is an account people own and control and allows them to manage their own health care dollars and most employers find when they go to a high deductible plan and account for their workers that they cut the overall cost of the plan by 30%. .. with regard to health care legislation that supporters of the current health care bill wouldn't want to make changes.

what are those changes you proceed? >> guest: you've got to give people the opportunity to scale down benefits, higher deductible and if you can't control cost any other way, people are just anti-obamacare legislation has very strange subsidies. the people are going to have to have a family plan that costs $15,000. while that's half their wages. but the new law gives no help to the employees or to the hotel to buyback plan. on the other hand, if the hotel abolishes the insurance plan sends all these employees to the exchange, the get 10,000, $15,000 subsidies to the government. you see businesses all over the country surgery structure and workers lose their job. at some point it'll be a better way than this. >> host: you are speaking here at freedom fest. what's the topic of her talk in

the message you want to get out? >> guest: i'm talking about the book. i'm the one hand your health care is priceless. on the other hand were dealing with the health care system that has no real priceless. no doctor, no patient. that's the problem. you don't see real prices and everybody faces reverse incentives. quality higher, if we want to solve our health care problems, we've got to restore power to the patient and a doctor unless prices more. >> host: have you requested ever going to the doctor for a price list? >> guest: you can't find one. the only place you see real prices in those markets where the insurance companies are. if you are a clinic, cvs pharmacy. if you walk into a normal doctor's office, they don't know what the cost of anything as.

>> host: how do you get to a priceless and how does that benefit the consumer? >> guest: first we have to empower the patient, let them control of our dollars and you get an immediate response from the supply-side adopters start competing on price and policy dispute that and cosmetic surgery in the walk-in clinic. and when you have that, then all of a sudden you find the real price of k. or is going down over time instead of going up. >> host: so is there a government role? had easy to government and health care? do you see the government? >> guest: the government solves most of our problems. we take all the way up to government-subsidized private health insurance come and take all that money, give each of us the same amount of money to purchase health insurance at $2500 for adults, $8000 per family. that is your tax subsidy. you spend additional money after

taxes and treat everybody the same. >> host: what do you mean? >> guest: right now we don't. you get a nice subsidy of your employer provides you with the plan. no tax relief to the purchasing insurance on your own. under obamacare, inequities are even worse. so step one is treat everyone the same. when you buy insurance, no matter who you are, where you get a commie at the same a lot of help from government. >> host: what about insurance companies? what is their role in forming the health care system? >> guest: right now they are big bureaucracies, but they need to be liberated to because we need real insurance. you ought to be a lot of insure against preexisting condition. you do that when you buy life insurance. many get a prostate cancer test and it turns out that for you. you don't pay a higher premium. they don't kick you out of the plan. health insurance is the same way. just

>> host: people off insured health insurance policy to auto insurance policy. can they be the same or similar? >> guest: i wish they were because of the auto casualty insurance you see commercials on tv and they say something bad happens will be there for you. and health care we get exactly the opposite. health insurers don't want anyone but the problem. they run and when you enroll in their plan they have an incentive to wonder provide because they didn't watch it in the first place in a way to go someplace else. we have given insurance companies that incentives to take care of this. >> host: john goodman, when it comes to preexisting conditions, does the government have a role in saying yes you need to ensure preexisting conditions? >> guest: you don't want to join a plan to pay a premium below the cost of your care because the insurance company isn't going to want you and treat you poorly. so what we recommend it's been insured in advanced against

preexisting conditions so if we pay a higher premiums on insurance to pay the higher premium, but also affordable insurance. if you should own your own insurance, give or take it with you from job to job quite >> host: the employer system would not be the system. >> guest: i believe in letting employers do what they choose to do, but let's have a level playing field. right now less in every state make it illegal for the employer to buy for the employees insurance they take with them for the next job. we need to abolish laws, turn it around and encourage affordable insurance. >> host: what is the argument in favor of having it divided by states? >> guest: i can't think of any arguments i find. you are to be able to buy insurance across state lines. you can buy life insurance across state lines, so it's

silliness. the only people it benefits our special or special interest to hack into your health insurance plan, their special coverages and that is not benefiting you, just special interests. >> host: "priceless: curing the healthcare crisis" is a new book. john goodman is the new author. this is booktv. >> 2012 libertarian party gary johnson enjoying gary johnson enjoying the booktv at freedom fest in las vegas to talk about his new book seven principles of good government. this is about 15 minutes. >> on your screen now is the cover of a new book coming out in august 2012, "seven principles of good government" liberty people in politics, written by gary johnson and he is also the libertarian party nominee for president in 2012. governor johnson, when and why

did she leave the republican party and become libertarian? >> guest: i cannot libertarian my entire life. this is kind of coming out of the closet and i don't think i'm unlike most americans. there's a lot more americans in this country that declare themselves libertarian as opposed to voting libertarian. so the pitch i'm trying to make right now is both libertarians would meet just this one time. give me a shout at changing things benefit doesn't work out, you can always return to tierney and argue that is what we have right now. >> host: what are the seven principles of good government you write about? >> guest: one is reality based. just find out what is your decisions and actions i'm not. make sure everybody that knows, they should know what you're doing, and those which are doing so communicate. don't hesitate to deliver bad news. there's always time to fix that

hangs. if you don't have a job you love enough to do, then quit and get what you do love. acknowledge mistakes immediately. there's always time to fix things. there's a couple more in there, but very common sense and i did live my life by these principles. >> are these principles when you are covered here in new mexico. >> guest: always, always. i delivered his state of the state using principles. here's how we conduct ourselves. anyway, very commonsensical. >> host: a few wet, the right role of government, right size of government? >> guest: libertarian philosophy, if you adjust that