more and more charities and more donors to sign up to that concept i think we'll be doing well. >> host: thank you. >> guest: thank you so much. it's my pleasure being here with you. ..

>> may for women and family is published in many publications including on the issues and has worked editorially with the magazine teen voices. figure for coming to having your questions thank you so much and join me to welcome sarah erdeich to politics

and prose. [applause] eight. >> thank you so much. i have always been a fan of your bookstore even before i moved here. it is a daughter. of always been interested in codger shall topics anything not to discuss in polite society or lower their voices. reproductive rights, abortion fell along those lines. i grew up in the 80s and 90s in the liberal touted family but those are the years where abortion was under siege and literally in kansas and in the '90s so hearing will links the

people would go to, i was curious why abortion was such a difficult topic because growing up were i did women had the right to do what they felt was best. but in 2008 i began to work at the national abortion federation for women who had questions and, how much it would cost somewhere to get the procedure done. i thought i knew a lot before i worked there. in 2008 after losing college and had a number of friends and had chosen that for one reason or another or lived in areas that were politically diverse.

i was wrong. i learned every day how little i knew about reproductive rights. i would come home from work every day ranting and raving how far women had to travel, but they had to do to raise money in the most heartbreaking personally the women who would call and talk about the situation and then say you're the first person i have told. i cannot tell anybody that i no. , the dow heartbreaking they could not tell the people closest to them and that said so much out it is stigmatized in the links that women have to go to to get a legal self service.

nearly 2,009 the year times style section ran an article about the providers saying clinic directors who were starting to approach retirement age in no longer working with the approach eyes -- pro-choice movement. to have a lot of conversation where i worked after hearing the conversation i realized i am surrounded by the next generation of activists those who want to go to law school to work with reproductive rights and open their clinic.

said the future of this movement and so i started writing this book i did a number of interviews, could extractors but the focus was on 1973 or later to grow up to take this right for granted he still want to go into this field to take for granted. , did a lot of research with aspects of reproductive rights and their importance. i learned a lot from the process but also so given ways to examine male behavior. glided in interview was one of the last two abortion providers in the u.s., and the subject of tickets in protest also a documentary.

he is knowledgeable and passionate and he said and to me does your doctor do abortions? when i was completely embarrassed. i had no idea. i had never thought about it even though i was doing all the everyday doing nothing but thinking about it. he said to have to ask because of doctors are not then why aren't women protesting that doctors provide the full range of health care? so the next time i said i am not pregnant and i don't know when i will be but justin case, i do you do abortions? he said note personally i don't i was taught at georgetown that is said jesuit school with their doctors in the clinic five that are trained so we could

help you out. i was so relieved not that i ever planned on its meeting but nobody ever plan on meeting in abortion happens when you're not expecting it for reasons you cannot predict it's so knowing hata doctor in the clinic that i trusted was a huge issue but a lot of threats are still at the state level is bash -- especially in virginia. it is representative of a larger trend of targetted regulation of abortion

providers only those freestanding medical clinics and seek to impose unique regulations that are almost four clinics to do their work. the same building requirements as hospitals, the number of parking spaces, or the drinking fountains, laws that have nothing to do with health or safety but that is the reason that is given for these to be put in place. another trend bands after 20 weeks i know there is an attempt to put one over last year and fortunately that was shot down an agenda home state of arizona abortions are illegal after the 20th week the rationale is the

concept of fetal pain which is controversial depending on which a study that you read that examines when a fetus can feel pain. most think don't see if it happens that early or at 80 weeks but that is the rationale given to restrict the right that women need to take advantage of its their health is surrender the health of the fetus is threatened so the state by state and they don't make it illegal with certain aspects to gain illegal and that is the troubling trend to make roe v goal in name only.

abetted is nice to know that can be done about the trends with other laws seeking to restrict reproductive rights. most had a refrain throughout the interview that they don't think roe will be overturned but that is settled law for the supreme court to overturn that. but the threats to reproductive rights means abortion is so difficult to access that is where they see the real threat of the state level. as they realize this as it turned to the statehouse calendar activists are fighting through traditional

organizations like planned parenthood, the national abortion federation and also their own tactics conductivities, a social media, grassroots activities. man hears increasingly a sense to offer experience than you can open doors to work for planned parenthood that they don't always respond as quickly or as straightforward as needed because they are the holder into donors are allies in cannot be as nimble as earlier activists. there are blocks that serve a great purpose to make abortions more relatable in the activities more personal

and the things that get away from the sound bite that the way abortion is represented in the deuce reid to read people's thoughts and have conversations about what is going on and to work but in a clinic in who you encounter to be a clinic escort that people can get the service free from harassment. going forward while the large organizations have the role of the focus on the federal level but not engaged in the communities that they serve because of their structure. the younger generation born after 73 we have the knowledge that abortion is legal but we have seen with casey, gonzales the outlaws

alone will not change people's behavior. the law does not change people's mind probably nothing that samuel lido has written is enough for somebody to say i will do what they say. the way to change minds is to learn and lived experience and depth of the to go deeper into conversation to get beyond assumptions and stereotypes. i did a radio interview with "the post" very libertarian of progress avast what about the people they say they use that for birth control? i think anyone who says that demonstrates how little they know about abortion or birth control but the fact these

are common assumptions that people do think this people to do not flat out disapprove of the right to choose busy easy assumption made in our culture through having intimate deeper conversations about why abortion is a necessary. even if your man and have never been pregnant but why it is necessary as a bright that we should respect and protect. the best social media can help achieve this. been individuals don't consider themselves activist or to get engaged can do. one of the most important things that i as a resident of the district of people that can vote and elect

their representative to make a difference because that matters who is representing you at the state house is just as important as the house and senate and roy have the ability to say you are my elected representative you are doing everything except what we elected you to do. , subside there are representatives who do wonderful work and should be commended. floating is incredibly important. donating time or money to clinics or local access funds all these things matter and help keep some right accessible and legal.

with the simplest thing to do is talk about reproductive rights and contraception in our lives and a society. because the silence surrounding abortion allows the subjects to be stigmatized decree in environment where women are more comfortable talking to a complete stranger than their loved one. roe will allow to be killed by the death of 1,000 cuts in silents allows them to be the allies in people to be harassed. silence allows all of us to take there rights for granted that benefit men and women to not appreciate them for what they really mean

for our lives and society. talking about abortion is not easy especially feel now with the other person is thinking. several years ago i was on a flight from baltimore to detroit. the man next to me struck up a conversation and i wrote -- told him i wrote about the book i could tell by his language she was not pro-choice he was not anti-choice the use the term pro-life and ask the birth control question i was a little taken aback but i was glad to talk to him. i don't flatter myself i changed his mind i think i could present things that he had not thought about or that i had not thought about or ask a question i could not answer.

it is valuable to have a conversation to have a greater understanding where we even if you don't believe in abortion, maybe he at least won't try to restrict other people to make the choices they feel our best. on the flip side of his important to talk to those to our choice neutral. to within know so little about accessing services that day to enlightened them to have conversations about the reality of the abortion you can see how importuned it is we take the right now for granted that work for it and make it safer i'm sorry, enshrined.

my best friend representative in the same town as i did. she would not think twice but intel is started to talk her ear off she had no idea how much it cost of paul long women have to wait and she is one of the people i would think about when the people of was writing to because it doesn't matter if you are okay with the right to choose but not enough but to help protect the right for other people. his conversations are important to protect the rights not just for ourselves but our daughters and sons and grandchildren am so maybe in 40 years to live in a society that can

proclaim there's nothing wrong being pro-choice or trusting women are having an abortion. thank you. [applause] >> are there questions? >> ken therapy is a thing doesn't like north dakota or mississippi whose latest tactics for from ed others are following the example to require the doctor has admitting privileges at the

hospital and of course, they won't give them the privilege was this something that could be taken to court because they make tough federal law null and void so i am interested in knowing. >> that is a good question both of those are disturbing examples of the clinic in mississippi i a believe has the state of execution but could close anytime. north dakota it is not that far but they are getting there. the center for reproductive rights is mounting the legal challenge at the state level to keep the clinic open and i think it is the

anti-choice tactic to bring it before the supreme court so even if mississippi goes one way it is appealed which is good news for the clinic because if not if it is tied up in the courts cannot be enforced but with the justices that receded what is the ruling but what individuals can do, one of the best things is to be aware. the center for reproductive rights as the draw the line campaign. people talk about on nine petitions and letter-writing campaigns but it is important they need to go against what people want and those who live in maryland or virginia but pay attention to your

legislature because i am sure these are strategies if proven successful will be copied from the country so prevention could be the best approach. >> you raise a question but how far do people have to travel? i know and north dakota there was one clinic that may be close now but a doctor comes every so often and in texas it is very hard >> believe the north dakota clinic is still open, i believe it also serves south dakota so the one clinic for

both states. there may be private physicians and don't advertise it but for those women were the providers are few and far between it is an unusual to drive 10 hours one way. when you consider most states there are also waiting periods say you drug -- to the drive for china's. the first trimester abortion generally runs about 350 and $500 many will still cover that although not everybody does that but after the 12th week the price goes up it is very safe but it is

a more involved procedure. one of the women that i interviewed had an abortion then at 302nd weeks in had to fly from the east coast of colorado because only a few clinics could see her because of fetal anomaly is. cost $17,000. >> two quick comments. man with the clinic escort the question i did is they are surprised they need anybody to do that anymore. they think it is over and nothing goes on any more. of one of the most important

discussions you can have is people don't understand what pro-choice means. they will go through how they are personally against it for themselves but then and maybe somebody else and then i said that as a pro-choice means that is a good discussion. and to that point* may be others who are not pro-choice use the term pro-life because equating those to does not make sense a. love you are for life is life and choice is joyce the language used and talking about reproductive rights is important.

>> if you travel around the country and meet with state legislators do find women are much more supportive in men are opposing war you cannot make a generalization at all? >> i don't think so. negative equal numbers of men in favor of reproductive rights as women who are anti-choice. it is more about the personal experience. a lot of older providers are men. many people of very dedicated but i did not find it older female providers.

for those to be in favor of reproductive rights. >> moi this is a perfect opportunity to educate us in did take us through the talking points and the key points to make these arguments? a group is waiting for that and receptive. >> what i have found in bornu doing interviews is to let someone talk.

i gave him enough affirmation he wanted to know why i was interested in the first place and a working disorganization and they are important but if you let somebody else to direct a conversation he was more nervous than i was. and he asked a lot of questions and made a lot of comments i could not add on to. he was curious about the counseling peace that every woman will meet with the doctor or staff to discuss what to expect and i said i think that is great you have a half-hour to get questions and he said only a half-hour? that seems so short. i can see if you are

confused but i said i have had six operations note doctor severs sat down with me for half an hour to say here the risks and benefits here is what you feel afterwards or call for help. no one. to draw the analogy between what people consider common depositions don't talk helped him to see any medical procedure you should know the risks and benefits but to say they must sit 24 hours we don't do that with anything else. so that helped and another difficult conversation i had was with my mother-in-law who is very catholic and i'm not. she also asked me the question about abortion and birth control.

it led to a very interesting discussion and one thing i kept in mind is i really do want to have these conversations and they are valuable and being patient, not being defensive and meet people for they are not where i think they should be can make a huge difference. >> as you find access becomes more restricted we fight the battle all the time are you seeing a resurgence of networks like the chain collective that taught other women how to provide safe abortions?

>> the same collective was a group of activists in chicago, primarily female operating between 67 and 71 they were in underground network to help provide providers then they learned how to provide the care and became the providers. i cannot say anecdotally lee was seriously talk about here are the herbs and the skills they need if roe is overturned to get us together to go to state to state which would be a nightmare but activists are

definitely thinking about that but nothing i have heard of formally. >> although i do have three children and five grandchildren the thought of having any three aborted in retrospect would be impossible to live with. have you deal with the morality? like you'll have a tooth extracted. you know, how many since enacted. >> 50 million a believe. >> 55 million and you're not

worried there's not enough access? the life of the mother and rape are two issues but don't use support counseling of the women there are people who want to adopt. you seem to not except what this is like. >> the population of 55 million is the country i came from. it seems you are just detached. >> a do support counseling and the fact clinics make sure that women are confident and comfortable. i support social programs that provide education, contraception, and for families to of the

best opportunities. with morality i think i should not enforce mine on others or vice versa. i respect other people's opinions it is important everyone has the right to do what is best for themselves in what is best for their life and family. pakistan to you'd have a hard time if your child did not exist. i have a child myself and our society i could decide when to have been a child was best for me in my husband to give the best she deserves but to say just because someone is pregnant automatically means it makes sense for them to have a child and it is something

they have to do, i think that is the oversimplification. >> i come from an over privileged background and when i was a teenager we all knew that with any of my friends got pregnant and needed an abortion we could make that happen and could come up with the many in some way to make it happen. so with the class difference that's even in my 20s which was the start of some of the backlash knowing that we could fly wherever was necessary was the fallback option. as i have gotten older i do

realize we were a privileged class. and not formulating my question well but how does that sit in here because the women who have the hardest time driving the 10 hours each way twice coming up with $300 the with those of the women who cannot taken evening to come out and listen to an author and what can redo there of there they and write checks? >> that's an interesting question. even when abortion was legal people with the means to fly to hawaii or japan or england with they could access it safely.

look at the royal socio-economic splays and reproductive rights and health care is no correlation. one of the attorneys said looking at the harris decision that he will not see that against any other class except low-income. one thing to help with that class of women is what you are asking. >> for drawing that out that it has delineate -- delineated. >> it is an important issue that role is not addressed as vigorously as it could be that economics do matter so

that they can't afford this is the important aspect does a dance your question? >> and other pro-choice movement has been accused of being too white, educated, middle-clas s, but doesn't that feed into a broader health care choices access to health care, maybe i take you away and from the focus of reproductive rights for says overall health and access that may be lacking. >> there has been a lot of work on the subject of women

who live here unloading, and don't have access to the most reliable forms the contraceptions you have higher and planned pregnancy rates and other things not going along with safer is controls the to have more health clinics or affordable contraception like the iud some of that is something there are large -- a lot of organizations that does a lot of work in the communities to integrate the specific needs in terms of access and affordability.

>> with regard to mortality and morbidity weird divorce is illegal is 50 times higher than where abortion is legal. has that issue been raised with health care providers? >> not directly because in the u.s. it is not a concern. but the provision does have a good safety record and as the "journal" tells but when it was a legal through 73 a lot of the providers i spoke with who are practicing

would tell stories of seeing women brought in in the winter and unsafe providers or we try to use self abort it could have horrible complications or infections is so necessary for those who suffered. that is the fear now that as it is harder excess more women will turn to a safe providers and also to self of boarding. there have been more cases of that over the last few years. >> this may be out of your jurisdiction, but it is hard for minors and students to get the morning after pill but do you know, of any organizations or ways to

change that? [laughter] >> organizations i am not familiar rest as much as i know that there is a lot of affirmation from the policy side but with different state law and policy, and i know there are great to websites of where it could be accessed. i am for getting but emergency contraception i know that's in states that have the other laws regulating health care minders came and received chains to process and

national abortion federation and planned parenthood has good help. >> also the work about the stigmatizing abortion and pro-choice in pop culture. >> one of my favorite topics. thank you. i did examine one chapter the role it has played in pop culture because usually when in mainstream tv shows or movies, if the pregnancy is not intended either it is the common convenient ms. carey said a decision she has to make for the woman decides to have the abortion in the in the waiting room and change your mind which are equally it

acceptable ways except did as always presented a respective what is going on in her life if it would make sense financially, h or any other issues. so overall the media, of pop culture presents it as very rare that may be a woman would have been the case is but never the main character which is so at odds that one of three women in this country have had an abortion and that the only time they ever have then is a tragic situation and it destroys their lives.

but there are a lot of tv and films to take a more nuanced approach. i grew up near the the canadian border so i am a fan of the teen so barbara that has approached this subject many times the medical soap opera and praise anatomy and private practice could be unrealistic but it is notable because they addressed abortion and women can have this for many reasons and teenagers can choose to parent. private practice is the only mainstream network tv show that i know of that the main character is identified as the abortion provider which is significant. there is a great short film

called obvious child that takes a relaxed and realistic view. it is out there you just have to look for it. >> i think the 55 million number is shocking and an elephant in the room and what is disturbing is it speaks to the tremendous inequalities that we have parents who are for or forever reason to not get the resources to make decisions or to do it. we have none of these problems in every single person who gets pregnant has

every equal playing field to be developed, and no health problems, no economic constraints, is that the only way you can answer this question? would you force women to have a baby to give it to someone who really wants a child? it is very disturbing and i have a difficult time but a perfect world doesn't exist and you end up with the tragedy. a lot of people can't have children. >> those programs that encourage adoption that make it possible domestically or internationally are important. in the u.s. it can be a nightmare paperwork, and many, to say do that is easier said than done and

even if you do have a perfect world every pregnancy is wanted and the best health care and support and work environment to keep her job and after words, you can still have catastrophic health problems and fetal abnormalities. >> did a perfect world you don't have that either. [laughter] >> 55 million is a large number this shows how many men or women cannot get the education they need to have access to contraception it speaks as a society to insure every child is wanted and can be cared for.

you could want the child but not have the resources to care for them. maybe it speaks to the social safety net. >> now with the contraceptive pill the number would be reduced? >> that'd said good question. if both genders could use it at the same time, yes. i think the more reliable contraception the more you would see the rate decrease. think it gets to the question why there hasn't been one developed yet maybe that is the bigger conversation. >> thank you.

[applause] >> we have allowed a human rights nightmare to occur on our watch. since dr. king's death the vast new system of social control has emerged from the ashes of slavery that no doubt has him turning in his grave today. the mass incarceration of pork people of color in the united states is paramount to a new system that shows the young people to decrepit underfunded schools to high-tech prisons. a system that blocks for people of color into a permanent second class

status as effectively as social control once did. it is the moral equivalent of jim crow.

one. >> reid and know if franklin roosevelt ever heard of the call for health care as a right because even though he endorse the conference, he chose to go on vacation, a cruise. probably will deserved the three years earlier if tear refused to include medical coverage with the social security act because he did not want to antagonize the american medical profession. he did send a message of support to the conference but then the outbreak of world war to force the president's attention elsewhere. five years later january 11, 1944 in the "state of the union" address

roosevelt spoke to the american people about the war and especially the peace to establish after fascism that the one supreme objective can be summed up in one word, a security. not only physical security from aggressors but also economic security and social security. the individual political rights were necessary but not sufficient to guarantee true security then announced the economic belgrade's as some call the second bill of rights, included the right to a job and a living wage, housing, education, se curity in old age, get adequate medical care and

enjoy good health. even though it fdr missed hearing the speech he has echoes in the second to bill of rights. social rights is a supplement to political rights starting as far back as the french revolution but the idea of medical care was more recent. this discussion was common in the '30's and 40's because medical care itself was becoming more effective and starting to matter. before they knew about medical miracles like vaccinations, penicillin, an tiseptic surgery to extend the life and to withhold the miracles came to seem unjust.

and medical care was also starting to cost more in the average family could not pay for a hospital stay where major illness or the birth of a child out of wages it was not only life and health that cause serious financial hardship. that is why it is a matter of economic security as well as health security. as the demands of a social right to it was represented from people like florence greenberg the national prominence of the second bill of rights and finally adopted united nations and universal declaration of human rights after world war two's takes to eleanor