in order to avoid publicity but this announcement had produced, so difficult but we are still friends and on the hole was a good thing although neither of them wanted to go into the intelligence services themselves. >> ladies and gentlemen, please thank dame stella rimington. ..

with well-known environmentalists are worried loosed by his father. this is just over an hour. [applause] >> any company you forgot to mention the wonderful sculpture out there. my sangria been made that sculpture hang in there.

well, it was a lot of fun working with usaid pressure. was it as good for you as it was for me? >> it was. >> we've been talking about it for a long time and we finally did it. and you seem to have done it with such joy and such humor and playfulness. usually when it comes to environmental literature, but problems. it sounds like you have fun doing it. >> thank you and i did. it's one of the things they must have learned from my father. one of his complaints was as a set of environment tillis and feminists they don't have a bit of humor. he thought it was just too dismal to having to keep beating people over the head with doom and gloom because that's at environmentalists often do. so he were to in his speech and

books to. >> you seem to have a wonderful night for aphorism. a wonderful, statement made. you know, this is david brower center and everyone in britain is david grauer, just came a sinus. maybe people don't know who david brower assembly had to explain by returning this book and what it means. >> david brower was my father. he was the first executive director of the sierra club in 1952. he became the second full-time employee of the sierra club, one of things that not a bad beard i hadn't quite odd about that considering how big the sierra club is now. it is still a full-time staff worker before you came on in 1862. so it is joining as staff is

still only two. i'm one of the lessons for me is how young this environmental movement is. it hasn't been around that long and it's growing very fast. my father, one of the things that this enforced in him was of a lot of things. no one else to do any work for the sierra club except volunteer board members. so we had to be a publisher. he had to be pamphleteer from a grassroots organizer community lobby in washington. he had to publish books, make movies. i'm doing a book right now for malcolm, which my father filmed in one day like an andy warhol project. >> even over there?

>> e. came up and said the draft dennis gray. in 180 feet is sufficient in the car, randa in the course of this one day. he shot by an the feet of film, which he used every inch of in this film and made a good film because he had to make a good film. and i played it and it's pretty good still. and it's the kind of thing that necessity for society. we did a lot of very well and that was one of the things that this book brought home to me. >> and news executive director of the sierra club for many women to friends of her. people talk about him in terms of the institute, but she talked

about him in terms of the personal effects, more than the institutional effects. it was the power of getting into this guy's personality. when you're with him, you always thought you had to do something. a sense of urgency and you have the power to do it. >> this is something i thought about a lot in the crystal is doing this book for you commit trained to figure where his influence was. and i think at first glance you'd think it was in the organizations. your seven organization. he always felt he needed one. but he really wasn't an organization man. he got in trouble in organizations because he didn't like authority and he didn't like the board of directors telling him what to do. >> no, no. i am shocked. >> and in our book, i compare

him to the cicada, which has a 16 year cycle. in fact, my dad told me about the cicadas 16 year cycle. it's in the ground for 16 years as a pupa and the larva and then it's come out and it's saved. every 16 years he got kicked out of an organization. he finally got the sierra club board so fed up that they kicked him out. in a split his skin and flew off and started another organization after 16 years in the same thing happened there. in a related ibook i didn't quite finish -- i didn't quite finish the metaphor because of course they cicada only does this once. i forgot to say that. my father did it lots of times, at least three times he did it. the other thing is how much noise they cicada makes. so in this sequel, when we've

reassured we can put that stuff in. >> yeah. >> no comeback to finish the organization question from a question meat-eating organization, but he began to be constrained. they always wanted to tell him to slow down. he really thought we were saving the world. he didn't worry about the bottom line. he didn't care for her in the rat. this really worried the board of directors. he said if we do the work, and the money will come in. and the brewers don't like this. so he invented this large-format photographic nature book. it didn't exist before the books illustrated in this series in the exhibit. he ananta levens invented this

idea. no bookseller wanted to think about it. these folks are too big to display. all the messages he got were discouraging messages, but it reduced to 30 bucks ec appear, which brought tens of thousands of members in the sierra club and introduced the greater public to these ideas we talk about in the book. so there were these institutions, the more i think about it, the more i think its real impact was one-on-one. he was a shy guy. he was okay one on three were at a big auditorium. he didn't like the middle range. so it was one on auditorium. he gave us wonderful speech called the sermon at the end of which they would stream down and say sign me up. or it was one anbar. he was famous for closing bars. he could drink everybody under

the table. he said i have a reputation for being able to train, but i could drink my father when i was in my 20s. i remember six by teeny night in new york. six martinis is nothing to him, but was obliterating to me. >> this is a man of her portions, not your ordinary morsel. >> so he would close the bar with the same students at night and listen to them. one of the themes that came out of this book was how well he listened. and dave phillips in this building is one you said you know how empowering that is? one of the guys who came from the editor instead sign me up. he's now running upstairs and musically conservationist. he said coming to you now how empowering that is to have

somebody of that imminence listen to you and want to hear your ideas at two in the morning of her peers in the bar? and didn't phillips case, my father said to him, what to do? he said, well, i guess a dissertation on the ground squirrel. i've done some more with wales and i've been in the caribbean format. my father said we need that. that's just so it's got to have. we need to biological inserts you have in effect to to work for us. this is the kind of thing he did with everybody. >> when dave tells that story in the book he meets the young guys says you've got to work with best. he came over to san francisco and came into the office and dave brower was there no one

else there he was coming and there is no job and he kind of sound that desk. your dad's recruiting strategies were really interesting. this is not the department of human resources. >> it is funny because the late dave tells the story is he's arriving. he thinks he has the job. there is a different understanding mayor. he's screwing up the elevator with dave chapman who ran the international program producers who are you? i'm working for dave broward. he'd heard this before. they find him a desk and figure out a way. kick some speaking engagement money his way and he send their. it works with the cert kind of person. >> the roadkill must have been

amazing. >> there were these amazing accounts were somebody over there and a book and say hey, you, why don't you sit down at the desk you that this is about? no instructions and just put people to work. i guess it worked out sometimes. >> it did. one of the things i learned in this book is like that signed up myself. he would trust anybody into this movement. i was handy. i lived in the same house. he would trust my brother, bob, to do mechanicals. he attracted me as an editor. he elicited mechanicals and so he drafted anybody who came down the street. i used to worry since my career began working about nepotism. my father is the publisher network in these books if that's not very seemly. the first book i did i didn't

want my name on it because i didn't like this. but having done the research i realized he did this with everybody. he was nepotistic to everybody, so i don't feel too bad. amy loves now the great soft energy guru, rocky mountain institute, has a hundred people working for him and he was a don, a young don, a genius of physics at oxford and taking pictures in simpson pictures into geographic, pictures of the mountain wales. he had needs and is taking in the mountains. he said we don't do this kind of thing. but then mr. dave broward. he likes this kind of stuff. it sat in my father's office for a year with no response demand

one day i saw the send command to find him, let's get together. he spent half an hour looking at these pictures and said you're going to write a book for me on the mountains of wales. he said i've never written about. he said you're going to happen now. it's about time you broke one and you're going to lay it out. i don't know how to lay out a boat. he said it's time you learned. and he did and this is the way worked with me. he drafted me out of my freshman year at berkeley, to be away from school and think my academic career to do a book. a book on the big circus and is a successful book. i got back and finished up my sophomore year. he said would you like to go back to the galapagos and spent four months? that are finished her sophomore year. it was not a hard decision. >> a decision he had made that

training -- you know, in the book there's a sense of people of that era, like a metaphor. no institution of environmentalism. there was no laws, environmental impact studies, no endangered species act, no process. just people with a spectacular sense of poetry. her father's use of language was our. it is not science, not politics. it was art. it was tremendously, individually moving, the training that he had done this did not come from the academic world. they came from mountain climbing, campfire stories, some other place.

but he didn't study management. he didn't study how to do this. >> is true. he was an interesting guy. i'm the one hand he was really an original thinker who came up with lots of new status. on the other hand, he was a great absorber. again, he was listening. john's book in the line of my father was on his sermon. a chain of one-liners. it's a wonderful description because my father, he would recognize a good line and soak it up. it was incorporated in a speech in a bison aesthetician and he was very moved by beauty himself and i think that is part of his time in the mountains. he saw, you know, he was a nice addition and beauty of the wilderness was a large part is

it was interesting what you say about all the epa and wilderness stuff we had. of course people in this generation are the ones who got this back. but it's true. i thought a lot about that as a consequence of this book. how changed someone like me who is watching it really are the cradle has seen this huge change in the environmental movement. the early 60s is such a time for us in the movement because we are for the first time getting the feeling we could actually stop some of the state projects. the first one, my father's first big success for stopping a, the first time a group of citizens stepped a big government project. it was a known that we could do

that. it wasn't known. we didn't think we could do that and we found that we could. we got almost a little too big for ourselves. there is a purity backbend in the movement. now these organizations get big. they get big with success, they get a big budget. they need to manage your and so pretty soon because you need to raise funds who of corporate types on the board and it begins to change. the kinds of scandalously panoply of the sierra club and other places, we never have it like that. it's funny for me having to remember those old among environmentalists to hear words like branding, which you hear

now. whew here, how are we going to brand ourselves? it is a corporate term that i don't think it may father's time would ever want to use. it is the language of the opposition. nec with a group of environmentalists now and it's less about issues: the peer with plato or any other issue. it's more about donors and how a 13 year donor needs to be approached differently and stuff that's a little different from the way it used to be. >> i think in terms of breaking environmental organizations to get to bring back inside that. but they are doing is necessary and plugged into the powers of the world. but your dad was in the line of people like john muir, ansel

adams, they created the environmental movement. it got taken over by side taste and policy people, but it's got to be proud back into it all. he talked about exceed. utah about the sermon and people talk about harold krugman in your book talk about your dad is a crusader. to resolve this religious analogy and their. was this a metaphor? was the devil? >> you know, he didn't really have the devil. he definitely had a religion. he spoke of it in terms of religion. he would say if somebody who had the fire, he would say she has the religion. and the family knew what that meant. that person felt this in a very deep way. of course it is a very satisfactory religion of

environmentalism and its practice the way my father did. instead of god, wait. not the sort of figure. last night [laughter] you have creation and god may or may not exist, the creation seems to. and you are defending the beauty of creation and that is a religious calling. any thought of it as ferocious and nicosia realized it when he referred to him and there is a passage in the book when i first read it i was surprised. he said this is like a religion for this guy, broward. i was like yeah. i understood this perfectly well. of course it's like religion.

in the speech he did call the sermon. and so, it it had that kind of passion. >> and mailed life i try to escape religion. the environmental movement has itself into the educational world and this is a failed institution. we don't educate anybody. religion and religious conversions in the things that profoundly moved people and profoundly change them as much as i'm not personally religious, that goes to the soul. it causes sweeping changes in its way of sweeping changes is not going to come by putting things in your great curriculum. it comes from some other place in your dad was on dissent thing. >> used a quote and i forget the priest name. a priest poet says something about it's time to stop reading the bible and start reading the

earth. my father liked that a lot. that is where we've got to do our study. >> you know, your father was so monolithic. a mean comment he the world like a colossus. he was so powerful and inspiring. in the book, you end up interviewing these 20 people and you give these people their full character, their full play. you talk about them, their houses, their libraries, what is in there. they talk about their lives. you newsletters david to other people. there's a portrait of the environmental movement. your father is on the psychic cameo movement. the personality seems to be embedded, even though when he is there he standing. but it seems to be when she were doing the something else.

>> this is not exactly the way i tended to go. i didn't realize the shape it would take, but the moore interview these people, i realized their stories are going to be as important as their fathers. because of what i said about what his influence was spirit not of the organizations, not in the books, but the one-on-one movement so that in the way his legacy. and since he often did 12 years, i wanted to talk about the ongoing myth that what he did in its incarnations of these people. on fluid to diane -- all influenced by him and their characters were at least as important as his. i'm had it worked out that way. he is interesting.

you said it earlier. in a way he encapsulated the movement, the modern movement and a little bit the way they talk about how capacity recapitulates the history -- he reflects the history of the movement. he did influence. i mean, he originates a lot of the stuff that's done. you can actually extending the life of the growth of this movement. >> e-mail, i've always wondered what it would be like to have a father like figure broward. i assume that would take you 10 years of therapy to get over it. but you seem to be approaching this with such ease and and such collegiality. that's a remarkable compliment

to you and your father in that relationship. it just seems to be so easy and so affectionate. >> it was a question that is always fast growing up for the whole duration was do you feel shattered by her father? is peculiar that i never did. something about the way he did it did not make me feel that i was in a shadow. i never felt that way. part of it is i grew up in berkeley in the 60s. it is a time when you're supposed to rebel against her parents because they are fuddy-duddies and of another age. he was more radical than anyone around and of course he was right. he was right about what the planet was. he saw what was going on.

he was very eloquent guy and made a case for it. couldn't disagree with him. i would love to put on -- everyone was wearing army fatigues jackie's strength of the like lenin and i wasn't interested because there is a really radical in the family, a guy who really want to change the way things were done on the planet. so it was hard to disagree with him. >> usually people that want to change the planet also want to change you. it doesn't seem to be the case. he seemed to have let people be themselves and encourage people to flow around the room terms. >> one of his guests was to give young people the ball and get out of the way. and not even with very much support. he would get them going. a number of interviewees in the

books at this. he wasn't going to follow up, but he was good at launching. >> maybe tom turner wants to say something. tom was interviewed in the book and tom is -- do you knew david from the time you were born. born in berkeley and was editor and three just days and if the environmental movement has these marvelous stones. for years, time is spend the port that held them together. do you want to talk a little bit? you can stand up. stand up at the pulpit. >> well, it's great to hear all this staff. thank you very much for this book. if some of you may know, i actually got a deal at at the university of california press

to do an autobiography of dave broward that's going to take me a lot longer than i realized, but this book i'm going to steal from shamelessly because there's wonderful stuff in there that will fit quite nicely. in fact, the amount of material that i have to go through scares me all the time. i mean, it's wonderful to couple hundred boxes of papers and letters and journals and put being and all sorts of things at the bancroft library. the sierra club did oral histories of many of the old timers coming days contemporaries than older ones in younger run. not modern so much, but there's two or three dozen oral histories and everybody innocent thing to say about broward and

these oral histories. so, it is a great honor and privilege in very enjoyable for me to do this. and it's keeping me busy. i'll have something to work on for a long time yet. what he wanted to say? >> tele salé story. -- tell us all a story. [laughter] >> i can tell a parallel story to what ken said about dave phillips, which is a really do not. almost the same thing. dave had been in seattle talking and closed a bar and one of the people helping and closed the bar was a young fellow named chris condon who worked on a newspaper called the northwest passage, which was equivalent to the big guardian that they are,

weekly paper. and we had produced three issues of a little newsletter right at the beginning of friends of the earth because there were two parallel organizations working together. the john mayer institute and friends of the earth. and so, friends of the earth was about a year old at this time i think. and chris condon, and got after dave inside, you have to have a proper newspaper. you know, there's plenty of news cheroot port and they said they'd call and a good base for something like that in this movement. and dave thought that was a terrific idea and encouraged him. and so about a week later maybe or two, david never said anything about this to us in the office. they were all but three people

in the office i think then. so i am sitting at the desk and this kid walks in the front door and says hi, i am chris condon and dave brower is heard me to start a newspaper for friends at the earth and it just rented the space it "rolling stone." can you give me a check for $5000? and i said no, i don't have any checks. i don't know you from adam. if i had $5000 i wouldn't give it to you anyway. we were living hand to mouth. david givens money so we could buy stationery and pens once in a while. so in the end though, this god a fire lit under everybody and we started this paper within a couple of nuns and we did it within the office. chris had to break his deal with "rolling stone" whatever that

might have been. we were in the fire has gerrymander jewish year from soon i hope. so chris was there to be the first production manager and he was a catastrophe. he lasted one issue -- two issues i guess and was let go and bob brower was hired to take his place into the layouts. so there is dave brower on at the non-impulse once again. >> that's the problem is human resurfacing. he could really luck out, that he could also bomb in his judgment. >> he had home runs much more often than anybody has any right to expect or even hoped for. i could keep you here for two

weeks telling brower stories than i am learning a lot from all of this stuff, all this research. maybe i'll try to be quick about went fairly famous story. you may all know it and some of you may not. one of my famous lines from some testimony he gave before a house committee in about 53 or four other dinosaur that had alluded to before. as ken said, it was a very small group, this environmental movement, conservation movement in those days. there was people from the wilderness society, the national parks association was influential and prominent and the izaak walton league.

anyway, they were feeding about these two dams. in fact they were proposed for the dinosaur national monument, which was part of the national park system. national monuments for the famous parks except for their made by presidents rather than congress. is that the bureau of reclamation have the proposal built these dams in their in the sierra club and others were fighting partly on the principle that this is nothing that should have been inciting national park. the pearly thinking about how, you know, but their justifications they were getting for this project legitimate. said dave dug into all these studies and calculations in things that would be in computer projections now and staff and was all being done by hand and.

then he started to find some numbers that just didn't add up right. and the main problem was calculating the lost to evaporation and see page which they called bank storage thinking they can get it back same day, which doesn't have been. between constructing these two reservoirs and fiddling with some of the other dams that were proposed and in fact raising the level of the dams downstream at grand canyon, which is another whole story. but if you base that a certain amount, you would in crease water capacity and that's at the dinosaur dance would be necessary. so broward wrote the testimony and sappy for hostile interior company and one of the congressman named into his

microphone instead, mr. brower, are you an engineer? and he said no, sir, i am an editor. and that to encapsulate quite a lot about dave. he went on to explain to an editor at the university of california press just on the way in fact very near to where we are, the original price i think in those days anyway, he explained that you are trained to be skeptical into the precise spot in a manuscript and try to find the weaknesses and asked the questions and point out the contradictions and so on, all trying to make it better. i mean, they are not trained to fight with the authors, which are trained to help the authors and tighten up their story. he did that about everything. he wouldn't take steps at face

value. he wanted to investigate and understand and analyze and see if what was being sold was the whole story. this broadened. it started as dams and stuff and move to the supersonic transport. when we got kicked out of the sierra club and started friends of years, the today's broadened rapidly in sort of pushed their horizons at the environmental movement wider at nuclear power can't be examined and found wanting and you can go on and on and on about all these things. but he it was days endless curiosity and interest. and as ken said he would absorb things. he thought a lot of stuff for

himself, but he paid to many, many come in many ideas from people and repeated insult them and refined then. >> the family story is the evaporation. he said i got some bad figures in the evaporation numbers. and my mother says so in come up david, he's got a testify to this. don't make a fool to yourself. they have slide rulings. so my father goes back anyway. he doesn't listen to his wife and he leaves into the mic and says you're the admin and you are questioning the figures of the bureau recommendation quakes and the father says i finished in eighth grade and i know my not. and he did. he beat them every black board tool over several days and the fact that the salt lake paper

award at the bureau to for screwing around with the numbers. [laughter] [applause] >> as you're talking about all the mistakes that dave made, ernest hallenbeck who died recently once is talking about a study in the people who look at successful individuals and wonder what made them successful. i don't believe much of the studies, but it's something that you seem is when people look at what their lives were like, whether they were the first her second born or had a wealthy father or domineering mother or good first grade teacher, nothing can out. the one thing that handout with successful people make mistakes

than unsuccessful people. there's something about the fear of making mistakes. he didn't seem to be afraid of making a mistake. the more mistakes you make him the more you get done, which is why i get a tremendous amount done. [laughter] jerry, do you want to say something? this is gerrymander. [applause] i guess everybody knows chary. he wrote in the absence of the sacred. a new book out called s. papers. he runs the national global foreign -- >> international forum on globalization. >> say that again. >> international forum on globalization. >> i like my mistakes. he is a madman, doing advertisements and working with dave on the most famous, we

flood the sistine chapel to get closer to the ceiling. advertising is connect in which you had to say with people's interests, with people's souls and chary has used his so well for the good of us all. take it away, jerry. >> tanks, malcolm. i didn't know you're going to try to save capitalism tonight. or advertising. i went to congratulate you, cannot miss the. it's really a marvelous but. i have read it already. i got a lot out of it. it's extremely interesting and a great. i'm looking forward to tom's book, too. one of the things this guy was driving over here tonight, as in a terrible traffic jam, which is via the sleep. it's wonderful now people are talking about dave brower. you are opening up the subject again.

this new film, green ears fire, the documentary which includes the early part of the movement in the 1950s of an 18 and develops the environmental movement in this area and in the country and spent a lot of time on dave brower and it's very wonderful. when i think of dave brower, i think he is a hero aspect secular proportions. he is the martin luther king of the environmental movement if you can make an analogy. he is the -- he propelled -- he changed the environmental movement. it is the conservation movement before that, which is a perfectly good term. he propelled that to become -- he even talked about that from the change from companions on the trail to citing that this,

people who would lie down in front of things and do things and really seek to create a new consciousness in the country and a much tougher kind of way of battling on these issues. he was inspirational in that way. i was thinking, you know, in those states in the early 60s rachel carson. but we also had dave brower. i feel like david brower could change the world in many ways. and yes a changed people, including myself. as one of the things i'm grateful about because i was in the advertising business when i met dave. i met him because he came to chat to us about doing advertising. i had never met him before that. i just joined with howard gossage, this famous advertising

guide in economy and me and said there's a guy named dave brower who wants to come in and talking about saving grand canyon. so we met with days. and dave really didn't take us for a talent for turned out. your nitpick just because he liked the typeface we used in our ad. we had a very old-fashioned style of advertising and we believe in people reading and you could really change people more by getting them to think and be logical about their approach is and he really loved that because we have so much to say we all had so much to say and he is so much to say. he said we did not bother to read the ads because he would the ads. [laughter] i said i don't know about that. so we had these fights. but one of these great things about davis how much of the time

we spent fighting with them. i spent a lot of time fighting with him. but, and i think ken said this earlier. he would at some point say okay, let's do it that way. he was always willing to try it out. if you can't win the argument, no trail at the other thing and see if it works. on his first day he came in with the text instead sadness to retype it rendered "the new york times." and we said no, we don't like your copy. it's not good. and he said, so in those days they had a thing where you can commit "the new york times" and a lot of big national newspapers in those days it gave you a deal, where if you had two competing versions of an ad and you wanted to know which is better you could run one ad on one hit of the paper and the next ad on the other ahead of the paper. so to each got other at.

so it's a complete equal display. so we had this competition and we won by two to one in terms of our text versus his text. and he was just joyful about that because it meant he could just come over and talk about his radical ideas that we could translate them. and from then on be a great time although we always thought. but he got me so into this subject. working with him under grand canyon and the redwood park and north cascades and later on the sst campaign and the antiwar ads that he wanted to do and things like that, which no one else in the environmental movement was ever interested in doing. i just learned so much and it changed me from an advertising guy. i mean, i have a masters degree in commercial advertising as

well as economics and he helped me understand what was happening in the world just by hanging out with him. usually it was over six martinis is a very minor. he would start drinking at 6:00 in go until midnight. it would only make them smarter and smarter and more weight. he tried to stay with them to get the benefit of that. one night at the biltmore hotel in new york i remember particularly learning. it was an epiphany for me because he started talking about, this must've been after the seventh martini. i only had to. he started talking about the loss of a sense of wildness, the loss of a sense of our relationship to nature, the loss of the sense that that is really

the root of the problem, that we need to somehow recover that again. we need to get people to understand that. and then he started talking about the experience of commie he said there was a fire. in those days there was a fireplace in that room and he said the experience of sitting and looking at this fire, we have to relive the experience is exactly the same experience as human beings had two dozen years ago or 5000 years ago for a gas 10,000 years ago. he said we are experiencing exactly what they experienced except theirs is in another kind of context and ours is out of context and so it's hard for us to understand that. but to me that was like a wake up and a way of looking at the world of the relationships in

nature as a visceral, that we are part of the integrated quality of our relationship to nature. and i think that really changed my life. i think that evening, that evening at drinking probably changed my life within any single thing and he probably changed my life more than any single person or certainly one of the top two or three in my life that made me change and walk through the rest of the next 40 years, 50 years, you know, with a different worldview. i am eternally grateful to him for that. to me, he needs to really be. the soviets he changed me, he also changed the world. he changes individuals and he also impacts the world and a very important way.

and while i was sitting here listening to can, i just thought to myself about what he brought that i could just shut down, what he brought to the movement in the time that i knew him. back in those days, in the 60s he was talking about growth, the impossibility of growth. which is, at the second world war and everyone is excited because the gm he was increasing so rapidly. he said this is crazy. we can't keep growing. this is a limited planet yet this is 1960. 1962 was when i met him. he said this is impossible. so he was talking loudly about growth in those days and no one else is talking about that. it was like he was like rachel carson was the problem of too

much interference in nature, but dave brower was arguing to fight the battle against growth then. i take it he was doing that in the 50s before i even knew him talking about that. the famous club of rome report about the mr. grote didn't come out until 10 years later and that was credited with being this flashy big challenge to growth. of course just now and 2012, people are seriously trying to organize around the questions of growth. he was talking in the 60s and got kind of shut down though, even at the sierra club. let's not talk about growth. but stuck the state in this place and place. he was talking about wildness. wildness is another thing that was not being really -- it was being lost. it was being lost sight of the

mix of discussion. it was all about economics. he wanted to do and add on earth national park, the idea in the area where we started to space travel. he said this is absurd. we have one home and this is our home and we have two relate to this home. and so, let's do an ad called earth national park, the concept being this is the one place in the universe we are connected to and we are related to and we have to realize that. and we did that. and of course that's the ad that got him fired from the sierra club because he never told us he did not permission from the board, so we did the ad and he got fired. and then we moved on but friends of the earth.

and also another concept is nature comes first. nature has fallen so far back in the list of priorities. am i talking too long? >> god no. >> nature comes first. nature is the primary value. you have to get that straight and you have to relate claim to nature in an integrated way or the rest of the dignity is unrooted and less likely to succeed. and as i think i mentioned earlier, he wanted to take on -- i guess tom mentioned also that he wanted a broadened discussion his idea of an environmental movement included opposing war. you know, we ran a marvelous act together and he tried to run a campaign on the whole idea of

ford and what a problem that was and how obstructive it is and how it changes the character of the world and so on. and he was the first major environmentalist certainly who wanted to say that social justice cannot be chucked out of the discussion either an issue about two to issues like war, even issues like poverty and issues like social justice has got to be part of the discussion or you are battling for the environment is not going to succeed because you need to relate to the realities of the full picture. there are many other -- there are many other common as tom said you could go on all night. the book has a million stories like that from the various people that had interviewed. and i just ate bad my one real

messages we need to celebrate. we have a hero and the environmental movement right now is lacking, i would say, certainly a charismatic -- there's plenty fantastic people in the environmental movement. dave sorted single-handedly carried the movement out of the self-interested doldrums you might say for lack of a better term and exploded it on the scene, made it a powerful force. now is a good time for that to happen again because we are about to all died on the excesses on the planet. but we need dave brower back. i think you are useful to celebrate his way as one way is maybe learning how to get back to that kind of aggressive

campaigning. so congratulations so much. thank you. [applause] >> i was so moving. that was just so beautiful. he met the arch druid and you got converted. it is a religious experience. hey, why do we take a few comments or questions from people and then we can celebrate dave's second favorite entries with wine in the other room. >> was actually filming tonight, so could you speak into the microphone. >> this is being filmed by c-span. >> i'll be around if you just your hand. >> well, we can celebrate by going to the berkeley city council on tuesday night and

helping them decide to go to close down these rotten nuclear plants that we have in california. they are going to vote on that on tuesday night. there'll be a rally at 6:00 and 7:00 is there meaning. 2134 of martin luther king. i think that is really any interest at dave's legacy and i feel like a continuation of days. my name is louise dunlap. i am not the one who worked for her friends of the earth, but another one strongly influenced by dave when i was a teenager and in my 20s and you can see that i'm carrying it forward. so i have some flyers about this meeting and not give it to people afterwards. thank you. >> thank you. [applause] >> anyone else?

.. i think the locomotive -- that was how we started and that is what he cared about most but what he didn't count on was he was quick to get these other issues that were correctly

regarded as environmental. pollution, pesticide, non proliferation, he was very quick -- he brought a lot of teams into this movement and this was one of them. people like michael abelman who was mentored, smart farming, he was interested in all these things, all these aspects. >> this is your exercise program. >> the young people. i wonder if you have a

20-year-old, the new millennial, are they embracing the same view or a different view? do you have a read on the real young people? there is something new and exciting they are doing. i wonder if you might have an insight, how tracks with your viewing of the movement from its beginnings. how has it changed at all? >> a lot of young people doing great stuff. one of the things that might bother my father right now is the resurgence of love of technology. we are getting enamored of it all over again. there was a period in the 60s when we were rightly suspicious of technology and recognizing how much harm it was causing the

world. it is so spectacular i think the younger generation is swept away and there's a lot of talk about how cellphones are going to bring us all together and solve environmental problems. there is the school thought that technology is going to be the solution than a lot of people by the. people talk about gee and engineering as a way of stopping global warming. ludicrous schemes that get treated seriously. i did a piece in the atlantic on freeman dyson who believes in this kind of thing. that somehow technology somehow will find our way out of this through technology. this was always a problem that technology -- it seems like that misapprehensions is growing again. we won't solve it by technology.

olive really does is get us in deeper and we just have to completely change our way of looking at growth and what success means and what the ornaments of success are and how we consume and all technology will do is put off the moment we face that reality. >> let me get off that one. one of the forces behind this book is -- there is the growing use awards and if we want to see young people that will knock you through a loop, spectacular work to break your heart and make you cry go to one of those huge awards. october 23rd. >> the process of evaluating

candidates and honor young, bold leaders age 13 to 22. >> can people here this? stick a microphone in front. >> it is one of the aspects of dave's power and influence and legacy, that we continue. i was fortunate as a young man in my early 20s toomey dave when i worked at sierra club and he always had -- he drew young people for them and listened to young people. i feel really touched by that legacy and honored to carry that on and so the initiative is a core program of our work carrying on that tradition of evaluating and listening to young people. one of his great things he always did was bask in the glow of their accomplishments and let

them do their work. and the use towards, we honor young people who carry on that range and all the topics that dave himself brought to the larger movements and there's a real diversity of approach and thinking and technology aspect of it and that type of activism but we have honored young people who are in the trenches and out in the wilderness on a whole range of topics and invite you to join us on october 23rd in san francisco for the thirteenth annual awards that were started in the year 2000. we have over 70 winners, long island program who are 31 years of age, in their own organizations, and young people

in the legacy, we continue in that regard so check out. >> if we don't support these young people we are worms. make sure you go there. >> one more question. we are worms. >> maybe i am slandering worms. >> i knew david brower really well. as a young child, my family went on sierra club trips in the mountains for years that he lead and enjoyed them tremendously and i think the book that has been ridden is wonderful and i have learned a lot about him, a

great deal about him that i didn't know. my focus started in high school when i heard talks against the danger of nuclear weapons and power and that was my focus for ages and i didn't really understand the need to support major as much as i did this other. david brower came -- we had a vigil going at the front of the campus that had been growing for years and trying to get the university to put a top notch debate on nuclear weapons and

power and get different points of view as well represented as they possibly can and have it televised so people will think things over and try to decide what they think should be done and dave came to two of our programs. we call it the circle of concern and he came twice and we didn't pay him any thing and -- the speaker to different years we have been going for 60 years or 40. but we are hoping to have this debate on campus by september 21st.

whether we succeed or not i don't know. but i do also have -- i will tell you one thing kind of interesting, i had a great grandfather who believed in the damming of had ceci -- he was instrumental in having that happen. this is something nobody thinks is a good idea including his son. my grandfather didn't think so either. and my great-grandfather did because he felt if there was not this damning people would not be able to live in this area because there was not enough water. he was not a very conservative

person. in this civil war he led a black battalion to try to win that debate. what i have come to realize is how complex these issues are and how complex people are. and i appreciate more than i did when i started i started out as a royal federalist. someone who believes in world government. and i still believe we should go for that and not wait around but really go and work that out. so i guess that is --

>> we should end these time constraints. it has -- one thing that -- told me once a story, most beautiful story i ever heard. about glen canyon -- would you mind handing us that story. >> tom turner and my son david and i and several of us had a reunion at glen canyon which was my father's greatest loss of his life. he failed to stop the glen canyon dam. the most beautiful canyon in the world. we never wanted to go back. we almost had a pact. we never wanted to go on that reservoir. we didn't call it wake powell. or we call it reservoir -- wouldn't even call it a lake and

wouldn't go back. what was the year? 2004, 2005. the go back into the canyon. we had a little reunion. it had been 40 years since the little group had left just ahead of the rising water so we went in to -- we went into the canyon and came to the most beautiful place at all, cathedral in the desert. this wonderful chamber that is like the inside of a cathedral and beautiful sculpture, beautiful ray of light hits the floor and we got to this canyon and it was everything that was beautiful or much of it was gone. there was still on the walls. the little lion was gone. the beautiful sculpture was muddied by 7.

my sister cried. dick norbert who was in the book cried when he saw it. in the back of the room, his cousins were wandering around and he came up to me and said bad, it is beautiful. it was stunning. i had to think -- it is still beautiful but so diminished from what it was and it struck me almost like a metaphor for how we lose things a little bit at a time. it is like a frog in boiling water. it is a beautiful canyon but you should have seen it when we were there. one of the things my father discovered late in his life is how easy it is to watch this away so it will recover but