doesn't feel like she can talk about it. she doesn't feel like she can talk about the success at work in the race she has gotten a communication breakdown between the couple and obviously that's going to have a sexual consequence in a relationship because they are not talking to each other. she doesn't feel like she can talk honestly about her life or he doesn't feel like he can talk about whatever reactions he might be having. and so, i think any couple when they are taken by surprise by situation and they don't feel like they can talk about it that is going to create problems but i did and a few women who found themselves partnered with men who are particularly bothered by this and i think sometimes the men have any self-esteem issues, we mentioned a couple in south texas where he left her for a woman who is more conventionally feminine and he also became retaliatory in the sense that he would tell her she was an attractive, that she was earning and he felt like she was ahead of him and she would say, you

have gained weight and you are not attractive anymore to make her feel bad about herself. >> host: even when they broke up he was in the hallway of her job telling her -- >> guest: right and i interviewed another woman in texas, high earning women working in i.t. who had acquired quite a substantial nest egg and she didn't want to have a family but she wanted to -- she found a guy who was gregarious and fun and she thought we will have a great time together. i don't mind paying for the trip. i don't mind paying to go to europe. she was okay with all that she found that she couldn't talk about her successes and much you got a really great contract at work and she came home she couldn't talk about it. and she found that he was no longer attracted to her but he was attracted to other women. they would go into restaurants and he would be flirting with the waitresses and ultimately she found that he was interested in on a computer. so in more conventional image of

femininity, so it's a sad story, except that you have to understand this guy probably wasn't a prince to be married to anyway and the thing they were arguing about was whether or not she could get a dog. she got the dog in one day she had this epiphany. she said you know what? i will keep the dog and get rid of you. and so, i mean in a relationship that is unhappy for whatever reason, and relationships can be made unhappy for any number of reasons, women can leave now and actually economists call it it the independent effect. anyway it's what the london times was afraid up when they said what is to prevent a woman from going where she likes and doing what she pleases that she has her own earnings? they were right. if a woman is in a relationship where they are unhappy now that easier for her to get a divorce. i've interviewed plenty of women who have made that decision.

it's not easy and it's painful, but it's better than being miserable and unhappy relationship and knowing that you can't leave because you are impoverished. interestingly, when we talk about one reason why young women are cheating and going to college i talked to any number of young women and young men who've had mothers who are unhappy in her marriage and they didn't have education or didn't have the earnings or who did get a divorce, but were impoverished after their divorce. i think that is one of the things that is driving women into college. i've got to be able to provide for myself. >> host: another thing you touched on, breadwinning women are getting divorces and things of that nature and sometimes they don't want to face some of the outcomes that come with bad situations but you also say in the book that breadwinning women

are more willing to stay alone, be alone than to partner with someone. >> guest: look around at a restaurant the next time you go to a restaurant and noticed how many tables of women there are. we definitely know that marriage has declined in this country and more adults are living single. some of them. happening and interestingly going back to that when the went at times article they said if a woman has earnings in marriage than that marriage has become an arrangement of co-happening independent agents and actually we are seeing back. we are seeing more cohabitation but we are seeing women staying single and i just interviewed someone in l.a.. i was at a book event if they came up to me afterwards and these were happy single women. they play golf and go out together and many women do eventually want to partners but i think his single life is no longer a failed life for a woman. i would imagine among your audience there are --

and the pbs show, whatever, yeah. all those girls had proposed their life with marriage. >> host: little girls are talked of -- taught that the white horse is going to come and sweep you off your feet and things of that nature. that is what we are taught when we are kids and i think you and i are close to the same age. when you get there sometimes it's like okay, you have to wonder, where's the white horse? >> guest: right, right. we knew to expand our criteria i think. he doesn't have to be tall, rich and handsome anymore. he can be supported. what's also interesting to me though is how adaptively was to me one of the most interesting parts of the book is the adaptations that people -- for example young women who really think it's important to marry a man with a college education or a man with the same level of earnings but they are in a city where there is

diminished markets, they are jumping on airplanes and going to other cities to expand their pool of potential mates are going to be this young woman down in miami who was in a city and she traveled to new york all the time. she goes to san francisco and she goes to seattle in tallahassee. she has the resources and she is the airport close by so that was to me -- travel was an interesting adaptation for women who still want the tall guy on the horse or whatever. but also, seeing women who were expanding their criteria and looking for boyfriends who would be supportive, who would move for them and he would help out around the home. and also interesting adaptation that i saw among some latina women in texas was married men who didn't go to college and then making them go to college or inspiring them to go to college. one very happy couple in south texas, you know got married.

she had a degree and a bachelor's degree and he had neither in part because young men feel like they have to get out of the workforce the workforce as soon as possible. they think of themselves as providers of the left college in order to take a low-paying job. she stayed in college and improved herself but then she inspired him. she said you know you have got to get that degree and i will facilitate it and help you. you will get through it because we are a team. and so it was really interesting seeing these -- we are ultimately very adaptive and i think we will adapt to this, to this new situation. there are going to be some transitional moments. >> host: many. the book is about women but you also talk to men. let's talk about what the men are saying. let's focus on the men right now because you talk so much about the women because men are who we love, we stand by.

talk to me about the ones who are standing up with their women, accepting the change because of job situations for them or this is what they chose and talk to me about those who possibly were intimidated or turned off by it. >> guest: okay, the whole variety, all those men are in the book. one of the things they said explicitly, most of them had dad to her breadwinners who worked overtime and work on all the time and these men and we know this is true of men. they want more time with their children. there are more domestically confident then we give them credit for so these guys were very intent upon spending more time with their children than their dads have been able to spend with them. i love my daddy needs a great guy but he wasn't able to be around when i was growing up and i want to be around. this situation for them enable them to spend more time with their children and they were

very happy about that. i think that is one of the really positive outcomes for men in this situation and one of the reasons that these guys were very supportive and perceived the benefit if not being yields to being a provider. we also know that the recession really eliminated the changes in the economy because -- three-quarters of the people who lost jobs in the recession berman and a lot of these for factory jobs in construction jobs some of which which will come back and some of which will not come back. a lot of guys are laid off in one of the things we don't give him enough credit for is a lot of women have households that slowed during the recession. wives and girlfriends and this is not true during the depression when women were pretty much not in the workforce and not supposed to be in the workforce. i think one of the things that kept our recession from being a depression was the fact that we did have working and earning women who could he -- keep the

households of flow. they were in the health the heae industry and they were teachers or they were willing to take lower paying job so they were able to keep households of flow. we know that when men lose their jobs they become more likely to leave a marriage. men in general are reluctant to leave marriages. they will hang in there longer than women will put study showed that when they lose their jobs, when they can be the provider, sometimes the psychological and emotional impact of that is so great that they leave the marriage. and so, obviously it can be enormously hard on them when they lose their jobs and the identity as a providers taken away from them but studies have also shown during their profession men were appreciative at wives and girlfriends who are keeping the households of flow. they said i'm really lucky to have her and i got up early and made her coffee because she was the one who was going off to

work. i think that does suggest the mindset. during the depression when women kept households afloat maybe they were taking in boarders or whatever they were not praised in their household. they were stigmatized. husbands felt devastated by the loss of their own jobs that women were regarded as having taken a job from a man. but i think even though it's difficult there is more gratitude and more appreciation and more acceptance by men who have lost their jobs in the recession, of what their wives and girlfriends are bringing in to keep the household of flow. even though it is hard enough on them that it does make them more likely to leave a marriage. >> host: you touched on an important topic. some men felt that traditional role when they lost a job really affected them. they were not in the traditional role and in reading the book, i saw a retaliation.

some women have experienced it. i have friends, talking to friends and i know a lot of men who have lost their jobs and their wives are taking over the home financial and otherwise, because they just can't find it themselves. talk about the retaliatory measures. >> guest: for example this young woman in texas belshe was physically unattractive and this is something women might hear in a situation like that. and i think also, interviewed will one woman who really had sort of had it employed her boyfriend because he was well-educated but not successful professionally and she had employed him and that was ultimately i think problematic for them. it's not always problematic because there are wives out there who have employed their husbands and she was running, she had been doing sort of a guardianship business and he was

helping her but she was feeling that he was retaliating and not helping around the home. so she started this blog she was working really really hard to make the spa work, and one night she stayed up really late. she was having a spa party for like a wedding and there were more people than she expected. she stayed up all my thing came home in the wee hours of the morning. he was mad at her, and even though she was the breadwinner, she said you know poor thing, what if they done to make you so angry? and he really wouldn't tell her. but obviously the fact that she was, think it was the fact that she was gone. well you didn't call and she said i was so tired i climbed up in the bennister chair and went to sleep at 5:00 in the morning so there was retaliation. he took her car at an wrecked her car and i have to say there was won't more than one incident of vehicles almost like retaliation against personal property of the women.

it was something that i was -- i am going to take your vehicle but i'm not going to take care of it. and, again, you get back back to the independence effect. the women that i talked to in those retaliatory situation who got out of them, i realize they were ultimately better off at out of them. ssarily someone you want tot be partnered with for your life even in the best of circumstances. and is one woman put it there was so much easier to dump him because i didn't depend on him financially so i guess i go back to the idea that let us not assume that all marriages were happy when women were economically happy because we know that they weren't. >> host: but there is good news. [laughter] we do have good news and the book. you have so many stories and again at comfort in hearing other people's stories.

we don't talk. we talking characters, 120 characters or less but you have a book chock full of stories and essays that i have had a couple of friends who are getting a divorce and i said wow this is an appropriate time. >> guest: every writer hopes that it will touch somebody in that way. >> host: yeah, it really hit home for many of my friends. talk to me about some of your favorite stories because just reading the stories are very interesting for a single wasn't myself to see what people are going through and seeing how i may have to change my mindset. >> guest: right, first of all i should say women don't talk about this and even in successful, happy marriages where you know she is grateful for his support and he is grateful to have more time at home one and won't talk about the fact that they are the breadwinner because in good

relationships they worried that it will in masculine and embarrass their part in. that is why i was so grateful to this -- these guys in michigan you have great senses of humor about the role in the household and they did not feel in masculine it. the hawkins family. one of the husband said they were having neighbors over for a card game and he was dusting and cleaning up and he had an apron on. so when the neighbors came and he answered the door with the apron on, they started calling him cocoa. piece sort of embrace that nickname in the family said now that this is then put in the book they said for the rest of his life he will be known as cocoa but he had a great sense of humor about that. that to me was kind of my favorite story and actually, one of my, within that family, a couple, one of the daughters, rondout, married a great guy who, she was working as a receptionist. he was working in the restaurant industry when they have their first child and he was making

more than she was. he came to her and he said do you know what? i want to stay home with her and the reason was he had been raised by a single mom. he wanted to have a relationship with his daughter and be a father to them in a way that he had not experienced. she knew that the restaurant industry had brutal hours and so it would be very difficult for him to be a hands-on father. so she said, okay, okay. we will make it where. i know you will pick up work and you will be a bartender. if we are stuck i know you will pick up work, so for about a decade, she was the primary breadwinner and he was the stay-at-home dad or maybe would pick up bartending work and gradually -- they have three daughters and gradually as they got older he found his way back into the restaurant industry for which he loved and had a job as a general manager at a fine restaurant and was loving the job. she got a promotion at her job that would require her to travel internationally because the auto industry so global now, on short

notice and he knew exactly what it to do. he went in gave notice. he said i love this job but she can't do her work if i am going to be working -- somebody has to be able to man the house front and when i asked him about that and they said, was it hard to give up the job -- do he ended up working part-time in the same job and they said i said was it hard to ratchet back this job that you love? he said it just wouldn't have been fair not to. she had invested so much in her career and made that compromise for me so long ago and it would not have been fair for me not to make the compromise for her. so he quietly said you know compromised his career to facilitate hers. i thought that was a very nice story. hitching your wagon to each other's star and pushing your wife's wagon for her sometimes. >> host: talk to me about how the united states compares to

japan right now. we are light years probably ahead of them but also as far as how women breadwinners are working out in relationships? >> guest: in europe in general, what is so interesting and people don't realize this, that women are outnumbering men in colleges and universities around the world. in developed countries but also in developing countries and really, this is going to have a profound impact in countries like, in middle eastern countries where women are becoming the more educated sex. looking at europe, interviewed some spanish demographers who are the ones who have made these projections globally about what we are going to look like in 2050 and it is going to be a world of educated women and less educated men. one of the things they are tracking in shifts in the marriage market for example in spain.

what they're finding is that women are marrying more progressive northern european men because they want men who argue no willing to adapt to their level of education and that men are marrying immigrant women from more like central america or south america who still have the more traditional mindset. and so, the way they put it was you know then want the kind of women who used to exist and women want men who still have yet to exist. and i think that is what a lot of people are going through. we are waiting for period where we all become more comfortable with this and that is taking place and i think many european countries as well and in part because of globalization and the european unit and crossing borders more easily. people are marrying people from other countries that still have the mindset that they want. a man who wants a traditional white or a woman who wants a more progressive partner.

>> host: so is america light years ahead of where are we? >> guest: where are we? i think we are adjusting. certainly we are way ahead of asian countries where there is still a mind shift going on. sounds like maybe we are ahead of spain. the u.k., i would imagine there is a lot of fema breadwinning in the u.k. and there there is mourned and more and friends and i would imagine that some of the same growing pains will result in those countries. for some reason the daily mail -- because i found when i was researching it, it is a very frequent topic of conversation and somehow and this is what i want to get away from women who are breadwinners are presented in a negative light, presented as high power executives who have their husband on their

speakerphone and just barking at them. that may be true sometimes because it's hard for women to give up control of the homefront. justice is hard for men to relinquish their identity as a breadwinner. it's hard for women to give up that control and actually that is another thing i saw with women adjusting to the fact that they weren't the whites controlling the homefront. one of the hawkins women said, the only thing that drives me crazy on back-to-school night and he is -- and i'm mrs. hawkins. the teachers told me in the parents don't know me. they know him and so the women, so i think when women are barking orders on their speakerphone to the extent that they are, because they don't want to give up that role of being the keeper of the homefront. but you know you asked about stories and i interviewed one recessionary breadwinning wife whose husband had lost his job and she had been a stay at home on.

she went back to her job in social services and he was at home with their boys in a way that he never had been before and she was a distant parent now coming home at the end of the day and they have very little free teen. what she saw the end of the year when she got written out of her sons artwork. she was no longer an image in the pictures they were bringing home from elementary school and her husband was the one who is an them. but at the same time this has real emotional for her to talk about but she said he had worked so hard for so long and have not been able to spend that kind of time with their sons. her per boys with their father come it was very moving for her and a happy experience that they were able to be together. i think she was experiencing that male breadwinning experience that i'm not with them. i am earning the money that enables them to be together but she was very happy to see them together and she also had a good sense of humor about it. i really do think that helps and she would laugh about how she was just in the artwork and it

has become a family joke. >> host: in conclusion with a few minutes we have left, what would you recommend in your findings in your studies and your stories and research to help both sides, men and women, to adjust? >> guest: okay, ignore the comments from in-laws. try to ignore that wider social stigma or maybe explain to your in-laws look this is working for us it don't call him a freeloader. if he has supported my career and a wife to tell her in-laws, don't stigmatize it. women, don't try to retain control of your earnings. have a joint checking account. he has his atm card and you have your atm card. why would he be asking you for money? it's a joint checking account.

men need to stay interesting and moving forward so that the wife doesn't get a sense that he is sitting at home stagnating. keep learning, keep moving, keep changing. don't sit around and stew and feel emasculated. move forward and stay dynamic. that's important to women and talk about this to your children as though it is a good thing and remind your children that even if the wife is away earning, that's an expression of love for the children. she loves them and he loves them. talk about the children -- talk to the children as though this is okay because it is okay ultimately. >> host: liza mundy thank you very much for this very valuable our. "the richer sex" how the new majority of female breadwinners is transforming sex, love and family, author liza mundy thank you so much. >> guest: thank you so much.

>> he was a very shy child spent most of his time tinkering and googling -- doodling in his father's house. his father wanted him to be a lawyer. well call amity happens when the family has a severe economic

reversal. they lose their mansion and he is forced to drop out. and he basically said if it wasn't for the fact that my father, and my father had not gone bankrupt i would not have had the drive that i have today to remake myself. so, working his way through colombia to get his b.a. and then he got his law degree, practiced law for one year and hated it and eventually admiral called david taylor. taylor taught him what it needed to learn and gibbs moved to new york and started a very successful practice designing naval ships. he designed 70% of all naval vessels in world war ii which is an incredible achievement. destroyers, cruisers. he designed normandy landing craft and it was also the man responsible for the iconic liberty ship which was the mass-produced cargo ship that

helped win the war. basically, build ships faster so the germans can sync them and that was basically the way he built this mindset. even throughout his very successful career he still remained focused on the grand size, building his thousands of ships.

>> what are you reading this summer? booktv wants to know. >> there are two wonderful books out now about where al qaeda and the taliban are. steve mccullough is working on one. seth jones from the rand corporation is working on the other one. david maraniss is working on another biography at this time, and there are lots of great books that had come out every year by a serious journalist/historian's that are worth reading. a book on steve jobs is a perfect example on that. is an international best-selling phenomenon and all the things we can learn from it. >> what are you currently reading? >> i read eclectically actually. i read a wonderful book written by a british -- about his father

in world war ii. i read about the 48 campaign which is, you said it was really while. henry wallace and strom thurmond and tom dooley the first election after the war so reading about terry anderson and the book about george bush and how he decided to go to war. my wife just finished it and she just picked it off so i have to go back and get involved in that. i read a lot of magazines, a lot of essays. i read actually opened up a correspondence with donald hall as a result of something he wrote in "the new yorker" about growing old and it really spoke to to me anyway so we have a little exchange in that was quite gratifying. i i am in awe of great writers. i don't pretend to be a great writer. i am energetic and pretty good sometimes but the great writers moved me in ways that nothing else in life does.

>> for more information on this and other summer reading list visit .tv.org. >> up next historian stanley weintraub recounts franklin delano roosevelt's last presidential campaign in 1944 which was in his fourth term. mr. weintraub examines the key events that marked his wartime re-election which he defeated republican thomas dewey. this is about 45 minutes. [applause] >> my book is called "final victory." "final victory" suggest that there were nothing but victories in his life. actually, that wasn't the case. he did have two terms as a state senator from new york state. he became assistant secretary of the navy. see you then was chosen to be the vice presidential candidate on the democratic ticket in 1920 when the democrats were sure to

lose. and they lost. he lost with them. but, he felt that this would only energize his career. he had national visibility. he was going to go on into other things, but that was 1920. in 1921, he suffered an attack of polio, lost the use of his legs. he was paralyzed from that time on, and the period we are dealing with now is 23 years into that period of -- on his part. i don't think the public realized how paralyzed he was, that he had no agility physically, though he had a good deal of agility verbally. he was a brilliant speaker. he was a brilliant combiner of words, and most of the public

never knew that he was, to use the word then used, cripple. pictures were not taken of him in a wheelchair. pictures were not taken of him using braces or crutches. if they were, the press was buried discrete. they didn't do such things back then and today the press would be less discrete that we are now dealing with the roosevelt of the public thought they knew but they really didn't know very well. he gave speeches on radio. there was no television yet. speeches on radio they were called fireside chats. he had no fireside as he spoke in the people he spoke to listen to in their little radios that were not any fireside either. this was just the make-believe that was done in the media at the time.

he gave a tremendous number of press conferences during his presidency. nearly one press conferences and he did so by sitting behind his desk. people didn't realize that he sat behind his desk because he couldn't stand up. they just accepted it for what it was. he was very astute in what he said and he was warmhearted and humorous. during world war ii, when there were problems about prices and shortages and so on, he knew exactly what to say and when to say it. for example, at one point, he tried to stress that the prices of things were not really very high. you shouldn't buy them at the wrong times, and he said, someone visited me who was a farmer. can you imagine a foreman in a factory coming to visit

roosevelt at the white house? he said he came to me last january and said to me my old lady is ready to hit me over the head with a dishpan. i said, what's the travel? the cost of living. well i said, what for instance? last night i went home and the old lady said, what's this? i went out to buy some asparagus and do you see what i got? i got five sticks and that cost me a dollar and a quarter. it's an outrage. i looked at him and said when if you've been buying asparagus in january, fresh asparagus? oh he said i never thought about it. tell that to the old lady with my compliments. someone at the press conference that said, was that the same guy who complained about the price of strawberries and he said oh no, that was someone else. of course they were all make belief but a lot of communications to the public was make-believe. the real, the real

communications dealt with more significant matters. for example, we went through the worst depression in our history, the worst war in our history and he was the president during both of those. we did very well to get out of them as we did. but, in 1944, he said, we are long past dr. new deal, that is dealing with the social safety net. we have to deal with dr. win the war. this was from a press conference. and, we dealt with winning the war except that there was still a part of the safety net that hadn't been established, the g.i. bill. the g.i. bill was fought over in congress in 1944 before the election, and many conservatives in congress complained that the g.i. bill would stifle the urge

of returning veterans to go to work. we didn't need it. it was socialism. well, the g.i. bill it turns out was actually drafted, written by a former chairman of the republican national committee for roosevelt. and, he had a -- it had a hard time getting through congress. roosevelt family had to appeal to a congressman from georgia and the g.i. bill passed by one vote. it is possibly the most significant legislation about social mobility in the history of this country. pass by one vote and it was written by a republican, a socialist legislation. and we have the equivalent, in the introduction you heard that said, we have an equivalent now, we have what is called obamacare obamacare was drafted and

written by republicans for romney. governor romney's romneycare is obamacare with very few words changed, but here we are again at a parallel in 1944 and those last full year of world war ii. world war ii in 1944 was not yet a settled thing. we have been invading islands in the central pacific that the japanese had taken over earlier in the war. we have not yet -- dj would not be until june the sixth, 1944, which i remember because my wedding anniversary is the tenth anniversary of d-day. i don't know what that has to say about my marriage, but in any case, i won't forget the anniversary. or the date of d-day. but the result of this unsettled

war at this point was that roosevelt felt that he had to continue on. the war had to be one and the peace after that had to be one. but, was there somebody else to take his place? he was not well. he knew he was not well. he didn't know how sick he was but he knew he was not well in the cover of my book shows roosevelt quite gone, the way he actually looked in 1944. behind me is a flattering picture of roosevelt, supposedly run early in 1945, but it's flattering and it looks like a campaign poster. it wasn't the roosevelt of reality at that point. roosevelt's callers were too big and his shirts hung on him. he had lost 19 pounds in the previous year. his wife and his daughter said, you really need to get a check

up. and he said i get a check-up every day. the surgeon general of the navy, ross macintyre, comes in every day and checks me out. well he did. he came in every day. he was an ent physician. what is ent? sigir, nose and throat. he didn't check his blood pressure and he didn't check his temperature. he didn't check anything else. but he was a vice admiral in the navy and the surgeon general of the navy so he was after all a big manager who is going to counter what he had to say? nevertheless because of the badgering of anna roosevelt and eleanor roosevelt, franklin was taken to bethesda naval hospital. it was almost knew at that time. it was a newly opened facility.

he was taken there in a limousine, with his wheelchair. his wheelchair was an old chair with wheels attached. he didn't want to be seen and a conventional wheelchair, a hospital type wheelchair because he didn't want to be thought of as a cripple. so we sat in a wheelchair and he was pushed along in the kitchen chair. you can see that kitchen chair at the roosevelt memorial here in washington because one of the statue shows him sitting in it and you see the wheels on the kitchen chair, a very honest portrait of roosevelt sculpture that way. at bethesda naval hospital they were appalled at his that his condition. a young doctor and a colombian presbyterian in new york who was the invalid tenet commander of the navy, was called in as a heart surgeon to look them over him over and he said, roosevelt

is in. bad shape indeed. he may not live out the year unless something is done. the first thing we have to do is, the only thing we can do to combat high blood pressure and that is to prescribe digitalis. there was nothing else at the time. things have changed a great deal since 1944. he was put on digitalis and then he said he has to be cut down to one cocktail a day. he loved his martinis, which he would have at what he called children's hour, which was 5:00. children's hour because traditionally many adults would send the children out when they had their 5:00 drinks. roosevelt bargained up to a cocktail and a half each day. he was told he had to give up smoking. as you see the iconic cigarette holder in his hand, in a

portrait behind me. he bargained to five cigarettes a day from two packs so instead of the two packs, five cigarettes a day. he told harry hopkins who is chief assistant, i am down to five cigarettes a day and it's just as horrible a severed but he could not give up his addiction and he continued that way. somehow he survived this additional restriction on him, and he was able to continue on. but he would have liked to have had somebody take his place as candidate for president. and there weren't very many people who were eager for the job. he was so -- he was so powerful a figure in government, he overshadowed everybody else in politics, that very few people aspire to that job. farley, the one-time chairman of

the democratic party and postmaster general, wanted the job at roosevelt didn't feel he was up to the job. another person who wanted the job was henry wallace, who is vice president but he wasn't even good to be given a task as remaining on as vice president of candidate. he was considered too flaky. a conservative in the south who wanted the job was harried byrd of virginia, the elder harry byrd. in the democratic national convention in mid-july 1944, harry byrd actually carried three states, three southern states in the convention but when roosevelt of course carried all the other states, the chairman of the convention nathaniel jackson the senator from indiana said i now would like to