the city connected to the counterculture movement of 1960s, witnessed a series of transformative events in the decades from the assassination of mayor george moscone and harvey milk to the onset of the aids epidemic. this is just under an hour. [applause]

>> thank you so much and thank you or breathing the san francisco juggernaut as i call him the outcome of tv here tonight. it is actually -- thank you to booksmith for having me. i love to hang out the store. i am a customer more than an author and hopefully it felt keep your business over the years. the superb rib for this weather because it's very him and mike. and with tree into, people knew the hippie dippy through stereotypes about the city, but i really wanted, with "season of the witch" to tell the history of the city as batchelor had a semi-different at the same sense that the city's toughness, it's a mystery in this kind of rugged

atmosphere. many people forget this game at cisco, before they hippie era was then passed irish cat to come@catholic towns from a very traditional in many ways in the first wave of hippies they came to the city really had the drawbridge pulled up on them. many of the kids can get treatment when they adjourned problems and other medical problems. they were given a cold shouldered by the city officials, the cops harass them. so that was only the beginning of what became the very first culture war right here in san francisco. america's first culture war was a civil war within san francisco at south between these new forces, social forces that began sleeping in the city in the 1960s and 1970s with gay's.

and once that were brought to court, it became quite bloody. i read in the book is so cause him at cisco values were born with flowers in their hair. they were born howling blood thin stripes. the book though i should say death have a happy ending in the city ultimately triumphed and resolve its differences after very brutal times and with the help of a mayor who was not terribly beloved in the city at first couldn't win the office because she was a little straightlaced persimmon cisco. dianne feinstein. but she was the kind of calm in hand a stable political figure the city needed after all the trauma in the 1970s with jonestown, the people's temple, the assassinations of mayor moscone, harvey milk and so on. the city triumphed again because of the 40 niners. most people don't think of sports teams is having a

mystical power, but i think the 40 niners scummy team that merit the eccentricities of san francisco itself are very poetic. coach bill walsh more of a poet in some ways that gladiator really brought the city together with the first super bowl but dream 1882. and finally the way the city dealt with aids is pretty significant. here's a city that's gone through times over gay writes, gay the liberation in the 70s and on the streets here. and the city could have gotten really fat words. it could have slipped into the abyss at that point. people did know how to buy a suspect in the early days of the epidemic was panic that began to rise in san francisco in throughout the country. people did know whether they could eat in restaurants or gay were working or go to clothing stores in the castro.

and once again though, the city came together. and again because of dianne feinstein for leadership in part, the daughter of a dock or cumbersome and let a medical background herself come was married to a dock her. and the medical community in the city, let a summer roatan doctors and nurses that the a's were conceived at cisco general. dr. paul volcker dain, thompson's koski and others. they didn't know at that point whether they were taking home the infection and their children, families, but they stood their ground and began to treat the sick and the ailing as if they were children that we were part of the same cisco family. and that in essence is a san francisco values values is all about. we take care of our own. when the rest of the country with rejecting h. patients putting on airplanes to be flown

to san francisco in their dying days, san francisco to them in and took care of them. so we take care of our own. that is the value here. one of the key people who did that, going back to the 1960s and i'm very glad if you're with us today, dr. david smith who was the brave young doctor back in the 1960s when they were not treating the young who were on the streets, the runaways swarming into san francisco in the summer of love of 1967, st. mary's hospital and the hate to not treat young people who are having trouble overdoses, that the haight-ashbury clinic under dr. smith and his praise staff spent over $500 to open a clinic and there were hundreds of young people lined up outside the clinic. the next year they were more,

even bandages. they were treating people with problems that were more akin to problems in third world countries than a prosperous american city. but they stood their ground and that is the kind of toughness that san francisco -- people forget how tough of a town this is. because of toughness and resilience, with lasting institutions here that have become the embodiment of san francisco values and the haight-ashbury free clinic is among them. we also have a wonderful residence of the community back in those days, someone who lived across the street from the grateful dead from the maryland kreegel who interviewed the book and tell wonderful stories. i hope she tells what it's like when the heat was like a small town, janis joplin wondering around the neighborhood, jefferson airplane. so maryland, i'm glad you're here as well. i want to learn by reading a section of the book that i think

also conveys the sense of toughness. about the haight in particular. alvin walsh told me about this group, the neighborhood at best, a hero of the haight. i was amazed. i never read about this group before. a commune called for greater commune. how many people here ever heard of that commune? quite a few. that's great. it was news to me when i was doing interviews. the good earth commune had several houses in the neighborhood here. they were not coming up from the stereotype histories can a stereotypical cities. their ex-cons, vietnam veterans committee had been on the streets for a long time. they were tough and they knew they had to take care of themselves than they stood their ground. they moved into some of the abandoned houses in the area to fix them. they started businesses, a car mechanic's business, painting business, house painting

business and they became a fixture in this community at a time when other distressed neighborhoods, like the fillmore were being bulldozed by the development agencies in san francisco and that is a great tragedy of course as one is thriving black neighborhoods in san francisco that was once called the harlem of the west come at great music coming out of that neighborhood was leveled. he could've gone -- the haight could've gone in that direction as well. hard drugs were taking over the neighborhood and it took the good earth commune, in part, to stand their ground and help in the neighborhood. and that is the part of the book i want to share with you right now and then we'll go to questions and i would love to have some back-and-forth with the wall and hear from dr. smith and maryland. so this is chapter 17 the macbook, love's last stand the

haight was a war zone by the time the proper backup date are displayed their christmas eve 1969. he has seen worse. mccarthy is served up yet on the fate of nursemaid on a patrol boat in the upper mekong river in cambodia. it was the whole apocalypse he said your seder. i was terrified the whole time. the party lost a number of mayfair and i cut a lot of people. i never said that until recently he said. but mccarthy is a return to the united states, he was at treasure island in san francisco bay. he tries seeking medical illness to get a discharge, but it wasn't that far from the truth. one time or way too high on white lightning acid, he considers suicide. the reality was that he meant and it felt good to have a gun he recalled. the truly crazy ones of treasure island were the ones who clutched patches they made firm the scrotums of dead yet to be a spirit may be patched up their heads and send them back into action.

they hate back and from across the cold waters of the day. on christmas eve he was strolling in the hippie haight vineyard read about yours before in life magazine. he wasn't looking for sex, but mystical camaraderie. it was a harder connection defined in those days. as he walked down the haight streets, speed stakes were hassling anyone who went by. when a past, pulling her into the doorway, she broke when the freaks are they going after, but the navy men, high on lsd, fix them with a look of death and backed off. after vietnam it was a look that came naturally and was only enhanced by the acid. 20 yards past the told her she had a large scuffle and then the sharp crack of a gunshot. as he spun around, the young man stumbled past day my god, they shot me. the kid who ventured into the haight from an outline suburb had been shot through the thigh.

snap into action, mccarthy threw them over shoulder to where his frantic girlfriend is waiting in her father's keeper. a car thief introduction to the haight started out as pure misery. but then he got lucky. he's came on to her member member in the christmas eve two of celebration, singing and dancing an exceeding good cheer. he began talking with them. they had long flowing hair and that of women alike it's beautiful to mccarthy. even though he was trying to hide birdies from come and they took one look and knew he was military. but they received him warmly. they understood, recalled mccarthy. they knew what i was looking for. i was looking for it. mccarthy spent the night in a dilapidated house in the haight. ovide, no love, junkies crashing around. business ornately woke up, still searching. he ran into one of the young men

he talked to the day before at the ever loving trading post. keever had a strong, compact body with long hair and beard he looked like solar. i just wanted to touch that. not a fair come inside. he had enormous open heart. he has to fail or if he found what he was looking for. he said no, so keever invited mccarthy for christmas dinner at a communal house that evening. when he showed up in 1915, oak street, headquarters of the good earth commune in the mccarthy felt he was stepping into a stream of what the haight was supposed to be. pure nature story was beautifully kept with shiny oiled wooden floors and staircase and heavy velvet curtains. the high ceiling dining room was dominated by huge table that looks like it was constructed of railroad ties bolted together. the table was with food, rose, winter vegetables and mashed potatoes in the room is spilling over with people, men, women,

babies of all races, white, black, brown, k-kilo, red. mccarthy said in the chaos and took it all in. he knew he'd gone home. the good earth commune was a central part of essential ways of the heavy settlement or the communist founded in 1968 i keever until ex-convict names ciro isaacs who he met in the state prison for keever served four and half years for armed robbery. the idea came to keever while on parole the market and the rapid transit being constructed under the faith. he nsx conference to pool their resources and that communally in the haight. at first as a small group of keever and isaacs friends and and a woman who loved them, but good earth grew until it was a sprawling network of more than a half-dozen houses in the haight in the list ever-changing membership is estimated at height to number over 700 people. the good earth commune are stuck

up with the diggers had left off, but in many ways they were tougher and more resilient. the core group the core group within the commune to life for young men and women, ex-cons, vietnam veterans, streetwise runaways who knew how to survive. they called themselves the church and claimed pot as their sacrament and preached the usual peace and love philosophy. still there were no pushovers. they left the neighborhood come out that it was turning into a jungle of violent predators and vicious cops around every corner. good earth made up of a known it was prepared to stand and fight to defend his turf. at first the the self-defense took the form is simply a squirting female commune members at night from house to house to the haight greenstreet, but then it became a campaign to clean up the streets themselves. by 1970, the neighborhood was swimming with and speed, a scruffy crew of junkies have moved directly across from the good earth house at 409 cole street. the commune decided they had to go. calling the police is not

considered an option since they would probably take the opportunity to raise the good earth house, too. besides, the police had to close down the station and abandon the haight-ashbury area to the reticent tooth and claw. so one day come a group of the commune members, including mccarthy, now known as mouseman simply pay the junkies a visit and convince them to leave. good earth took over the house, fix it up and move in its own members. dealer still roam the neighborhood of 50 yada, but good earth began to run that now, too. after this not pusher named ricoh camera down the street as flashy car, nearly running over commune members including keever. the good earth crew left the dealer know what he thought of them. 10 minutes later, rico stepped out of his car with a gun. what are you going to do now he said? keever and several other commune members began walking straight at them. they had no fear. rico freaked out, a commune

member there that day. keever and his posse made it back. houston, but grown up in the missouri bible thumping family and served briefly in the air force the station on the roof of the good earth house with a rifle. i was ready to shoot if necessary he recalled. i knew how to use a rifle for my military and hillbilly that round. not long afterward, rico moved out of the haight, never to be seen again. on another occasion, sad, leo braun and many carter's numbers by their astrological nicknames witnessed a gangster wrapping up his girlfriend on the street. we sat and said ferguson. we didn't tolerate that behavior. you beat a girl and you're going to pay for. the thought and a shotgun as the vigorous man. big mistake said fergus anyway to handle it himself on the streets after being kicked out of his families house when he was just 16. which is a much late been down for haight street and he kept pointing like he was going to

shoot me. we smashed them over the head with a gun and beat him and dumped them in a trashcan and left him for dead. good earth became a solid community bulwark in a community battered by crime and became deserted by that his' authorities. some longtime residents like the free clinic dr. david smith credited the commune of saving the haight. smith knew of no other hay shed once the scores of had taken hold on its streets. good earth be the dealers because they were a warrior tribe, marveled the activists, and welch. they knew how to fight. thank you. [applause] that's your history, haight. ewart test. so i'm going to take questions now and would love to hear from you, particularly the neighborhood residents like

marylynn, dr. smith. he went to say a few words? >> thank you, david. this is actually fascinating and david has laid an important role in our history. he has to share memories and our favorite story, but so many south governments were talking. our sub one played the good earth in touch football. >> you're brave. >> over there and keys are. >> who won? >> that's my story. we had a cheerleading squad at haight-ashbury and their chair with some like it hot, some like it cold. we like it anyway, go team, go. i do know she's going to

identify herself, but i see one of our former cheerleaders. [laughter] she probably wants that story -- [inaudible] >> i think he told the country here, david. >> the way the game ended, the fallback from the individual you just named was racing for the gametime touchdown and our ceo, richard frank, a former wrestling champion knocked him out of bounds and saved hifi. fortunately, since he was originally champion, he subdued him. we won the game and everybody smoked a joint after. [laughter] i mean, that was the way it was. he had the fillmore played a haight-ashbury and the good earth commune and that's the way it was. this book brings back so many memories. we used to have this building for a rehab center.

announcers we had our board of directors of which many of the people with mike's opinion were there and that's what we had dianne feinstein on our board of directors and has been a champion of our clinic ever since. i just saw her month ago. and anyone that thinks the haight remembers when i came to dianne, she says it's in the past. so it is flawed here with those memories. it's the whole 40 niners, watching the game and my story, which david asked to share with you was 1967, the world you just described, the neighborhood was totally crazy. i'm graduate of the pc netcenter

netcenter -- [inaudible] it was a sign of career failure and mental illness. and what happened, we were built on rock 'n roll, the concerts and all the celebrities on business. i said i would try to get a donation from them. [inaudible] so, we were told among the volunteers said the day care center or something like that. [laughter] so, what i did was i were at jones general during the day and a haight-ashbury clinic at night.

so [inaudible] we had dinner at one of the restaurants just down the way and i told everybody arthur preminger was going to commonness might he an opportunity for a donation for us. we had a lot of volunteer doctors who called it. nobody checked anybody's credentials. patients -- you couldn't tell us who is the patients, staff, whoever. so the volunteer position was over at the medical center. his name was whatever. the next day i was up at the center and i heard his name being paged. so i go to see him. well it's that doctor. [laughter] dr. whatever sad i had my license dolan.

so the person who is masquerading as dr. whatever was dr. whatever. so i come back and i said we have a problem. so i went in the back room and confronted dark or whatever. i said this could close the clinic that i has to be simple medical question, which he didn't get. i said this is very serious. he proceeded to throw a chair at me, go running down the hallway what the is angels chasing him, running down the street and in 1967 if you ran down the street coming out about a hundred people after you. i'm not sure about her --

[inaudible] and he was scared out of his mind. so anyway, that's my story. [laughter] [applause] >> and that story, by the way isn't in the book, but coming on paperback. [laughter] >> it must've been the same day or the day before. someone from the dead came across the street and said take this guy around the haight. and so i took arthur preminger who is very short, this very gorgeous, blonde young man.

so i moved into the haight in the early 60s because i could afford to live here. as a schoolteacher in the outer mission. and you know, i think i made $5000 a year as a schoolteacher and i was really glad to live in this neighborhood. he was amax neighborhood, a lot of working-class. so i felt as a single woman i had moved into a real community because then i became counselor i didn't know anybody. and within a very short period of time, i was in a community. i had a family. and of course the family that i ended up with was the grateful dead across the street from a third-floor walk-up. and this is the story that

has -- you know, done a lot of things in my life, but nothing has gotten me more credit. and especially with my kid, who is now almost twice the age i was when i was living here. so i was a disaster of actually the six-day war, where i last the guy i thought was going to be my life partner. my life partner of 40 some ideas is sitting over here. and that summer i was supposed to have met him in israel. and of course i didn't go because of the six-day war and notice a loose ends and i ended up because the hunt st. clinics

throughout enough you guys are member designs that said, take the trip to and the draft or lebanese carrier. i should've come over to the clinic and knock on their because they were using disposable needles and i got a blood test and i became really ill with hepatitis within six weeks. and i mean, really ill as and i couldn't pick up the telephone to make a call. and people i've taught ways put a sign up outside my door with a morning, with breakfast three meals a day, early morning, late at night for people to sign up and take care of me. and did dad filled in most of those times and took great care. i had food.

i had my linens chain just. people help me to the bathroom. all those things that only come from family, when a family is taking care of you. so around that time that it was recovered enough to get out of bed and sit in my wing chair and looked out the window, the view i had was down ashbury street and across to the death house. i watched the big famous bus go down. and so i sat there and i just noted who is taking away and who was allowed to run away. little mary, 60-year-old neighborhood kid who eventually died of an overdose in our neighborhood was let out of the house. but i noticed that gery and

mountain grove were taken. so i sat the window and waited. when they came home from the grocery store. >> you may jerry garcia? >> jerry garcia. when they finally pulled up in part, i opened the window and just started shouting my god, i thought you'd never get cure. i need that so bad and they just looked. and they came upstairs. and for mountain girl, it was crucial because she had dirty been busted for pot and ken kesey and probably would've gone away at that time for many years. the narcs were a real problem in the neighborhood.

there were a lot of bus for no reason at all. there was a lot of set up of people who weren't holding drugs. and so that is my story of space mountain girl and jerry. [applause] >> thank you, marylynn. >> why don't we open up for questions? anybody have any questions? >> hi, my name is cozy. i was fortunate enough to look up jbm's and i came here and an obscure movie called the great men of evil tar van. and everyone when i arrived here, i think my first thanksgiving was spent with the the cockettes.

my first christmas was spent with the hulk from over an east that i am being that was just in the middle of this glorious. i mean, coming from london where we were so gray and tight and even the big rock stars only made 20 pounds a month. and when i met her dad, what really struck me was the inclusiveness. and if you know come to you that one coming in at 40. but this is completely alien to me. i came up for three months and that was 40 years ago. and because i was in music, i looked at your music list at the back and was delighted to see you had tracy nelson downes solo. i mean, that song. that's great. thank you. great book. >> just another shout out, one

joseph fm radio and a san francisco in many ways is the cradle. tom donohue and the other great pioneer spirit that was pre-internet. it was fm radios have really pulled together the youth culture. it was a secret society, the music on, the messages we automated to your to keep us in touch with each other. for a kid like me growing up in the suburbs of l.a., it is what made me feel same that i could turn on the radio at night and hear music and there was longsword of wended, just wraps up to dj with you in those days. no commercial, no jingle. one shadow troopers in the front row, someone i should acknowledge in the book. in other hero, of san francisco, alyssa florez who participated, i have to say, in the first point that i know i've peered behind the green door remake, a

version of that back in the 80s air a. so tell them, missy, thank you. [applause] >> yeah, i would like to ask dave what he was doing. [laughter] >> that is my next book. any other questions? >> so what happened to the good earth commune? >> well, that's a sadder tale. they had a strict, you know, part of their revenue was part dealing, but the district policy against doing hard drugs. after a few years, started coming into the city and there is a heated debate within the commune circle. they are sort of a governing group about how the characterize

cocaine, whether it's a hard or soft drug. fatally and tragically they decided cocaine is a soft drug and was okay to deal. they started making a lot of money. it created a lot of tensions within the group. they had to beef up their security because it brought a harder element around and they fell prey to the hard drugs and that they came in fighting in the group split up by the mid-70s. but happy now, i found them because they're all online. there's a forum that all the survivors together are a very vibrant forum and they not only go over the old days and all that, but she can really see what these people's ideas were another seven cisco values are still alive in their hearts. it's really great. >> any other questions? >> obviously people in san francisco seems unreal between a

cult leader that was very influential in local politics that led a massive cheer and asked them digamma to having a politician murdered, two other politicians. those kind of elements. so when terms are when you were writing this book will look at the kinds of things he tried to think about in terms of making it accessible to the rest of the country that might not be familiar with how much craziness in san francisco, but also making them understand how great of a city it is. >> yeah, it was tough. that's why the book is divided into three parts. the enchantment is the first part of the 60s, starting with the summer of love and terror, the middle section of the book was san francisco does fall into this very dark. come as you say, zebra and zodiac murders, the kidnapping of patty hearst, jim jones and

peoples temple and how jim jones inserted himself into the liberal power structure in this town and really compromised figures of the city like harvey milk and mayor moscone and the assassinations. one thing after the next. but you know, i do think the city came out, with its values intact and stronger than ever. the same cisco values of tolerance, of an openness to the newcomer to change some experimentation i think are deeply embedded in the city. and now that we've won our own civil war and those values are enshrined, it's the rest of the country reveling with him right now. it's only as recent as president of hamas embrace of gay marriage last week. so i'm proud of the city. i think it's a laboratory for the new, a laboratory for new ideas for medical marijuana to

gay marriage, two immigrant sanctuary, a lovable, you know, minimum wage, universal health care, which is something that her smith in free clinic popularized. health care is a right, not a privilege. all of these values find out your person same cisco and on the rest of the country to the horror of fox news is grappling with them. so i say right on, san francisco. [applause] >> i want to give an anecdote to your comments. [inaudible] to go back east to broaden my horizons of a chinese girl. i thought it was one of the arpa said the united states actually.

but he ended up with my first job in richmond, virginia and my landlady, lambert to be, their last name was the, so we called them the grandfather of the neighborhood. they had never met in asian before. in fact, one week and they invited whole family to come see an asian. and one of the relatives is disappointed because i was not worried one of those ching dynasty cubes. when i told them i was from san francisco, they think you mean that city of san? [laughter] [applause] >> i'm so glad with so many wonderful friends at the neighborhood tonight. >> you spoke of the old-school irish americans who are here. is there anyone who is like a

liaison between the old images that were that were sort of heroic? >> yes, in fact in my book said i wanted to write a history of san francisco as if dashiell hammett had written it. the opening was the carrot or vincent hallinan, the crusading lawyer who grew up in very irish catholic, you know, family, but reject did a lot of what he had grown up and and became the link to the new. he starts off assertive and nick and nora character with his beautiful life. i tell this wild story of the murder case we are involved in the 1930s. he was defending frank egan, the public defender in this town and thought of as the next mayor the city. it turns out frank egan incher fashion was running a racket where he was using ex-cons to bump off elderly women and steal

their pensions and their savings. so anyway, it was a wild story commentary stand and cisco. but then al-anon goes on to harry bridges, the fbi and the federal government and the cold war: after harry bridges and were relentless in doing so, determining if two term in prison because you're such an labor leader. vince was a great chance in a civil rights. events under progressive rights ticket. the fbi goes with everything he has and is thrown in prison on tax charges twice, but he raises his rally brewed up tough irish kids. tearing callanan who lives in this neighborhood rather, his brother patrick who has gone on as lawyers themselves. and terry of coors was the of san francisco. the only da who was given a hot fix by janis joplin and nearly

overdosed and live to become da of san francisco. so this is a book they really told itself i have to say. the stories and characters are truly larger than life. >> just after that, the mike's opinion and brian brightman worked in hallinan's office and they were the guys who started halo, ashbury political organization and ran out of baghdad's front parlor. it was a victorian house and they were providing medical services to all the kids back up is to in the neighborhood. >> it's true. vince callahan was the godfather for a whole new generation of top lawyers like brian and michael and also tony sir who went to defend among other

things the good earth communes when they were subject to to one after the next. [inaudible] >> that's a good chapter. and by the way, that is michael vagaries suggested that, another great hero of san francisco, a great photographer and some of his photographs are featured in the book. michael has been a longtime photographer going back to the first glory days of bill walsh and joe montana and maybe we are seeing bands begin again. so thank you, michael. [applause] >> i think we have time for a couple more.

>> i just want to follow up on michael's story, michael's companion and that group of lawyers. he was the chairman on the board at haight-ashbury clinic and callanan organized the freedom riders upon mississippi. i had never heard anything like that and now is the first time i got the idea of disaggregated health care in this and we would go to their office at 81980 and there is hallinan and that mixes also willie brown. [inaudible] would testify in court cases for

tony sir and my feet was tony would tell me stories. he was incredible storyteller. he was not good of finance. his idea he would drive a car comic is so many ticket and let the police take it away. he never paid any bills. >> i just to say when david called me up to be interviewed about the book, i said god, cannot even remember that time. and it was a really rare moment in the sun and hunter thompson was the manager of the theater and i have lived with bernie mitchell and then jim mitchell. and david talbot came and asked if he could follow wes and i was actually going out -- [inaudible] >> i just want to make that clear. >> i used to go on polk street and pass out condoms to the

prostitutes. when the fab five were arrested, they would take a mint in the poke holes in all the condoms. it is very rare that we share that. tanks for shedding light on that. i [inaudible] >> can you talk a little bit about the trajectory -- [inaudible] >> what is your name?

[inaudible] >> of course. just briefly, i think it all comes to a head. i mean, the cops were sort of the lead bastion of old san francisco and seem parochial schools together at an all boys network. and there was a lot of great police work they did, particularly in some of the cases i read about, the deeper case towards a democrat to the city was on the verge of racial civil war by the time the case was cracked. but yeah, there's a lot ff pd has to answer. so while the tension starts to boil over jury in may moscone's tenure when he tries to reform the police department and brains than an outsider initially he will appoint one of their own as she come he brings in the outside reform or, charlie dean and all breaks loose. people are probably in death

threats in the police bathrooms. at one point, mario st. james, another san francisco hero, organizer of the prostitutes union taiyo d., she has some good friends and clients among the san francisco police force. one of them tipped her off one night to the fact that charlie gaines was going to be killed that night, up sensibly by cops and he was speaking somewhere and she wanted him to get home as quickly as she could -- as he could. so this is the kind of violent tensions burned within the city over reform. because what moscone wanted to do was open the police for us to minorities. it was very white at the date and they wanted to fight it tooth and nail, to gay and two women. so we'll mayor moscone a great debt because of course he came out of that world himself. he was a sign of san francisco, had been a basketball star at

saint ignatius and the scene is a traitor by many kids, the man he grew up with that later became part of the power structure. i [inaudible] [inaudible] >> well, i want to say one thing. it's illustrated with that chapter i read about good earth communes because that gentleman, robert mccarthy was a vietnam veteran. he came to the haight and was embraced by the people here. when he was in pain come he was obviously on the brink of a nervous break down coming out of

his experience in vietnam. he was not spat on, not rejected. these lives spread by hyper nationalist, patriotic types, the right wing. you know, for the most part are completely groundless. and in this community, in the city, veterans were warmly embraced. for the hedgerow problems, when they were in dire need and no one else is taking care of them, not families, not the patriotic types, it was hippie san francisco that took them to the heart and take care of these men. >> i really wanted to reinforce that, david. the source of culture that started here over on waller. and the haight-ashbury clinic, the nonjudgmental approach, all the vets in the 70s came to our clinic for detox and medical problems and the va decided they needed to fund wherever the vets

went and that was when the haight-ashbury clinic on its first government funding. i recall being over here in the block and government officials came across it wanted to give me money. i said last year he tried to arrest me and now you want to give me money. it was a vietnam vet. it has a very rich history are rock madison was glen ross psychokinetic that era, country joe and the fish. but it really caught the violence of that era over here on the haight's streets, and squad came down. i can see right now they had this big shields. they beat all the hippies about 1968. [inaudible] >> right, i was standing up there and i came down because they were just beating the out of this kid. i came down and they started whacking with a night stick. and i think the great thing about san francisco was the

journalist son. herb caen wrote in his column the next day about how we got beat up and he don't even get beat up during wartime. they have this liberal, journalistic force of state to change the establishment into backing out. certainly you have chronicled that very well. >> well coming thank you everyone for coming tonight. books are for sale at the front counter and david talbot will be signing at the front. so go ahead and continue the conversation at the same table. >> and thank you to booksmith. [applause] >> thank you very much for coming in tonight. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> david talbot ceo and founder of salon. for more information visit salon.com.

>> this book is about women, but you also talk to men. let's talk about what the men are saying. let's focus on the man because he talks to much the women. but the men are who we love, stand by. talk to me about the ones who are standing up with their women and accepting change because of job situations that time for this is what they chose walking in the door. and those who are intimidated or turned off. >> right, okay. all of those men are in the book. go back to the michigan hudsons who were so supportive of their wife. one thing they said explicitly they were bred -- breadwinners. they want more time with their children. there do more domestically competent than we give them credit for. so these guys were very intent

upon spending more time with their children than their dads had been able to spend with them. i love my dad come he's a great guy, but he was able to be around when i was growing up and i want to be around. so this situation for them enabled them to spend more time with their children and they were very happy about that. so that is one of the really positive outcomes for man in the situation of one of the reasons these guys were very supportive and perceived benefit of not being yoked to being a provider. now we also know that the recession really started the laminated to changes in the economy because three quarters of the people who lost jobs in the recession where man. a lot of his/her fact or jobs in construction jobs, some of which will come back and some will not. a lot of guys have paid off. one of the things we don't get women enough credit for as a lot of women kept household afloat during the recession. you know, wives and girlfriends.

this is not true during the depression when women were not in the workforce are not supposed to be in the workforce. one of the things that kept a recession for being a depression was the fact that we did have working and earning limits to keep the household afloat because they were nurses in the health care industry. they were willing to take lower paying jobs that they were able to keep household afloat. we know that when men lose their jobs, they become more like me to leave a marriage. men in general are reluctant to leave marriages. they will hang in there longer than women well. but studies show when they lose a job, when they can't be the provider, sometimes the psychological and emotional impact of that is so great that they leave the marriage. and obviously it can be enormously hard on them when they lose their jobs and that identity is a provider is taken away from them. studies have also shown during

this recession that men were appreciative and grateful of wives and girlfriends keep in their households afloat. the sociologist is an important study. she interviewed these guys and they send you to have her and i got up early and made her coffee because she was the one going off to work. and i think that does suggest there's been a mindset. you know, during the depression when women kept household afloat, maybe they were taking in boarders or whatever, they were not praised in their households. they were stigmatized, working wives were. has been so devastated by the loss of their own jobs, the women were regarded as having taken a job from a man. but even though it's difficult, there is more gratitude and more appreciation and works at dens by men who've lost their jobs in the recession of what their wives or girlfriends are bringing to keep the household afloat, even though it is hard enough on them but it does make

them more likely to leave a marriage than they ultimately would be. >> you touched on an important project. some men felt that traditional role when he lost a job. they were not in that traditional role. and in reading the book, i thought retaliation. friends talking to friends. and i know a lot of men who have lost their jobs and wives are taking over the homes financially and otherwise because they just can't find themselves. talk to me about the retaliatory measure. >> that's what i said. for example, this young woman at texas governor has been told her she was physically unattractive. >> and they want to housework either. they won't do anything. they see the home is still a masculine role. >> i interviewed one woman who had employed her boyfriend because he was well educated, but not that successful

professionally. she had employed him and that was ultimately problematic for them. it's not on this problematic because there is wives who include there has been assigned. she had been doing sort of a guardianship business and he was helping her, but she was feeling he was retaliating and not helping around the home, so she started the spot and was working really, really hard to make this spa word. in one night she stayed up really late. she was having a spa party for like a wedding and there were more people than she expected. she stayed up all night, came home in the wee hours of the morning and he was mad at her. and even though she was the breadwinner. the poor thing said what have i done to make you so angry? and he really wouldn't tell her. obviously the fact that she was gone -- he said he didn't call. she said politely so tired i

climbed in the manicure chair and went to sleep at 5:00 in the morning. so there was retaliation. he actually took her car out and wrecked her car. there is more than one incident of wrecked vehicles or vehicles on the site retaliation against a personal property of the woman was something i would have told -- >> you have to spend your money to fix something. >> am going to take her vehicle, but i'm not going to take care of it. again, you get back to the independence of fact. the women i talked to in this patella tory situations karnataka and realized they were ultimately better off out of them. i would argue with the guy is going to react this way come he's not necessarily somebody want to be partnered with for your life, even the best of circumstances. ..