numerous church leaders to promote wise loss. they sow requires the false left right political paradigm and approaching public policy from a principal perspective. >> a lot of times it synonymous. it think this this dichotomy. in the varying areas of interest the support the government using coercion to force people of the things. basic elements are fief and we should be free and unrestrained to choose how we want to do. the persuasion that should be used to try and get people to the right thing. i see it as between persuasion

and support. aside from blood down the libertarian position based upon persuasion where lasorda's used a lot of parties, conservatives and liberals support the varying areas of interest-free. >> with that harry reid. this is politics make him a bad mohrmann, a good mormon? >> it depends the last. i find some of the objectionable them i don't necessarily play that to mean is a bad moment. certainly planning may have differing applications of the underlying principles. my name with the book is try to bring those principles more to the surface and suggest more consistent application. discussion i don't think should

be is he a good mormon men. if you're not correctly applied these principles to politics back and apply to conservatives, liberals, everything in between what is an inconsistency and here's how it's being misapplied the same issue with mitt romney on warfare. a fund is position on war for to be "repugnant. i don't think that means he's a bad moment. i simply think that he is inconsistent in applying the principles of the bill clinton believe in to his positions. >> what can we learn about moronic as a potential person. >> it's a good question with the election coming up. by no means the system and run the buck. many people have asked the question, and i think it's a fair on. what can be learned is what his fate for presents. many people see him as the public reflection of what a mormon is.

taking away the veneer, at this book and suggested people what a mormon in my view should believe it comes to politics. i think the see the dichotomy between what america for and what is now advocating and the campaign trial but certainly within the question is about that romney or harry reid any number of more medieval him, it helps the understand why doctrines are and how they might suggest an alternative course. >> one of the underlying themes is the separation of church and state corrections an important theme. it's a phrase that's used by many people. we tell what the state into the.

church leaders and speaking against the canada, many people have seven and a church was involved in california. i think it's perfectly legitimate. indian religious and loans. seven as a basic premise. been beaten his these need to see more ovenware. >> where you live. >> of 11 you tom. >> of what the duke. >> our web developer by trade. recently a star of a libertarian think tank trying to spread the message at the state level who. >> and what is the tenth amendment center. >> an organization with which i presume it was affiliated. i was the director of the utah chapter. it's a great national organization of the incentive which is to help see legislators pushed back against the federal criminal law and constitutional

lines. for example with obamacare back with the tenth amendment center position would be no where the constitution allows the federal command given the authority been been. >> and an en what will they learn about the church of latter is since. >> to learn some of the essential doctrine's upon which our faith is based. in mid belief in a modern living profit. we believe the revolution continues to come from god and can direct our individual lives and public policy. and the other things he says should be applied, and when that's myself as an insignificant person teaching his issues are some one in a

position of being in love to revise be. >> who is marry him. >> a member of church, very high-ranking. think he was a great uncle who the. he was an ardent opponent of socialism. academic conversation was more communism and socialism when a carry the same thing. the room in the markets plus. when he was very outspoken in his views, the importance of individualism and, the basic principles upon which the various based and an uncertain

tsk unfortunate five lahood five. in migrating westward. he is the governor of the territorial area. he was kind of the head of church and state for carlyle before ito was a great -- >> what do we learn from his political involvement? >> it's hard when the same person as both a religious head and the political head. there are certainly many concerns with some of the things

that were done because of the direction mixture between the two. nothing initial it separates. he was quite outspoken in the importance of self-reliance in helping people to become independent. that was one of the core messages. the importance of responsibility . we should not in the government's did take care one another. i should be doing that to one another. predicated on responsibility. helping one another. from a seed implemented across. he was colonizing it. think we could use a little more than today. >> back to your book latter-day liberty. you're right those who don't know any better might be led to believe that the libertarian party is the natural home of libertarians. the proper embodiment of the political system.

>> i disagree with that. and that's one of the concerns i have many people tell me it's small or zero. the . libertarians are found anywhere and everywhere. many of disenfranchise the polytechnic their independent. in utah, the members of the republican party. again, as if trying to in the book, i don't think our conversation should be about parties. should be about principles. what i define as libertarian is merely someone who supports the political philosophy of liberty. you can be a member of any party or no party, but i think their is a danger to apply labels to people and say, well, you are members of the libertarian party, therefore this is what you believe. loretta talk about the principles, issues, and we can infiltrate or be members of any party or no party. we should be talking about ideas and affiliations.

>> practically when it comes to election time, where does that leave you? jerry johnson for president, the libertarian party candidate, mitt romney, the republican? >> every person has to decide that. considering voting for gary johnson. civil libertarians are disenfranchised with the two-party system. the candid it's the system produced a more attractive find a way to that agitate for liberty. ron paul has been a great person to advance that message. gary johnson is doing his part. many libertarians disagree that a candidate, even a libertarian leanings one would be able to be true to his principles. so stacked against the principles of liberty, the inertia that is involved, many people become disenfranchised. ready to focus more on education, persuasion, and getting people to be self-reliant, take care of themselves so that they're not dependent upon the government to be that of others focusing so much in the presidential election will have a significant

a consequentia of comfort liberty. even if we get someone like ron paul r. gary johnson involved other than simply spreading the message, having a bully pulpit, finding ways to present issues to people and get them to think about liberty, not necessarily to legislate liberty or the city of order, opposed the ready, but to have avenues by which we can spread the message more effectively. >> you read about natural law in this book. >> natural law is an easy turn to use to people who are not religious, who believe in the ability to be free of any course of restraint some other people that are redstone come from government, they come from our any humanity to reassess latter-day saints we believe that god exists, has given us these rights. we derive them from him. if you talk to an atheist, agnostic, someone who may be -- some natural law is a different definition of the same underlying principle, and that is our rights come from us and not from government. whether we receive this race because of our any humanity in

the fact a real human beings or because we are god's children, the precedent being, how those rights came to us but not so much important in terms of what government should do as is the fact that government has not given us those rights, we have delegated to government certain powers. it is a great way to kind of unified people around the message of liberty whether they believe that our liberty comes from god are not. >> connor boyack come as a libertarian and mormon, how do you come down on practical issues such as the war on drugs, game marriage to let things like that. >> certainly important issues. in the book the first half is all about principles and theology, setting the framework for liberty is. the second half of the book dedicate one chapter to many of these issues, one of which is the war on drugs. it's easy to believe the conventional, the superficial, what is in the media, the war on drugs is good. drugs may be bad. cocaine will be sold at every street corner if we legalize drugs. i really try and dig deep into

the issues this safer understand liberty what is the proper application? the war on drugs, i don't have the right to progress against you because you want to grow marijuana plant and ingested. to the extent that drugs are used in crime, certainly that introduces the up originally to talk about government intervention, but to the extent that a person is doing what they want, even if it's something i disagree with, especially as a mormon, i think that we have a moral code, i am not going to enforce that upon others as long as they are not violating my right. i therefore can't delegate to the government the power to do that on my behalf. so same-sex marriage, for example, i don't believe that the government has the right to sanction any personal relationship. it should be an institution of the churches, a personal contract to the extent that we allow government to control the nature of our relationships, something that i find to be a very sacred relationship that god has instituted, i don't like giving government the power. whenever government is given

that power, the authorities centralize an institution. it becomes a political game to determine through elections toucan when that power and then impose whenever they want, their own social dictates on other people. i think there is a breath of same-sex marriage. we feel it's a violation of guts to finish in a marriage. i don't think legislatively we should use that as the proper mechanism. at the extricating government altogether is the proper weight. we can have our own definition of marriage. you can call it what you want. i credit largely to baptism. we would seek out if the government started dictating the manner and method of baptism, and yet many churches have different methods. so one person might be baptized according to the terms and conditions of their church and their beliefs. i don't want that imposed upon me. and not going to impose upon them. the marriage should be returned to the churches. many issues like that, i think the ultimate solution, is to be

something to voluntary associations that we can resolve. let's give the government out of it to reduce the government to its proper size and scope which is defending the portions of property and defending aggression. >> so are those positions that you have just enunciated, are they in contrast or conflict, with the mormon church? >> the mormon church is a very diverse group. many people define the mormon church as the leaders. you know, i don't know how the leaders of. that is a private think. especially in recent years they have taken on the various strong political neutrality. they believe that mormons, members of our church can make could members of any political party or no party. and so it's hard, even when you draw the statistics out. the number of mormons are conservatives are republican, it's hard to say what momism represents politically. i advocate that it should be more libertarian, but when you look at polls, when he looked at voting records, utah, for example, a prevalent number of mormons, by no means is a

libertarian to plan the current that is getting all of these periods on trying to advocate a change. i think those trends are deviation from what the principles of our faith far. i like to pull more people towards liberty. but right now that is quite far off. i have a lot of work to do. >> connor boyack has been our guest on book tv. this is his book, "latter-day liberty: a gospel approach to government and politics". thank you for joining us. >> appreciated. >> book tv on c-span2. next weekend down here on the national mall, the national book festival will be taking place. september 22nd and 23rd. book tv will be live both days for the 12th annual national but festival. david maraniss, daniel juergen, sally smith, david and julie nixon eisenhower, tom friedman, those would be some of the guests featured at the national book festival this year. join us on book tv on c-span2.

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