so this is a way to out the people. that is not productive for anyone. to say i got you moment. we have to live with folks that are frightening or offensive. you don't have the luxury for how to read fine to a new play of their understanding? so we have to start with building real relationships. day will not have a facility because it is not enough. a free did that we will go

to separate corners. how do we find a way to build the possibility of having substantive dialogue over those differences. >> host: a fourth book in the works? >> guest: it should be done next month. a transnational spiritual community. leaving chicago 1967 and getting into southern israel. they have been there since. very few people talk about this community that was 400 it is now about 4,000. they have 1,000 births alone. a story of how this community uses that as a base the for those to do

their own project in africa of throughout the united states. of throughout the united states. and also to build the community. so that will bring that to a wider audience. >> host: it will be several months until the this published? >> guest: end of 2013. >> host: professor john jackson, jr. "racial paranoia" the unintended consequences of political correctness." this is a booktv on c-span2.

>> host: booktv on c-span2 is on vacation the university of pennsylvania at philadelphia. at the school of communication and joining us is the dean michael x. delli carpini. dean, what is the school of communication? >> a freestanding school that does research for the public consumption and a scholarly work and a ph.d. training and undergraduate training the way media communications influence social, political, a health and cultural practices. >> host: we're here specifically to talk about your book "after broadcast news" if media regimes, democracy, and the new information environment."

but it seems for the last 20 or 30 years we have been debating "after broadcast news" scenario. how do you assess it? >> guest: we try to put it into historical context. the basic argument is over the last 20 years some changes have been slow or quick that are changing the way in where we get public affairs information. the three big changes are the bullring of news and entertainment. think of "the daily show" but more. also the blurring of producers and consumers. just think of the impact from twitter and you to but in the era of spring

revolution but also american elections. number three for the blurring of fact and opinion. where we thought there was a clear line between journalist present take us factual information and when we hear opinions has broken down. that has been driven by a variety of things not to mention the technological revolution. >> host: professor, have lost gatekeepers of news? >> guest: that is an essential seem we live in the world that we call will tie axa reality that we mean the way information could become public information it

is much more fluid you could even argue you do not need gates because the walls have come down. what is newsworthy or what goes by role is different from the period just prior. but the larger point* is we cannot compare what we h cannot compare what we have now to what preceded the 50 years of broadcast news. we have four or five media regimes that the relationship with political elites are different. to assess what is better bad not delicate just what we have lost or gained with pride tat seiche -- broadcast news but realism or partisan price or the

progressive era the issue in front of us not3 the issue in front of us not good or bad that what is good or bad about it. how to maintain and limit to what is bad. >> host: the title of your book "after broadcast news", what have we lost as opposed to the abc, cbs, nbc era? >> guest: we have lost that we have talked about this but we are still transitioning. but in the era of the '50s and '60s through the '90s that we as a society believed if we've watched

the local and national news the would have the information we need. what we lost see authority that comes at the gate keepers somebody's job to sift through the information to say real professionals. we thought about this. we will tell you what we think you should pay attention to. and we lose the fact the heights of the of broadcast era, we were of community better or worse than that is what they told us to focus on.

that allows and have the same basic underlying of understanding. >> host: what have we gained? >> guest: the downside to this system i described it is is that a handful of journalists, producers and stations got a wrong and did not emphasize something or the facts were wrong war presented something even as they attempted to, we would sink or swim. but to everybody watches separate deals. ferric is no single tape

station -- single information source. but voices from the past have not been heard. the topic on to the national agenda to become important because someone told us it was. >> host: do you feel we're better informed today than 40 years ago? >> guest: an interesting question. we're in a transitional period and the potential is greater now than it used to be. but there is no evidence. i also do work about what people know about politics. the current we may be in a situation where people who got a scare caused because

there are so many places to go so many people opt out of politics entirely. if they don't care but want to watch entertainment if they are still watching television, that they cannot opt out of politics entirely. but we argue that both are possible. we could have a population of very informed people. >> host: look at the revolution will live through. is there a comparable period in history? >> guest: not totally. we compare the past but it is important to realize

things are different. there is not the opportunity for average citizens to be producers of information like today. never an opportunity to have multiple sources globally and for the agenda to be a national or global agenda but we have periods of of fox news and msn b.c. in they have seen more of their and -- if theological views. we went through period where newspapers and other books and shoes argue for or against? with the on line in the

18th but they said the same thing. we had experience where the lines were completely blurred. of the front-page they have a news story, opinion piece, a list of what is coming up on the next ship into the harbor. looked more like a web page. we have experience of pieces but not coming together with the new technology. >> host: what are your main sources? >> guest: i depend on all lot i tend not to watch the three broadcast it is usually as a role of an academic to see what they are doing.

i watch cable news flipping between cnn and fox and ms nbc to see what is happening but also how they spend it and what are their views. by the time i get home and those that are connected to various web sites. of what i tried to doo-doo even if i try to separate the points, it is what we need to do a sample from different sources. >> what is the importance of the do the show? >> right now. and the colts their report

speak truth to power better than any journalist they do a great job to highlight the important issues of the day with the political system the honesty and straightforwardness and accuracy making use it as the ombudsman and and it is really funny. >> host: annenberg school of communication dean michael x. delli carpini is our guest. you mention you tend toward the progressive views. are reata period of stovepipe being? >> a lot of evidence that is happening that readers and viewers gravitates toward

the news outlets that are most similar to their own. msn b.c. it tends to be more liberal than fox news may go watch something just to get them worked up the there is evidence of people beginning to separate themselves out to create of what is called the echo chamber to hear what you already agree with. to go to those places we're not looking for news but to have newsworthy information. after 9/11 whenever website you went to whether sports or entertainment people were

talking about real world events. and somebody has health issues and you want to find out about the diagnosis or the prognosis or health-related policy and leads you into political issues. my hope is people will attend to different points of view. number two is a larger information provides opportunities to accidentally bump into that information. >> host: who is your co-author? >> guest: and bruce williams from university of virginia and we went to graduate school together. we have been working of this

raging over 20 years ago. >> host: of what are you most excited? >> guest: the opportunity for voices that have been outside the immediate agenda to be heard. the most recent example is what role is the heir of spring? it was generated by years of concern of political freedoms and economic concerns but but with that spread is a direct result

from mobile technology to share ideas and thoughts. u.n. journalist had no access but it drew attention to issues that would have been quiet that would be more subtle that oftentimes are ignored because of class or race or gender issues that is what gets me most excited. is more confusing to assess information. we still need gatekeeper's but it is more chaotic world as a result. >> host: will "usa today"

and "the wall street journal" and the "washington post" be around and me as important? >> guest: yes. i could be wrong but they will not be around in any form that we recognize. i am blessed concerned about that but professional journalist how they operate what organizations to their work for and what form paper or web for television. i am less concerned about that this is the economic model to make sure there is a place for peoples whose job it is that they will be one voice among many.

.> host: is that the main >> host: is that the main question your students ask? >> guest: first of all, the reaction i get from undergraduates is, so? the world we describe is the world they grew up in. fest -- first-year students born in 1982. it is almost as if they want to know what the old world is like an understand the new world. we are a communications school many are interested in be a journalist but contribute to society through the media so their issues are how to do that? >> host: we have been

talking with the id dean whose most recent book is "after broadcast news" media regimes, democracy, and the new information environment" co-author with virginia professor bruce williams michael x. delli carpini thank you for being on booktv. >> guest: my pleasure. >> guest: my pleasure. >> you don't always find people embracing reporting but it is not just economic but the discomfort caused in the newsroom. it is troublesome. if you ruffle the feathers

of somebody powerful they complain to the of publisher and the stories are legion. we were fortunate through the '70s rarely to work for people who were strong and a bright to look the chips fall where they may. back i thought i would talk briefly about why the story intrigues me so much about the reporting process. and then open the floor to questions. first of all, i am sad lead not a holy cross graduate

that 70 thought naturally i must be an alumnus. i came across the story from a man in the book. we had a lunch the same day ted wells was a front-page story quote representing "scooter" libby and started to talk about his classmates, and father brooks and i was intrigued because clarence thomas was a classmate and i had not read much about the interaction -- interaction between the two. it is not a classic business story by an interested in leadership and mentoring. it took quite a while to get justice thomas to speak with me because he did not trust the agenda because i would

like to talk about 1968, '69, '70. when i did but the depth of passion he had for holy cross. the feelings and emotions of father brooks. i am not usher who was that his presentation last week but when you contrast coli cross verses what he has said of his experience at yale is a profound difference. one was his classmates in the way he was treated and especially by father brooks. i set out to do an article. but grounds for a book but with my first project by when done all sorts of

directions that did not work. one was a lot of history of the jesuit and the publisher said no. just like everybody else like not from the area took me awhile to learn how to produce it. [laughter] but it came down to these five men but many people i talk to had to diminish because my editor said i am getting confused. focus on the men and the fraternity and use that as a microcosm for what was experienced across the country. a couple of things i tried to be careful all not do do

to heighten the interest but the main thing is that a holy cross was special and unique but it was a microcosm. i am not american. by a drop in scotland. i am half catholic and was intrigued to. and never fully understood the emotions of the time the book opens right after dr. martin the third king has been killed. father brooks intrigued me and somebody as a pioneer to circumvent the admissions process. his a strong-willed man and

went up in a car and drove up to this school personally interviewed a lot of the men eddy came in with the athletic scholarship. knu hear me better now? and sat in the coffee shop to decide who would get in and then there was $80,000 which for a college you had 1 billion it in the endowment was a cross to bear. how do you decide? anybody who is apparent they no intelligence does not

mean success and father of brooks was looking for leadership qualities and drive those who were hoping to reach beyond their grasp black and white and fighting to get with bin into the college. the class of 72 did not arrive until after that year and he became president and could shake up the trustee board to let women did into the college. angela get the story of what struck me is first of all, the network of the men. it is called fraternity. it is not one theology

professor who went to save a group of men but there were highly motivated, accomplished, giv en an opportunity they would not have had earlier. there were african-american students but only one or 21 would come into the athletic scholarship and another to come in through the catholic network. clarence thomas transferred after dropping out of the cemetery. the first time they had critical numbers. father brecht's and the college never appeared on the academic standards. they all had to work as hard or harder. clarence thomas would close down the library every night

but he did make concessions socially and understood how difficult it would be. the college paid for the station wagon to get off campus as often as they could. he allowed them to live together that was very controversial. one of the editors of the crusader at the time in reading the articles that students were very upset of the resegregation. but he made concessions and at the very highest level they anders stood people cared about their success and that people had faith in them and with father barracks there was an open door. he had the philosophy with to thousand students and

many people feel very close to him. he was here last night and last week. but today he wants leaders and felt the college was missing out to be the best institution by not reaching a halt to all parts of society. blacks, whites i know who they cross has made great strides of diversity. i met jade roberts to was in the first-class and others who were pioneers. there has been great success with what happened with african-americans. ted wells went to harvard. of lot of highly accomplished then from that

generation. but a lot of disappointment with what has happened with education and the erosion of opportunity. frankly the decisions that have been made with opportunities and affirmative action and the next wave will be financial to encourage on to print your shipping give people the tools to start their own businesses and inspire the same generation of leaders. but also to the holy cross community one day in the process has reinforced is a

strong fraternity and power the school has had with the highest levels of giving. especially canadian. be don't give. but holy cross when i looked at the network, the power of a cross and the way people support each other it is very inspiring and a testament to wear a hat pins and the support shown for father brooks and these men and their appreciation to be pioneers, i hope it is a story we continue to come back to again and again. with the support i