thisviyo loss. there is no glory without suffering. and i won out one more to that list. thers no honor without corgeetwe thing that can turn this country back to the way we think it out to be. and that's the messa we want to get out. do the right thing for the do rig t fou duty. lean into the pavement just go do it. don't be afraid to do it. just do it will all be proud of you. we are all hungry for that kind of leadership. well, tonight i nto tnk wao yo inyour

efforts to spread that my sage. for the pows we know that our message was returned with honor. thstor o eccai ho at returned with honor has always been a great inspiration for me. thank you for tt honor and that honor, let'sitit o amanie aca ltfol of us. lead with honor. lead with honor. that may get thamessage in her mind, thisountry will return adw e esgry faith. god bless you all and thank you for being here. [applause]

we have several pows oihtwt to m edcome down. exaggerate thna whs the other one ee e' jerry. come on. i'll take their pictures. [alause] >> gn ot. >> look right here at me.

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>> now we hear from former governor of pennsylvania and mayor of philadelphia, ed rendell. he agrees many politicians re worki for constituents. his o s "a nao ths t ou long. [applause] >> thank you. hello, vre. ppse k alryry much. the library runs a tight ship,

so we've got to stay on schele. that was great. a little lheing ur o eulogy, bu wtif. prcited very much. i want to just quickly recognize to people here before get into the gist of what i want to say about the book. one isn't mitch rendell, who as you kn ae-- ppe] it was a great partner in what we did an accomplished is a great first lady and it's so much to promote the deepm henu tarwh s uturnaround of the city of philadelphia. after nothing to do so of these other "wall street journal" from 10 days ago or two weeks ago they did a wondful piece on philadelphia and the vibnt city is becoming they profiled

an ceverd ey did it through midges eyes and shoes caught a cold trce. i'm t sure if that's a dictionary word, that neither buiinticification. word, niche deserves it and she did a great job for all of us. [applause] i want to recognize my frend, lu catch in the front row. the reason i want to recognize isaue' t ot ethhi i this book is the same way it. first i wanted to give people an idea about how public service, cligadouhaatings that little ent bki exhilarating. it's fun, wacky, and incredible

up-and-down road. there are frustrations and challenges built-in, but it's a woerful way to live your life and i hope the number on b woma people laugh and make people, particularly young people think more kindly about public service. one of the things that is stressful to me as my life has gone on this see whatte ai eptaks o oent e. it's good government of bad government. good government spending and that wasteful government spending. so why wanted to have fun with the book and show the human side of the great political leadrs sts t idclinn, which i want to tell you. shortly after president clinton got elected and sworn into office, dated a fund raiser for the democratic national committee in new york. speak ani cupro is going to adiaheite

en and it was cohosted by a man by the name of bruce or ann lewis katz. and they decided -- at about the decision-making process was, that bruce ratner wou hae the honor ntrngest. ouel eon tredce atner. is there waiting to go wand, he goes every president clinton and they were good friends. he'd been a big help to the president and said mr. president, we do me a favr? ile uce is speaking,an soin m ear. pe and the president says well, what do you want wanted to whisper? is that it doesn't matter. just whisper and i'll be nodding. [laughte president clinton sayshy do you m do at? coy ths bua 12 billion owners in the audience who had a parking concessions and if they think i'm giving you advice by nding

when you are talking to me, hious saabitg hire me prkin so they go outside. wis speaks and introduces bruce ratner. preside con dtifuyng in s , d is iles here. while he is listening, luis is not a very sagacious latecomer likee's giving the president advice. but president clinton whispered in lewises here was katz, you're broke out. gh but the taglin as it did the job in seven out of those 12 billion owners hired kenny parkin thereafter. well, the second reason i wrote thbookas a mo us as bve cryin

trouble. you don't need me here to tell you that. we are in trouble because of the paralysis come in the failure to act. and by the way we focus on washgton d.c., but that'ot very mh different in albany, sacrto sbrg ngd. paisanship has risen to such a evel that it doesn't look like we can do anything. we can't get out of our own way. and it's got to change. ere's many reasons for it but ex h e s somethe stronges very strong and thoughtful leaders afraid of their base. the republicans are afraid of the tea party and theradical ght d tshld bfraid of it. benualst to a tea party candidate. one of the great senators in my lifetime, one of the great senators, richard lugar lost to a guy who appears to be in the

cell. i don't nw [laughter] arsbethcl. sidhday after he beat luke or the price asked him how in fact are we going to do this at both sites don't get along? are you willing to compromise? is absolutely. the democrats should adopt their positions. whh t e heg the candidate for the senate in indiana who would've been crushed by richard lugar said they had th democrats take back the feet as we did in delare can you imagine mike castleostol castle is a great governor of delaware, a great congressman, a tue moderate, had conservative fiscal issues. it's a terrific public servant. atos dw as t tc se --

[laughter] took some courses in witchcraft. i me, absolutely tunning. it's hardly etter on our side either. 's hdlttn ie ebu og democrats, most of them lost in the 2010 election, but the remaining few blue dog democrat lost in the recent primary, including the pennsylvanian by the name of tm holden who represents -- at celpnlia area and was a conservative democrat, but a good conservative democrat, somebody was careful about sending you could tak to any lost or challenger from the latch becae redistricted in the city of scraton an we thlsa rgressive candidate. if you may say that's good. i'm a progressive. i want more progressive caidates. was one f the few people in

washington who cld speak to the otheran aosda on have political dialogue. but on a substantive dialogue. all we do is ash each other. and worse still, we don't have the social dialogue that used to tio'neilannaran.ether. d edd n ac all of that is gone. lewis and i were talking at dinner about a good friend of ours, tom daschle. he was the democratic majority leader inthe senate. i can say without fr of pe iee met in politics. one of the most genuine honest, decent wonderful guys. but he was defeated in the 2004 senate election and lost by one percentage point. heost ner. chovasngbe nuar 7. in january 3rd they had a special senate testimonial

session to tom daschle. it wasn't in session. there is no moral cal lyr bl sor owp. tdatc eh is as nice a person you'd ever meet. accommodating. only four had the courage to even show up and the prevailing fell who beat richard lugar id hxre right of the republican party doesn't want them talking to democrats, doesn't want them compromising. but the bulk of us in the middle do. and one of the problems facing anaistkk rdothis plrati catesial i esplinto extreme of doing anything that strays away from the most strict ideology. so, let's examine for a minute the number oneproblem facing thnmer pem

t- i hto t onmovi again. in the long-term to get the economy back on track and get the country back on track, we have to get rid of the deficit. the deficit is approaching ifo teurulonho you clcu. s iln. fe d have been thinkable five years ago, but it's here and something we've got to deal with. si n vedybody knows there isno ower nle anery s onay rengdo i sr everybody to take a hit. so our guys -- are biased show a lack of confidence and afear of the very impornt part of our sederi. gurenghao an as y, we're going to do something about bending. and the money and spending is

not in the domestic programs. it's in thentitlement programs. the entlement prramse ner t toopththe derai social security was passed under fdr in the 40s. medicare waspassed under lyndon johnson in the 60s and the 40s thereafter shut vicms he was 67 and the 60s o other sites pectoee 7. daf ac 6ou agfepectancy is 85 years. programs were never meant -- by the way, i have a story in the book. president clinton had a fundraiser saidthaaotr s owut e y therlixpnc was 82 if you reach 65. ..

>> by the way, seniors aren't stupid. they're very smart. they're the most literate portion of our electorate. they undetand ey understand. maybe tergr t prt or t,t t on rublican side of the equation, they've got to get over their fear of grover norquist. how many people in the auence do not know who grover norquist is? raise yourands if you've never gr nis a iet. ,th mterful man in the country today. why do i say that? well, he's the one who has this organization that forces people to sign no-tax, no-revenue

pledges. matyve sd, 4menrehan a nars -- enough to stop any legislation from occurring by filibuster -- have also signed. so grover norquist controls the country. heliterally controls the cotry. dve nisnoay anything wrong with being small, but he's a little guy who looks like the nerd in college -- [laughter] and iwould anticipate if he was behind a curtain, he would be exactly like the wizard of oz. [lghter] nobody everoted gover rq, dy veim y onbe t powerful, and he's a fraud. but he's a fraud that controls soimpactfully that when t corn and three other republicans signed the sowlepagng renbyimin xoolerover norquist

said you violate your pledge, because eliminating a tax loophole is the equivalent of raising taxes. and tom coburn, who i probabl disagree with on 70% of stuff, as an-. tov uioic it. to stick it. [laughter] and unless we get more people willing to do that, we're never going changement -- change. so what can we do, where can we go? well, if you think aything's g toapp beten and fionin nbeou crazy. but after november for the two-and-a-half months of the lame duck session and for the first two and a half months o the new session ibelie we have a -mon wndow d liinthe- nde t d some form of simpson-bowles. we have to end up that five months having a plan in place that over the next ten years eliminates the federal deaf situate -- deficit.

secondly, we have to have a thoehi tmolnct o home grown energy. if we could keep 80% of our energy needs here in america, or even if you include america and canada, it woulddo so muchor ourco, so muorr j ou rot, would do so much for everything. we've got to get together and compromise on an energy independence bill. that means we make the production tax credits permanent for wind and solar, but we also logudanof nuclear facilities on existing sites. it means we have to do everhing. because ev if you don't agree that we should expand nuclear, we're not going to get the votes to do wind and solar without i i tke the most important lessons anyone in

politics could learn comes from rock and roll. and it's from the rolling stones. you can't always get what you want. [lghter] penocsuld beless one for ifoua,ou what you need. and that's the truth, ladies and gentlemen. so we've got to do that, we've got to embark on a ten-year infrastructure rebuilding program for this couny. our infrasucture is falling apart. oubl styis jeopardized, our quality of life is in trouble, and our economic competitiveness is getting beat up badly. there's something called metallurgical coal. 's very valule because it's the food stock for the odon ookch in turn is the food stock for the oduction of steel. china is producing steel at a huge rate, and they don't have metallurgicaloal. it's only found in australia and st j lwe are.

there's very little difference between the labor rates, the benefits and salaries for coal miners in austria than there is ithe u.s. but australian coal is about 40% cheaper for chi than our coal . d oatos lin caoft tato get the coal from the coal mines in australia, the coal mines in the u.s. to the port cities. freight, we used to have the best freight network in e world. but do you knothatt tak e at me ghai gom angeles to the western edge of the chicago rail yards as it takes for that freight train to get from the western edge of the chicago rail yards to the sterndge of t chicago rail rds? 's ulilet e h. 'votto invest an additional $200 billion a year for the next ten years on our

infrastructure. we need it desperately. every group that's looked at it says wneed it. and the good ne is every $1 exs,du 25,000 jobs. well-paying, american jobs. if you do the math, $200 billion of additional infrastructure spending would create fe miionews ndve fhet sound like a good idea? [applause] jobs that pay about $70,000 a year in overtime? absolutely and the cbo, a very conservative organization, has recommended sat beti b tadditional1 tax revenue it produces and the economic benefits it would produce. as well. so there are answers to the questions. it's not rocket science. it's a qstion of political will, ande nd bchf

nehoheexrent is, president obama or governor romney, to be willing to lead, to be willing to own these compromises, to be willing to say to the legislature we're going to dotuff that's going to set this country o the ph anery'in h rtwhe d but we're going to do it together. that's what real executive leadership is about. and if the prident-elect or the president next january does i'lo on one optimistich note. 150 senators and congressmen sent the supercommittee that was task with finding a way to get $1.9 trillion out of the deficit, they senthe noeryi r you to do something big, we urge you to do something that takes five, six, seven trillion dollars out

of the defit, and we will stand behind the tough choices that you have to make. th e35 ren aor to but with good presidential leadership, that 135 can become 300, and we can see the light at the d of the tunnel. we've got to become non-wusses, so g tenp and butts about it. lely questions. you can ask me about anything. if you've read a little bit of the book and you want to ask me about some of the funny stories, i love the funny stories that are in the book. i thk i can delve into all of them with thepossle cen,geasayn rrf taste. [laughter] she often isn't around, so i violate that rule. do you think i can tell the swiftie sty in public? >> heavs no. >> all right. [laughter] so t is a chaer ced [lteveno

er s a iftie, the democratic donkey, who was the mascot for the dnc that was given to us by the boilermakers union, and swiftie was -- >> i sd you coun't tell it. >> noiont lheay b sie [laughter] was one of the things in my time as chairman of the democratic party, it was of one of the issues that i handled absolutely brilliantly. [laughter] so you'll have to read about it. are we ready for questions? we're ready. [applause] pl, serst aisurha a question because we have a lot of them, i see. gentleman on the right here in the green srt. >> something eisenhower mentioned in 1952 washe miliry industrial complex you haven't mentioned the bureaucracy heity th s so powerful today. >> you're absolutely right. and let me stop you because i forgot. normally when i talk about the things we have to do to get

straight fiscally, one of them is reduce our military spending. not counting the wars in afghanistan and ,esp bon a year. $700 billion a year on military. i will give two tickets to anybody for the next 76ersorld chamonship gam-- oh ye of little faith. [laughter] sixers had a good year this year. to anybody who can get this question right. who is the second biggest spender among the nations ofhe world s and how much do they spend? and no one who w atn c ertuen us i tthsw ghter] anybody? >> on military spending? >> military spending, second in theworld. >> china. >> all right, china -- no, china. how mch does chinand s70 bon wchsh spend?

>> [inaudible] >> 50 what? million? no, youmean billion? one-tenth of what we spend. chwhfo u. inven more din military spending do not pay together, do not spend together the $700 billion that we spend. stunning. there's no doubt we have to cut significantly t of the military budget as wll. >> mentioned, you talked,ir out sort of the polarization in the electoral or, i guess, political realm. i believe california today talked about using an open pre mntl n an effort to try a centrist, you know, results. what do you think of tha approach? >> good idea. just for the -- i'm sure most of you know what the questioner wa

talking aut. but many states, the majorityf atinin psyia ws cd a c primary. so if you want to vote in the democratic primary for president, you have to be registered democrat. if you're an independent, you're t of luck. if you're republican or green party member, you're out of luck. onlyemoctsn v foheepca primary. other states like michigan, for example, have an open primary system so that all you have to do is show up on primary day, ove you're a registered voter -- which is now in most stat gettingiculousl rd -utve'r dee h aru to vote for, and you go to that machine. and the benefit of having an open primary is it reduces the power that that small, core, avid base hs. so let's assum in mhigaor plelmian cagoor rey to michigan, let's assume that

pennsylvania primary would have meant something, and we had an open primary. well, instead of the small, core tea party republicans who might have had a very significant di tine he ar y deenote and decrats vote, you get a more moderate, centrist electorate. the demographics of the electorate is more derate and more centrist. so i think it's a good idea. and think anythin at ur torncge vngis desperately important. the tragedy of what -- and i'm going to say this, and most of you know i try to stay away from partisanship. but the tragedy that most republican legislatures and republican governorre idfionaw fiofe r re's no discernible problem. in my eight years as governor of pennsylvania including two presidential elections where we were one of the three or four most important states in the union, theres le than five

exampl of someovo ur ls . tfimp e years when 30 million votes were cast. we need to have early voting. we need to have mail voting by right. you don't need to be sick or out of the county. need to do everything we can moeootasfo mean, think about philadelphia, for example. in the 2008 election, we had a great turnout in philadelphia. 65% of our registere voter voted. phel. 600,000 vos were ca in , h 1.5 million people give or take, we have about 300,000 children that are under the age, so we had 1.2 million rebeer thedoters -- registered vots. ofhaou900 stered. so right away 25% of the eligible voter pool aren't even

registered. of that group another 300,000 didn't vote. so 600,00 voted out of a potentialoter pool of 1. io d w re turnout election. and we're trying to make it harder to vote? rely? makes no sense. >> right here in th front row, gentleman and then the lady to s t. wd eua t cr cdatefor attorney general's chances for election and use for a broader perspective on why the democrats in pennsylvania -- in philadelphia have failed to really devop extensive female >>thelatwo kaening is our candidate r attorney general. she did a very impressive job in the primary beating patrick murphy who was a very good candidate. we had two good candidates for a change. kathleen has a good chance boed a s.s aprut,

people in the state make a mistake of thinking the attorney general prosecutes murders, rapes, burgries, robberies and the like. they don't. the only crime tt they prosecute other than corruption crimes are dg cmes. ey lyci ,vi rights work, a whole slew of other things. but the public has always beeved that's what the torney general does, and republicans have always run former das a have been very successful. ehe aorney sn ecemt n elective office, no democrat's er won in pennsylvania. kathleen has a od chance. if president obama ws, i don't see a s y kn wre th ls. thshnel an why we don't have more women in politics, simply because it's been an all-boys' network,

number one, and, number two, politics has become such a rty,ard, dfi bes atsfft ra odeo m oma d our capital is in harrisburg not lik in massachusetts where the capital's in boston, it is very difficult to get smart, able, professional women who are good community organizers willing to end grea io tei soisryve ic we'te cture, but it's starting to change. we're starting to see terrific people. in the senator tore y'all district that'senator bue's county in reading, we jst elon who c o 10,000 friends, a environmental group. extraordinary candidate for that district, and she'll do an extraordinary job. so we're starting to elect, that's the good news. and thbad nws, connie will re of

serse had in harrisburg. we're starting to get better, but it's awfully slow. >> lady right here in the black. >> so if you were major o philadelphia -- mayor of philadphiaoday, what would [lterstgy >> to resign. [laughter] no. that question buzz asked by albert martinez who was great secretary of t deparent of welfare. m ing refrn fm g bsebvlyis te p o wev um, and i don't want anything i say to reflect on mayor nutter. i think the mayor's doing a good job under very difficult circumstances. [applaus >> gtl o tisre dn ladac ovr, emasiz t importance of presidential leadership in resolving the, in taking advantage of the opportunity you see afr the election.

could you give us your appraisal of psident obama's leadership upo now? >> eryhehest nty,ldgi everne a appraisal of president obama's leadership, because i said it will take strong presidential leadership to forge that compromise. um, it's getting bett. and by that i mean present a cfr eusy legislative background. and we bring to every job, every position, every relationship we bring our prior history. and his prior history was exclusively legislative. so wn he deee a ulil eti id, turned it over to the congress and said to harry reid and nancy pelosi, write a bill. here are the general guidelines i want you to follow. and they wrote bill that was somewherbetween gosh awful and poor. usey i of inhaer sl pra at were very good programs

that on their own you would have approved of them, but they weren't job creating. and they allowed the republicans to make fun of the stimulus out of the gate. y urai tirinri y know? money for the national endowment of the humanities. all things that are good. money for swimming pools in public hoing authority developmts. all things whh m he nehaoukn on bd th but that weren't job producing. and stimulus became a dirty word. even though the stimulus worked, folks. according tohe cbo, the stimulus prevented our unemployment rate from being one wohaeethit thin employment is several million lost jobs. so itorked, and he never got the cred for it. i want a show of hands, and i want you to answer this question

honestly even though an honest [lteer may make y lokup. wy you know, how many of you think-- honest answer -- th in president obama's stimulus bill you got a tax c if you rned less than $2,000? joe, youa mmoh at e rn ofr s [lte no, i'm kidding. if you earned less than $250,000, did you get a tax cut from the stimulus program? well, raise your hand. don't just say yes. all right. abou40% ofyoua taou here -- by the fact you're here talking about a book, this is a very well-read audience. my guess is if we went in the streets of philadelphia and asked a thousand people that, no more than 30 or 40 would say evne. epent e thbe communicator in the history of political campaigns

talk to the american people about what was in stimulus. people think food stamps was a welfare program whe we raised the stipend for food stamps. qutiticty n becae it has to be spent in the months that the stamps are given out. and if we add $40 to a family's stipend, that's spent at a local supearket. cko er ane g enita al re. same thing happened with health care. the american people are convinced that health care will contribute to a significant increase in the federal deficit. notwithstanding the fact that the cbo s tt ov sethxtrshe dehe cp w diminish the federal deficit by over a trillion dollars. over a trillion dollars. >> why can't the >> lady in blue -- sir, you've got to wait and rse your hand. lady in the blue on the aisle

ere. yavca od hiid t r yno ? actually, i have. they were over there. [laughter] >> i promise you you'll answer answer -- i'll answer your qution before -- it m b md y- imi. ha lin campaign finance, and how would you try to reform it in the climate that we're psently in? >> good question. let me start out by saying although i do believe i'm a non-wuss politician, and remember you'r loking at soe seax, snd ghinenvas orisst yr as governor, all the other governors were smart enough when they raised taxes to do it in their second term when they didn't have to run again. [laughter] you're looking at someone who took on the municil union in philadelphiahen i n for -eiollr u orth rli r henbe. you're looking at someone who as district attorney indicted the

policeman who beat up delbert africa, arguably the most hated person in philadel hiy. th, ssuton- i vril juncture. in 2004, and i'll get back to your question. in 2004 i tued down a request by the legislature for a terrible pay raise bill. ju it was ib prathemoth were asking for was too much, and i got into a lot of trouble. i actually was almost struck by a senator in arguments we were having. in 2005 they came back again with a similar version of the coic cedt j t my staff convinced me that if we did sign it, they probably wouldn't do anything for me in my remaining five years as governor. they wouldn't approve any major initiatives. and there was so much i wanted to do for energy, for sptiorltca

atail ag that i panicked, and i signed a health care bill that -- i mean, a health care bill, a pay raise bill that was atrocious. ironical, i escapedany of the blame for that. they didn't, a manyf lost tir ti taert bor the esteem that citizens held the government in, it was bad in every way, spe or form. and i shouldn't have done it. i should have called their bluff, and i don't think ty would havestonalleeor nossavss mnt u know? [laughter] none of us are 100% non-wusses, and none of us are 100% wusses. so having said that, your original question was? oh, aboutampgn nance thsws, ery t shibot. it is stunning, the influence of money in politics, special interests in politics.

and with citizenned united -- cizens united, which i believe thprcoin mg wor sif ti- la s has said you have to go back to dred scott to find a decision as bad. with citizens unit the floodgat have opened, and noly its edo ggac ow t limits off corporate contributions and individual contributions, but it makes it very hard to find out who's givinghat before the election occurs. it's disastrous on so many diffent fronts. to tinth do edelson is going to give $100 million to help defeat president obama is absolutely stunning. it's absolutely stunning. that one person can do that legally, absolutely stunning. we have to make changes, but in light of the court'sci i tiun, ton

ev co s and the constitution. and it would be what's called the 28th amendment. if any of you watch dylan rat michigan on msnbcn the tr tar sor bvong and what we do is define, take political contributions out of the definition of free speech. and we can only do that by institutional amendment. [applause] and we can and we should do it. and remember, the tea party movement started because they moouols.get tinncof ecert' their whole raise son debt refor screwing up the plaza. [laughter] you know? and what makes me mad about the occupiers is they never found a positive cause to channel their can u imine t rt ahe oie adopted amending the institution to take the influence of money out of politics, what a powerful force that would be?

you'd have state legislators quaking in their boots, quaking in theirt illthit be. n lerndve t t us the alternative to go on like we're doing is frightening. >> gentleman off here to our right. >> oh, you wussed out. is that the guy -- [laughter] >> i'm being polite. mawto ode t- i tuy gave you trouble? you wussed out? you should have at least made him wait two or three questions. [laughter] take the microphone away from him. no, i'm only kidding. i'm only kiddin go ahead, sir. >> can i tow? [lte illke to know what it takes to get the democrats in washington to blow their own horn. i mean, what is preventing them from getting off their ass and llinevod h 'vne wl eydo wanhe that?

[applause] >> very good question. can you get a copy of the book from mike? there is ahapter in the book that i eitle"s ndere th rtos " and by stand and defend i mean just what you're saying. you did stuff as a congressman, as a senator, as a governor, as a state legislator. you did stuff. talk about it. don't run ay fm it 2ouueog ln, basically, obamacare or, you know, the affordable health care act. well, by 2010 the oy parts of that bill that had gone into effect were things that polls showed the public loved. for or2ughe le dnu hhe prescription drug coverage. for young people you could not disqualify somebody 25 years of age or less o had a pre-existing illness. they had to becoveredand

to b a althe an by a health care company. your under 26-year-old son or daughter could be automatically covered by a health care plan if they didn't have coverage of their own. the health care companies couldn't put a yearly capr a lifetiapthamou of raheve. emee or less, if they offered health care to their employees got a 35% tax credit. those are all good things. if i had voted for that bill rather than hiding from it, i would have been out ther screin a a g doyoket? n'u this? what's wrong with that? i would have stood and defended. they ran thinking somehow that if they didn't say anything, people would forgetthey ved for it, which i characterize in the book as aost as stupid as re'sonanin cagnpeou ft are was bill clinton's vice president. [laughter]

a brilliant move. we ought to defend what we believ in. and the other part of that, there are some thin worth losing for, absutely. [iib] ec trechf scared bunny rabbits. they're scared. and they don't giveus the credit for the intelligence that we have. you know? no one stands up to the nra poule they think the nra's raremetade i by 12%, 10% and 21%. if the nra was more powerful, i wouldn't be here, i wouldn't have written a book, and you'd be home watching television. [laugh thonis ton ths sfac al bt' pack mentality that leads to courageous action, it's a pack mentality that leads to wussiness, unfortunaly. but go ba to there are some thingsworth risking for. we youofyou read wn yo

ur teo f gerald kennedy, aka ted sorenson? [laughter] and by the way, i wrote every word of this book. [lauter] [applause] and i have, and i wrote it in prvehe lanh iomeone on my case anybody thought i didn't write all of it. but if you read it, it reads like i speak, so you won't have any doubt that i wrote it. [lauter] but if you don't believe there's pe, the allprofiles in coure." bo he nf rd whid when he cast a vote not to impeach andrew johnson, he was a republican, and he voted not to impeach andrew johnson. he said i knew i w looking and he and every other republican that voted not guilty lost.

but they stood for something. they stood for something. and there are things like integrity and things like bringing health care llamanat h if're oho b d yost because you voted for health care, darn it, you lost bringing 31 million americans health care that they didn't have before. to me, that means you had a great career, a great caree even if you served for two yes. soe'veot to ck, uen at oueeom ahe way in the back? >> yeah. we are all going all the way in the back. gentleman in the middle? >> thank you, governor. righnow there's a revolt in the dmocratic party. leliouf abi inn criticizing president obama for the commercial on bain capital. why are you doinghis when the stakes a so high?

ndefoleh balancing the budget onbacks of seniors -- on the backs of seniors who worked all their lives? >> two good questions. i thought -- i'll answer them both, i'll try to be quick. prenba cal wuall dde ide h every right to explore bain capital was governor romney gives that as the main reason why he's going to be able to create jobs. so we should look at bain capital to s if they actually did create mre jobs than they closed down, t shoai why lawa wth part of the ad that said he was a vampire. that was as bad as governor perry saying what was it he called it, vulture capitalism. you don't win frids by using names like that. cln y sy, ail 'sin be for barack obama in october when it counts. and because he said nice tngs about romney this time people

are going to remember that and say, well, bill clinton's telling me the truth because he didn't trash the otheruy. i soroe l idi t ian u itndre w a fellow by the name of ed gilmore, former republican party chairman, who was on. and the night before on tv he had graded president obama and gave him an fn every category. and i hathe chance to questn hi a s, , u t lyieth, he said, yes, i do. and i said, no, you don't. he sai yes, i do. i said, no, you don't. he said, yes, i do. i said, no, you don't. [lauter] because eloses all iby. dyoi t listen to him ever again. you're going to give president obama an f on foreign pocy? an f for what he did in libya? an f for the incredible things wee been ab to do in otr anyose a y

credibility. so by criticizing the president for the tone of the ads on bain capital, we enhance our credibility with those undecided voters when we say good things abt president obama. thdgn ksfbcia point. senior citizens, we're balancing the budget on everybody's back. because the rich people in this country are going to have to pay more taxes. so we're going to balance the budget out of their pocket to an anouw,heplho tsi i st eygotoseth subsidies. so we're balancing the budget on their backs. and, yes, we're going to take some of the benefits from the entitlement program, but not the oneshat are most central to the core of what we do. so toint is einut pbu weint the pain evenly. and if we don't mete out the pain evenly, wre never going to get this done. understand the republicans will

not vote to raise revenue ever unless we vote to make changes inenemen pam rs tasct ensgoing to come up tomorrow. and if we don't want to deal with that, if we want to hold the line and preserve every benefit, then we're going to go to hell in a hand basket. >> we can'to to helln a hand bask. [lteghereuon >> what are your views on the current war on women, and what is the rionale behind it from people who are waging such war, if you belie there is a war meouheiowe ea i a, in they're so afraid of their base that everything they do is to appease their base. i mean, the war on women is ridiculous. the most telling example of it was what they did on the i mean, i nainst women act. autu d er i i thought

women in this country were infinitely smarter than men, particularly when i saw a 20-point gap open up between governor romney who's the unfortunatel-- no, unfortately, he has to be the piofubn buat h narrowed dramatically, and i wonder what's wrong. do we have that short a memory? i mean, it is decidedly war on women, on women's ability to live indendently, to make their ownhs. it ishking to me,and s kio haen h redemoggiv than they have. now, maybe they will by the end of the election, but it is shocking to me. and it is sheer stupidity on the part of the republicans. sometimes i think they wer elong los this cayoul h ri iytt u dnavsced i any better. before we close, and that was the last question? i want to give you a sense -- because we are here to sell books -- [laughter] i want to give you a sensehat although we've discussed a lot

of heavy and important top ghhaer alo fun and stories that are in the book. and so i'm going to tell you this swiftie story. no, no, no, no. [laughter] ll tell you, there's a chapter where i say honesty isn't the best policy, a at's bcause ov theco ive en in trouble by answering questions too honestly and not having a filter. it's gote in trouble on the e hand, but it's, i think, one of the reasons midge always used to say how amazing it is that in is c tca ou pu l f 34 years, i'm still fairly popular. and i think it's, i think it's because -- [applause] i think it'secause, you know, i'velways told you the truth r tter or worse thha toufin morous, but the one i thought you'd enjoy was, of course

everne knows how strongly i was for hillary clinton. not only in the pennsylvania primary, but after that. i became almost the number one spokesman foher on cable tv d even onheome t ay s f t or ict someone in the clinton camign said i was the last of the mowhi cans, myself, that wonderful congresswoman from cleveld who died whose name i'm blanking -- congressman s who ded cei aar ck ntf tta e ie ty much the last of the mohicans talking for hillary. well, hillary went through and conceded the nomination to president obama in the rst saturday in je. and about four days afterwards i was cnn, and i ei an tonio the interview, the interviewee asked, governor, have the obama folks contacted you about possibly being a vice presidential candidate? [laughter] and he said, you're om a key

wilu t lr clinton forces, you would help bring the party, unite the party together again. and i said, no, they haven't. and to be honest, i think they haveo intention of picki toeho, ire thepi presidential candidate, i wouldn't pick me to be vice president. [laughter] but then i couldn't resist, and midge always used to say that i have a lot of imp or little boy in the me. couldn't resi, i sod, oeove side, we'd be a great balanced ticket because i wear a flag pin, and he doesn't. this was in the time when senator obama was getting all sorts ofrief for not wearing a flag pin. at 2ceon ,ndoff the airt:3 it was david axlerod from chicago. [laughter] and david said i hope you know

that not one person here in icago thought that was funny. [laughter] guot ae humor, or you'll never make it to november. well, let the record show they never got sense of humor, but they made it to november jst fine. [laughter] thank you all. [applause] kt has over 150,000 twitter followers. follow booktv on twitter to get publishing news, scheduling updates, author information and talk directly with autho during our life pogramming. itcook >> italian-born economist luigi zingales warns that the u.s. economy is becoming a mirror of italy's econy under the leadership of