the special operations commanders. we have moved positions around and there's been a demand signal not just the so-called joint special operations command, but the subordinate command this initial operations by providing a senior and armed service officers for the first time, to ensure we are well centered. i get admiral mccray then credit for understanding there is anxiety at one of the first meeting i joined secretary kerry for us to keep the lines of communicating going and has been assiduously making sure he

touches base for senior state department officials as well. there is a need to ensure what these special operators or do i misunderstood in the country in which they are operated and there's transparency so we can make sure because these are better developed. and so. there may be some bumps along the road. i think there is a commitment to admiral mccray then undersecretary of defense she had to have that.

and that's why there's an agency process that helped figure out who is going to do what when it relates to assistants because the administration has reaffirmed it should be the state department, which has the authority over security assistance and we work closely with partners across the river at the pentagon in a way that saves the gaps they see need to be filled. iol has a tape to speak too much about that, but we have both a counterterrorism office intelligence research office recluse lacey to the

intelligence community and given the types of the emma leave it at that. the mac i.t. chat sites. if questions on two smaller issues. the question is what is.com listing your time. when i worked in policy planning, you are integrated with combatant commanders for their talents to make good use. second question is a global contingency security, which was an extraordinary action creating the contingency fund, $300 million they didn't have all of the strings the foreign

aid programs had. but what i've heard and maybe it isn't correct information the administration took a long time to come up but then i propose the use commanded a purpose in folks in congress that this is not the way we want the fund to be used. they have an extended the authority. how do you explain that reaction to initial action through congress? >> these are foreign-policy advisers to commanders in dod. in 2007, there was only basically the senior combatant commands and the joint chiefs, naval chiefs of operations,

marine commandant. for the first time, we've added a foreign-policy adviser to the joint chiefs of staff. ever now serving not just a cms command, so it's not just the ambassador for his final tour, but we are having more mid-level officers serving with two three-star commands and getting that experience and to withdraw from afghanistan, were not going to have as much as an opportunity for foreign service is to serve side-by-side in the military. it will be a key element of preserving the experience of working side-by-side.

our goal is to have political counselors and about others who have experience working side-by-side with military commanders. one of the things we found when i came into this job was that it wasn't considered necessarily a desirable job and we put a lot of effort into making sure those who do good work get promoted. if you get promoted, it becomes more desirable. we had more dates are foreign-policy adviser jobs last year, exponentially more than ever before and may see more advisers provided that we've ever had before. so that is a testament that they

have value thank them for their careers. i don't think you have it quite right. it is an extraordinary fund that we hope will be a real model for the future security systems. for example, when admiral mark raven i said you don't need an authority and a diverse projects will be notifying would-be for trading special operations forces with key partners. we've also modified certain countries to receive assistance. nigeria, philippines, libya. we didn't budget for that. would have been a global security contingency fund, which

allowed us to help nigeria is exactly what it's for. it wasn't budgeted for, but it became an issue, so we're able to designate at ever reprogramming money to help them orders security. so it's taken a little longer. but i could take a little faster. our congressional committees have a lot of questions about it. that is the part congress required and it takes time because each committee has their own issues are focused on. that is the part of that drove a taken longer, figuring out how to navigate the committees and their requirements. now that we've gone through this, we are hopeful that future will grow much mark quickly and these projects will get real

value. >> back of the room in the very last row. >> thank you for your time. to deal with north korea company mentioned north carolina -- is there any possibility of the united states are talking with them? if not, why? tell me your opinion. >> i'm not the administration spokesmen in north korean policy, so i'm hesitant to make news on a very sent to the topic at a very sent to have time. i'm going to put into secretaries, and insole -- console, where north korea will not benefit from this behavior, that we will consult with china as well about the need to deliver strong search, that this

behavior will not achieve the goals and that's going to be the focus of our policy. >> allen went, formerly with the state department. he mentioned earmarks a large number of items the state department control. how do you coordinate the licenses are issued on those items quite and secondly, what mechanisms you coordinate with other countries that many experts as saying items to countries of concern? >> excellent questions. our export control reform effort is designed to have a more unified approach. the ultimate goal is the four singles, which is single enforcement mechanism. sing i.t. system will be a

critical element coordination you're talking about, that right now they could not be done and see the licenses come in a make it easier. roulette no double take is for commerce and opinion. we will get to a single that anything a licensing agent d. so in terms of other countries, there's various non-proliferation regimes, which you -- is an agreement among countries. within non-proliferation bureau on how to control search and sent it in items are they talk about the appropriate level of control for dual use items that

have both a military application of commercial application and because of the potential military application, we want more stringent control than anywhere to anyone. >> thank you. congratulations on your accomplishment. i am paula stern. he talked about review of conventional arms sales and transfer policy and that they keep pleased to bring me an asset to date on the review by congress of major arms sales. back in the 70s i was deeply involved in the legislation that called for nelson amendment, which got embedded in the law that requires major arms sales be reported to congress for a period of review.

how is that working? does that part of your updating were prospectively expecting to see after you leave. could you tell us about that? >> for those of you don't know, my first job of government with the justice department that was the cochair of. and this is an issue that is near and dear to my heart because it was a major initiative that the administration engaged in. this is how do we consult congress regarding arms sales nid was for mccain and co. was up to congress. the staff to take a look at a sale and if they at, it was just halted. it could be months.

this is not just sensitive sales. it could be assailed to the united kingdom or france or germany that for reasons that may not relate to policy could be held up for 60 days, 90 days. so it didn't make sense that it didn't offer reliability industry and didn't force it to work on addressing those issues. soapy, with secretary clinton support, we initiated a nuisance to come both the foreign military sales as well as the reform changes. if it is a sale through our closest allies, will give you information will run the risk. so you'll see the information earlier than you've ever seen it

before. you'll know they'll see the licenses in the computer system that they've come in. we'll give it to you earlier as well. so you'll know what's coming. we've all seen the classified javits report. we focused on the sales they would be eligible for in the coming year and use that process of consultation future member congress might have concerns so they could prepare to prefab. we consider our closest allies, our nato allies come to give 20 days even before we notify, give congress 30 days. at the end of the 20 days, if we have heard from you, were going to move it forward. and this is again to our closest

allies. if it's not either ally it will be 30 days. most will take 40 days and then check in and make sure that you're okay. the result is then the times i've gone down and last year was the first year we were a bit more tentative and starting. at the end of the day, i want to emphasize this, if a member raises in the chechen, we will stop the sale and with committed we will consult that under before we moved the sale. this is not limiting congress' authority. introducing a degree of predictability, reliability and how the conversation take place puts pressure on me after 40

days we've got nowhere? you to call the staff director and if the vendor has a problem, it's good to know that the then we can engage and bring in a briefing team to address those concerns. i think someone congress that we would start notifying sales over controversial and with the tarot resolutions and disapproval. that is not in our interest to have resolution and i'm sales, so we want to be sure it is going to get through the am i very much value the consultation process because they have expertise as well and it's to hear about their concerns. subway strap the right balance

between project ability and reliability, but at the same time, so a lot of congress who played a significant role the law provides an advising sales to weigh in. >> i join everybody else here to congratulate you there's two areas in your area of responsibility. one is how you think about arms sales to china and military to military relations between the u.s. and china. >> well, we sell them to taiwan of course to my pad sells

packages during my tenure. during the first term. and so, billions of dollars of sales under the taiwan relations act and are consistent with this. we've managed obvious way the chinese and we have been able to manage the relationship of ensuring we have delivered significant capability to taiwan and this administration remains committed to the 90s to its obligations under the taiwan vacations. this is dod is, you know, has repeatedly said it would take to

develop -- further develop our military to military relationship with china. general dempsey of the leave is headed to china and i'm sure this'll be a topic of discussion. the value of military to military relations savviness channels and relationships can be helpful if a crisis should emerge or thursdays and the datasheet emerges and makes miscalculation less likely if you've had consultation. it is something dod will continue to pursue from the back. >> number question. >> i'm only today with rollcall. you mention they have, that's been zeroed out. i wanted to ask about the

rationale for going forward with our military cooperation with pakistan that look like in our conference urgency cooperation. >> we've been talking with pakistanis about the nature of our security systems and had one son they had delivered a significant amount of equipment under the program to help them develop a counterinsurgency capability. and our internal review and a ton of budgetary pressure as well as determining the program had accomplished object is to focus our assistance elsewhere and we still have requests for foreign military finance is packaged in an our discussion now, impact that the best use of

the military finance the to help meet our shared challenges. >> cabin, very easy a state. >> cabin she had, multiplier capital. one area will be cybersecurity, which will call for a new servicemember thoughts were programmed, increased capabilities. what does this mean to political military affairs bureau? is there some organization required? subset of skills to connect your offices? >> is a great, great question. the state department undersecretary clinton focuses on the economic aspects are legal aspects, so many issues that will determine if important to have a coordinator.

so we feed into the coordinator and issues. for example, my organization with the foreign policy of naysayer to the cybercom commander, which insures the sale of oil. when it comes to dod planning, i was in office in ankara policy office, which helps courtney dod planning. that is in a piece of it, but all of these various issues require the state department to create you a traitor organization that works with the bureaus in favor and you're absolutely right there's a lot of issues and feed into the cybercourt nader's efforts. >> time for one last question.

>> i am bobber check with center for stable analysis. he talked of a security analysis of high profile countries. i wonder what you think the most important with respect to relationship is that is synonymous' radar screens right now. >> i would say not necessarily country, but one of the great success stories is our assistance to amazon, which was the organization involved in the case and is a model for us. that is a case where you have u.s. voters on the ground fighting al-shabaab. in the fight against al-shabaab. it was successful.

al-shabaab coming in now, is on the run and could provide a real model. in a similar way, we don't want to put u.s. soldiers on the ground to have capacities to be able to counter the extremist. >> with akamai by to thank all the participants. reminding mr. on the record and congratulate you. [applause] >> i really learned this week

how humanizing politics is. it's about people that really interact and we learned that we can do this. well capable of the leaders of our country and it's about working together and finding common ground. >> for this program i was an optimistic the future because all the media shows is the negative that ask about the future and this program made us all more optimistic about the future of our positive work country is going. >> we get opinion, whether msnbc on the left or fox honoré, but every day they work together. justice kagan will go hunting in our senators are able to eat lunch together and it happens every single day. >> i feel a president obama summed this up perfectly yesterday. he was saying our country has always been in turmoil, but we

have people have found a way to get through it. i'm not saying i'm not worried about the future we don't have problems we need to fix, but when i look around this room and see 13 mines who want to make a difference for this country and want to do good and there's plenty of other people underage to want to make a difference in what to do good. i believe will be able to solve the problems we face today.

>> filmmaker ken burns has a new documentary that will air soon on pbs. we talked to him about it on friday's "washington journal." >> ken burns, documentary filmmaker. his new project is "the central park five", airing on pbs next year. why did you design to take on this story? tell us about "the central park five." >> guest: this began with my daughter, sir byrnes. her head and is the force behind this film and they very kindly took me along on this extraordinary journey. my debtor got interested in it. she is a fierce sense of fairness and this is one of the

great and just says of her times and pursued it. ashes are in the first pages, but opportunity to look over her shoulder and a this is a film. april 9th team, a young woman was brutally and left for dead and in the ensuing hours, five young african-american and hispanic surrounded up and eventually five of them charged with this crime. ..

>> this civic suit happened last year. so it is one of these things that you have heard stories about. especially these classic stories of injustice. it is part of the procedure and the like.

it appeals to them and it is also echoing back to the beginning. it echoes these really tragic things and you begin to wonder at what point do we say enough? and we have liberty and justice for all or do we have liberty and justice for people of a certain skin color or ability to pay? so that issues are not just about race, but class and just to sum it up, we are trying to asked some basic questions. how could this have happened? and who were these children, now men, they had had their lives robbed from them they were part of this in 1989. this wolfpack. they were these courtroom

artists. the president, all of the racial stereotypes, this was a progressive militancy. not jim crow at the beginning of the 20th century when the default option which usually to have them in jail and string them up. they do not have their normal skepticism. so i think that it is just an attempt in a very straightforward way, answer the question how could this happen and to get to know the five guys. finally come after 24 years. we are coming up on the 24th anniversary of this crime. >> we are talking about his new film. the central park five airs on pbs on tuesday, april 16 at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. if you'd like to talk with him, you could call us. republicans and democrats.

here is the front page of the new york daily news, back in the 1989 timeframe. this female jogger dies after savage attack by roving gang. that is what the headlines look like at the time. let's take a look at a article that shows us how the media was covering the story. >> in new york city this morning, a jogger is fighting for her life after a brutal attack in central park. >> viciously batter, wearing only a jogging brought in her hands tied over her mouth. >> the suspects are 14 and 15 years old who blazed a trail of terror. >> hitting another person with a lead pipe. at one time, the group is running in a pack of 25 youths. >> the victim is in critical condition. >> to skull fractures, a significant loss of blood.

>> and she lives from it is likely she will suffer from brain damage. >> the suspects were arraigned this weekend. age 14 to 17. some of the young men are saying that they were just wilding. it is a word that means attacking people and being on a rampage. some of the confessions are on videotape. >> a woman jogging in central park. central park was holy. it could happen anyplace else other than central park. it would've been killed anyplace else, but would not have been as terrible. it was for everybody. the crime of the century.

>> you have those that are skeptical and questioning the media. there were contradictions within each of the coerced confessions. there were contradictions between those confections. there was no dna evidence, the timeline did not add up. the cops had declared that this was pressure that was so great. they announced that they had a slamdunk case, and they didn't. this was the work of a sociopathic rapist who had attacked women two days before it and a woman had gone away describing to the cops and found out his name and then in the

focus of this horrible crime, they were a part of a whole group of 25 kids that had committed misdemeanors. others had committed felonies for which they were filed. if you are innocent, that is the irony, they had trouble with the lawyers and they got out of it. they begin to began to see that there was a big situation going on in the prosecutor's office. they realize the mistake that they let this guy get loose. and they just kept that. they didn't put the two cases

together. if kids went down for it and they finally caught this guy, civilians got him after he had raped several other women. they caught him and sat on him until the detectives came. they basically put the word out there about what happened. from the studios, there might have been some adjustments. that didn't happen and they were 24 years out and we still haven't sort of put a period at the end of this long-running sentence. >> host: we are talking about the new film by ken burns, "central park five." let's take some calls. >> caller: good morning. yes, thank you for taking my

call, ken burns. i was wondering, have any of these cases with these people -- have any of them wanted to try to get an out-of-court settlement for the civil court? that is my question postmark before we have a response that come into your member this happening? were you living in new york when this happened back in 19892. >> caller: oh, certainly, yes. >> host: or your memories? >> caller: it was really crazy. i can hardly believe that these kids were just doing this wilding thing and it got really crazy and that they had done other things in the park according to what the police have said. it was very believable at the time. >> guest: this was one of the amazing things.

i remember reading this incredible tsunami of tabloid coverage. it meant that we, as citizens, were questioning it. everyone believed that they have denigrate the african-american community believed that they had done it. governor, listening and nobody was safe. even if you're locked up in your house, you're not safe. after they were exonerated and their convictions rotate it, and served out their full sentences. they launched in 2003, we are coming up on the 10 year anniversary, a civil suit asking for damages for the arrest and conviction and imprisonment.

normally these cases are solved in a reasonable time. but this has not happened. the city said that this is a no settlement case. meaning that it will go to trial and they have done everything that they could to delay an. something which forced us to hire a lawyer. a magistrate agreed and quashed the subpoena. they have appealed and have brought us into this. for 13 years, another 10 years tacked on.

the city is protecting the reputation of cops and prosecutors who were involved in this. they accused us of doing a one-sided advocacy piece. we also found in the archival record as much as we could about the statements that were made. they were cowards hiding behind the skirts of the civil suit. but they couldn't talk about it. they couldn't answer any of the questions that we would've asked

>> what is so extraordinary is the reaction has been across the spectrum. they say, oh, yeah, i believed it too, here is the evidence. they are desperately trying to protect the reputation. one hopes that the mayor of new york will say, remind me again why you're spending hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions of dollars defending people who made a mistake 24 years ago. couldn't we put a period at the end of it. couldn't this be part of the legacy to end this case once and for all. not only for the families, but to those cops and prosecutors. just as a reconciliation. the rest of us as well, who are, by turns, responsible, not only for digesting this media, but

the usual skeptical things. >> host: let's get a comment from reporters that covered the story. this is from the film "central park five." >> i look back at the jogger case and wish that i had been more skeptical as a journalist. you know, a lot of people didn't do their jobs. this was a proxy at war. these young men were proxies for all kinds of other agendas. truth and reality were not part of it. >> host: do think there was an awareness of the time about some of these larger issues going on? the socioeconomic issues enact. >> guest: yes.

i do. i think there was an unfortunately it became a negative feedback. we were talking about these things but no one was actually addressing it. he was the lone person to say this is too quick to rush to these contradictions here. you can clearly see that they are obviously parroting behind the prosecutor asking the question. thirty hours of intense negotiations. because of the state of new york, which we try to describe, i'm out of control, racial divisions and between neighborhoods, there was a test of criminal justice system.

it was in many ways a reactionary moment. it was just so weird and so impossible. these running white women in this roving group of black basalt tests, everybody bought into it. we were discussing it from the unfortunate position of having something that wasn't true. so we were all living a kind of lie.

so donald trump took out ads in all the dailies asking for a return of the death penalty. would which actually led to one of the results of these cases, we just missed it, the media should have caught it. they should have entertained alternative narratives when there was no dna match. it was nothing on the crime scene on the boys and boys on the crime scene. at some point, somebody should have said, could we see about this guy that we just picked up?

>> host: this film by ken burns, it is called "central park five." let's hear from ron nonart independent wine. >> caller: this seems to be a problem all over the place. three guys from arkansas, kids that were put in prison for 18 years. they had to plead guilty to the crime.

>> the main reason main reason is the state doesn't want to be sued for screwing up. when they do screw up, they don't minute. nobody wants to admit that they did this. you know, they just can't admit it. >> guest: you hit the nail right on the head. this is an extraordinary story, "central park five." you're looking at a story, as i said before. someone who has been released after 20 years or 45 years if

there is not justice for all, there is not justice. >> host: let's take another call. >> caller: think you. my home town of trenton is pretty much a black hole. we have games roaming the streets, breaking out windows, assaulting people. it is happening in every city across america.

>> guest: why do you believe that they were up to no good? >> caller: i followed the story on the news. they were breaking things, using funds to provide youth. the attack -- >> host: are you white? >> caller: i am white. i am a european family that has been here from four generations on. >> host: let's get a response from ken burns. >> guest: it is very true and i understand the fear that bill has about the crime.

we fall into the assumptions that they are all the same. the same thing happened in bensonhurst. that doesn't happen in that way. he must have been up to no good. these kids were from good families. they were part of some racial groups. african americans were brought to this country as early as

1819. if we are going to say that they must've done something wrong, therefore all of them are up to no good, the crimes and the cities are actually going down. but that is not the american justice system. that is a soviet justice system. it doesn't work in the united states where you are presumed innocent until proven guilty and that you are charged in due time for crimes that you actually commit it runs counter to one of the reasons why we founded this country and one of the reasons why the ancestors move here. >> host: let's talk about the accused. here's his clip of him talking in his own words smack it down

to one point where they pulled me into the conference room. i remember saying to you guys can copout, but if i did something, i would have copped out. i would want least amount of time for what i did. >> if i didn't do anything, you could give me the rest of my life in prison. i didn't know what that meant. but i just knew that there would be no way that i would copout for something i didn't do. they said, it has to be all three of you guys. >> there is this juncture, these good kids, they had opportunities to kind of cop out of this thing including every

anxiety that you have about this. to come up to up to parole if they admit it, they get out earlier. they don't minute. so then, what we do, it it is kind of a chassis sized version of a very understandable thing, which is what happens when you attribute the characteristics to all of the others, then you missed the chance to see the humanity. and to see the poise with which

they are handling themselves now you begin to understand that film, it's almost like a lie detector test. you can go in there. i think you can go in, as he has listened. you are hard pressed with these central park five for having withstood what they did for so long. and they still have not received adequate justice. i am not surprised by these opinions, but i think it exposes us more than they exposed the "central park five." unfortunately, it is not always part of this.

>> host: hearing from a democratic hauler, kevin joins us now. >> good morning. thank you for the important work that you do. i can applaud you. this is such important work. and i would like to expand your comment about how this is a unique situation. everyday new york city, these are petty violations that are written. and it is a criminal court judge that comments and notes that he could not recall a defendant being brought in front of him drinking alcohol in public. of course, this is not at the level of the central park five. but it shows a systemic type of

racism which is embedded in the criminal justice system. the judge has been sitting on the court for almost 20 years. be selective criminal charges brought against the kids, most of them are black and hispanic. i think that's a big part of this. >> guest: this story radiates backwards with all of the historical precedents that we have discussed. it also radiates to the present. we understand with the best intentions, crime is almost a form of racial profiling and we

are saying that we are going to trade the possibly low crime rate now for a return to what was. i think it raises huge questions and very important questions about who we are as a people. again, it goes back to judging people as doctor king said, on the content of their character and color of their skin. it is dedicated to the former. >> host: ken burns one the news and documentary at academy awards of tv arts and sciences lifetime achievement award. >> guest: i'm not stopping.

>> his latest project is the "central park five." it is airing tuesday nights at 9:00 p.m. richard is our next caller. hello. >> caller: i've been on for 25 minutes, let me talk. a huge factor in why this happened is because for 50 years now, women like gloria allred are coming out on every tv channel saying that all men are potential rapists and they are abusive to women. that all men are just no good. this is why people don't question these kinds of things. i would suggest you ken burns, for your next documentary, do a documentary on the thousands -- and i mean the thousands. those of american women molested and stuck with underage boys on

order, everyone -- i am sick of it. >> guest: you don't want to be categorical about all things. women or whatever. but you do raise an important point. the central park jogger was severely raped and beaten and it was expected that she was going to die.

it is true that some other crimes jungle reported as much. but i think that -- an important fact, if you look at the crime, it is overwhelmingly part of that, particularly the violent ones that are done by men. and it leads to this theory that we have about vulnerability of people. that is what should be addressed. i think that important to remember that there was original

people who were involved in this book. always, our hearts are with her. the central park five have been kind and solicitors come even though she has no memory of the attack. so i guess we can reconstruct or not. and it is very detailed and her attack. >> host: we have another caller.

>> caller: i would like to say thank you for your contribution. this is not a new thing. it happens every day. they get revenues. they get government revenues and some people just don't care. and that is the way that i look at it now. [inaudible] i have not always been able to see a doctor.

but thank you, sir, thank you for spreading the word. >> the caller is absolutely right. it happens all the time. when you have a chance on tuesday night, watching the "central park five" on pbs, check your low local listings. it varies a little bit. you'll meet one of the five and he is hit by a policeman. he has a scar on his face. please use that in interrogations with the others. he says if he saw them do it, we will let you go home. quite often, they become

resisting arrest and this is the stuff that shouldn't be the united states of america, but unfortunately, it happens all too often. >> host: what are the lives of the central park five now? >> guest: all of them suffer from some form of ptsd. one moved to the south where he lives in anonymity. he keeps his head down, he takes care of his kids. i think that he fears about the big hand on his shoulder, even though he's been exonerated. the other four represent a band of brothers in new york city. they see each other frequently, they go to all the tile offense. they come out with us and they speak.

many of them have jobs. some have good paying jobs in the health care system, but all of them are scarred and how this issue. i think any of the viewers would consider where you were when you were 14 or 15 years old, what you look forward to in terms of dating and proms and cars and things like that, they were all there. and we didn't have that. they went from jail for seven to 13 years. something they will never get back. no amount of compensation can return the lost years, just as trisha can't get back to several days of, and the memory of what happened. you know, you look at it, they have an amazing articulate way.

they become students of the law. they have been patient in the face of this deranged tactic. including 25 years of employment health record. and the detectives who are required by law to keep their notes, remove them, and conveniently find them when a judge in his or her court said he will be cited with contempt. heaven knows how much of the taxpayers money is used to support this. the mistakes they made, they seem unwilling to face.

>> host: we are talking about the new documentary by ken burns. airing on tuesday night on pbs at 9:00 p.m. check your local listings. the film is called "central park five." we have a republican on the line >> caller: good morning, i'm a huge fan of yours. i love your work, i love your attention to detail and i think it is fantastic. i will be watching. i was very young when this came out. naturally, all the points you bring up are very true. you automatically assume that these five men were guilty. to see what they are put through, it's an aberration. it is terrible. i realize there a lot of injustices in the world. a couple of questions for you,

did you work with the innocence project on its? i was just curious about that statement after the film was done, we intersected with them. because they have done an amazing job of highlighting the criminal justice system and using dna to help exonerate a number of people and get them out of jail. more to the point, they spent a good deal of time going out to schools and groups, talking about their experiences. it is not a liberal thing that cares about justice. i understand that at times we do tend to go into camps. but i think that we all want a criminal justice system that is fair in london has a level playing field that can't be bought and one that honors the poorest as well as the richest among us.

there is a sense that if you have enough money you can get the kind of justice that you want. that should not be the case in the united states of america. we should stand by the constitution and our pledge of allegiance. suggesting that we are for something higher than that. did you have another question? >> my second question is do you plan on more collaborative efforts with your daughter, and if so, which way -- will she continue these types of documentaries or are you going to move on to a more historical kind of sense of where she's going? >> guest: i am a proud father and have a privilege of working with my daughter who is a brilliant young woman. my son-in-law, who i have been a

collaborator with for 15 years, you know, the attention to detail, this is still a historical case. so it's very much resent history of a historical presentation. in some ways, we had to brinpre. in some ways, we had to bring in elements that make this a kind of roller coaster ride. so my son-in-law and i, this is an appropriate question to ask. a feature film is being released about a fictionalized version of the life of jackie robinson. which i had the privilege to see. it is a traffic film that we are doing the documentary for. he was a huge part of our human history of baseball. we have been working for many years with his widow, rachel, which was very instrumental in getting this feature film made.

to tell a very complicated story about jackie robinson. in the same way that some want to pursue more contemporary subjects. so as a parent and never force anyone into this business, i am very happy that she will go the direction she wants to go in. and there is an artistic force behind the structure of this film. so much of the way that it looks and feels, she's in good hands. >> host: what is your next project? >> guest: we have alive. a planning out long planned, we have just finished a film, a 14 hour series that would be in the fall of 2014, believe it or not, an intimate history that gathers up just the larger social and political stories, but people

know what these scholarships reveal about their inner lives and relationships with them. and the family that has influenced middle americans. working on a film about dyslexic kids, publicly reciting the gettysburg address, the 150th anniversary of it. we have the jackie robinson moment we are working on, complementing this our series on world war ii and our civil war series and we are just beginning shooting a thing called i can't stop loving you, a big series in country music. so we know what we are doing here, and god willing, we will be able to do this. >> host: his latest documentary is "central park five", airing on wednesday on pbs. more comments, york city needs

an independent citizens panel that can look into any police incident that resulted in the death and ordered indictment. and dpw law says no one seems to care about the victim's right to the actual perpetrator prosecuted and convicted. >> when he did come forward, it is so ironic that the people who was able to admit a mistake was this sociopathic rapist. when he did admit it, he gave up details about the crime that the cops didn't think anyone else knew. his dna match and all of a sudden, the prosecution joined with the defense and asking the judge to vacate the convictions of the five, which happened in a nanosecond. but we as filmmakers were conscious of that every day, mindful of the victims and then the subsequent victims as well.

>> host: heather is on the independent line. >> caller: hello, how are you. >> host: we are good, go ahead. >> caller: i'm really happy to see that this film is going to be aired on pbs. it is such an important film. i want wanted to ask about the prosecutors in this case. after seeing the film, i was very young when this happened. i noticed that some excellent careers have been made off of this case, which i thought was very problematic. i'm wondering how you related with them. you know, can you comment on that piece and people cashing in on this? >> guest: there were two principal prosecutors. they were the head of the sex crime division.

elizabeth, who was the lead prosecutor in the case, she conducted the video with final statements made by four of the five boys at the time. she is a celebrated crime novelist. she had also overseen murder cases that took place at the same time. she felt safe to pursue a new career. it is the unwillingness of these folks to admit this and what has brought them the good fortune. i want to comment on whether it's right to cash in, people do this all the time. what i don't like the fact that i think that clearly many were

writing fiction well before retiring. the police office wouldn't give us an interview for this. we were begging him to. we suggested a polygraph at fort stewart and you can see as you watch these young men tell their harrowing tale you begin to realize, they really didn't do it. it's interesting to watch the archival material of the prosecutors, what they look like. after she had won the first of the two cases, they divided it and many were tried at different times and she looks miserable. she knew that she didn't have any dna evidence.

she knew the tactics used to convince these kids, they were all told if you implicate the others, we'll let you go home. once implicated the others come they were also implicating themselves and the others were implicating them specifically. they didn't go home. one kid was asked if he wanted to come down at his friend. he wasn't on anyone's list to roundup. he came back 15 years later. these are huge mistakes which they are still hiding behind. they came forward, they submitted answers to the questions that they had. and i'm afraid that is why they have been silent and this is what happened. >> host: in 2009, you talked about where the people were in the central park jogging case, where they are now, we saw some pictures of the ones that you

mention. a career of working high-profile cases and a crime reporter for fox five television news. later on he said he was convinced of their guilt. >> when they launch this ,-com,-com ma they were being defended. the law department department of the city of new york which pays out many monies in cases where related to this. there were also individuals and they are defending all of them. they are all insisting that this is your own department and they investigated. the judge granted this instantly. how can you still hold on? they bounce back and forth as well. the argument that they must have

done something down to where it is stored in this way or that. but then they caught covered richardson in the evening and the part. they didn't have any evidence. they tried to take him to the crime scene, which is really unusual. and it leaves something at the crime scene. and this is just not the way we handle it. it sounds like soviet stuff. the stuff of literature. there are many books going on about the new jim crow, the incarceration of black americans and the idea is that if you direct enough of them, they won't be the trouble that they once were.

that is not american. >> host: cohead, david. >> caller: how are you doing two. >> host: good. >> caller: how are you doing? >> guest: i am good. >> caller: you do great documentaries. i'm calling from oklahoma still today, there is a separation between blacks and whites and you were talking about the court system and there are two different senses of justice in the courtroom. michelle alexander, the used to be an excellent prosecutor wrote

a book about the new jim crow. you know, also latinos in prison. it is a really bad thing in america. it is more covert than it is over. like it was years ago. but it is there. it really is. and it's bad. pbs had a documentary that was probably the latter part of last year. the name of it was slavery by another name. >> guest: that is correct. >> caller: it was all encompassing. you know, if he really wants to

an eye-opening documentary, -- >> host: it seems like on the miami herald, that there is a film called before they die. talking about preventing an event to commemorate this film. some called the black wall street. >> guest: i think it's important to say that while it's overwhelmingly people of color who are the victims of this kind of justice system, it's also about class. the westminster three are white kids. this happened as well, and it's very important to know that this

is a part of it and it's a way to we kind of managed things. when the civil war came out, i'm speaking to a group in wilmington, delaware. and a young girl said to me, what is racism. i had to think and make an answer. i think it's a horrible flipside of an understandable human emotion, which is love. one that metastasizes, we institutionalize and develop and protect a kind of generic suspicion of the other. when we do that, we violate the tenets of our religion and faith and water neighborhoods and society should be about. and we violate the letter and spirit of the law of the united states. what we seek always is to figure out a way in which we do not look at the other and first described them as a red state or blue state were young or old or

black or white. gay or straight. whatever distinctions that we impose. we are preoccupied and we forget that we all share almost everything. they are unfolding not just the incarceration, but revealing themselves to us the way the neighbors and friends do. if we could just put aside the petty things. and perhaps return some openness towards the others. we might be able to address the kinds of questions that the caller in tulsa and many others today -- sometimes i think it is misguided. also a sense of what we do about this. they are not the only victims. what can we do to change our

system. it is a mere that we all have to look at. we are not very good people, we are often at the end of the film -- we analyze and we think of ourselves. but then we turn and go back to our lives. maybe there is a call to action in all of these things. >> host: the media pushes the previous dramatization here. guess viewers and website visitors. >> i think that this was a story that was so impossible that everyone swallowed it whole. in fact, a sociopathic racist

that struck before, they didn't connect the dots and then they missed it and went towards this end were permitted to rape and murder a pregnant woman, it is just one of the tragedies that i got away for so long. it was because the story was so compelling. we need to be careful about how we tell her story there is a tendency towards the hyperbolic, the greatest, the deadliest, all susceptible to it in a way. it's so important that we not have a third person there, that we could pull out any attempt to overdo this. to just have a story about the

recovery. but we realize that we need a story to be hyperbolic. a good story, but we have to look at it with sober eyes. >> host: "central park five" airs on tuesday. john joining us from avon lake ohio. >> caller: hello, mr. burns. good morning and thank you. my concern is what does this film really accomplish? other than being inflammatory. inflammatory is the wrong word. but we are all making matters worse. as 14 years old when i was watching from mcdonald's and my friend and i -- we had to stay

there and watch what happened. this wonderful depiction of what you have described earlier, there are no preconceived anything, that we shall live in this wonderful place. [inaudible] my friend got pistol whipped,. >> host: i'm sorry that happened to you. but please take us into the present. has this affected you with other people? >> caller: those things cannot affect you. they cannot affect her. enjoying the company of other men and women, yes.

>> host: what was the lasting impression on your life? >> caller: it is an offense. when you see this person coming at you. you can run, but you cannot hide. >> host: okay, we have heard callers both black and white talking about preconceived notions. ..

and they have to earn that friendship. that's true for everybody. wait, black, brown, yellow or red. human nature is the same. there's no one raised dedicated to crime. one thinks the last century in which the mass murder was committed by the three worst mass murderers were two white guys and one yellow guy and now are we going to suddenly make assumptions about adolf hitler asserted categorically speak to that? no, we don't. so we know human nature is the same, the pigmentation represent

a fraction of 1% of what makes us different and the rest of the same. we have to struggle once again because it's a outcome of the anniversary of his assassination, because these, but they're only path to go when we judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin and clearly had nothing to do with the color of their skin, just the content of the character of the man that assaulted you an very sorry for the circumstances, but not categorically said jazz that kind of hatred or larceny are felonies in the heart of every african-american because you would be very surprised when we think about the history and the african-american contribution and that's part of what we try to do. the historian arthur sausage richard burr said all of my sons have been about how we can be

together. that black moderate the united states cannot try to do that hennig inc. is no more successful than in "the central park five" because the guys revealed the sameness of the site you can to you and me and that's what we need to remember every day. so we don't look across the street and just the black guys that we need to be fearful of. >> host: ken burns come his new film called train i. "the central park five" see on pbs tuesday night. check your local listings. thanks so much for talking to her audience this morning. >> thank you.

>> immigrant in several states

states -- one of those rallies for thought on the national on the inadequate remarks by vincent gray thaws bob menendez and congressman luis gutierrez. [cheers and applause] >> good afternoon. that may welcome a trade nation's capital, the. this rally right here on the floor of the cab abolishes america that we care about reform. [speaking in spanish] >> and we care about a pathway

to citizenship. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] i am honored to be here at this gathering from a gathering of everyday people right here in america in our nation's cap of. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] i'm glad to be here with people who are supportive of comprehensive and humane immigration reform and america. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] i want to extend a special welcome, a special thank you to all who organized this rally today, to send this message to america. [speaking in spanish] as mayor of this great city, i

signed executive orders to make that note d.c. government public agency would ask anyone for their immigration status. [cheers and applause] [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] and was serving as the chairman of our counts the hearing d.c., i introduced legislation that may pass legislation to fight against the community and consider resolution.

[speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] that's not what we are congress to do is to introduce and pass a bill that creates a process for undocumented immigrants to earn citizenship. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] we want a law that keeps our families together. [speaking in spanish] we want a lot that enacts the dream though, education for alien minors, a dream act.

[speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] we want a law that respects the rights of workers in america, all workers. [speaking in spanish] and we want a law that protects the most vulnerable among us. women, children and lgbt communities. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] there is strength in numbers. no one can ignore us today because the time is now. the time is now. the time is now. the time is now. the time is now. let's get it done. let's get a lot to protect the

11 million undocumented immigrants in america so they can earn citizenship. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] [speaking in spanish] >> many mistakes to rivera is. i am here to support immigration reform. i have with us today a lot of great leaders of the state of maryland, beginning with state delegate, council member will campbell and state delegate, luis gutierrez. [speaking in spanish]

[speaking in spanish] [speaking in spanish] is a great pleasure to be here this evening. and i want to tell you something. [speaking in spanish]

most immigrant families in the united state, no matter what the standards and i matter where they choose to live, rants at work, contribute to state and local revenues by paying property sales, auto, gas, federal income taxes. in our county committees taxes pay for schools, roads and other government services. immigration status does not accept anyone from paying taxes. [speaking in spanish]

[speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] [speaking in spanish] the united states is a proud tradition of being a land founded and built by immigrants as our nation's first president, george washington said, in 1783, while addressing irish immigrant, the prison of america is open to receive not only the

opulent and respectable stranger, that the oppressed and persecuted abominations and religion whom we shall welcome to a participation of all of our rate and privileges. [cheers and applause] [speaking in spanish] [speaking in spanish]

[speaking in spanish] [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] >> now, i would like to introduce their sister in labor. the [speaking in spanish] not just a labor leader, but someone who was a mentor to me. i am proud today to welcome the executive vice president.

[speaking in spanish] >> the time is now. the time is now. it takes champions, brothers and sisters. it takes champions in our senate to make sure we have a bill that leads a pathway to citizenship. senator robert menendez was one of those chance to. prior to becoming a senator he represented new jersey's 13th congressional district and he is fighting in a bipartisan way to make sure we get it that we can be proud of. ladies and gentlemen, senator bob menendez. [cheers and applause] [speaking in spanish]

[cheers and applause] i am thrilled, i am thrilled. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] i am thrilled to stand here on this beautiful day. i am thrilled to stand here on this beautiful day in memory of senator ted kennedy, someone who is our chance via admission to other democrats to say yes it is finally time. ted kennedy stood at an immigration rally just a few short years ago and said, i look at this historic gathering and i

see the future of america. and today, we stand as brothers and sisters to shape america's destiny and i am thrilled to see and hear on similar day to reiterate those words and to honor all he did to focus america's attention on the need for immigration reform and to stand with my colleagues in the house are the senators, and congress to say that we will make comprehensive immigration reform a reality this year. [cheers and applause] to say what the american people have said poll after poll, and that they comprehensive immigration reform and we will do it in the senate and we will do it together. it is in the nation's interests.

it is an art economic interests. it is in the security interests of the united states to have been immigration reform. we cannot know how to protect america if we do not know who this here to fulfill the american dream versus who is here to do it harm. we have to get those in the shadow into the lake to have an opportunity to earn their citizenship and be part of the dream. and we know as does every american who is honest with themselves knows if you had fruit for breakfast this morning, it was probably picked in the hot sun by an immigrant worker with it went back and a sunburned head. [cheers and applause] we know if you had chicken for dinner last night it was early cut of the callous hand evan

immigrant worker to provide you your dinner. we know that if someone in your family who needs care, can't take care, the chances are that it is an immigrant worker whose steady hand and warm heart is taking care of their daily necessities each and every day. [cheers and applause] we know some of the most successful high-tech come the nascent america were founded by an immigrant in the united states. these are people doing the jobs to build america and it's time to give them the dignity they did their and the opportunity to earn their way to the american dream. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] the gang of eight senators --

[chanting] they can't have eight senators of which i am one, democrats and republicans have come to an agreement on all the major issues we are writing the bill as we speak and it will be a strong foundation that we believe can be used as the judiciary committee starting next week, that move to the senate, give input in the house of representatives and ultimately sent to president obama to sign. [cheers and applause] now let me close by saying terror cell opponent to the idea of immigration reform and we must join together. [speaking in spanish]

>> thank you, senator has. he mentioned the house of representatives. it's now more than a great honor i had to introduce to you a congressman who has marched, who's got arrested, who has rallied, who has put the walk behind the talk. senator luis gutierrez is our leader in the house. he is to chair the task force on immigration for both the democratic caucus in the house congressional hispanic caucus in acres about immigration reform for all americans. i gave the representative luis gutierrez. [cheers and applause]

>> to time in this? the this? we have congressmen rate here with ice. get a round of applause. [cheers and applause] congresswomen napolitano. [applause] congressmen hinojosa. [applause] from the fighting state of arizona, grijalva. [applause] from texas, congressman doggett is here with us. [applause] congressmen to chair a --

becerra. [applause] and someone working hard from new york, congressman charlie rangel is here with us. [applause] and from texas, [speaking in spanish] and from the fighting irish of new york. anybody showed up from california, here with us today. [applause] [speaking in spanish] congresswoman vasquez from new york. [applause] simoneau has been fighting for immigration reform and taking share regardless of where you come from, whether it's the

dominican republic, jamaica or ireland or mozambique, no matter where you come from, she is fitted to defend defend this immigrants here. congress a menu that clark from new york -- yvette clarke from new york. [cheers and applause] [speaking in spanish] from florida, joe garcia. [cheers and applause] the time is >> now. >> the time is? >> now. >> if we are citizens who voted in november and watched on election night is that those came in. i don't care if you are watching on english tv or a spanish or in

some other language, you saw how the very educated tbx pairs, one after another said it was the team as an asian and african immigrant. it was their children and their friends and their families, committed to their communities they return barak obama to the white house. [cheers and applause] we deliver the votes that deliver the states like nevada, colorado, mexico and florida to the democrats in the snows came with a great deal of hope and trust. the people who return president obama to the white house put trust in him in the democratic party to deliver on what was promised and it is not simply they rejected the other candidates. yes, they rejected the call every state passed off like s.b. 1070 that was passed in arizona.

they rejected the threatened veto of a dream act. yes, we are all aware they had based their pressure immigration on driving on 7 million undocumented immigrants out of the united states, by forcing them to self deport. latinos, asian, african immigrant, citizens and their families voted in record numbers for president obama despite the most tremendous and deportation of any president in history, despite 1400 deportations a day and 1.6 million people forcibly removed from the united states. the neo-that was the road and that was the way to stop the deportations and today we are here to say [speaking in spanish]

[cheers and applause] and we are here. we are here to make a simple and their demand that the premises of immigration reform in going behind the dreamers -- beyond the dreamers, now we have 500,000 young and women, undocumented youth that are safer and deportation and now they say, bring your moms and dads out of the shadows, too. [cheers and applause] i will tell you what i've been telling people across the country. i will tell you what i've been telling people across the

country. work hard, pushed us, keep pushing us and together we will deliver immigration reform this year. [cheers and applause] you need to guarantee that you give me and my colleagues and the congress says the united states no place to hide. there are no acceptable excuse is for failing to pass immigration reform this year and no excuses will be accepted. for my own part, when i say things are slowing down, i think of the woman who came to me in salinas, california. she told me to quiet those that she could no longer wear a dress because she was so embarrassed to show her knees. her knees to cut garlic to flavor food, there were so bruised and raw, she covers that were spared.

and they go to work on immigration reform a reality. her hands and knees and shoulders are a lot like other knees and hands and shoulders that put food on your table every day. but it's a funny thing about the hands and knees and shoulders that pick our fruits and vegetables. doesn't the same arms that built our home, care for children, parkero cars, clean our offices, knees and shoulders are attached to people. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] but we must have laws that respect those people. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause]

[speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] [speaking in spanish] [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause]

[chanting] [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] [speaking in spanish] when i say goodbye to my wife and children, and a new one being, that i was coming back after a week here in washington d.c. [cheers and applause] we must understand the urgent d. of our fight and struggle. they will deport 1400 people today. there'll be 300 americans listen

children who will come home to not find their dad or their mom. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] i have the protection that we will fight until everyone who works in america and what to return to their families has the same protection that every member of congress has with you today. [chanting]

[speaking in spanish] [speaking in spanish]

[speaking in spanish] okay now we want to welcome someone who was instrumental in putting this whole thing together. please welcome to the stage who's going to introduce the next session. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] >> at afternoon, brothers and sisters. it's a beautiful day. and deepak barbato at the center for community change and we are proud members of the fair immigration reform movement. over the last few months, we've organized a national keeping families together bus tour that is lost 30,000 miles, visited

nine cities, 20 states and 100 members of congress all over this country. i want to recognize the amazing women and men who comprise the leadership which has been on the struggle for 15 years. they are the heart and soul of our movement. they organized in the streets, box in here in congress. let me introduce the alliance for justice i.d. in the action network, the alabama coalition for immigrant justice. arkansas united coalition, concept in maryland. center for community change. colorado immigrant rights coalition, coalition for humane immigrant rights of los angeles, al centro from new mexico are here. the florida immigrant coalition is here. the illinois coalition for refugee rights is here.

the latin american coalition from north carolina is in the house today. [cheers and applause] maine people's alliance, baker wrote new york. the massachusetts senator right coalition, national people's action, nebraska appleseed, one american and from washington state. pennsylvania immigration coalition. plane from nevada, promise arizona, sunflower community action from kansas. tennessee come immigrant and refugee advocacy coalition. from all over this country, we are organizing. [cheers and applause] it is my honor to introduce to you today, catherine to bear us who will speak for families and everyone who needs immigration

reform this year right now in 2013. she's 17 years old from columbia. she lives in queens. she'll bring her mother who works as a home health care aide. she was president of her high school class of international high school in queens. she's a leader in the fight for the new york state dream act and for comprehensive immigration reform that keeps our families together. please give a warm welcome to catherine to bear us. [cheers and applause] [speaking in spanish] [chanting] [speaking in spanish] today i am here not to tell you about my story anymore, but i want to talk about this amazing

woman who's next to me, my hero. she's my mother. [cheers and applause] as you stand here today, i want you to look around to other people surrounding you. we are all here fighting for immigrant justice and all the rights we have. you know, as you stand here, i want you to think about your mother, your father come to your cousins, uncles, family members and think about their dreams and the sacrifices they've made to keep this here together in this country. we are here because of them. we are here because of all of us. [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] a couple months ago before today, i asked another, what is your dream? what she told ms. katherine, my dream is to be healthy so i can give you a future full of opportunities and success like i never had before.

this moved me a lot. it is my motivation to be here today and for us to be here today. they are the original dreamers. we need a comprehensive immigration reform included with every single member of our community. then another night in the crater from columbia almost three years ago. since that moment there hasn't been a day this amazing woman takes a break from being a mother, a father, a best friend and the most amazing human being that i've never known. [cheers and applause] [speaking in spanish] sheriffs as a home health aide from an day until some day and every afternoon when i'm in school a dedicated myself to education, she is at home getting ready to go to work, to a job that is very hard to do.

it is unacceptable that the system does not recognize my mother for who she is because we don't have a regular immigration status. i am tired, just as many of you are tired of seeing and being apprised. not because of their skills come in because they're very talented, but because supposedly they find the person in the united states. that's why we're here today, to fight for our rights come into sight for a change in the current immigration policy. for sending a message that the time to do right has come to pass an immigration reform, with a path to citizenship that will include every member of our community and will not leave anybody behind. we are fighting for allah and documented undocumented immigrants. for families here today, for families back home in families

that have been separated because of our immigration system right now. [speaking in spanish] [chanting] [speaking in spanish] [cheers and applause] chant [chanting] okay, with that to introduce my brother in labor.

he's the president and a hero to security officers all the way from connecticut down to florida. please welcome president of sci du. [cheers and applause] [speaking in spanish] [chanting] brothers and sisters, it is not on there for the next segment of our program to introduce to you a group of speakers.

they not only talk about immigration reform, they visit every day. they represent millions of workers throughout our country and they are united here today to say that the labor movement stands with those who seek immigration reform now and the labor movement. we work hard to make it happen this year. these leaders join together when we needed to fight for health care reform. these later joined together during the years of a movement to bring justice to millions of people in our country. these leaders work hard that they be paid the same pay. these leaders today start with you to say everybody in america

deserves the same rights. we want immigration reform now. [cheers and applause] [chanting] [speaking in spanish]

for this and sisters, welcome. welcome at the open arms the father and leader who was begun behalf of our great group of labor leaders today. we're going to hear from the president [speaking in spanish] mary kay henry. we're going to hear from the president of the autoworkers [speaking in spanish] we are going to hear from the vice president of the national teachers union. and we're going to hear from the united farm workers [speaking in spanish] >> thank you, hack story. 200 years ago, when our country

was founded, and worker workers, african american workers, white workers said enough is enough, we deserve better. we desire to be part of the american trained like everybody in our nation. the time is now for freedom. [cheers and applause] the time is now for equality. [cheers and applause] and i'm joined today by two members of our union, many of whom are represented in this crowd. who fled el salvador 30 years ago. [cheers and applause] zoila had to leave her children in el salvador for 10 years and toyota is here today as a citizen of this country,

fighting for the rights of all immigrants to have citizenship. [cheers and applause] i am joined today by judith howell from the caribbean and from georgia. judith is a conglomeration of caribbean families in new york. she said to me, every worker deserves an equal shot at the american dream. we need to bring 11 million workers out of the shadows and into full citizenship once and for all. [cheers and applause] these two sisters and all of the labor of endless line stand on the shoulders of workers who have the courage to say enough is enough. we deserve better. are going to join hands in this

country and change it once and for all. we are joined by communication workers, health care workers, teachers, farm workers, workers all across this land who are with us in spirit today. they couldn't take off work like we did, but bear with us us in spirit today. they want us to keep coding, to keep pressuring congress because we are going to pass commonsense immigration reform now. [chanting] and now my brother, rob came from the autoworkers. [cheers and applautoworkers. [cheers and applause] i am so proud to be here with my sister from the uaw, our vice president, cindy estrada. i'm proud to be here with nelson

rosato. i'm proud to be here at the executive director, hector sanchez. i'm so proud to be here with a uaw member and activist or immigration rights, cindy garcia. we are so proud to be here today with all of you. change never happens unless people come together, demand, march, you are doing what it takes to bring justice to immigrant workers. be proud you are making history today. our union is part of our history is standing up for human rights and civil rights and giants like that to martin luther king, senior chavez who are so proud to be standing here today with

you. we commit to stay in the movement, to march, rally, sin and, whatever it takes. we are in a fight with you. we will demand a clear path to citizenship. we are going to demand they miss the united. we demand all immigrant workers, united states workers have the right, collective bargaining and fair wages and benefits. the time is now for immigration reform. the time is now. [chanting] [chanting] how is everyone doing?

the people on the back, how are you doing? the people in the front, how are you doing? the people on the side, how are you doing? people over there, how are you doing? the time is now. i come from brooklyn, knee-jerk. more importantly, i am the daughter of two immigrants who came to the united states of america from jamaica west indies. the congressional black caucus stands at the two number one who is here today and across this nation who wants to have comprehensive immigration reform now. we know that for too long, our families have suffered.

our community has suffered because of the inaction of those who know what is right, but have refused to stand out. each and every one of you have stood up. you have made it known, loud and clear, that we will no longed clear, that we will no longer stay in the shadows that this nation because we are this nation. each and every one of you, you are this nation. and if they can't hear you now, they'll hear us again next year in the elections come around. they need to know that it is time to start a 21st century immigration system that respects all human right, that respects the rights of the workers, they respect the rights of the

mother's, they respect the rights of the fathers and children who are here and donate there were these now. it is my honor and privilege to ask that my colleagues, congresswoman sheila jackson lee join me as we bring to you other allies. there was a black faith to immigration. that faith assuring that the latino faith, asian date. the faces of immigrants around the world. we want you to know that we stand together in this movement for freedom. standing with us as well is a gentleman who sat across this nation for justice. he's not across this nation for being on the righteous side of all issues. he is none other than the 17th

president and ceo of the naacp. [cheers and applause] [chanting] >> good afternoon, brothers and sisters. i am president of the naacp. i am joined today on stage by members of the naacp, leaders of the naacp who marched to fight h.b. 56. [cheers and applause] who organized last year to help pass the dream act.

and i'm joined on stage by other brothers and sisters who were born in the caribbean, who were born in africa and all of us together say that the time is now for immigration reform. let us all reflect for a moment on how we are a place where today and focus on where we need to go from here. join me if you will, think for a second about the last time you were in a public classroom or a citizenship ceremony and yours somebody say the pledge and it got to the last part that tells us what the great u.s. of a stands for.

and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [cheers and applause] why do we say that? we say that because in this country, it is our conviction that there are common that there will be no second class families . not to be sure our nation was not always the nation and after he became one, were not clear or destiny was to even be one nation or we would insist on having liberty and just as for our brothers and sisters. in the history of the nation is fear and can be sisters. in the history of the nation is fear and can be nation and dedicating at the history of our nation shows us that it will

always defend towards justice, that it is to one nation. if you look in history, you see small groups of people like us here today, who have always stepped forward at a key moment in history to say that it had the courage of our national conviction and let us truly chart our course through the day when america truly has no second class families. [cheers and applause] think about a brothers and sisters. 350 years ago, there is the first of what would be many slave rebellions. it was actually an irish indentured servant in african slaves who set up shoulder to shoulder to rip out against the

king of england who said they forever be indentures serving and forever be slaves. from that moment forward, the struggle has always been about our children because in this country as they said bad, there will be no second class families. [cheers and applause] and then 150 years ago across the road in virginia and the w. fusion paint the civil war had ended with a nation and a question, what happened to black people in this country and what happens to the way families who joined the confederacy? what happens to them? there is a great compromise called the 14th data to the constitution that says we don't care what your parents did and we don't care what status your parents have, no care where your parents came from.

if you were born here, you will be a citizen because in this country there will be no second class families. [cheers and applause] 50 years ago, right here this summer, dr. martin luther king from the naacp called for the end of segregation and with it, the end of a whites only immigration policy. and we did so because we sat in this country there will be no second class families. [cheers and applause] and so, we are gathered here today, ultimately in the interest of all of our children. we are gathered here today to say let us ensure every child who grows up here, who graduates college here is able to stay here, work here and raise their

families here and the citizens of this country because in this country, there will be no second class families. [cheers and applause] let us ensure those 11 million people who come here, pay taxes here and a better future for their families here and whose loved ones are somewhere else, wanted to come here. but i stand up and say, make them citizens to join them because in this country, there will be no second class families. and finally, it is the time now to pass comprehensive immigration reform, for commonsense solution and for our

nation's value to solve the problem going forward because the destiny of our nation is to be one nation under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all because in america there will be no second class families. [cheers and applause] [chanting] >> thank you so much. [speaking in spanish]

[speaking in spanish] >> are we going to pass immigration reform? congressman knew judy chu and i have chaired the congressional asian pacific caucus and i am joined here by the chair of our emigration task orders, congress member mike honda.

and we are here to say asian pacific islanders on comprehensive immigration reform and we want it now. you know, asians are the largest group of immigrants come into the country every year and one in 10 undocumented or asian pacific american and millions are static waiting just how long to be reunited with their @amilies 24 years. families 24 years. that's why they must create a pathway to citizenship. that's why we must keep families together.

and that is why these members of congress and these asian pacific islander organizations join you and working on comprehensive immigration reform [applause] they've traveled all over the country to join this rally that we will not talk until we pass comprehensive immigration reform. [cheers and applause] and now, we have someone who has worked tirelessly. but nature ducie executive director of the service and education can torchon.

[speaking in spanish] >> i'm executive director of the national service and education can darshan. standing here with me are my sisters and others who are fighting tirelessly for the rights of asian americans and pacific islanders, for the rights of all immigrants, for her children, argues,, women, men, workers, families, communities and for our country. they are the southeast asia research action signer of americans eating together. national asian pacific american women's forum. labor alliance, the asian american justice winner.

the national alliance, the national coalition and the national council of asian pacific americans. asian pacific islander health forum in moscow now these commendations association of asian pacific community health organization. we are documented. workers facing worker exploitation. asian-americans have been in the united states since 1400. however, we do not have such an honorable history of legislating who is or is not worthy to the united states. teachers versus brothers versus

teachers versus brothers versus sisters and yet we still have not learned from our past. we are here yet again who is or not to find us. who is not worthy of a green card, is or is not worth the price of basic human rights. that is not right. it is clear from what we hear from the members that high-tech employees we value our now a preference that it must give it the ability for a u.s. citizen or brothers and sisters and children who are married. that's not right. it is not to accommodate the interests of big business.

the small businesses have drive across the country, sleeping towns and cities. employing employees and millions of dollars of money into the economy. i do not know how our legislators to find family, the family to me as my partner, my children, my mom, my dad in the fight on school finance who now runs on businesses. a young woman from chicago at currently in the philippines we need to reunite. in the attack on the family immigration system is an attack on families. we are tired of the talk. are you tired of the talk?

we are tired of congress pitting our communities against each other. patients against latinos. the tenets against african-americans. men against women. they are tired of being separated for long backlogs of deportation. we are tired of women and young people unable to go to school and we are tired of immigrants being treated as criminals and living in fear. [cheers and applause] we are tired of the talk. if you're going to talk the talk, you've got to walk the walk. congress must act now. the time is now. the time is now. [chanting]

recommence commerce invite us to pass legislation that is a broad and simple process for a path to citizenship and women's work and women workers to keep families together, including same-sex households and improves and strength and feminism protects immigrant workers and their families, but it sure is due process rights of all people in the united states and the full integration, including access to affordable health care, including reproductive health care and other antipoverty programs. along with their latinas brothers and sisters, we have are that sorrow in 2012. we will be watching closely as congress debates immigration reform and we'll keep them accountable. chacko

>> secretary eric shinseki was the name but said his department's budget and the backlog in the va benefits application process. in his testimony company promises sensations he will clear the by 2015. secretary shinseki discuss the change dpi from a for cost-of-living for veterans benefits. it is two and a half hours.

>> this hearing will come to order and i want to welcome everybody to the va committee room to talk about the 2014 budget request for the department of veterans affairs. as everybody already knows, this budget is a couple of months late. it comes after the house and senate have both passed they respect the budget resolution and i would just say unfortunately it is a little late to influence the house and senate in batches that averted them pass, but i'm sure we have appropriations and authorization work that is ahead of us so our oversight on this request is still very.

mr. secretary, thank you for being here. welcome. as you know, committee members and this is not a new, but less than 24 hours to review in advance of this hearing. it is likely therefore that we will have follow a questions after we've had a chance to look a little bit closer at the details. i appreciate your attendance today and ask for your cooperation in getting timely answers to the committee so we can move forward. my initial reaction to the budget is mixed. on the one hand superposed 4.3% increase in us what is a stagnant or declining budget request for a duration of these. most, which have had to absurd sequester cut and that

demonstrates the funding is clearly a priority and a type tisco climate. on the other hand, i'm concerned we are not seeing the results for the money congress has provided over the last years. for example, the budget proposes a 7.2% increase perks remain until her services. information showing they are getting healthier we provided. your entire committees after. dr. sub three, i asked for two months ago and they're still awaiting response. then make it into the funding request for the veterans

benefits administration, which is a 13.4% increase over the current year. i am not a loss because we are seen performance that doesn't match the dollars that have been put forward despite high record investment in technology, record numbers of employees available to process claims. the situation is worse than another has been before. but last year's budget was released, the va issued a release that with the funding provided, and i quote, by 2013, no more than pension claims will be more than 125 days old. here we are today and we have 70% of claims out there that are

older than 125 days. the same is true for prior budget request. but many of the same lofty promises, excitement and new technology, but we don't conflict this committee would contend was a positive trend. the va has missed its own goal every single year and most committee members here are very tired of the excuses that we keep hearing from those that come before us to testify. i understand where claims are filed and are complex, but that has been true for decades. we all know that. the workload created good decisions he made for agent orange veterans, mr. secretary, congress provided a solution to help with that effort by establishing a junction for gulf

war illness, most of which would've been filed anyway, should have been easier to process, not cited as a contributing cause of the perennial failure. as for technology improvements can and many are pinning their hopes on the system, which we spent half a billion dollars on. we've had reports of problems from inspector general. operators caused at that point to their old computer system. the dbms went live at the end of last year of the 10 offices. the backlog cases now than when they came online.

the other four as he improvement but nowhere close to what it needs to be if we make the code of 2015 that you have established. they protect funding him at work for over year to ensure the va was in fact sequester. i've introduced a bill at the ranking member to advance on all of the budget to protect from the effects of resolution and shut down. i'm proud of the efforts that are important. improved said of this country. i have not seen the improvement most of us want to see. i continue to say we've got to to see the results and i'm sure you want the same thing. we want to see the outcomes of the resources congress has

provided. i have supported you and your leadership to this point. i believe this committee and the congress has provided you with everything you've asked for and it's time to deliver. with that, mr. secretary, i yield to make you member for his opening statement. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. secretary, i look forward to your testimony on the funding needs badly to think the representatives who are also going to be testifying in the second panel. they testify next to provide additional insight into the needs of va. you help us understand the solutions facing veterans and families, but should also help us find solutions that we

currently have. i appreciate the independent budget mr. secretary, they provide a concrete example of the priority that our nation gives you veterans has heard the chairman mentioned in the time of austerity, $2.5 billion increase for fiscal year 2013 novels represents the nation's ongoing commitment to those who have served and sacrificed. the key question today says this budget could be the resources to complete the transformational efforts. the independent budget has recommended nearly $2 billion more than your fiscal year 2014 request. many of your transformational initiatives will come to fruition in the next year and a

half. they have the backlog by 2015. again, does the budget give you the resources you need to complete your transformational effort, specifically achieving the backlog in 2015. if the answer is yes, we'll definitely work closely with you and congress to get the resources you need. i remember when i first got it did, we asked tony principi. the resources to provide. he requested a billion dollars, opal live with what he receives. that's why it's important to know whether or not you, too asked asked for it. when you look at the time of budget cuts and sacrifices but

then other agencies, you do have an increase in the specific times increase in responsibility that we are investing in the va. over the next year we have an open dialogue with the accomplishments that did this then mean to get in your agency. there must be a robust discussion of the programs moving forward in the transformation system. we need high dollar if we are to share your confidence the backlog will be addressed. this year you're asking for an additional $157.5 million in service funding. to me, this indicates the need for better and programming.

they have an informed policy and is the fundamental management tool. the advance preparations for all the discretionary account, we need to also discuss whether the va has been management processes and infrastructure in place to make strategic decisions that inform budget estimates far into the future. i believe we would all like to see planning program and budgeting process that is driven by the long-term strategic needs of the va had all too often work in a crisis by crisis that that is not the long-term vision. i think we need that and it should be one that would also assist leadership at the highest level as well to make smart

decisions to improve on how we provide benefits of servicessmat decisions to improve on how we provide benefits of services to veterans and evaluate successes or failures over the long haul. you have requested a large increase in informational type allergy as well. as i understand the critical nature of i.t. spending, and this is especially within the content of your transformational effort, but i want to be assured we are white spending i.t. resources. as part of your proposal, the purpose increase requested purpose increase requested 251 million to fund the required development kiddies within the interagency program office at night at the recent decision by dod regarding integrated electronic record of the findings of required and with these resources be better spent

to support your backlog initiative. i would also like to mention the administration proposal that i opposed to the administration budget includes a proposal to utilize what is called the change cpi in place at the current method of calculating inflation. the administration believes the $44 million in savings over five years and 230 million over 10 years with a different pattern group and committee and seniors to oppose the cpi change. i'm not convinced there is a founder manner to calculate inflation until i am convinced of the opposing that. i believe there will be a real damaging after among many of our citizens, including veterans and their families.

once again, mr. secretary, i want to thank you in the staffware leadership. i know these have been very difficult times as we look forward to working with you as you move forward. i yield that. >> our first panel this morning we've got the honorable eric shinseki of the u.s. veterans affairs had mr. secretary, or complete statement will be made part of the record and i will forgo introducing those you have with you at the table should you choose to introduce them, i would welcome that. you are recognized now and the clock is not running on you today. the mac thank you, mr. chairman. distinguished members of the committee, thank you for this opportunity to present the

presidents 2014 budget and 2015 advanced appropriations request. we value our partnership, always have and that will continue. your partnership in providing resources to assure quality care for veterans. let me also acknowledge other partners here today. i veterans services organization whose insights and support make us much better intermission for caring for veterans, their families and are survivors. let me take the time to introduce members of the panel sitting with me. to my far left, mr. starforming for information and take elegy. next to him is taught grands come our chief financial officer. next ahead, randy petzel.