of afran scom anes- cte pris baulary s w bomet atoi they're was tremendous fluidly. they're was a lot of unity based on terieofen se a ela rins thatly

edot ierracial cohabitation a to some extt iaf u'relyht woh pemt atar as sveed inheidm already people of like mind they find each other. itthem of aic th plees to ve - iotro. that expression of humanity goes back to the very beginning. >> well, if therere notny otrue - r y c-o ar y v ey'trr t microphone, but will take your question. >> to you aue qstn] f atueio knoificma er tom before? >> is talking about lavinia, the two people m t quti was asleba or sve pe wne veeid sh meet them before she died comanche did not. >> i wanted to question for a

foll-up by qstion was ised earlier at heen tir thisookre un her position on the writing of this book which has been a very public thing in your * comsted behin it anenof ormiema aoe't know. so press accounts suggest that she hasot fully eraced this investigation. ando ionw t okoury ecsavei on ae mbce er as she called you? have you received an e-mail, telegram? tyo t t dys oen cl ma rorrstht rur. ha aicofot participating in books and that is a blanket policy which is sad for all of us who are writing and. during the proce ih r f k ofatei ang. an bore am o i gave copies to staff. she has also seen the book to reha s tnk d kn w irimet yrs n atout wiint. aur] [applause]

>> f morfoiovisit thoffisi chelns. >>ok t rento jefferso city, missouri, with local cable partner media we spoke to a local author clarence yh low. s bk, smallrortveus g rn t ak h sia prtev >> good evening. here in california in the primary tomorrow people have the rare and no doubt pleasing opportunity to vote their taxes down theolicians at p t mh d m osio isal an ibsutat ban on how much property tax they can charge homeowners. thoughto be as much a vot nsigsi w wh gomes s ast er >> 2rs h crngesrorty nois ce f the people to say something about it. >> kind of like a boston tea party, bute areayin we h had heer ha taoo t s mion esssmt crs duinhero ta. california other states, florida, texas always been subject to land boo bn

970's p ine. snow,es went up. a peculiar bill the property x is t ort ttis snd 's aax onc le t ies soertaatief people elderly homeowners could own a 30lhse a prtx ut nove anom to pay it. they could be retired living on a fixed income and have to pay the property tax bl out of theryll fede. d om c tdit ton w,at on rieeor elderly homeowners and one not but that was in response to this crisis of people being properly riutco p a bng ab t p troy bis es y koue ay them. if you don't, the government has official powers. they can come ind seize the er, ic f inme. thenistirl foin bills. >> to start with the property tax has been the way

that local government services have been funded police, fire crealy eand hoan svi clg e. th hee the largest train. all levels of education k through the cuny college. e education sector is in. co ae e or vere preraxavonut de pcuwaheo up is what is most upsetting to people because most people are really upset about the assessmentystemchce aln a measesheroy y . d wate ination, which there has been over the pt decade what happen iplecidat thav btse f $10. l sn or 5000inaply. well the property tax is according to the -- according to value. theinute thealue of your house goes out asssm go i t t s r ppey- skoc bse property values skyrocket. an usually property values skyrocketing are a good thing. you y, w tsoon ou g vatut uuyealsi.

gey ngrorty values are a very, very good thing except when it comes to pay your tax then the pip has tod. p hher t b usrtvalues are going up. >> has anyone ever tried to fight this tax before? >> well, that i the whole story e mem ves ug lnges hor cif y' werely issues field, people love the will to pay their bills people that don't have a very high income pele thatretruging , kn s hoermo me ai tcall tir savings and end up accumulating money wealth. it would be taxed bld aihen'av g jo tt pple working class neighborhoods particularly hit. that it will t til wutaned a lfeo d'teaze thatubn unesur ie they're are organized. they're are homeowners organizations. in these of the organization's th

pitt evly p oet tht ti po get tax reduction initiatives on the ballot in california and later in other states. the initial grievances me. it v slles mod-buss deymo ddor-css homeowners. but the wealthy have a very unique and vantage. they are very good organizing erydak coecon the gtieing l p influence in government. it's a kind of power that poor people don't have. sohahe memer ist rdoeffti er telse rmaron re wthhi just as long as the protest was marginal, but to really succeed you had to have upper-midd-class communities inlv and tere axrort. e were going up. so they were hit by this as well businesses were, you know, hit by tax bills as well. so when trope so p c property related businesses,

hotels apartment owners are people that, you know, our businesses are very landed sense ofropedepm reheol g memel wey mers arovided a ready-made. if you think about some of these interest groups, reelers aptment owners versy,l ze y thao th zo arod aave to go through local government. they're familiar with local governnts. so the movement coud succeed with these folks p ofutoof t sitias stc the relief from the people that really needed it i.e. the peop that couldot pay t rl wkingla merse let lylde rom b nobeald p kif locus of relief, and this tends to happenn all tax protest mements, it really shifts to th peoplt thy a y owe v vy hh ra u thmeng with capital gains income tax the tax relief in sub being targeted to the very wealthy even though thenay

m ro memn t cons oar mi-class people that are being hit by taxes. it is that factor in order to succeed you go through this t i naly, v edetor se. esale tin tci bak kwh do. and unfortunately some of these movements you know, middlelass peopleot heam -- didot h ng as the elite leaders. and so the whole program shifts. they dget som relief b t es riefigst ice, twohi y k goo bin. and t revenues were reduced tremendously. itauprms carnout unof cts. liforntredce opion 13 which reduced everything. public education has deteriorated. k-12, universities community eg se tavy, v rong syson st ranked the top of the count. then a fallen down.

they're not the bottom to becae the money isn't there. theey i'the rtaro h kiofdethco in f w eli a ndan the money isn't there. thespeople are underserved. so it's really a tragedy of it uou auamitehe prtyer i yo jt did only that and didn't reducfor the taxes for business california other stat thawenthiou stle y ce pu serce ddlaeoee. many educational services. in the police and fire protection. and right now the steau t lgeaxs f sies services for the small homeowners for middle-class people are being cut back. police and fire ing t b anllecsey uncey eel. you see this time and time again. you see this from the income tax yes. dllassksit ie csut f thary, ptila al gnsaxti

inheritance tax, all of this goes to not only the 1% but half of, younoten heer sce alt and in government if you buildhose folks out who really don't need it because they do have the me to p. or peoe,er, ey d't t i pe tncto 'sy'ich. they don need it. because all the relief went to those folks government arvied rnme nocalevyoes tame . teachers, you know, libraries. teachers fired. at the end of the year many, many teachers laidff tthr in joa t erres nto tght 't tre. the middle class has to learn what it's interest really is. very very complicated because you don't see costf education an tti, very important to the overall standard of living, housing and health care, these things are ver very expensi

but very bsico