for and extended list of links to various publications in 2012's notable book selection of the booktv's web site booktv.org or our facebook page, facebook.com/booktv. >> mark binelli, contributing editor at rolling stone magazine who grew up in the detroit area returns to the city to present a history and profile the influx of artists, environmentalists and city planners who are reemerging the urban landscape. this is a little under an hour.

[applause] >> thank you all for coming. i have to say first i am honored that mark asked me to be part of this world trends from ann arbor where we went to college and we are both editors at the college newspaper. i knew then that mark was from the area like i am, but i didn't know his passion to write history and the stories here can that leads to my first question which is what led you to want to write this book? remember you calling me when you were starting to work on it and said i want to write a book about detroit and so do i. but this turned out to be a very different book than most of the others. >> i said that a little tiny bit when i went out to lunch the first time and you were one of the first people, thank you first of all for doing this but

i guess i have always been drawn to detroit. i thought for the longest time that it would turn out to be a novel, that seemed like the way to go. when i came back in 2009 for rolling stone i decided to do a piece on the auto show. this was january of 2009 so you were here. it was the chrysler and gm on the brink of bankruptcy, a former mayor was in jail, before it had become sort of posters city of the recession basically. seeing reporters come not only from all over the country but all over the world to cover the

story but also to gawk in a weird sort of way, take a few photos, and use before it as a metaphor for whatever was happening in the country. that is around the time i called and you were like a good luck, but. i did believe that someone from the area, i could hopefully bring more and sensitivity to the topic suspects and that nuance includes things like humor. so often if someone comes to detroit for a few days, most hired narrative, again, as you know, detroit is a city with fascinating characters and you talk to people and take pictures

of empty buildings with nobody in the picture. >> one thing that struck me about the book is not about the buildings but the people. in some cases the people you happened across, not talking heads or public officials, just people you mess. that is one of my favorite stories in the book, the day that you go down to the site of the original trainer, and the pontchartrain hotel on it empty, and one of them was this guy, and wanted to topple about tony, how you met him and why you include him in this book. >> sort of a telling moment, i guess i love that kind of moment and it happens i have been reading a lot of detroit history

and not long after i got here. a lot of people here know that near the plaza, cadillac, there is a statute and that is where the forum was, a sunny day in the fall and decided to make my way down, hand a week day, this guy tony approached me and looked like he might be a street guy, i thought it would be for money and i was reading and he pulled out battered paperback books out of his pocket, the world according to guard, talked about how much he loved john irving, he started telling me

about his experience in the prison system and showing me his different scars and bullet wounds and eventually starts telling me that people don't want to mess with him and he yanks up his sweatshirt and had a giant machete and an ax, and said totally straight faced high am a licensed car purchaser and license to carry my tool. that was -- >> that is detroit. >> great. for the purposes of my narrative detroit moment and tony and antoine, there was a lot of sort of resonance. >> you are telling the story of the city through these characters you are meeting but one of the things that struck me is you are not so much making --

you are making observations, not making judgments and there's not that much analysis in the book. is really a story of what it is like to be here now and live here now and you tie that in nicely with the history. >> appreciate you saying that. i have been doing a lot of interviews last few days, people want analysis and a sound bite. i did a bunch of radio interviews with people in different parts of the country and what should we do? fix detroit, these ridiculous questions. i told the my did not write a policy bookend of fiat i could answer questions in 30 seconds i would be announcing my candidacy for mayor. i tried to talk to people and

sort of left detroit ears tell their story and the history of the ridge and some multi layered. >> another really striking part of the book for me was about the blues concert, not really far from where i grew up. where i live now in fact i have been over ritter and not sure i have seen anybody else actually pick up on the fact that things like that still go on, that is a neighborhood that if you went over and drove through you would really think almost nobody lives there. >> this is interesting, it is a part of detroit where you go

down -- the grass is here and in the summer, you really feel like you are standing in the country or something. i found it really fascinating away people kind of take ownership of that and sometimes turn it -- not an asset exactly but make something of it, someone who happens to be a cousin of j. l. lewis. >> related to tom barrow, a couple times. >> of course, yes. everybody -- he started having these -- block fields that had once been densely populated with residential houses and he had these blues concerts' every

sunday during the summer and is a really great seemed to come house and that is another thing in detroit, you feel like you're in clarksdale, mississippi, minutes away. >> you are from this area. after an arbor, mostly lived other places and then you come back to detroit to try to tell the story. tell me about the things that surprise you about the city, things you found that were different that you didn't expect or things you found that were the same. >> the first thing that surprised me was how much i liked living here. full disclosure, when i decided to do the piece i moved away in 93 and my family still lives

here so i never really -- a year never went by that come back a couple times. if you have a real extended stay, like planting myself here i wasn't sure how that would go because i have a life in new york i liked and i kind of thought i would approach it as a regular reporting gig where i would report, work really hard for a week, get everything done that needs to be done and retreat back to new york. it didn't work out that way and i find myself spending more time here than in new york, making more friends and being inspired by kinsfolk like what you just mentioned, sort of -- there's an interesting energy that it is hard to put your finger on,

cooper who live quote in the book is not native, she moved here in the 80s and longtime journalist and really smart thing for about detroit and she talks about how detroit is a place where people are doing things everyday that you are not expected to do and people coming home from work not patrolling their neighborhoods because there are not police, reclaiming vacant lots, turning into gardens or a bird concert tour boarding up vacant houses, there's a chapter in the book about detroit, that surprised me, the extent of that and how real and inspirational that can be. >> some of the characters you

come across in your journey in this book are familiar characters, characters we see written up all the time in reference to detroit. one of them is tyree guyton who lives not too low far from me and where i grew up and i don't know how many different things i have read about him, i have met him several times. this treatment of him was very different than anything else i had seen and i wanted to read a couple graph of how you captured him and talk more about it. at the end of the section that says he had been pondering why he did what he did and how we got to this point in his life, waving his arms skyward he believed in a purpose for all of us. the sky did look strikingly beautiful this morning. got back to my car everything was fine.

shoebox earlier, a pheasant had gone across our path. we seemed to cry out once delighted. one so inclined might have interpreted the moment as auguring something good. ted is a really hopeful such a phrases you put together around a guy who i am not sure i have ever seen described quite that way. >> that was another thing i just stumbled upon. he is definitely somebody who has been rubout a lot so i have a list of those people who are wanted to reach out to especially when i first arrived, not sure what direction of the book would be. i somehow got an e-mail, his wife responded and said he doesn't do interviews. all right. and then i was hanging out with these other people and other people and this guy ridge feldman who was a long time

labour activist, a really interesting person. mark rudd, who is from the weather underground in the 70s happened to be in town doing a reading so this guy ridge was taking him on the floor and i tagged along and we ended up at the heidelberg project and tie really happened to be there. everything just seemed kind of weird the fortuitous. i had never talked to him before and he was very devout and out of the blue started asking us about god and we were standing in the street he was left for dead when he reclaimed it in the 80s and he turned is into this really you could say an international tourist destination and you can see

people from all over so i don't know. >> he is not a celebrity in the book, he is just a guy. >> happened to pull up in a pickup truck checking out the flags attached to one of the houses. i would much rather present a character, especially well-known character like that in the sort of setting where it is slightly -- the camera is slightly off kilter rather than sit down with him and do a formal interview and have talking points to get the same story. >> i will indulge myself. i work at some of the newspapers but you write a lot about press coverage of the city in the book, particularly local press coverage. the first time use force of does it with that is the headline about crime in the city and i

thought one of the tricks to writing about detroit is not assuming it is one thing or the other, not assuming it is these things and not both but all those things and trying to figure out how they all coexist and fit together and you did a good job of something like murder which we get a lot of coverage for, violence is a real presence in people's wives, good job capturing how it is both surreal, you as an outsider and some of the headlines you see, but it is a very real presence for people here. >> you are right. it is one of those -- there were several aspects of the story that have been told so often and in such a caricatured way i struggled with how to deal with them myself because you can't

just ignore it. it was the detroit news that had a poll recently where 40% of detroit said they wanted to move in the next four years if they could. you can't tell the story honestly without reckoning with that kind of thing but how to do it was tricky and telling the story through characters for me was the way to go. the kind of thing i like to read, rather than through statistics or experts or whenever. along the lines of crime and one example that came to mind -- john carlisle -- there he is --

he took me to this understory, and -- >> i wanted to talk about that a little later. what are your thoughts on that? >> the crime aspect of the story was this guy who lives in a rough neighborhood in the foyer, cit chatting with him and there was a hole in his front door that crudely covered up with the board, and i was like what happened? and he said he had been upstairs one night walking jay leno and heard somebody breaking in so he ran downstairs with a shotgun and this guy was heavily armed with a gun and a whole arsenal so he runs downstairs, shoots at the guy threw the door and doesn't hit him and he said he intentionally shot low, didn't want to kill him and called the police, took them four hours to get there.

when they arrived the first thing was next time aim higher. it is very dark but also a better way of illustrating the severity of what is going on. >> let's talk about club thunderbolts. this came up on the web channel you have with us today, so i figured -- [talking over each other] >> john carlisle, one of the first people i met when i initially came here, to report on the auto show and the auto industry for rolling stone. i did not know it was going to be a book so i started poking around in local blogs and i found his blog and loved him. so i e-mail him and he wrote

back right away, showing me around for that story and we became friends and when i moved here we would occasionally go out and i found this crazy spots and this spot was -- this might have been the craziest, he has probably found something else. this guy who was living in his parents''s house they both died, a very rough neighborhood in detroit, he had been shot in the face as a kid, as a teenager. he looked like he had had a stroke so partially paralyzed, very strange intense character who was heavily armed and the club part of club thunderbolt, into a strip club, so you had to call this number and if you went there in his house and was

furnished and looked like it was furnished by a couple in the 1916s like frozen in time and creeping get with panels and then strippers. that was a weird night. >> there was another part of the book, another passenger in the book that struck me, you were writing about evangelist murders that happened on the east side. it was interesting how you sort of drew a parallel to those murders that happened in 80 years before in the same neighborhood but then you talked about covering the sort of trial, i thought i would read again a short passage to capture how you essentials write about

us in the press and how we deal with these things. when i arrived at the court room in frank murphy hall i was surprised by the absence of any other journalist. i thought i had pulled out of bonus and turned out unnecessarily early. veterans of the crime never even bothered with that first day but not a single reporter turned out, you would have figured a gruesome dismemberment would have merited some small interest apparently the crime wasn't quite extraordinary enough by detroit standards. what did you do around here to get some ink? the same week a big local crimes tour was a 12-year-old girl who tried to rob a suburban convenience store with a loaded gun. >> that is the challenge we have, the challenge anybody has coming here, taking a call in and trying to sort of threw what is important. >> that was a strange thing. you mentioned the evangelist murders and that was tied to a

person. at one point i was doing research into a deflationary history and came across a sensational crime that happened in the 20s. it caught my attention because it involved battalions and my parents were here, both italian immigrants and at that time this neighborhood, actually very close to what the east side, was very italian and this guy called themselves benny evangelist and he was a cult leader. sort of there was some catholic stuff in his called but he basically made up his own religion and this really weird book called something like the secret history of the universe as revealed through occult science in detroit, michigan. i almost used that for my title.

he ended up he and his entire family were brutally gruesomely murdered. they were be headed, his children were killed as well, and it was a big sensational story at the time. you can go through the free press archives and find all this coverage and it was never solved. at a certain point i realized it was not far from where i was living so i walked over to check it out and where his house was, so i filed that way and we're the enough, probably a year later there was another murder almost literally across the street. it was a drug thing and these kids were trying to -- their

ridge two rival drug houses, they were trying -- these two teenagers were trying to scare off radicals and to do this they ended up killing and then dismembering this guy and scattering body parts around literally across the street from this other murder. again, that was history repeating itself in a way that i found fascinating. i went to the trial and i don't normally cover murder trials. sort of -- i don't know -- it is not cool to show up the first day, but i was the only one there to the point that the judge called me out in the middle of the trial and he knows me taking notes and it was shocking to me that that did not rise to the level of daily

coverage. >> that is a fair criticism. the reaction to the book from my extent.overwhelmingly stock, you have gone a lot of national attention for this book that i don't see going to some other things people are doing around here and i wondered what you thought of was this what -- did you expect it would have this kind of residence nationwide? >> i couldn't really hope for the coverage has been great so far so i was thrilled. i did suspect people would be interested. whenever i meet people who are not from detroit the sort of

general interest in detroit detroit has a special mystique for people and very few other american cities do. maybe new orleans, a handful of cities but i can't tell you how many times i tell people about this for just that i was from the area and probably you live somewhere in other places and i always meant to go to detroit, what is it like? i don't know. there's a fascination. sometimes it is a morbid kind of unseemly fascination. but i right in the book i feel like over the course of my reporting, i would be curious if you agree, that has changed a little bit. a certain point, the recession ground on and on and on there came a point when it seems people who are not from detroit really wanted detroit to succeed. a almost became not horacio

alger story where you want the street urchin to become the president of the bank, an inspirational story because people were looking at their own cities wherever they are, stockton or scranton or jefferson county, alabama, looking at detroit which has a reputation being the worst and if detroit can make a come back then we have hope too. the come back narrative was really encapsulate it in the super bowl ads, in ways that shocked me. it makes sense. >> locally like i said i grew up here in the 70s and 80s and left like you did and came back in 2007 and i was more shocked that people were still talking about come back in 2007 because i can

remember 1977 when i was in first grade going on a field trip to see them build the renaissance center and people leading the field trip telling us this was the beginning of detroit coming back. i was 6 then. i am not 6 now. that was a really president seem but for those of us who are here it is like we should be back. >> we have heard this before. how many have there been since then? >> that leads me to one of the other passages i thought was really telling in the book. it says -- lost the page. for decades the succession of city officials struggled mightily to read brand detroit's battered image. these include casino gambling and new ballpark and hosting grand prix and hosting superbowl and in 1984 motown records founder berry doherty who fled

detroit for l a in the 1970s making the entire motown operation with him to write a theme song for this remodeled after frank sinatra's theme for new york, new york, which had been a hit a few years earlier. it being detroit, a black member of the pack, sammy davis jr. was conscripted to handle vocals but his son, hello detroit, failed to burn up the charts. we used to play it every morning on one of the local radio stations. except in belgium where it reached number one. i didn't know that. it says but now much to the attention being showered on detroit from the trendiest quarter came no small measure thanks to the city's flag. detroit's brandon became authenticity and a key component of this had to do with the way the city looked. fixing the very real problem faced by detroit that began to wonder inevitably robin detroit of some part of its essential

detroitness. two your four people in the last couple days to have given the book to read have come to me and asked about that specific last line and they are curious whether what you are saying is our dysfunction is such a part of us that we can't afford to let it go? that we can't afford to lose it? a couple people were mad when they asked me about that. i said i don't know. >> i definitely don't mean disfunction but i do think there is -- i don't know. i don't want to say i worry about this because any positive developments detroit people welcome that, period. i think about what new positive developments especially in the coming up and down down, what will that mean exactly?

is bulldozing a bunch of old buildings and putting up sort of new mall like structures -- some people would cheer that. why not? driving past the same building for decades, you can't fault people for that. at the same time i don't want detroit to look like houston and every other city. i am referring more to that what i referred to earlier, that mystique detroit has, places like new orleans and handful of other cities and is hard to put your finger on what makes that essentials, what component plays into that. it is something to think about.

>> we won't stop being detroit if we get our act together? >> definitely not get our act together but somehow it is more about paving over history. that is what i was getting at. >> we should probably take some questions from the audience. if there are any. come on, folks. you got to have questions. >> my name is marshall. i right under the name marcia music and i write a lot about detroit and i noticed that in your dialogue with one another a little bit ago that you seemed to me both of you, and perhaps based on your relationship with the media here to be trapped in some kind of crime for tax and seems to be a rabbit hole and you are going down because i have no doubt that this book

probably has a great many more stories other than about the crime issue. do you find it to be very hard to avoid that matrix as the only interesting thing to say about the city? >> i think there are lots of other interesting things about the city but as someone who has lived here more time than i have lived anywhere else i also say crime is a very big part of our lives here. no matter where you live or who you are, i worry every day because some of you who may read the paper know the my street lights have been out for good long time. i worry about my wife and kids walking from the garage to our building every day because the lights are out and that is

dangerous. you can get too caught up in it. it doesn't define my life but it does give contour to it and it does shake the decisions i make every day and the decisions i asked my wife and kids to make every day but i certainly didn't mean to suggest that that is the only thing that is interesting either about the book which is not about crime but does give you a good sense of the role the crime plays here. [inaudible] >> i thought we did. [laughter] >> marsha is one of the stars of the book. we actually met at a different talk and a talk that i was giving about someone giving me a lecture on ruins and we were discussing some things you and i were just discussing and what do

you want to preserve and what don't you want to preserve and marcia stood up and asked a provocative question. i introduce myself afterwards and she kindly took me on this great driving tour of the city, a little bit within this weekend and new york times magazine and a longer in the book. i have plenty of characters in the book who are not just numbering people. >> other questions? >> i visit the same trajectory but back in detroit, i lived in brooklyn for a while. care to comment on any similarities between brooklyn rising and detroit rising? >> i feel "detroit city is the place to be: the afterlife of an american metropolis" -- i feel detroit is the real version of what they think they're doing.

[applause] >> some new yorkers tell me i want to go to detroit, opened an art store and i say have you ever been? no. it is not williamsburg, trust me. come visit first. i don't know. i found a lot of that sort of positive coverage of boustany of -- that coverage of detroit and young bohemians coming and and it was cool at first and started grating on me a little bit after awhile and some of that was driven by people coming from places like brooklyn in finding a place they could romanticize. like living in a place like new

york you feel you missed that golden era of sort of bohemian grittiness or whatever people think they are looking for like the east village in the 80s or whatever and i think detroit in a very superficial way came to represent that some people. >> do you think that is a distraction from the real story here? the real trajectory of things? >> all things considered, positive coverage of detroit is obviously enjoying when i feel details the story where they did like the 30 people under 30 will save stephen henderson -- detroit and everybody was the truly. really? i don't know. i think it is a distortion more than a distraction. all that stuff that is happening is great and exciting but such a

tiny little pockets. [phone ringing] >> after reading -- i had a sense that even with the questions that he was asking me about the city, that he could speak detroit, he could see detroit and in seeing detroit what i really mean to say by that is he was able to see the totality of the people who live here because there are many ways in which particularly in this bubble as he calls it of the newly developed midtown downtown area, there is a tendency to they treat detroit as invisible. i have been on a mission for

some time the invisibility of the actual african-american who make up the majority of the city. i was very clear he was not trying to do a positive story on detroit because the triteness of that is offensive too but he was trying to an objective and penetrate of look at the city and cutting through some of the myths of the city and the new development of the city because that has been mythologized as well. >> because you stick to stories and stories about real people who live here and been here a long time, the book really has that feeling of saying what is as opposed to saying that is good or bad or trying to say what should be, i know i heard some interviews and some of the

interviewers seemed to be leaving you to some sort of analysis, what is the city's future and the book did a good job restraining itself from that which we are getting a lot from other places. [inaudible] [laughter] >> i just want to know how much of your books surrounding the music industry and i am sad that you didn't ask me, i was a big part of the hollywood mansion group. i hung out every weekend. and the part i know about that is i understood in your blog on

the free press, your next invention. >> i don't think i can -- remote loaded question -- i do stand by that. great biography -- crazy. >> there have been books written, lengthy press, they are much more academic. i am still means that are not mine but there are projects in the works to either do a biography or documentary next year with municipal elections. will be 20 years since he stepped down. sort of good time to try to pitch people to get money to actually do it. maybe some day.

>> that is partly why i had to leave detroit to write the book because part of me wanted to write every book about detroit. i could have done a whole book about the music or -- there is not that much music in the book. there's a little bit about detroit because i ended up living on this block, that was another story i stumbled onto. i talked to some of the older guys who are still around, the last surviving four top and a few other people. i do a lot of music writing for rolling stone and wanted to something different. >> a single character in your book, more inspirational than

any other? >> i want to say marcia of music. more inspirational, that is a good question. i thought the fire fighters i spent time with in highland park, i spent time with these firefighters in highland park who are literally operating under an old chrysler warehouse, their firehouse had been condemned five years earlier. some of the guys were sleeping in tentss for three days at a time -- they had so few walkie-talkies and communicating with hand signals, they were really dedicated. maybe those guys. >> sure. >> how are you doing? >> how are your parents? >> they are. >> very honored to meet you.

spoke very highly of you. do you think detroit is suffering from -- what is suffering from is specialists, this need for specialists on planet earth in the sense that you try to get detroit to claim specialness in a very unusual way, it was a lot of dysfunction, the whole planet has a dysfunctional relationship to specialists. my family claimed that specialists -- >> a direct descendant of the st. augustine family which was one of the french original french settlers of detroit. all those streets on the east

side with french sounding names were the original ridge and farms owned by the founders, the first settlers of detroit. i just found you on the internet somehow and weirdly you knew my brother's wife's family. i am not totally following the question. >> what i am saying is there's a claim to specialness that detroit seems that have and everybody does in a certain way, shape or form, in tel aviv they think they're special, wherever you go there is a specialist, a ridge unique relationship in a very different way than other cities do. for example if you were in san antonio they think they're special because of this or that,

but this has the unique claim to specialists in a way that i don't think anyone else can relate to because as we keep getting all these arrows hit after us for all these different things, more special than that. >> one of the things that attracted me to writing about this before i knew i was writing about this book was it is one of the great stories of the 20th century, if you think about the epic rise of the city and what came out of is, basically modern life in the 20th century, consumer culture, the middle class, sprawl, it changed everything. that rise and fall which the way it fell so much about the toxic things about american culture,

that is special. >> the reason i ask you this question is it is funny when i was a kid, when you look at the united states, surrounded by water, underneath is what people don't even recognize. we have in our family boxes and boxes of documents signed by madison and of these people, this river is very unique separating two countries in a very unique way and what happens, talked-about the arsenal of democracy, i don't know if this country would have won world war ii. talk about the specialness part of this, defaulting in a way that there are a lot more things to be proud about, not spinney of this bill we are finding

specialists in long areas. music is another genre, being 61 i grew up with all of the prime woodstock, the whole thing, wonderful in the city. and -- >> thank you. the other thing i will say is someone mentioned in the book something -- trying to remember what he said because there's so much salt it creates a positive energy or positive and negative energy, a strange character. there might be something special. >> time for two more questions. >> i wanted to follow-up on that in a way. you talk about some of these

scenes. the idea that detroit may be more than any other place for the product of the 20th century and responsible for all these things we sort of assume relate to whether it is generational war not. we are at this place, we have all this stuff, all these remnants, baggage, you can talk about that in a lot of ways, but where does that leave us? what you sort of see in terms of detroit 100 years from now? i am not asking for a prescription, more like here we are, the big question mark, i am not asking you to paint a picture as much as wonder with

us what it is -- why we are here? why we get up in the morning. >> that is a good question. we talked about this earlier, the idea -- not exactly a fear of bulldozing and paving over some of that history. you and i might have talked about this once, francis was another person i interviewed in the book has been active in the preservation movement here. like the industrial history of detroit it is a significant part of 20th century american history, the way we look back, we preserve some of the ruins in

rome and "detroit city is the place to be: the afterlife of an american metropolis" -- rome and greece, sort of when it becomes i have no idea. >> i am -- >> my former neighbor. >> great neighbor. >> my question is i love detroit. tremendously. in love with the city still. back now six years and every day i find something new and fall in love with and in the city and not outside the city and my question is what neighborhood or area do you find most fascinating? this is either the core or the bombshell, you had to go there.

>> it is our street. this was a weird moment of serendipity. i was looking for a semi furnished apartment and found that on craigslist and rented the place, the single block at service street which is not far from where you grew up. >> when i grew up the bad things we did -- there were some shops back there. >> i used to make delivery in the butcher shop. >> were people living in a while back then? >> i don't think so. my interaction with the business owners on that street who did not want me and my friends doing what we were doing.

>> it change in four years since i've rented that place but when i first arrived it felt like the best possible version of what detroit would be and it was a vibrant mix of people, a personal chef, john sinclair was around a lot, ron scott who is a great local character at the local chapter of the black panthers, such a wild mix of people and a tight community, so that is one neighborhood even though it was just a single block. there is a fire pitch in the back and people would hang

around this bonfire in the eastern markets and the other neighbor i would say would be which we talk about a bit, part of the east side at the depopulated part of the east side that still has interesting pockets of people dealing with things. farnsworth st. a single block, basically one guy, almost like a hippie commune, you see other people who sort of connect all around them and put up these big fences and crazy and italian estuary and sort of like-. bad things happen too like drug murders but that was the neighborhood i kept going to again and again. >> i am going to ask the last question about the title which

is a great title, which use a detroit just a detroit but it is a detroit city it is detroit city. you had to explain that to people. >> i don't know how to explain it. people always remark, detroit. >> how did you come up with that? >> from a tech agent. to spell motor city madhouse was appropriate for this moment, we talked during the talk, detroit's weird trendiness, opposed recession seems to have become the place to be for all sorts of reasons, people wanting to fix it, people wanting to come up with her and realignment plans, people wanting to take

pictures of the ruins. for whatever reason it seems like a special moment. it felt right. >> thanks a lot. >> thank you. [applause] >> for more information visit the author's website mark binelli.com. >> you are watching booktv on c-span2. here is our prime time lineup for tonight. starting at 7:00 p.m. eastern --

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