www.harvestinggold.com. to viewers everywhere. thank you. please feel free to e-mail me with any comments. [applause] discuss arms com or whatever issues between the two powers which they sure did. but only long afterwards if we get the notes on what they said exactly to each other in private. it turned out kennedy spent a lot of time complaining about bad press coverage. they were being tough on jackie and other things. he said, jack, where do you

care. brush it off. it doesn't matter. you have other things to worry about. kennedy said that's easy for you to say, harrold, how would you like it if the press said your wife was a drunk. and he replied, i would simply say, you should have seen her mother. [laughter] it was a kind of that thing that later on, the fun that gives you an idea what the people were like but you can't learn in real time. >> historians and biographers use the advantage of hindsight to understand their subjects through a prism of time. sunday your questions, calls, e-mails and tweets for presidential historian michael on the lives of presidents and wars hots and cold. in-depth at noon eastern on on c-span2 booktv. every weekend on c-span2 booktv, our afterwords program feature ors of the non-fiction books interview bid the peers in

journalism, public policy, legislative and other fields. this weekend they share their opinion with foxx news analyst on how the foundation of america class have been dismantled by washington and wall street. it airs every saturday on booktv on 10 p.m. and sunday at 9 p.m. and midnight. coming up next jamal joseph author of the panther baby recounts the life of the black panther party during the '60s and '0eus. he talks about his time in prison where he receives several college degrees and teaches at colombia university. one of the institutions he encouraged people to set on fire during one of his panther speeches. this is about an hour and ten minutes. >> hello. good evening. so, i wanted to introdrug

introdisuse the writer i melt him a long time ago. he used to be the chair of colombia university where i went to graduate school and long ago i had a friend at newline cinema who was a big company makes big movies, and i was saying to her one day i'm working on the movie about the plaque panthers and doing the research and wanted to talk to someone and he said, well, i am working with the fabulous screen writers. she loved the work that the man did. and she was just like he's just incredible, and you should talk to him. i thought that is odd. i didn't fully i understand was he a black panther, a friend, did he hang out with them? it seemed strange. screen writers for a hollywood company and black panther.

that was my first meeting of jamal, i found him to be this incredibly soft spoken and gentleman. and i think it was in many ways one of the first times that i sort of saw an african-american who really was working in hollywood, and writing movies and i thought that was really cool. far more amazing that he actually lived this hisory that i really admire so much. and, you know, i think that from then on, we sort of knew each other. and i think that probably something they find most amazing about him and about his experience is that, you know, when i went to him about a year ago, and i wanted to get some photographs from him to use for our project, i remember asking,

you know, did do so you have anything you could lend me any photos you could copy, any letters? and he said, you know, i don't have anything. when was young man, i think he was about 16, and i had to go underground and we dumped everything. i thought that is, to me, so profound, he was such a young man and that he had to, you know, kind of destroy this sort of young life that he had in order to hide. and i found very heartening and i think that in a lot of way, i knew his history, that moment has always stuck with me. so, you know, i'm really very, very happy to introduce the amazing writer, and here he is. jamal joseph. [applause]

[applause] thank you so much. good evening. i want to acknowledge, first of all, the philadelphia free library for the event of setting, whitney who is a wonderful friend and dynamic publicist that has been working hard and all of the panthers. we don't say former panther. we say panther alumni, who in the house, rebelling sei was the philadelphia leader. is reggie here? is brother reggie here? we have to give reggie a big round of applause. [applause] sister bc as we called her barbara cox from philadelphia but was married to theo

martial. whatever she would come to new york, i don't remember when you would be in new york either at the bronx how you would take the young panthers, because we were always hungry and you would feed us. we would go to the restaurant and you would get us chicken an waffles or fish and grits. we remember the days. brother sue who is going help with the q & a. can i have all of the alumni stand. all of the panthers that are out today. let's stand and give them a round of places. -- applause [applause] reggie is in the house. [applause] [applause] i apologize a little bit. i'm working with the slight fever. i have found out on the road i have a kidney infection.

so i was on tour and went l.a. and they got seattle and from seattle got really sick in idaho, and thought i had the flew flu and the diagnosed it. you see my con a little bit. it's a great conversation we've been having not only about my experiences but how young people got involved in the struggle and how you relate to today. and what we could be doing today. and not wanting to sound like a '60s conspiracy they are resist, i had a nightmare that night when i found was out it was a strapped to a hospital bed. there was a hoover laughing his ass off. finally got you, jamal. my journey in to the black panther party started before i became a panther. i think what i'd like to do is just to read a little passage

from the book. and then show you how i happen to walk in to the panther office and how that day changed my life. this is chapter 3 of the book. and it's called "finding the panther layer." i walked in to an office in brooklyn in 1968. wait a minute. wait a minute. i met to say the best for last not until the end of the program. is chairman bobby here? chairman bobby seal founder of the black panther party is in the house. wait a minute. chairman bobby, please stand up. [applause] [applause] i know i was saving that but then i started reading and you didn't mean to do that at the end of the program. you wanted people know he was here and get a chance to talk to chairman bobby as well i walked

in to the officer in brooklyn in september of 1968. dr. king had been asince gnatted in april of that year. riots flaired around the country. the feeling on the street was that the shit was about to hit the fan. black power was the phase of the day. from street corner speeches to campus rallies, whitey had gone from being the man to being the beast. young black students were trading in their -- feel good records for the roshedded speeches of malcolm x and the angry jazz recordings. i went down to 125st street. the night dr. king was assassinated. protesters and rioters going on the street overturning cars, setting trash can fires and hurling briex at white owned business. one of the store front windows was shattered by a trash can.

luter ran in to the store and started taking everything and anything. not everyone luted. in fact most of the crowd continued to chant the king is dead and "black power." it was enough for the cops to swing clubs and make arrest. a cop grabbed me and threw me against the wall. before he could handcuff me, a group of riters turned a police car over. the cop told me to stay put and ran to the rioters. i was scared, but i wasn't stupid. [laughter] i took off running in the opposite direction. i blended in with the group of rioters and tried to figure out which way to go. a group of cops headed forward us. some of the rye yolters ran in to a clothing store. i followed. the cops entered the store swinging clubs and makes arrest. my heart pound as i ran in to the book of a store and found a

back door. i gasped for air as i ran down the allie and was stopped by a wooden fence. the cop came to the ally. "halt, they yelled." i froze, put my hands in the air and turned around to face the cops but the body kept hauling arizona. i gap grab the the feints and scurried over the top. two shots rang out. this gave me the fear to which i needed to flip over the fence, pick myself off the ground and scramble out of the ally. when i turned out on to the street, i kept returning right past two other cops who tried to grab me. i jerked away. turning the corner i almost collided with a group of twenty or so black men in leather coats wearing of a foes and braids, standing on the corner in a military-like formation. stop running, young brother. one of the men said, don't give

these any excuse to stun you down. i doubled over trying to catch my breathe. i didn't know this man but the voice sounded like a light wrap of confidence and a sea of chaos. moments later, two cops ran around the corner they stopped in the tracks when they saw the militant men. the men closed ranks around me. what are you doing here one of the cops demanded. move aside. the black men with the glasses didn't flinch. we're exercising our constitutional right to free assemblying. making sure no innocent people get killed out here tonight. we're chasing the luters the cops reported. no luters here, as you can see, we're disciplined community patrol. you have guns, the cop asked with a tinted of fear. that's what you said. the man with tinted glasses replied. i said we were exercising our constitutional rights. the cops in the sides and the discipline of the group and

walked away. by the time i caught my breathe, i was speechless. by that time, i caught my breathe, but i was speechless from what i just seen. black men standing down the cops. go straight home, young brother, the man with the tinted glasses said. the pigs are looking for any excuse to murder black folks tonight. with that the black men walked on. i scooted down to the subway and headed home. when i entered the apartment, grandma was sit on the couch watching images of dr. king on tv. tears fell from her eyes. he didn't ask where i had been. which was unusual since i was about two hours late getting home. i sat next to her, put my arnl around her and we watched tv reports was assassination and the riots. i came to school the next, before that i wanted to say a little bit about -- my adopted grandma.

i was conceived in cuba, and my mother was a graduate student and broke up with my father and came home and announced to my grandma that she was pregnant but broken up with the guy. my grandma pressed a little bit more about who the father was, and when he found out he was a young revolutionary hanging with the likes of fie dahl. mom got put on the first plane smoking to new york city. in cuba she had been a graduate student and on the way to be a doctor. when he showed up in new york city she was a young black woman who couldn't speak i think english. a friend told her about a loving place they took in foster kids. she put me there for what would be a temporary stay. wound up by something my early childhood home. my grandma and. poppa.

took me in when they were old, their air aperns and older brothers and sisters had been slaves. i group up hearing stories in america and in the south where you didn't look a white person in the eye if you were black coming down the street. in fact, if they were on the sidewalk, you got in to the gutter no matter if it was raining, muddy, how old you were. the sidewalk belonged to them. i heard about the kkk and lynching, and about jim crow and first person reports. they saw cross burning. they lost relatives to lynching. with that, they were working class people. she worked as a domestic, he worked as a laborer. and they had been -- they joined the naac. i was active in the youth counsel. i was honor student, in the choir, i had a sense of what was

going on. we collected food and books up north to send to the civil rights workers in the south distributes that stuff to the communities. pop died when i was about 12 years old. he was me and her. it was a thing of wanting to be a man of figuring that out and dr. king got killed. i was enraged and angry. the day after this, i went to school, and on the fridges on television you would see sew fee carmichael and browne and bobby seal and newton and the news described them as the black militants. they were talking about black power. i want to back up too, and talk about all of my lessons in black history. i don't want you toy think it was over the dinner table. pa was a working man and he was what they calledded in the those

days a race man. a lot of my lesses would be as simple we were watching television ab an old black and white tv. an old tar disan movie would come. they swing across the scene yelling his yell. pa would be looking at that and after about move five minutes go what the hell is that. tell me how in the hell a cracker baby can grow up and speak monkey every day. boy, change the dambisa channel. it was living history. i would switch and harry reiser in. he was giving some editorial, i think it was about the space program and he was going on and on and being very educate and very bright young white man pa looked at him for about four minutes you've a lying onion

hand. dambisa cracker. change the dam channel. could use that stuff in the schoolyard. when the militants came on. they challenging the power structure in a different way, the way that we hadn't seen in the movement, they were fly about it. you know, again, soft fee was talking about black pour. i remember one news report they got arrested forest fire possessing a rifle. they covered him on the jail. they were standing on the steps and they had reporters gathered up and said i wanted you to listen. if you thought my rifle was bad. wait until you see my bomb. i thought he's crazy. i went to school the next day and announced to my friend, i was a hallway monitor, i sat with a certain group of guys. i announced to them, as clear as day that i eddy joseph am going

to be a black militant. one of my friends a white kid a jewish kid. he said i don't know if you can announce it like it's going to be a career choice like you're going to be a doctor or lawyer. no, paul, you watch. and then i had as much to prove to paul as to myself. all the anger i was feeling. find the most militant organization on the scene. it was subjective. i didn't really know what was going on, you know, and so there would be reasons, you know, to look at organizations and reject it. just on the surface level. the black muslim. grandma makes buy con. i can't live like that. paul and them have one and then they ran a news report talking about the rising militant sei in america. and it was a story about the black panther party. they ran the footage where the

panthers lead by chairman bobby stormed the state capitol in sacramento. they started patrolling the streets of california with shotguns and law books enforcing one of the aspects of the ten-point program put to get to that later. but that the imagination not only the community of america because it was legal to carry guns in california, they weren't concealed and the law books were to make it clear that bobby and any other panthers understand the law and understood the right observe the arrest following the person to precinct. bail them out. if not they were young lawyers and legal volunteers to help get people. out. i'm seeing the black men with guns. california responds by saying, yes, the laws say you can carry weapons if they're not concealed when we wrote that we didn't

mean black men. the panthers responded by storming the hears and sacramento and it made national news. i'm looking at this on the tv seeing the panthers storm the legislature going like they are crazy! they got guns and leather coats. they are crazy. and the powerful lightture and the white men they are ducking under their seats for cover and the panthers come out and chairman bobby reads the statement, you know, about the constitutional right to bear arms and a we have to defend ourselves because the police are not defending our communities our occupy our communities and a reporter says the black panther party. please stop there and he -- [inaudible] you want to be the -- there

wasn't a pan they are office in the bronx the harlem office hadn't opened yet. there was a panther office in two of my older friends found a secret headquarter of the black panther party. and anybody that knows about the panthers know that our offices in our community centers were anything but secret. we found a "secret headquarter" it was a two-hour subway ride to get there. as we're riding not having any real information, the guys are trying to psych each other me they thought if i jumped off they had to get me. one guys leans over and you know this is serious, right you know it's like the mafia. once you join there's no getting out. there's there's no getting out. i can't be a punk in front of my boys. i squared my skinny little shoulders and said i don't care. they said you don't play. you have to kill a white dude to

be a panther. kill somebody? but i can't be a punk. i don't care. the other guy said you about got to kill a white dude. i'm relieved. he said you have to kill a white cop. and you have to brick in the badge and the gun. i i don't care. we get to the panther offices the wonderful black panther party sign on the outside. we come in the back and i sit down and brothers and sisters have on leather coats and the arm me jackets and some have berets and the avenue rows and some sisters have their head wraps. up front the person running the meeting was the information lieutenant and he is explaining the panther ten-point program. now, this is -- if you read this, it was written in october of 1966, if you read this document, it was written 45 years ago, the thing is it's

brilliant. sadly it could have been written two years ago. talk about that just in a second because of those points have not been addressed. but, you know, the points are things like we want freedom or power to determine the destiny of our commune i, we want full employment for the people. decent houses, shelter for human beings. nothing in there about killing a white dowd. or bringing in a cop badge or gun. am i hearing this? i have my own internal conversation. i'm going show my boys. i think a bore gets the point of the five which is about education. you know, education that teaches us our true history and the true nature of the american society. i jump up. choose me. all me. i kill a white dude right now. the whole meeting stops. and the lieutenant says, come here, young brother, i come up and he is sitting behind a wooden desk. he retches down to the bottom

drawer and my heart is pounding i look he's reaching in the drawer. he's going give me a big gun. and he hands me a stack of books. malcolm x biography and such. i'm thinking, i play hooky to come here. and he's giving me books. this must be a test. he's checking me out to see if i can be a panther and getting my gun. i'm 15 years old. i'm this skinny. if you see on the coffer of the book the jackson five hair. my voice hadn't quite changed yet. not only that, the voice sounded like michael jackson. we tried to bass in my voice i said, excuse me, brother, i thought you were going arm me. and he said, excuse me, young brother, i just did.

and as i'm walking back to my seat he said young brother, let me ask you a question. since you want to kill the white folk. all of the these pig police, the community who murdering people or brutalizing people, gunning them down like dogs, if all of them were black, and the people being killed and brutalized were white, he said all of these store owners in the community ripping community off with high prices and rotten meat and spoiled vegetables and all of them were black and the people being ripped off were white and he said the fashionist pigs crook politician, he said if all of them were black and the people exploited to the press were white would that make things correct? this time i'm answering with my brain instead of the bruised ego i said no brother. it seems like that would be wrong. he smiled and said that's

right. in is -- a this is a class struggle for human rights. study the books so you understand the what the revolution is about. i like to tell the story because i was two of the notions people have about the black panther party when we look back was violent organization, they hated white people. and i was -- i found out both of those things that first day. as i was leaving the office, the next to the posters of malcolm x there was a poster of error and it had a quote and it's a quote they would soon come to understand that we live by in the movement. and it was taken from a speech he had given a few years earlier at the united nations and at the risk of sounding ridiculous, let me say that revolutionary are guided by great feelings of love. and that's became clear to me.

it made clear that was going my work as the panthers. community programs, breakfast programs, health clinic, food giveaways, that was the work. and i'm on the go all the time. on the go all the time. and they were like, boy, where are you going? basketball practice. you're not on the team. i made it. i'm on got doing the stuff. clean your room, take out the garbage, finally, grandma gets tired and she does what grandpas will do she went to straighten up my room and id hidden under my bed between the mattress and the box spring was all of the panther literature. i came home from school that night or probably from a meeting or some community service that night, and she grandma had the kitchen table stacked with panther papers and other literature, and she in the middle of the bible, and she had the strap she used to beat me with.

that was the mafia also, i didn't realize -- you see the art work of emmy douglas. imagine how it was to a woman who had been born of slaves. seeing cops portrayed as pigs with flies buzzing around their head and african school children barefoot. book on one hand. that's cool. going to school. ak47 on the other shoulder. i come in and stop cold and grandma said what is this? ..

well, my section leader came to speak to her. what we call it crazy brother, but he made sure that i knew my template program, report to community service, conducted myself as a young panther even the right way to hit on the panther grow. [laughter] it's like you're a panther know. you can be in your talk about what's happening. they don't want to you that stuff. they want to hear power to the people, my sister.

and then when you say to 76 local how are you doing, brother. oh, my sister, i am really exhausted. a more now. i was upper this morning at the breakfast program. i was organizing, and i was over at the health and the company out. i did community patrols to help of a senior citizens get home. i am just worn out. it's okay. i'm struggling for the people. [laughter] excuse me. that return to keep my eyes open over your. then the system might say, well, brother, you know, you are so tired, but you come by. we made a little dinner. so came to my house to talk to drama. came, had on his leather jacket. taken all the buttons of. i didn't know we were allowed to wear ties. he sits down and he speaks and says, the baltimore. right away he gets to the point

because she is an elder in the church. if you say jamal to forgive me, if you say it can come back to the panther offices, meant to i had to listen to that. because your his grandmother. you're milder. if you tell me to do something, i have to. but i know and he's not doing everything that he is supposed to do. if you don't mind, where they can come back and not of like to keep an eye on them. ma'am, if you see his curfew is to:00, if he doesn't walk in the house at 945 of will take off his belt buckle and beaches but. and then sit numb the side going , that's the part of it. what you doing? your signing of to be me. that's not -- your suppose to come back. he said, ma'am, i know he could be doing better in school. if you want to bring even 85 on the next of protest, if he doesn't bring you a 95i will take the size 13 combat boots and give him a switch -- swift kick in the but.

, listened, she had the headline preaches said, well, you know, my mind was made up. but you seem like a nice man. it's hard raising a boy alone because you don't know. so if you keep an eye on him and make sure that he does what he's supposed to do around the house and around church and everything a little go back. so a back. they to be more conscious of what i had to do five weeks later and assault team, we would call them us what to today, but there were called tactical patrol, kicked in the door at 4:00 a.m. i had just turned 16. the take me out in handcuffs and chains. what became the panted 21 case. and that number, 21, is because, you know, the district attorney

in new york law mr. hogan, was going to solve this printer problem a little differently. they were attacking panther offices all round the country in the morning, iowa. offices were blown up. here in philadelphia at the office was raided and the panthers are made to stand naked in the cold for hours and hours. of course in chicago fred hampton was murdered in his sleep, but he was. so that number 21 represented anyone in a position to lead in the black panther party. although i was the youngest, was always around and i was a good student and a hard worker, and i became head of all the high-school cadres. my name came up. him to. we didn't know what it meant, what a conspiracy case meant. we get to court the bail was set at $100,000. that's a lot of money today. imagine what that flight in

1969. we were remanded. the rules of discovery, we found out what the case was about. the heart and soul of the case was made by undercover cops who were part of an elite unit called the boss unit, the bureau of special services. and one of the unit cops was a man named gene roberts who was in the nation of islam, left with malcolm and was malcolm x's bodyguard. in paris, just a few feet away when he was assassinated. you can go on line in the to see pictures of malcolm a moment after he was shot giving mouth to mouth resuscitation. that man was gene roberts. malcolm true his last breath from an undercover cop. and he used his credentials to join the black panther party and, in fact, became a security officer. the other person who was part of

that elite unit was my mentor. became, used, you know, and some military background, but he always was the crazy panther. he was the person that if we talked about organizing a building that was having problems with the landlord to take the money and make repairs and fix the borland and do some things that were, you know, and all the money in escrow, he would be, like, where does the landlord live. let's find out where his mansion is in go burn it down. of course the young brothers were like, yeah. but the person who is aggressive and that person knew is telling you, i know where to get the dynamite, no way to get the guns. he was the agent provocateur, the former. there was a journey. coming out of prison and then becoming a spokesperson for the

printer 21. one of the and spokespersons for the black panther party. there was a return to prison for shutting down jordan's, a drug house in harlem because the drug epidemic in harlem as it was in philadelphia as it was in chicago, it was like the drug dealers were acting with impunity. blocks and blocks of addicts with lineup. it was like an open air market, abandoned buildings. we were seeing kids 12, 11, ten years old buying drugs and going off into one of those abandoned buildings and of being. so we began to shut them down by force. and then finally there was the longest which was the state and federal prison where i met an old prisoner who give me some credit vise. it was good advice for being in prison and a good advice for

life. yeah and but, you can serve this your time or you can let this time serve you. and at that time at leavenworth you could get into the college program to university of kansas. i dived in, read everything i could hear was able to turn to degrees from the university of kansas. it's also where i found the power of the creative part because i had done some place and been involved in the black arts movement. when i get to the first day. yes, he was part of the panthers. yes. a lot of people that. oh, yeah. you taught karate and martial arts. yeah. you did in place and stuff. yeah. kind of walked away. does that violate the rule? so in any event i went to the library. there were no black play. there was one.

there was -- i wrote a play. the only place i found, the brother said, yeah. just look around the yard. so i wrote a play. we're rehearsing it. some of the black presidents. into the rehearsal comes the leader of latino crew and his right hand. these were tough. they're doing life, had killed a couple of prisoners as they had been in jail. they come and sit down. the left their turf. what are they here to do. the leader is looking like he is really upset. he's getting madder and madder. and then after ten minutes election points right at me. that me speak to you. of a slight bow, here it comes. we hear rumors about what you're

doing. i see it's true command of going to tell you something. you listen in to listen good. that guy you're working with, that effing guy, he's not filling his character. [laughter] i said, what you come in. he was great. so he made his friend get in. set up a black and latino history month play. the wise guy sit up there, toughest guy, a guy named red, 220 pounds, bodybuilder, black belt. he comes up, two hours later, all is guys around him. white supremacist, bankers, bank robbers. you'd want to be with the black and latino guys. well, what was he doing? he said, play. well, but did you do about it? well, they gave me a part. we became the only diverse

group, the multi-cultural group and were able to use that to talk about those things than i had learned 15 years ago in the panther party, to talk about class struggle, to talk about the fact that oppression in this country, slavery to the happen because white folks to mike black folks, but because here was an abundant pool of labor. the first place in this country or indentured servants, but there was an expiration date. then you had native americans who said, no. we live here. i don't think so. you had this abundant pool of labour and racism that became the marketing strategy for oppression. and from then until now, from the founding fathers, from the first stock being traded on wall street, african slaves command from the first fortunes that were made by insurance companies to insure the slave trade like lloyd's of london and other companies to my were dealing with oppression as business.

what happens to malcolm x at the time he started talking about race and economics, what happened to dr. king, what happens to the black panther party when the black panther party said, this is about class and economics. when we say all power to the people, we do mean power to all folks. white power to white people. brown power brought people. when you have that conversation this table attack. the stable a press, this it will do anything that they can to destroy you. so excitement about what is going on today with college campuses and the occupy movement, excitement about people taking to the streets, but i like to remind them about what we did. the ticket to the streets, but we ticket back to the communities. we learned from people like chairman bobby that you had to organize people around me. we learned that from the civil rights movement.

always feeding people, having people, closing people, and creating that understanding. fest for to the work done with the impact, powering your people through the arts, but letting them have their voices heard of of what's going on. when you combine in activist an artist, we like to call at. finally it to a university where i had been a professor for 14 years, as a young panther would go on campus and they would -- students would take over the campus, you know, in protest of the war, any issue. it was a hotbed. the panthers and everyone. usually it were the kind of closing the show. as a young panther i knew my job is to get the crowd on fire. i would give a speech at what goes something like brothers and sisters, is called the university does not recognize

the war in vietnam is a work of a capitalist exploitation and they don't recognize that the united states military is occupying vietnam the way the new york city police to provide occupies harlem and is trying to occupy this campus, brothers and sisters, you need to do more to take this campus over today. you need to burn the damn place down. students, of course, chair. fast for 40 years. walking toward a class. the statue of our, is where we do this. one statue at the center of campus. i see someone go. [indiscernible] no students around. one of my colleagues, take another step. i looked up and it's that statue . the same statute that we would blindfold with the flight and spray paint. she would look. no, as professor joseph out. i remember when you wanted to burn the damn place down. who knew they could speak?

who knew she was black. thank you. [applause] >> were going to do the q&a. help us moderate. philadelphia's own. for 22 years heated public administration work within the structures of public policy and the government career in philadelphia. he and his wife founded, and he serves as president of the two-time community foundation. he created it in honor of his son who was killed by gunfire when he was 15 years old. a 15 year olds shot by a 16 year-old with a gun and by seven general.

in their way of morning was in the true spirit of the panther party, to fight back on behalf of all of our young people and create a really dynamic foundation that is doing education and job counseling and lots of magnificent works. please welcome. [applause] >> okay. there we go. first, let me just ask you one quick question. when you, you have been through with the panther party, what would you describe or how would you describe the impact of all that? you know, that thing that is the most impact full that i think in forms what i do is this idea of

love and service. strand of a loaded question. in the future if you need someone who was in the panther party. by the way, we laugh about this. all of the people who said that there were panthers were really there we would have about 100,000 members. and our height we might have had 7,000 or 10,000 members, but what i do say is, look at their eyes when that child is in the room or when an elder is in the room. if you seek real love there, if there were not in the panther party, maybe there were there. we did this. there was a big event at columbia university in support. cornell west was on a program. i said, panthers will tell you that we were taught to have an undying love for the people or they would say, serve the people , mind, body, and assault.

that's what gets you going. that's what gets you up at 4:00 in the morning. delta because we were planters that they have special housing. here's the get house. here's some heat. we were killing with the rats and roaches and broken boilers that making it up as cold to go across town. this, when you're exhausted at the end of the day, you get off the bus or out of the car and help that elderly person with their packages at the seventh floor walkup. by the way, at 12:00 midnight when you're going to get that three or four hours' sleep the, this is what makes you get back off the bus instead between the cop who has their guns drawn and the person who is up against the wall that you haven't met before to put yourself in harm's way because you understand, i haven't met him, but they are my brother and my sister. is the idea of undying love. i said this earlier. i said, the students have a question for you.

one of them ask, what were you taught to believe? love the people, serve the people. all right. give a big hand. as a brother talked about, 45 years later, but there are conditions that still exist. if you have one point that would qualify conditions today that need to be corrected, which one would use? >> all of them. i know that such a blanket answer, but the other thing i like to talk about to my essentially corrupt and present. all black men and women, released from federal state prisons and jails. they had not had a fair trial.

when i was in prison the headsets was number three in the amount of people that it had locked up behind the soviet union and south africa. four community 500,000. now we are undisputed number one. 2 million plus people locked up. military-industrial complex. slave wages, but it's legal. slavery is not illegal, but it's legal to lock someone up because these prisoners make furniture, uniforms, t-shirts, fiber-optic cables. schools that were being examined people look at third and fourth reading scores to determine when it presents to build. those programs that i told you about that existed when i was a present of existing more. college education programs, all that is being cut.

we have to create roadblocks to jail and pathways to jim -- hill. when you have a statistic that says one in four the courage with from his school might wind up in college. when three are guaranteed to be in prison we have work to do. is the work to your doing, the work that i'm trying to do with the young people, that aggressive intervention, being there for them, not just illustrated. too many people -- 2 million people locked up, how many children are in that cycle, their grandparent, father, and know them. we need to be on the ground mentoring them before they get into the system. that is love. if you can do anything else but taken to get a slice of pizza, hot dog, that stuff matters. we talk about parenting. here's the thing, you don't have to be perfect, but please be available.

all right. were going to open the floor, but i want to take proper recognition of the founder of the black panther party, bobby fields. co-founder. i think it would be remiss if we did not give chairman bobby the microphone just to say a quick thing to the audience tonight body is in town for a speaking engagement at penn state tomorrow. >> right. >> heard about jamal here tonight. >> yes. i had to seasonal. but dick, nine raided the shattered . >> it was from there. i was called about the show. indeed become appear. what you talking about?

and said, not coming of that show. that it stuck his finger in my nose. of going to knock him out. he says, no, he scared a few. anyway, i went. i want of doing that show three times. we are all on the panel. it was just good to see. there are certain ones who really evolved in the context of all the oppression. anyway. power to the people. >> power to the people, chairman bobby. >> in an effort to entertain all of your questions commended in as many as possible, we would like to have the microphone. you would like to ask very

specific question in the shortest way possible, and then we will ask jamal to reply so that we can get all the questions accommodated. two microphones on both sides. raise your hand. i would knowledge you. the microphone will come to you, and you get a chance to ask a question. >> abcaeight. i finished the book, and it's excellent. i have a loaded question. and they put out autobiography's or do they intend to? >> working on a book. evolution of a revolutionary. it's a conversation with her, but i think i'm going to do a more extensive and more. her story is just fantastic. i can't say enough about the strength of the women in the black panther party.

a panther. became a time when the black panther party was run by women. all that was happening, especially the local chapters. although is happening with our brothers being arrested and being killed, you would walk into an office and the women without number the went to south women without demint 31. out on bail. technically we were supposed to have somebody with this. they did make it. we were cleaning up. and in the front. in the back of the back of the church to get an. this lieutenant, the policeman, about 25 cops come in with their guns drawn. yet when i'm talking u.s., the trenchcoat and the suit. he comes in there and looks

around. what is this? and said it's a food program, community program. what kind of program? beckham said earlier, i was a stupid. at and say black panther, as the community food program. this is it. they can kill us. comes out of the package is not very tall. she comes and as if this guy does not exist, as if these guns are not drawn, stands between me and his police and tennant and looks up to me and says, jamal, don't say another word to him. i was straight. i had my orders. i ignored him. you can see he was a little shook. he said, is there problem. she turned and said, yes. the problem is i don't talk to police officers. never have, never will. turned back.

look around. could not figure out what to do. the cubs put their guns away and walked out. it. >> did you ever run across. [indiscernible] have you got out of love and war? >> it's in the book that last time when we were being beaten up. they brought in the cops to positively identify us. i'm sure of to the chair. the trial was over. unbloodied. my jaw is : shut. comes in to make a positive id. unstressed to the chair. power to the people. i look up. i said, what's happened ralph. he says, you look pretty beat up there, guy. i said, well, your buddies have been torturing me for the last eight hours. i know you hate me and i no you're going to a lot of time.

another utility in top shape and come out and hunt me down and coming, but that's okay. i'm going to be training. are be ready. i have to admit to mike to this point in time there was a little hatred. at that moment confronted returned by chair so i could see him. i said, ralph, you're probably right thumb going to a lot of time. it definitely write in a minute thinking about a lot of stuff, but i'm not part to waste a single solitary second think about you. a lot of the literature are read from the sisters, they talk about the male chauvinism and the sexes and. they do talk about -- can you address that? the shooting at ucla that was

really, that we did get into -- >> those are too important, too tough questions. let me say to my tank that on the issue of chauvinism with the black panther party, a lot of it had to do with where you were. i can't deny any experience that a sister said she had in the black panther party in new york and a lot of places on the east coast like boston, up in connecticut. the sisters struggle. it would call you want it, but the brothers, we felt we were too busy running around. all the babies, chance and diapers. had to do with that.

but sisters struggle against that and introduced this conversation into the black community that we didn't have before about sexism and the male chauvinism. so any of the sisters, usually when there's time, i like them to identify that question, but i'd like to say this very clearly, and i'm proud to say it again tonight. the men of the black panther party tommy halophyte clearly, but it was the women that taught me how to be a man. the question in the back. >> i have one question. what kind of, how can i put it, did the panthers have any means, spiritual means, traders in the right, informants, did you have any type of spiritual means to know if someone was an

informant. you a check a brother or sister to see if there were an informant. you know what i'm saying? >> i do. in the early days there was an open-door policy the people kind of joining the black panther party. we would judge people on their practice. that is what people would do. their hard work and what they did. when it became clear and it first became clear that this kind of illustration was going on with our case and with the panther 21 case and many cases across the country including the cases brought against chairman bobby, it was clear that there were informants there to plant the evidence to charge of get bit is locked up for life and in german bonds case to get in the electric chair. became a little harder. it was very hard to become a

panther. we have something called the national committee to combat fascism. he had to be a community worker. it took months if not years, but you have to be careful. a people's movements. what level of paranoia and restrictions are you going to have verses what you're doing in the community. we always thought that the best way to be safe was to be among the people doing good work. that's what it was about, not so much our safety, but the community. >> the question i have, you were in prison and able to get your education. many people who have kids who might be going to college. they really had to struggle to pay for their college. what is your feeling about continuing to offer college to the people in prison for free and then people who were not in prison and have to pay a lot of money. >> it would be a better debate

if those programs existed. they're cutting them now so much counter intuitive to all the studies that show that the more education you get in prison the lower the rate of recidivism. there being cut by our liberal politicians who usually to my up against all of this conservatism . people say they're not tough. our get tough on crime. that means of getting tough on poor black folks to other criminal justice system is not serving them anyway. part two of the conversation, we used to have to fill out those pell grant forms so that colleges figured out how to get money. part three of the conversation, the mandatory that everybody in prison works. making $0.25 an hour. the labor was paid for that.

all kinds of ways that you could say it was paid for, but the really sad truth is that these programs have been cut so the you're taking of black and brown boys who are growing up in prison not because there were panthers. coming in at 14 and 15 and during all the way through the system and then coming out. no education, no skills and then all the programs, the post prison vocational training, the job programs, they have been cut you're setting up this vicious cycle of our human being part of what was called the new plantation. >> do you think the movement was stronger with the women being a part of the black panther party? >> could you repeat that. >> to you think the move was made stronger because of the

women in the movement? >> there's no question that throughout our history from the middle passage until now, slavery, all the things we're going through, without the strength of our women that we would not be here. that survey was evident to me as a young man growing up in the movement. >> i was in line to buy the panther party. being a student at temple university, i did papers. and hope on pronouncing that right. i would like to know the status. still exile in cuba? still in prison. >> the simple answer to both of those areas. still exiled and probably will be given the nature of what happened, us moving toward the

right in terms of policy, in terms of, you know, in south africa when nelson mandela became president he had truth and reconciliation hearings. we will to sit down and say listen, things happen on broadsides. let's have a conversation so we can move over. most other industrialized civilized nations of the world have a limit of the amount of time the key people incarcerated . been in prison over 30 years. been in exile. why can we have a conversation about what was happening in terms of the black liberation movements, people would take a stance, the truth and reconciliation hearings and move forward.

>> and no this has been a while. >> one more. >> and a temple university student. double major from the arts and african-american studies. my intentions are to tell stories that people may be don't want to hear or too hard to your see you have any advice for somebody like myself? >> be passionate about the stories. some people if you could link up the one tell similar stories. understand that there will be made if you make an. hollywood is just a bank now and they want people to do all the work and make the film. emerging you to tell stories. if you can tell that, you can

manage it together, tell it as a web series. check money from that. use kickstart and these other things in order to get the stories out there. away from some executive in hollywood who is really scared because the rule by fear. the temple movies, you have to make it. thus to the next paranormal activity. there is a rare "the chairman about a yes. when the panthers, he knew he had the panthers carry shotguns and lawbooks because those are the dynamic weapons of social change. if the panthers were started today there was still be patrolling the streets that there would be controlled -- patrolling the streets of video cameras a laptop computers.

>> this is not an empty jar question. communication address that situation. twenty years, ten years. he just recently received another hit from the parole board. for me the reasons and read the decisions, and most of the ones are based on the writings and what he has to say which we all know it is freedom of speech, even incarcerated. is it possible that we could begin to the address these types of situations and bring some recognition in here to try to

address the situation. >> i'm going to split my time. >> let me grab to last question. a. >> repair. >> good evening. >> at like to thank you so much for appearing here tonight. i'm really concerned, black on black crime. i really would like to know, what is your suggestion for how we can take the guns out of these your brother's hands and put books in their hands instead >> this is what i talked about earlier with this aggressive mentoring. the community, the respect, what he's doing with this foundation, similar to what i'm doing. there is nothing coming into those communities, and especially those communities, respect spending time with them.

able to turn the young lords gang in chicago in to the young lords political party. doing the same thing. getting stop pointing guns at each other and putting it into the right side in order to build community programs. that comes from policies really important. we have to work on that level. being in the community, working day by day. three days a week every day except from out on tour all day on saturday, and that's how you save lives. that's how you spark that only just adults talking, but talking to one another. that's what makes the true difference. >> as we wrap up this program that would like to answer part of your question. recently we had an anniversary year to october 2011.

the 45th celebration of the black panther party. it was also the coming out of what is now the national association of the black panther party. we have a website. that is the national association of black panther party. one of our key pillars is to address the issue of political prisoners. still unjustly incarcerated. the second issue is our young people in finding a way to pass the baton correctly. there's also a ploy that talks about the legacy of this organization and tell our story in a proper way. and we have developed a format where we can begin to engage ourselves once again in issues that are critical to people in our community and across this country. i would invite everyone to visit the website which is still a work in progress.

once you come and you're always in. we're always panthers. members are in the room right now, once again, i would like all of them to stand up. our co-founder is part of the board of the organization. were represented in about 20 cities and moving forward. many of those are. we have been serving a long time, but as far we have to have the youth. there the key decision. want to thank you all. the big hand. [applause] writing in device. i invite all of you to join his upstairs. if you have not gotten the book. many available upstairs. you can come right of