they've been through jail, a life, look what i have accomplished? i graduated from college. most did not graduate high-school. my wife is in the film talking how she teaches you can tell about my enthusiasm for the program. >>host: to have a follow-up for "the making of modern economics"? >>guest: another book? i'd just completed a book called the maxim's of wall street the first

compilations of cell in may and go away. warren buffett is quoted more they and anybody else. i am working on a book called the spirit of 1776. all of the events that took place internationally. thomas paine common sense sense, the wealth of nations , decline and fall of the roman empire, the declaration of independence. books and articles, the first major steam engine engine, david hume, the father philosopher of the amendment died, george washington crossing the

delaware. not just washington. fight them working on backed as well as a few other projects. i love books, teaching, and freedomfest. i can see what is happening in the world. >>host: we have been talking with mark skousen at freedomfest his book "the making of modern economics" the lives and ideas of the great thinkers." thank you for being on booktv. >>host: the book currently on your erse screen several

weeks on "the new york times" new york best seller list ed klein it is our guest and the title is the amateur. where did you get to the title? >> the president august 2011 invited his wife, daughter chelsea and friends to meet with him. he had then a secret poll that showed it hillary clinton vin would challenge obama for the nomination in 2012 he thought she could win and she was surprised. she said how could i do this? i have lunch with the man

every thursday. what about loyalty? he said there is no word of loyalty in politics. he said the people around, do not understand the real world. they were responsible for losing aaa credit rating for the first time and obama was in his words, "the amateur." i spoke to two people at that meeting. >>host: the president has denied publicly that term. >>guest: hillary has told her friends she suspected that chelsea told me about this. that is not true but apparently she has a reputation for texting

friends in the middle of meetings with her parents. it was a confirmation the meeting took place and it was an accurate representation. >>host: you also talk about chelsea clinton's reaction to the presidential primary. >> chelsea and her father are very close. the democratic nomination bosses stolen that she deserved it. and obama's had unfairly cat -- characterized her her father as a racist during the campaign. she really wanted her mother to challenge obama's to run for president. >>host: part of precedence

amateurs? >>guest: most of them. not eisenhower. he understood how to be a manager and executive. not when did johnson. he could not give a good speech and did not speak well to the telex -- teleprompter. >> he understood human nature the strength and weaknesses obama's not seem to have that skills that. to have human nature do what he wants to get done.

this is my 11th book. eight nonfiction. >>host: what you say to your critics? >>host: some of the criticisms of the accuracy of your stories. >>guest: there has not been a single fact that has been challenged in incredible way. the kids in the schoolyard call all sorts of names but with the credibility of my reporting nobody laid of glove on the head. i was there 12 years. at the "new york times." 80 fair has one of the most

rigorous fact checking departments. follow these but not a single there has been found. >> jeremiah wright to was on the record we sat down for three hours. with a tape recorder and it was an amazing experience. i imagined him to be bombastic. with america and white people. very polite and courteous to

speak then the modulated voice. i must say during the three hours i believe his story. >>host: where is he now? >> he feels hurt and bitter he was thrown under the bus on the campaign he felt he had a special relationship that went on 23 years. to think he owned a new through sitting in a pew and listening to the sermon, of

in fact, they add a one-on-one relationship meeting hundreds of times in rare brand right this home. every step of his career he went to him for counsel and political direction. a relationship that was closer than any in his life. with the exception of michelle obama. >> des as he have any contacts? >> no. the reverend wright told me he sent him a note to congratulating him achieving him on his ambition. he gave it to a neighbor to

hand deliver the he does not know if it ever was. >>host: who is steve rogers? >> a professor at the kellogg school of management at northwest university. >>host: what was his connection and? >> like many business leaders, he was an early backer and a supporter of obama. after he lost a congressional primary to a former black panther, he was deeply in debt looking for

people to donate money to his cause. he gave him $6,000 to pay off his debt. he promised he would visit his students rogers never heard of him. and he said i am to busy. i am getting calls from warren buffett, of bill gates and steve jobs. that you are not supposed to

believe that? >> he demanded that he showed up. sunday with businessmen end those were there for him on day number one. supporting, organizing, and the lack of sense of obligation only african-americans and never got the phone calls

returned. it was so proven free than frozen out of the white house. caroline kennedy. on and on. and did not know anything back in return. >> what about to michelle obama's? >> i love that picture of her. she is very attractive. with both had her on the cover the first lady the world has been waiting for. she has no interest in politics, she does not like

it and is not want to be involved. issuance to raise children, take care of president and work with him and abc campaign but i turned up of very different profile. zero will men grew up where her father was a political operative of the day the machine in chicago. and weaned on politics as a child of marital domino wing of his political ambitions and has been his most important political partner every step of his campaign, presidency and has influence in his decision making process. >>host: ed klein we have

heard michelle did not want him to run for office. >> rehab heard that story. it is a great story. a woman that does not seem to have any ambition. but that is not the michelle obama i found the interviewing close friends then to be first lady. well educated, well spoken but also has a reputation of a comfortable lifestyle.

going on in many vacations many are quite controversial to the ski slopes out west and spent 42 days on vacation living the life of a pampered woman and fits with her personality. >>host: use of the clintons were above board that hillary was equal partner the obama's has been careful to hide the fact michelle is the most important political adviser and listens to her for decisions. >>guest: yes.

the way she does that is through her best friend. valerie jarrett. she hired michele many, many years ago from the goodale the administration but she is a person who comes from a well-off african american family. she introduced for the obama's to the power center jewish-american donors and dave political operatives. as a result raised from obscurity now all

socializing rogaine shoulders with the power centers. and then when president of the united states. and she is their godmother now the senior advisor and obama's said i run at all decisions through valerie and trust hurt implicitly. no one has more power than the salary jarret spirit trying to figure out her hold on the president did say famous guessing game.

>> what is bourse source of power? she has no foreign policy experience but it tends national security council experience. no economic background but in the most important domestic meetings regarding the economy. nobody can see the president without going through her. what is the power? the only explanation is she has given in the first lady and president impression she has their back and is protecting them from hostile world that people could not to make proposals.

as an example when the president wanted to do a mandate for religious institutions to provide free health insurance for contraception and abortion build a lead to -- chief of staff brought the catholic archbishop that is no accord no to speak to the president. he was opposed as a catholic. when valerie jarrett heard about it she went ballistic. because they had not asked her permission. suddenly her power of control was challenged. at that point* bailey started to lose his power and he realized he could not

get things done and resigned. >>host: what is them relationship with rahm emanuel? >> not good and is not have good things to say about her. the president going for broke on obamacare. he thought he should do small steps first. valerie jarrett and michelle obama they said listen. valerie calls him barack. the only person who does. but transformation knoll president. midcourse of america.

you have to go for the health care bill to go down in history the first president pass saying the health care bill. this is the beginning of the erosion of power that the president listens to the ideology of valerie jarrett rather than pragmatic advice of rahm emanuel who was forced out by michelle and valerie and he resents that. >>host: edward klein, water your politics? >> i would describe myself right of center.

i am certainly not a liberal. my training lets the fact speak for itself that this country has been drifting in the wrong direction but it should be rite aid. >>host: have your politics changed? >> i think being conservative leaning. but that some social issues i am libertarian. >>host: were you surprised by the findings in your book? >> i live in the york and

went to chicago. maybe my own prejudice, i expected african-americans would unanimously tell me how much they love barack obama. they are both black. what i found the leaders of the african american community, those who wore well educated or concerned about the direction of the country, they were urges pleased and disillusioned. today the national average of unemployment is 8.2% it

is 14.1% in the african-american community. in some areas it could be 40%. they don't feel barack obama adequately addressed his economic policies with those in particular. >>host: you write obama was elected to a job he has little relish. he does not find a joy in being president like nixon and carter he prefers his own company to that of others 81 barack obama in

public comes across like a will, outgoing, of beat. we can see again and again but his polling numbers of job approval he is still well liked in public. that is his performance. with his governance of the country i learned he does not have a skill sets that lyndon johnson and had how to manipulate the levers of power more ronald reagan who gets together with tip o'neill.

how to get a bill passed. barack obama does not know how to do that. and private he is very introverted. >> trying to ignore the ominous tone with the transition team as inauguration drew near her calls went and returned. instead she heard from the new be appointed coordinator who told oprah winfrey she needed to talk to him first. and she had to run the questions passed the deputy speechwriter for prior approval. it was a pain. she does not like have to put up with mid-level

people. >> as a result of her role during said democratic primaries playing of pivotal role to get the nomination away from hillary clinton she would be an important adviser but after he was elected president obama and oprah's spoke at great lengths using hurt for communications strategy with television. when michelle and valerie jarrett to heard about this they thought it was the control over access to the president. they did not like that.

monday one -- went to do the show from the white house michelle held a meeting and said i don't want to some rich fat woman to be the emblem of my entire be city campaign. oprah found out and was furious. michelle does not like rich people. she is not like fat people or waddling around the white house then she washed her hands and has announced she will not campaign for barack obama in 2012 to seven the role of jesse jackson in his early career? >> that was a known.

he is still a highly me guarded figure and when obama ran for the senate he was getting some help regard dain foreign policy issues or domestics policy issues but his oratory needed work. every saturday for a year barack obama was invited to the meeting that jackson held that he worked on his oratory and delivery and improved tremendously. barack obama has not invited

jesse jackson and once. he has completely cut himself off. it appears there would be the object of jackson being in the white house. that it may signal to the white voters to be in jacksons corner and obama does not want to do that. >>host: if he was the brain then he is his homer. >> that is a good line. [laughter] david axelrod is a brilliant

creator so when he ran 2008 to he did not have record to run on but he did have his personal story of black african and white middle american mother. those who saw his identity raised by his saintly grandparents. it is a homemade story because homer was known for taking a trip then come to

an understanding. david axelrod fashioned this story but in 2012 there is no story. we know it is sold. he cannot run on bad again. he does not have a record over the first four years to run on. pointing to liberal causes but in the polls it is not a popular thing to run on. the epic and heroic stories with negative campaigning in 2012 to attack, attack, attack, attack. bit from the four bain

capital, out of touch, it is the very negative campaign and unusual for axelrod. >>host: you write what is true about our president of the most successful ones grow in office can the same be said for barack obama? the answers will strike to clear. i can hear them chanting no-no no. >> look at jfk who came to office clearly a prepared and made many mistakes in the first year like they of p.i.g.s.. is now conceded he had grown

and understood how to deal with congress, military, conflict ing of pfizer's. i don't see this with barack obama. despite he said ed team of rivals. other than hillary clinton he has brought in no one. those i'd like mind include being a woman named samantha power to change for develop an understanding from day

one. >>host: finally, edward klein report came on a meeting with historians at the white house? >> only an office five months in five did liberal historians to have dealt -- general with him. he laid out for them early its wister novice he said he wants to be a transformational president for greater social equality to the united states to

spread the wealth and wanted a corporate system of the economy. vague unions would decide who will win. with a less aggressive role. >> those that accomplish so much with two wars at the time. but obama's said i can do it because i am a special. not those words. a great deal of over self-confidence, hubris, in my view he does not

understand how the world works which makes him a richer. >> it was the new foundation in office. >> ms could win said that is not a good idea. she said it sounds like o woman's girdle to me to seven utah to the historians you went to dinner somewhere outside of the city not to be recognized. >> they were all sworn to secrecy and