[applause] >>. >> the dean of what? [laughter] in the honorable sense that they give for the introduction. we have been in conversation through the years and not

want to shock you i know you had only heard my voice and did not realize how handsome i am. [laughter] but people say to me did you see him on call there? he bush is interviewed about "citizenville" on call there and you were ambushed? >> host: not to make you uncomfortable but he started off in the typical way to talk about digital stuff he said we need the bs translator because when you hear api you're only the elected official that knows that but many do not understand the digital world what does silicon valley one out of obama administration

with the many plant in? more than hollywood. many experts working here for many years on the show and calling in saying the legislators don't understand what we are about to. there's the biggest challenge that is about new technologtechnolog why on times square. >> guest: thank you very much. i am humbled you took the time to be here and to be here with tim who is the godfather of the whole movement. this is wonderful to have you do this to take your time, and michael and suze museum. i am not happy about colbert [laughter] but i will try my best to

answer the question that you did ask. [laughter] it is true. the old adage to move the mouse, you have to move saatchi's. and there's never a strong incentive for information technology generally. flask group that will advocate with the budget crisis over health care don't exist and people don't when up with stickers or buses or state government demanding more information technology. the challenge for government leaders to realize the potential and possibilities. the last week there is the

big headline in the "l.a. times" department of motor of -- motor vehicles gave up on a six year effort to update 40 year-old technology. we spent more than half of the many, not close to a halfway done and they just ended the contract. talk about scandals, is a surprise the court system of california in 2004 identified $260 million upgrade to be completed thousand eight. to madrid $60 million. today the estimate is one point* $9 billion to connect 58 counties and case management system with no expectation insight done before 2015. payroll upgrades in california, that contractor

was just fired calpers, the big retirement system consolidating 49 data centers into one, the cost overrun $228 million now everyone is more upset with consolidation than previously but we had a few extra million dollars in the recreation and parks department that we didn't spend but the money is still there and it was not used. [laughter] hundreds of articles on that but not the billions of dollars wasted and inefficiency and i argue corruption from those that service the industry but not well. >> host: the state parks did not even know the money was there. it went underground. >> guest: no one is

pleased with that but my gosh, think of other examples. i could go on and on. >> host: so where do the citizens come in and the link to town square? >> guest: increasingly might pardon is there is a new digital divide. five years ago if i was on your show, talking about free wife i and socio-economic issues of technology of providing access of broadband and high-speed to public housing , increasingly that take shape with the cost dropping precipitously relating to access here and around the rest of the world, a 63% in india have access to self loans only 47 percent have access to toilets.

but this government continues to get wider you can shop 24-hour is a day on amazon and have something delivered then you go to the dmv or go pay a parking ticket all a sudden you realize some of my fear is more engaged peered to appear, directly as they move through a framework of social network now the access we are stuck with this old top-down cartel mindset, i say lovingly. [laughter] venusian we could build a system and servers with on demand resources, the cloud you are renting yet we're

still building in government. >> host: it is no longer relevant. >> when you talk about engagement's of citizens? >> so with peer to peer i take of kickstart or other examples i of that up with state and local and federal government and filibuster is sequestration i was disconnected but i want to solve problems and engage engage, particularly the millennial generation, they called generation of choice choice, the net generation. >> host: you have faith and confidence in them but aside from wanting to commit

themselves, as a work with them as a college professor professor, perhaps confidence is inflated for optimism they care about environmental education by fixing government, reforming government they have checked out. >> guest: is not the end of itself but as a means to deal with our great challenges. this generation is more a gauge peer to peer but the scores are increasing scores are higher than ever so i am more optimistic and we are more engaged peer to peer.

for people to sink you can like or dislike. >> also with citizen apathy. let me back up what is "citizenville" all about? thinking about the issue of leadership, a public life, i come from a small business background, entrepreneurial frame and one of my favorite authors is don petersen and he had a book he asked what did martin luther king, and nelson mandela and gandhi all have in common? the peak of their influence was jail time.

[laughter] which is the truth. he expressed to exercise moral authority. with the peak of the influence the 82 be something to someone suggest with mandela even after they formalized authority to get elected, they lost their influence a little bit. so the role of elected officials that have the formal authority. >> host: have you done time? [laughter] >> guest: no. to a point* but the idea we have to wait around for a the guy on the white horse for i have been waiting around to some were expecting it was arnold schwarzenegger.

not a democrat but married to maria shriver and president obama, there is a notion may have to wait around for someone else to solve our problems. the overstated but the use of spain and with the tea party movement there is an energy out there. >> host: and estonia estonia, south korea, in search of innovation ahead of what we have. there are places across the globe ahead of the learning curve. >> guest: the president of the studio will come down to

the valley and to do their proverbial meeting with citizens go to justify at taxpayer expense i was talking about the great initiatives to pay parking tickets on ourself loans and wife i and i knew he spoke perfect english but he had his transmitter therefore perfect english as if something was lost in translation instead of having him respond he said hold on, we have been doing all that for decades. [laughter] here i was as a young bear for silicon valley. [laughter] and i realized quickly say cannot of the soviet union and they skipped a whole generation they were a leapfrog the 20 year

contracts with the old systems, they just want leapfrog the whole thing and today's 200% penetration they pay parking tickets for years and years we are now 26 in the last teddy behind latvia with broadband down those speeds. [laughter] you cannot make this up. we're stuck with the industrial mindset the top down mindset challenged by the army of david not using slingshots that technology increasingly the reality is we have to wake up to this and we cannot deny the contours' of the change already taking place in your

world, the media, a block the newspapers, it is obvious now in hindsight but the music industry and tell monetized saying you're not buying albums in the more we have a wonderful debate about my digitation and flipping feta classroom to expand the classroom. >> host: forgive me, as the governor on the board, in terms of treating citizenship with young people the responsibility of the institutions and colleges? >> guest: i have a three

and a half year-old daughter, you all had this experience, she pulled out my phone and i am mesmerized she discovers things i did not know existed. i feel she is a prodigy. >> host: when she and estonia? [laughter] >> guest: then one year ago they start early with pre-preschool in every single one maybe there were not prodigy's but wired differently. the evolution the you cannot educate my daughter like i was educated. the generation of choice you cannot have a row of desks and a bell ringing during

ben franklin's time with single subjects in teachers and a mass education environment and expect she will be engaged, let alone a small or based on the date of manufacture be lined up in a row is comedy. >> host: how you learned about citizenship? you are talking about reforming capitalism civic children whose look at the cames that they have and the apps to get people automated but you go almost anywhere now just to look at these high phone half a billion

people spending more than one hour per dave playing on-line games. 21 years or younger, you spend more time playing on-line game stand in the classroom between grades six and 12. 53 hours per week entertainment media space. 42 year-old women, on-line games is the typical face yet we are cultivating crops virtually in the farm bill and spending money to do it for you cannot make that up a few years ago. [laughter] how do meet people where they are? i remember schoolhouse rock for it is indelible coming reread educated and entertained will retaliate the bill became law except though lobbyist and it made

sense but the idea of educating and entertaining that we can begin to meet people where they are is fundamental. >> host: how did they get money at a politics. >> how does it work? >> think of secrecy even the president of the nation's history was prone to that on the issue of drones to killing americans the citizens. >> of president hussein. >> and more transparent than any other. >> and from which the the

cost the government kept secrets from the people they will not find a from the government. >> guest: that said but information wants to be free and it will make its way to the public. we live in a glass house and fishable society. the folks like you told us to account, the sunshine laws, freedom of information , any time michael krasny ask for freedom of information i know i am in serious trouble. and expos eight, five per series by definition. so we are anesthetized because we know that gotcha framework will be engaged.

but we are past that with the leaks as a perfect reminder that the issue of secrecy your privacy has evolved dramatically. >> host: you say there is no privacy but it is now used as a currency by argue you have to be more transparent there is a lack of informed consent if you download the gap there all kinds of things mostly for benign purposes that we push allow / don't allow but if he goes to the legalese it

is not informed consent. people my age digital immigrants would rather spend the extra dollar to not to give it up but this generation has live their life in a glass house it becomes less significant. but it is your government, york taxpayer dollars, not our reaffirmation to hoard, your right to know, use it -- to subsidize. one of the fathers of the movement may have been ronald reagan -- ronald reagan and knowingly when he gave up the satellite information in made it public every single one of us are beneficiaries for you driven a car that has gps that this public impression accessed by remarkable taxpayer investment.

the information on your smart phone used to be in the hands of the atmospheric and oceanic administration the information was horded all the you paid for it. about a treasure trove of information that exist with the recreation, parks, a building -- building department, a public works from the city's large and small to open up in a transparent way to allow the private sector to match up third-party developers to form new connections that government cannot form the more transparent you are the more we start building trust and more people to answer your question when they trust the engagement has purpose. >> so citizens demanding the

importance of accountability? >> guest: certainly but i argue for participation, that is not voting every two or four years. think about 200,835,000 self organizing communities come together with the rock above the.com day are engaged, and e-mail campaign and all that energy was the crescendo of victory than they say keep your voice is amplified and converted that website to change thought of and i want to hear from you. we have the conversation with the organized communications you go i

decided you go and we decide that a few weeks after the election the president has a town hall meeting peoples of the priorities toward iraq and afghanistan, that means it it was a week -- reconfigured into white

house .gov you voted down i decide. tried to reconcile that with organizing for action but still around a political frame to get you to activate for the agenda as a two-way conversation. i learned this the hard way those one-way conversations are dead. you better be prepared. my second point*, we the people, the petition website the president but together you may recall the 5,000 signatures the whites -- the white house will have to respond in folks came together over the deaths are their role over 5,000 the president said we will be

that the then the issue of newtown, a gun-control, a radical cnn and answer appears marcan he should be deported said the advocates and 100,000 signatures forcing the hand of the president in they said what are we having this conversation? so they raised the threshold missing the entire point*. it is not about petitioning government but a mechanism to allow people to govern themselves more effectively. looking at government as a platform that is a vending machine. you put it in taxes or 1 trillion quarters and outcomes health or education

if you don't like what you get, and shake the machine. [laughter] >> host: those to shoot them down the two-party movement was about making a voice is heard at the expense of the officials. when you talk about the importance of the two-way education but the mere one that example is beautiful that thing sadder matter to politicians what matters is who puts money into the next campaign both of you talk about the importance of getting money out of

politics. but the reality is, it is not happening, it hasn't happened and people are pessimistic. >> guest: citizens united pushed us back. technology allows us to democratize the voice. >> host: what can you do about citizens united? the fact is it is there, it is the law, the supreme court past and now congress can do something that. >> guest: never be better off than where restarted than five and a thousand and a couple dollar contribution it is rather distressing. i see problems of governing

is generally respectfurespectfu lly the party system is one and the tribal nature. number 3-d district's. we paid you. you do not pick us. that is my fear with congress there is no incentive for good behavior in washington d.c.. the worst thing you could do would be to work with the other side. the of a stronger chance of taking over the senate by going through sequester than break -- breaking ranks in the primary. i said this on meet the press the number two republican is under cruise control he cannot even exercise his independents because he is up in 2014 he will have of version of

cruise and his own backyard. >> host: they have no mastery or control but to make legislators moved. >> i got in trouble in the book to say about the two-party. these folks stepped up and i am sitting on the sideline i prove the point* that citizens united can have an impact but i still try to figure out what it represented, i was appreciative but it is not as cohesive. the challenge is

multifaceted but fall issue this is what the museum represents something extraordinary is happening that is bigger than most of us understand. you see the of contours' of the change but with? sound bites i learned my lesson but the notion of big is getting small and small is big with the individual self organizing and bringing down to topple a government. it is called the age of amateurs that's not use good transitioning and formalizing a government structure. somebody said you cannot

treat a constitution. maybe not. but the principle it is a difficult transition but the technology to galvanize and organize and come together across differences and it is profound. of the government still operates with a vending machine model not what steve jobs advanced. he came out with the eyes shone with less than one dozen apps. it was the whole idea of third-party developers. a good friend of mine talks about big on what and small on how. the less prescriptive about how we solve the problems. let government be a curator covet engaged a remarkable

wisdom that exist in every single one of you nobody is an expert in everything to everybody is an expert in something. powdery a source the crowd and engage ultimately solve so many problems? >> host: talk about on these serving time and i hear toppling government, without language, i did an interview forgo will sending data messages to other egyptians from to rear square but -- tahrir square but do galvanize people since the civil rights movement. also the same with the civil-rights movement that there hasn't been anything

like that to get the public out there in town square. what brought them out in tahrir square their own interest to topple the government to get mubarak gone. not suggesting revolution necessarily. maybe in the '60s but you are preaching something that is revolutionary. >> guest: interestingly someone in government, i don't trust centralized power. i know how we exercise at. i want to centralize that. i want more voices and mattresses. may be a say that as a taxpayer and i went to engage citizens that government is not an

election and we think our work is done counting on the idea they will save the day. we allow ourselves to be treated as objects. justice brandeis said the most important office is the office of citizen. we have forgotten hour collective responsibility to engage. i don't want things done to me that with me. i imagine when you are a customer you feel the same way than why not at the counter in government? you allow us to do things to you. now with you. i don't understand that. i just call for the evolution of thinking. turnaround it is bottom-up not top down not machine. >> host: hierarchal thinking you are suggesting

were collective action. >> guest: yes. organic. will hold the mindset and it transcends the ideology that is out there. you can find aspects of this but it is not about the squishy middle but the open way and a different way of thinking. and i think technology drives us down the path. >> to $64,000 question question, nothing with today's inflation had you get that money out of politics? how does technology help take the money out of politics? >> guest:

television, offtrack but, we spent 2.$2 million to saturate the los angeles market per week just the los angeles market. how to run the statewide campaign when the cost is disproportionate with broadcast of the vision. >> host: by the legal with public financing? >> did pass to be. john kennedy is the temporary -- contemporary example we need to open the airwaves to level the playing field or you will not get the choices. >> public radio. [cheers and applause] >> the idea was social media things change and for the

cost are significant is a lawyer. but still, one should not believe we are there yet but think of rick santorum, a tv distrait day primary campaign and the super packs that dominated. the general election is more difficult they become more selective but obamacare 2.zero was extraordinarily sophisticated. it did not necessarily amplify more voices but strategically the right ones that drill down to connect more precisely to you. not necessarily that masses. not in and of itself the panacea. you cannot translate that

into a governing philosophy, it is very cynical. >> host: to talk about obamacare 2.know but first he gave a lackluster debate suddenly in a fight for his life and the fact is suddenly there was a realization everything depended not only advertising money but on performance. politics is performance to get people to like you and all those things hollywood should be able to fake sincerity. [laughter] politics is acting for ugly people. [laughter] >> host: but the second

debate was adversarial that our media has become oppositional culture. to gets the best plan richland? pahang we need to change the culture. >> i hope so and it is one thing when this book is any of them. i am biased income from local government the old adages it feel like the way the world looks stand at your head and go local. with the city's mayor and council members for a manager michael would say if i can now with the democratic plan to clean up graffiti. what is he talking about? and my colleagues have a

republican plan to sweep the streets? that makes no sense locally but california politics but we come to expect it but ideologues make lousy mayors said they may close the ideologues who have got to get things done. but with proximity gives more legitimacy we are more local lee optimistic than state or federal. >> talk show hosts make lousy -- and lets it get some responses the occupied movement was a way for citizens to take control but failed to make real change is bottom-up realistic?

to an absolutely private argue watching the red the aim fire crowd that the two-party is alive and well. it has dissipated but it resonates and will substantially in the run of 2014 with the concern of the primary purpose they have become hostages but that said the occupied movement seems to have lost steam but i go to great lengths to complement it i was in the meeting kinfolks jerk -- takeover we shut them down and had so much fun i joined them in the circle and got a sense of the vibrancy of the movement. >> host: the one in oakland was undermined in you could have the same

staying with technology. those who try to use some for.not just actors but i was appalled when i was a kid by voting in the cincinnati reds were elected because they stuffed the ballot box. >> guest: this is the example of medical marijuana more broadly with king of the whole scenario and the people took over. now there are a lot of sites your name has to be real, a real framework common new forums beginning to allow more rational conversation that is often hijacked by the loudest voices. >> host: more questions. a face book can be connected

in a dorm room across the road when that get the science departments to build the future for the state and give extra credit. [laughter] [applause] to when you have this experience. you look at government we have the rsi and barshefsky you response for information, response for question, response for proposal, procurement cycle, public hearings hearings, lowest most responsive bid, then it turns out and then mr. is over because new people come in in there with their fingerprints on it, thus said it examples. note to did 70 million with one point* 9 billion differing demonstration, people fired, a companies merge merge, with the dmv starting h-p bought etfs now it is a

division it did not perform as they helped. that said you have a counterexample under 13 year-old niece of the weekend for nothing put together for nothing a fancy website. how was that possible we just went to the procurement over to a fight over $3 million to do the same was i? i don't want government to be doled out the top down system not with you can get the apps that does that you can download. it is a disengagement to move away from the inside out thinking to the outside in thinking. >> host: talk about climate change how technology can stimulate

action. >> host: i love this debate. >> guest: i am biased. the sum total of paul consumption is local. look at the planet weird dominique the urbanized more people living in urban centers and rural combined. mrs. is essentially a urbanization the patinas state's 75% of gdp coming out of urban areas and politics dominate urbanized to the popular vote. but the issue of climate change not getting lost but the bottom up what are mayors doing? with those specific decisions to drive consumption habits? that is why gave marriage was controversial but you

had fun with me when we had composting and seven cisco. that was controversial. [laughter] the editor sent the garbage police to my home to photograph to make sure my aid shawls were being appropriately put in their green bin and not the black band. [laughter] my point* is. >> host: you never told us how much we had to drink. >> host: maybe if i had thought of it, god bless michael bloomberg. maybe, who knows? the base day. i did a show on handed the and that did not go so well with the composting ideas. but i believe the government can advance principles but we play with a lot of technology as it relates to feinstein they're recycling center. the first half was called

eco finder. we put the information up in the machine readable and downloadable and the first half we did some bad the next day said we care recycling now there is the after that and you can double that for free. right after the compazine decision. cisco said we have connected cities they took the bus and converted it you can read out on the bus how much consumption and there is a nap they created of the best to your zip code you could compare neighbor to neighbor your energy consumption and start having competition. games do the same thing. with companies that create

virtual games where they draw psittacine engagement and more use of transparency that they design data. a great example is from the sub might foundation they take of the census data, and favored canadian map on ashley mass was designed and they say take the data and help us design it and now there is in that site that design stated that is meaningful and relevant as a way to process. >> host: it is encouraging to hear you speak about it that way. but he has had up

counterterrorism and former secretary of state albright also talking with a professor from stanford and with a broader question in the contingency center talking about consequences that may happen to come out in a rather significant numbers to get insurance here but talk about the specific violence and are vulnerable and it is a reality. with about new technologies have earthquakes, disasters earthquakes, disasters, and the flood of refugees? >> guest: with the gentleman i interview he is a futures to plays out the scenarios for the government all around the world come a very realistic and cereal plants organized in a

disciplined way for those potential prospects. the other day, i will not even though there. here's the challenge for question to waste our time in the united states? what's the point*? then they make that case you cannot buy enough to render previous to make a difference. plastic water bottles? don't waste your time. all these things but my point* is ultimately that success leaves clues and you got to be willing to demonstrate the success or efficacy of the plastic bag the and, of the requirement all taxicabs need to be alternative fuel or the

composting requirement for green building standard raising the bar every model and not just reconstruction, the sum total of all efforts to create a city by sampras is the most sustainable improving the point*. that leaves over and they say i years and francisco all of a sudden they start thinking differently and act differently and one not excuse inaction because we cannot have an impact. >> host: what about the disaster plan by the exploding meteor or disaster plan? >> guest: come on. we afford year-old technology and you talk about cyber security? >> host: apparently in

shanghai hacking into google and everything down here. >> guest: you got it. we are so ill equipped and prepared to project power plants, water sources, utilities, mrs. is serious stuff you can also connect to the large slabs it is organized he spent 10 minutes there and come back and you start to read throw. [laughter] >> host: i am glad you brought him up i a.m. oistrakh but that conversation with the willingness to take risks refuse to pay the tax and

then they said henry why are you in there and teenage use a wire you out there? if you had a commitment you had you should be in jail. what you say in some respects is take risks? technology allows that and it brings consequences. >> guest: no. politicians are scared of risks in being exposed. in my small businesses and have a failure of order literally give a business i have 1,000 employees the person who screws up the vast wins a bonus of $800 a failure award. i have a hotel in lake tahoe we don't have great air-conditioning so relieve the doors open so the mosquito issue is a legitimate. i hata crazy night guard

that is awake when you get there at 2:00 in the morning a different kind of person wired differently. he said i've got an idea he purchased a bunch of catfish and said i know the source there are ponselle he dumped cat vision great idea until the next morning my phone rings and underwear my engineer for tenures calls in a panic and not know what the hell happened is a decline in the morning and no one explained to leave it there are did -- dead fish up and down the hallway their carcasses, the heads, fishtails, i don't know what happened. he put them in and what of glorious scrappy to the initiative to solve a

problem and it turns out the raccoons had a field day and were running up and down the hallways with a feast. [laughter] that was worth $800. [laughter] that is might fail for word fast. it is a surge you fail 1,000 times i succeeded to lerner's ultimately discovering 1,000 ways to not do something. churchill said the secret of all success pate attention attention, is moving from failure to failure with enthusiasm. [laughter] the government, hold on.

my gosh, you try to do wife i? he failed. you can deliver a thing. what is it like? so you are risk averse isn't that the civil service system? you know, this the only way you get fired from an exaggeration, but one where you get fired is not not doing your job effectively but the job of someone else effectively breaking out of standard operating procedure, that was not your job search. i am a big labor guy but this done to me. i got a lot of grief and protest. >> host: pointing at me? [laughter] >> guest: i think 17,000

members disciplinary records, a performance cannot be considered with regard to the abortion -- promotion performance cannot be considered you're automatically eligible for promotion. [laughter] you can spend 27 years and the guy next you 26 years 11 months exceptional you have done terrible he may not be promoted. >> host: as you point* your finger at me because your predecessor said the gave too much to the unions because you democrats and were riding high it is regrettable because we cannot make is sustainable. >> guest: now with is cheaper territory. i am happy to have that

territory. the biggest challenge of democracy today's growing income equality. you cannot have a vibrant democracies such as an engagement without the upward mobility for people to have a framework of exhortation to move up. the american dream. . .

at least some counter pressure on wages and a world where there are no wage expectations as we increase our productivity because of technology. and we see a flat-lining eco-'s localization of wages particularly because of health care costs costs on the bed beside our eating a lot of that up as well. speier talked about that politically or when you talk about inequality of income economic inequality then you suddenly see this flaming going on in the blogosphere. i'm going to call your social you a social is the same way they have called barack obama a socialist. speier can't live in san francisco and not be a socialist. [laughter] i think $9 minimum wage, come on mr. present we are at $10.55 and they talk about paid sick leave and we have been there done that for 10 years and we had preschool five years ago. in san francisco, it's the worst nightmare for the right because

every single thing they say is the end of the world as we know it. we have done every single one of them. [laughter] and we are fine. [applause] any big city in the united states, the city is vibrant. we have unit held -- universal health care we are to did that years ago. not universal health insurance but state health care. a profound distinction and one that still concerns me about the broader implementation of health insurance reform. >> these values are not so bad. speier they are not socialist values. >> i feel sorry for his argument [laughter] >> i've got one final question question here. >> this is on c-span and i am in trouble here. [laughter]

>> this is the last question. what plans -- to let me actually ask another question. without necessarily being a knight on a white horse -- [inaudible] [laughter] >> he my little niece is here. you know, i am struck i really am by this notion of formal and informal thought. i think of those folks that make an impact that they have had on the world and think of the impact a lot of those folks who have forgotten about there were former mayors, governors and presidents. i don't know. i remember last year and i know our time is almost up that we had to deal in california with the republican leaders in the democratic leaders to do a version of pension reform and

temporary taxes. we are going to legislative legislate it and the governor did a masterful job putting the deal together. he could prove we could govern. we were just focused on finding a crowbar and putting it in the spokes of the wheel of the other party to trip them up. we were asked to working together. it was more important than the deal itself. the democratic leaders in the republican leaders oath went back to their respective tribes and expressed the deal. immediately the persuasion industry moved in and shut that deal down. it got me thinking, it's not about the guise of the gals in office. it's about the system we have set up. in many ways the governor was talking to the wrong people. he should have had the persuasion industry in the room negotiating with them directly and then they could elect the politicians -- let the politicians know how to vote. a perfect example this whole sequester thing.

obama and boehner had a deal we were told. elise woodward claims that is the case but then they went back and it got crushed. it's not about the people. it's the system and so i can sit there and blame this machine thinking, the spending model we have or start to make -- because i'm here to reinvent that mindset, to open that up. government as a platform. not a scarce model where we are delivering services but a framework of abundance. real active citizen engagement. that is my case and that is my argument and i am grateful that you all took the time to be here >> thank you all. [applause] [applause] a few days before they been in california gavin newsome

attended a party to celebrate the publication of his book. otb followed him as he greeted attendees. see its john cole. >> nice to see you. >> is what is the title? >> dedicated friend and adviser. >> dedicated friend and advisor. >> i can say what he does. >> no one knows. >> they know. [laughter] that's so funny. >> now i really want to find out. >> john is a dedicated friend and adviser to many of in the democratic party and many other friends. he is a friend that you want on your side. if you don't need fingerprints, i can say that right?

>> i want to ask you a question. i am a ravens fan. >> why are you rubbing it in? [laughter] for passing plays? >> this has nothing to do with that. baltimore had the most in san francisco was in the top 10. what the hell was that? >> it doesn't surprise me anecdotally. what's interesting, it's such an indelible part of our history in the 80s but there wasn't the energy out there around the super bowl that i would call as a kid and others marked that as well and i think the only reason to suggest why is we had two world series in the last three years. but you get to a point where you

start taking some of this for granted a little bit. i don't know, that's my own feeling. two years in a row and finally it has turned around but i didn't know that. that's interesting. speier could and walked down the street without seeing raven something. >> there was a lot of that. the last few days everyone focused but there was strangely, the world series, in 2010 i was still mayor and we won that by a swede. we are were third or fourth place it just wasn't supposed to happen. 1 million people showed up and by the way it wasn't one of those exaggerated many people, million plus people last minute parade 80-degree weather and not one arrest. not one arrest, people from all over the state of california came in and it was magical. the next year we lose and we are devastated and we think this is

the greatest thing and all of a sudden a miracle happens again but the intensity was there but not at the same level. there was this sort of, it just doesn't get better than this so when the niners won the super bowl, it doesn't get better than what we just experience so we were in that era. >> i just found it interesting. good to talk to you. >> thank you very much. i really appreciate it. thank you. species a young woman from the hill. >> u. r. mike, right? allen is here. >> lieutenant governor how are you? >> i heard you were a little under the weather. >> little sore throat but i wouldn't miss it for anything. >> you could have a million excuses. oh my -- i didn't even see you. >> nice to see you.

she is on her way here. >> is she coming by? >> i don't think so. she is in new york. she is on her way down. >> oh good, a bus from new york? what about the trained? >> it's $20 it takes four hours. you go from penn station to union station. >> that's more like it. i get it. that's good. i have been here for a week through philly and new york and d.c.. >> how do you do that all the time so early in the morning? we did colbert last night which was incredible. that was tough. >> was he tough on you? >> it was good. he is good.

it was fun, it was fun. >> i didn't realize that you were a pitcher. >> i like to talk about my athletic prowess. you can imagine how excited i was to still be mayor for that brief moment when the giants one the first world series. by the way i tried to get into spring training this year. i'm still working on it. one of the great things without overindulging the topic, i have my tv show and january 31 my last guest when i tried for your iphone europe from the garden and it was willie mays. i did a full hour with him and i spent an hour and a half and

edited for an hour. he is up there and he doesn't do these interviews. he had this book a few years ago and i did a charlie rose segment and a short store segment and that was it. otherwise he will focus on espn sports but this was his entire life. from new orleans to harlem moving to the army and coming back, san francisco. it was fascinating. it was awesome. so anyway, thanks. >> we need to let you go. >> you should be in the middle. >> okay, that works. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i'm coming home all the time

now and it's great. >> it's amazing. >> i'm in mountain view. >> but you are mostly hear? >> mostly here but i'm back in california. >> honestly do you miss being in the capital? you don't? >> how many years read there? >> i was in my seventh term -- 2 term and i just got into my second term. our best friend hillary was amazing. we got the treaty with the russians. >> that's right. that was one of the last things you did. that's good.

>> it was really cool. >> it's so strange you are not still in it. you are in it. >> i am always for you and you know that. >> sweet of you. that transition from mayor was more challenging than i thought. i was still in the mindset of wanting to get my hands into everything and realizing -- [inaudible] >> he is doing well. he has got the state operationally back in the black and who would have guessed? that taxes are a little high. >> all they talked about was that taxes. >> how are you? >> it's nice to have you.

>> nice of you to have me. [laughter] >> thank you. >> we had mike murphy on last week. he said i've got to move to nan sure. they are retroactive. >> it was never advertised, fair play. our tax rates are not competitive, period. it's just a fact. >> i have to figure out how to spend seven months of the year there. >> that's a little bit hard. >> it's not, there is no mass exit. there are just some disgruntled folks but there are a few i know that are on their way out. alex is on. >> yes, alex is great. >> i like alex.

>> he is a nice guy. >> when he does kind of the opposite, in a good way. >> and chris matthews. >> oh that's right, chris is back. thank you i really enjoyed it. >> who is the other one? >> chris matthews. >> that will be a first. >> the last time i was on it was with chris. he is probably looking going, not again. [laughter] [inaudible]

>> that's an advantage. i need my own show. that is the key. thank you, thank you. >> we just did some research on the show and i never knew this. "meet the press" has the highest concentration of buyers than any other television. more than 60 minutes and cbs mornings. the ratio of people that read them by 70 plus more books a month. >> interesting. >> we sell a lot of books. >> and diane sawyer. >> excuse me one second. thank you for being here. look how well quite a few are. >> i see you are wearing the uniform. >> i know, yeah.

ties are over-rated i have discovered. i am now learning freedom. thank you. >> so you have dumped the thai? they asked me to do morning joe this morning and eyes that you are not going to new york tonight. that was last night. then i got the e-mail on who was going to beyond and i said oh gavin is going to beyond. >> it's too early. how do you do that? >> what time are you on? >> they pick me picked me up at 5:30 and then you wait around. i am west coast time so do the math, four, three, two. >> do you take the train back? >> i love the train. >> that's what you do for a living. but it hurts. it's so hurts.

>> are you on call? is there a schedule for you that is consistent or is it we need you here? >> i got up this morning and i forgot to set the alarm and i woke up a little after 7:00. i went to my desk and looked at my calendar. i miss the 5:15 a.m. "msnbc" show. i thought oh my god. >> i'm a californian and i started my career working for jerry the first time around. i worked with jerry believe it >> which by the way is probably >> i will tell you something. there are a whole bunch of people