and there was a fire set seven minutes after that. in between these two events, raymond was at work as a greece monkey at an auto shop where they had cnn on all day long, according to testimony of fellow employees, with nothing on but the fire. nothing on but firefighters are dead, and this was his reaction, just so you know what you're dealing with. ..

he denies the esperanza flyer. and eyewitnesses', kind waiting a long time, and 750 people on death row. and proposition 34, retains the death penalty by 6% margin which is the supreme margin. there are no executions scheduled in 2013-14, none in 2014 in california in texas. it is not going to happen. trying to see here when people see me, i think you will land of

alaska again about this fire. i don't expect to confess the esperanza fire, but he has got to address these other things. he attempted to have a spiritual -- to platform. that means at some point with smurfs to another human being about the evil that he did. how is that going? this is the fifth anniversary, here is an important one. time has passed. a lot of time has passed but the memory is still there. taking up a memorial, and volunteers built at the foot,

very impressive. . the bench where you can sit and think about things. it is tastefully done. you asked everyone together. and able to smile. thank you very much. [applause] >> at this time, i would like to call up, first of all a round of

applause to the folks involved in the incidents here in the audience, the helicopter, give them a big round of applause. [applause] >> thank you for your help. and the guys that were there, at the time could not be here, and -- [applause] >> richard gephardt.

and 16. [applause] >> and that the 0 regional level. >> a couple minutes to talk about the sensitive things, and have to remember that there were three investigations, and those investigations are done by different agencies. and pretty angry about that but i have softened my position because for instance o ig, the office of the inspector general, those are special agents, when they interview you, they -- the sole purpose of figuring out

whether everybody associated with that fire did anything bad. and if they found that we did, and hold it criminally liable. we don't have a choice. we did that. but he essentially these folks did anything similar, that is what we wanted to hear. osha -- are to talk about it, and industrial investigation, industrial safety, tried very hard to do some homework, and they had their reasons.

and on the web. and they are able to fight the fire if they had taken a recommendation so fee-for-service, protested that. effect will report which many people think this is factual was done by a large group, to induce lessons learned, and talks about it was hard to do an investigation and report on it accurately in the short period of time. the other thing, what i leave

you with, investigators, and the automobile accident. and what happened and interview them and they will come of with two different stories that not even resemble, each one of us at a different position, different time has a piece of the puzzle. and did different things. ask them to do different tasks doing those things. and everything we looked at, and

everything -- in the interview, we pull the little bit of a different story. they are all there, different story. some of those things, we dug 3 it is disagree. as part of the reason all these investigations say a little bit different things. and since there are no survivors, not any one of the snow is 100%, they took the

time. if it is not influenced by the politics, not under pressure to produce the document so he takes six years, i believe this to be the best conglomeration of all, it presents the most prove we're ever going to have. thank you. [applause] >> we will open it up for questions. and we will not deviate as far as the case. and in individual up here, raise their hands, yell out, ask the questions.

not hearing any questions. in the back. >> both of us being firefighters, different parts and different entities, one of the questions that i had, i realize arson being part of this, a hard crime to prove, and the history of it. one thing that bothered me about this to stir this up for people, not looking at blame or anything, and john touched on it, and the investigation started in may. a lot of things took place. as a firefighter myself looking

at this, you always wished they included that a little bit earlier and i am wondering if these people were involved with forceps, people in the fire felt the same way, if only this was put together before the fire started. any comments? >> any comments? hy am not sure, maybe jonathan answered that. >> take a shot at that. it is now a great big thing. there was no structural damage to speak of, the building was burned, the biggest fire was up 1500 acres which was big but it

-- there's no accounting. the investigation process that began on the sixteenth of may was meticulous, and put it in a box, photograph it, 26 photographs at the time. and they have no priorities, it takes weeks if not months to get dna check as past priority. and the investigation, out of this world. 247 into the weekend. the key event, four days before where they did have cameras taking photographs, that could not be downloaded in daylight

because you do not want to give away the position the polls have so they would download and get complicated, there was criticism that was lower a few days later and they have the list of license numbers so that is the key one, looks so simple now and wasn't so simple than. they haven't all been checked out. there has been a little criticism about that. it did not have high priority. once the thing got priority, this thing went into superspeed. was an act of extreme observational perpetuity to find the device.

and the chief arson investigator on this team walked by the device time after time, they put out a grid and you go over the grid like archaeologists. and you saw it before setting out the grid. they collected it and took it to the prime and did three days, and everyone feels what you are talking about. his family could have ratted him out. barney mckay said this over and over again, everything she gets from the beginning. if you know someone who is setting fires, if they are near and dear to you turn them in. stop it to do something like this.

that is the breakdown. i am sure siblings have more than an inkling. is defense lawyer accused his sister of setting a fire. and that is the colossal failure of behavior like this to continue. the debate could have stopped. if they hadn't gotten the dna sample, took them in for interrogation. if he hadn't got the dna sample they might never have gotten it. it was given voluntarily and we have to give it back and dropped the first swap. no dna record, they didn't

introduce that automatically to get a felony in the back. wouldn't have got him on esperanza alone. the book points that out. yes, everybody feels that, if you want to blame that. listen when she says this. >> as far as the rest of us i can speak -- doesn't matter how they are set for us, just another ignition source, do anything different. and mark was the second, and we

walked the fire line to gather, always in front of me, 20 years you have been out, even held the ball for the cross and stood with the cross and talked about this, was an arson fire, the winds are coming, i wonder if we will get a good one in, the next one, and what is going to happen four days later. >> i just wanted to add post esperanza what has happened is an arson investigator taskforce that has been very active, that is one of the benefits that came out of esperanza, very organized, very deliberate taskforce. we believe they are doing good things and maybe next time we will be able to catch them

before. [applause] >> that answer your question? any other questions, folks? >>ince the women involved admitted that they knew that he was setting fires have they been charged as an accomplice or anything like that? >> crystal brazil gave that account where she confirmed, told her he was setting fires. in an interview directly after the arrest, it was a really tricky because he wasn't charged with murder, and set a couple

arson fires. detectives knew as soon as he was charged with murder the family was going to climb up which is what happened so they have one shot and scott michaels had a detective who did the interview and took their times. and lied to her mother. and tell the story and tell the truth and make people feel comfortable and crystal starts to tell the story and she is crying, hard to cry and why at the same time but she is getting sick of talking to the same guys so you trade off. i didn't hear what you said before. would you make it clear to me, and get all of this on tape. the next day charged with murder and it is over and she goes to trial and trying to drag this out of her and i don't remember

sayi that, read the draft script please. i still don't remember it. it is not anything like perjury. she got in a lot of trouble with the family, the family dumped all over her because she said too much and that proved to be the thing that triggered it. wasn't the dna. the two holdouts finally collapsed when they drag in the transcript and there it is, finally asked to lead men it, did he tell you what he is using for an ignition device, cigarettes and a match. is that what he did with the devices? cigarettes and a match. and had a hung jury. it is an interesting story about

what happened afterwards. and a husband testified during the trial and she wanted reward money. half a million dollars in reward money so that came up and she testified and she and reagan went on this wild goose chase to get his pit bulls back that have been compounded and he threatened to burn the mountain down. she went to the police about that. a ville late, but she did. so the defense lawyers trying to tear apart, you did not tell your mother you doing this for the money, just a joke. she wound out with $50,000 reward money fill. year-and-a-half or whenever it was, the name never came out. riverside county supervisors looked at her claim as

prosecutors, an important part of your case, it was, wasn't the only thing that happened that was important. the river side supervises pledged $100,000 and said give $0.50 and didn't. >> exactly. any other questions, folks? seeing none, thank you so much, give everybody around applause. [applause] >> thank you,. >> tweet as your feedback at twitter.com/booktv. join us this month as we read jeb bush's book immigration wars, forging an american solution. as you read post your thoughts on twitter@booktv using the hash

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program bosses. this is just under an hour. >> and to introduce our speaker, to discuss to discuss a pakistani woman's story of sexual harassment in the united nations--from personal grievance to public law". the book describes what happened when 11 women joined the campaign to go into the un only to be attacked by there un managers. the case culminated in legislation by the pakistani parliament in 2000 that make sexual harassment crime. she is the chair person, and human rights and democracy streaming and research on news activism and environment. and based in washington d.c. at

the national endowment for democracy. and over red light areas, released by oxford and forgotten cases. and in japanese have become popular among young pakistani women. and the doctorate working at the university of minnesota. please join in welcoming today's guest dr. fouzia saeed. [applause] >> very nice to be here and i look forward to the next hour of engagement with you. if you want to turn this off you can, at least up to the limit.

i am going to tell you a story today and the stories in the context of pakistan, about one woman and also celebration of women in pakistan but it resonates universally, goes across borders. this is about a legislation we got in pakistan against sexual harassment. we got these laws passed in 2010 and i will tell you why these laws are so important for us. one reason was after years of militancy women were being pushed back in the last decade and a half conlan this was the first come back, the first assertion from the side of women to regain public space or space in the family, that was celebrated throughout the country. the other reason, a long gap of

legislation in pakistan, i don't count small laws that modify a little something but the last aggressive legislation package we had was in the mid 50s so it has been a very long time and open up space for women. this law was very important because it opened doors for many other legislations and just because that chemistry, that magical chemistry, it opened doors and we were able to get legislation passed in the last two years so that was a big wake-up for us and looking back, as to how it all started, that was the other part of the story which the book is about. that is my own story.

it is an autobiographical case study. i was young and doing my graduate studies in the united states, and going back after my ph.d. i wanted to work -- my desire from when i was 10 years old. you grow up in pakistan and in many countries it is the restrictions that start the finding new and you fight back and you learn how to tread water and how to become a socialized woman. i was very clear that i would be educating myself and preparing myself to work on women's issues so i was very happy returning to pakistan after finishing my studies and looking for jobs i find -- finally landed the u.n. job which was very close to my heart and really about what i

wanted to do so it was about women's issues so i became the head of the gender unit. i developed the gender unit. this was united nations development program in pakistan. that was the beginning of my process. as i developed the program and as i went about caring forward whatever the un ideas are, i myself experienced a lot of sexual harassment and that was very difficult to handle bec it seemed at times you could handle it betterthetrts but it is very difficult to handle it when you know the person, when you face the person every day and when you know the person has a lot of control over what you are doing so you need help even though professional help, that became very difficult but i was not sure how to handle that because i did not want a design. that was a simple way out eventually.

i did not want to do that because i was so focused on what i wanted to achieve in pakistan for myself and as i developed the program a couple things happened. one was a crystal clear focus on gender issues. the program was more focused on development but the gender focus came through this program and the other thing happened was i hired a lot of women and suddenly there were a lot of women and with hardly any checks and balances and the kind of hierarchy the office had and the kind of favoritism and power play we often had, the problem relieve became very big. and it was after three years of experiencing this that i got courage to say no, i have to officially lodged a complaint. the reason i was not able to do

that earlier was this man who was quite senior in our office was closed to the representative who was head of the u.n. program in pakistan and he was so close, he was like the blue eyed boy and everything right or wrong he could get. it was very difficult for me to make a complaint and finally when i did, there was a case where he just went overboard and fired a woman so she and i talked and said let's file a complaint. as we decided that gradually, the news spread out in a hush hush way we realized every woman in the office was experiencing exactly the same thing. and we went about a staff of over 116 women and eventually even got together who were brave enough to say yes, we want to

lodge a complaint. there were others who set our jobs are too important even though he does the same thing to was also so the verbatim was very similar in terms of using his power, his authority, that was very similar. he would make us sit and if he had to find a memo he would make us sit and talk about his relationship with his girlfriend, his relationship with his wife and things like that and putting a lot of pressure, making advances that made us feel extremely humiliated, physical gestures also, so once the women work together one lesson at that moment of my life was silence is the biggest defense for these people because we all were quiet and working together on one floor of the building and yet we

never really exchange, had no discussions in the area, so learning that, we decided at least we have to talk to each other constantly. during the investigation process, we made the fact that any idea that comes across on line, any concern, we will talk to each other. a monday 11, there was one woman who was 50 years old, one british woman who was one japanese, the rest of us were pakistani, ages range 50 to 22. i was a manager, relatively senior. we had and in turn, there were people who were there for 20 years. saying the same thing about the same guy, one guy, so we thought we have gathered the courage and come up with this complaint and that is it because now that we

will speak up the problem will be solved. and we didn't really -- our assumptions -- the problem started at that point and it was not -- the main site go was not our harassment, it really became the investigation and what happened to us afterward. the rep who was a british guy was very dismissive of the thing. even women sitting in his office and he looked around and looked at me and looked around and said pakistani women, the domestic violence problem is very high and pakistani women get harassed all the time making it look like you women get harassed all the time so what is the big deal? the big deal in my view, a person has done that to you, he

actually said i would have been very surprised if somebody told me there was no sexual harassment. after its that, his whole mission was to scare us, frighten us, to divide us apart. the senior management tried to buy women, offered money, they were trying to break us apart and things happened that i have no english word to describe but shameless. they tried, the woman who lost her job tried to pay her and y will not be part of this. there was another woman who was up for an evaluation, they wrote very nasty comments and said we will put this in your assessment and terminate your contract unless you write that i have nothing to do with this case. they openly -- this process went

on, initial inquiry happened when we ourselves invoked new york which was the head office. and our resident who presented was not going to do that and we saw that he would not do that so we reached out to new york and we said we are following the process. in the united nations you call go out and stay in the system. we got the new york head office involved. the first inquiry committee, i remember it was headed by man and had two women. they were doing everything according to the process. however the senior management was really holding hands like an old boys' club. this man who was heading the inquiry committee at one point was banging his fist on the table, he was saying to me you

tell me how did you blow up? what did you do to make him feel he could do that? i said what year am i in? this sounds like the last century statement saying what were you wearing, what did you say to him? they were full of praises about the man who was obviously getting very high ranking performance by this british guy so the report they finally gave, i think 9 tenths of the report was about this man and there was one line about us in a report and the report said that the man is very competent and having marital problems so he is upset and he actually reached out to

women and men for sympathy and the sympathy when he was telling us sexual stories about his girlfriend. he was reaching out to us for sympathy and that his record is wonderful and beautiful and we find enough evidence in four cases to say it was harassment. we objected and said you should look at our record too and our performance also as if we were a genetic group. it was not even listed that we were even women from different countries and different departments. so then, take your case as a case of the 11 women, we will cut this case and make it into 11 cases. all sorts of tricks. and game playing that when done.

they tried to hide our information from us, they opened parallel inquiries, there was one inquiry, he opened up on us because i was heading the gender unit, and to an iranian person and look into the last ten years of the course and find anything, and he showed it to me. it was in writing that he asked for anything in the last ten years so it was so open and shameless that it was unbelievable and constantly threatening us that this was going to get very messy and there were rumors about the sand in pakistan we had to be careful how people pursue us, the social image is what matters. a woman can really be joey and if you start rumors and

replication and that started happening and management would not take any steps, things started leaking out in the press and management would not take any steps, but this retaliation business began so painful and this stopped our world and open retaliation resulted in a dynamic region in the office, people stopped talking to us because they didn't want to be on the other side of the bus so lines were drawn and 11 women and everybody else on the other, people would not respond to our hello because they felt somebody would see them and they would be seen all lining against the bus so the whole environment reminded me of family environments when suddenly you realize you haven't assessed in that -- insistence house and their strange silence and nobody wants to talk about it and it is very heavy and you can cut it with a knife. that kind of work environment,

regardless of our complaints we had to work for a long time. after this initial inquiry, got suspended and he was given two lawyers and we didn't have any. we couldn't use the office phones, we could not use the office time for our meetings and international telephone etc. so it was amazing the difference. was not even subtle. it was very open. finally we pushed the case. one more point i want to mention is gradually they pushed us out so for example they totally sabotaged my program which was like my child in front of my eyes so i had to make sure the program was on. and i hoped that would be the end of the case because they were seeing me as the leader because i was heading the agenda

unit and i was a human rights activist in pakistan but that really bothered them a lot so one by one they pushed every woman out, and we left the organization but continued with the case and they finally pushed the head office, we kept pushing and the case got dropped to a point like the supreme court level in the u.s. and that is when there was a heading in new york. three of us were asked to come to the hearing. the process continued. we had one week of investigation hearings. i won't go into the details of that. our case concluded. a lot of bruces with satisfaction, i myself tried to pursue the case and said we want

to file another case against management because the management treated us like what europe once upon a time treated the richest and that is how we were hundred and we have evidence of that retaliation so we want to pursue case and they clearly would not touch it. they would not touch their master. so that was incomplete which still remains for us. even after the case was concluded the way they treated us was not respectful. they did not send us a letter, your case concluded, this is what you complained, this is what we found out, we were not even people. when the case concluded in pakistan, civil society got together and this was a win for women or bringing up the issue,

highlighting a problem, we would mark this day that you complain to the representative, the twenty-second of december, 1997 as the day to mark harassment and from that day on with the civil society of pakistan marking that differe programs, other programsot together and working women had a bigssbly every year in december. in 2000, there were strong lessons out of this. we came back to this issue and said if that can happen to us, women who have been educated abroad in the office of the united nations, then how do women manage when they are working in a factory without business contracts? women walking in fields, very

strong power hierarchy, and so forth? we were still within the pakistani context and we decided to launch a movement and said this issue is coming everywhere we turn. the minute we step out of the house we go to a hospital and go to the university and everywhere we turn we are faced with this and we realized it was 100% of women who were experiencing that and it was so invisible. domestic violence, but still got some attention but this was because it was happening with everybody, not getting any attention, we didn't have a name for it or another word for it. so to coin a term which was, we asked linguists to coin a word

for us, then nobody allow us to use it because it was a very uncivilized term and we kept saying to them to do it and it is not ok to speak about it. it is not ok to speak about it. and we decided we did some research and realized there was no organization, we -- the united nations also in the beginning i didn't know and many women didn't know there wasn't because they hid it from us. we kept going and asking for policy and they said no. it was just by chance we found out the organization had a policy seven years ago but the policy was important because our cottage and persistence, we could not have done anything if the u.n. didn't have an anti sexual presence so we said even one out of a thousand women get

the courage to speak out. we need someone to complain with so we developed an anti sexual-harassment policy for pakistan. it was very -- to our culture, we get that in mind and based on our research and went on and got consensus from different sectors and now i would like the slides because i will show you a little bit of our journey after the case. so we went out and approach women in different professions, formal or informal and we got them together and we formed an alliance, it is an alliance against sexual harassment. this was a group, like-minded groups and individuals who came together and women from all

sectors of society, from rural areas and urban areas that were working in the factory, formal secretaries, doctors, got them all together and clearly discussed the case and got an agreement that we had a strategy that would first deal with the formal sector and then we will criminalize this behavior. i will go through it quickly. we got stakeholders and law enforcement agencies and union leaders and civil societies and private-sector, difficult initially to get them and we thought they were very important and we've learned about them and they learned about us and we learn their language, we did convince them to start using that. the government however at that

time, the government was engaged with us but they did not want to take a risk and also told us they did not want us to use the words sexual harassment or they would not sit on the table so we calling the another term, anti sexual-harassment policy, code of conduct, now we can communicate. we got a lot of our stars on board from films, television, people related to the public and this book about sexual harassment, we got them involved with the best organizations and in terms of gender, we got the religious source on our side and give them all kinds of religious evidence to back our bit. than we got the mainstream media and in this process we drafted

two pieces of legislation and in 2008 when we had a return on democracy and got our democratically elected government and approach them, these are some of our women parliamentarians that are 200 right now in both of the houses and very proud of these women. ambassador in blue at that end, who is a very brave and honest parliamentarians and right now being invested to the united states. and the woman with dark glasses some of these are ministers, the one on top is the provincial assemblies, a woman speaker so we started lobbying for these legislations with all of the parties because we wanted all parties to endorse parliament as

the main focus and we lobbied through 2-1/2 years. it was difficult in the beginning but finally every party got the ownership, the process was difficult and i will not go into details of the process but he eventually we got the legislation passed. this year is the speaker of the national assembly, the house, very supportive comments and we have a lot of working women from different professions in the gallery sitting in the gallery so it was really very emotional moment for us and the parliamentarians also because in pakistan in the last five years the democracy has really flourished and we see a lot of indicators of it getting strength so the working women as parliamentarians were having a connection which was very emotional. we were celebrating, lawyers and

teachers and doctors and all of them, this is our house, got past in the house and the senate and finally the president of pakistan usually when bills pass it is a good process but for this one the whole nation was mobilized and the media applauded and everybody applauded it, he said i want to do it in a big event. i want to sign the bill in the presence of 100 women of substance. they were from the whole country and signed the bill and was celebrated everywhere in the country urban women, programs all over the country to celebrate that. this law also opened the door and white i mentioned in the beginning we got a total of seven laws passed for different crimes. i come back to my case, the question is why this book and

why now? i want to share a few things. one is that once we start implementing the law and the mechanisms started falling in place and in the first year we got 1,000 cases nudged and then results. ..