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>> i want to thank the panelist. [applause] >> booktv is on facebook. like us to interact with booktv guests and viewers. watch videos and get up-to-date information on events. facebook.com/booktv. >> next, booktv sits down with eric draper, the longest-serving white house photographer to discuss his photographs of former president george w. bush. it's just over half an hour. >> host: "front row seat" is thing of the book put together by eric draper. in this book you ask the
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question could a black kid from south central los angeles be the photographer for the president of the united states. what's the answer to that question? >> guest: that is a big yes. >> host: how did you get the job? >> guest: back in 2000, i was assigned by "the associated press" to cover the bush campaign. i was a staff photographer and that's my background, photojournalism. so i covered the campaign full-time for 18 months. >> host: did you get to know the president in that kind of work? >> guest: you do. you spent a lot of time on the road mostly with other journalists, and a lot of time with the staff, the campaign staff, and i really didn't think about the job until actually after the election because you might remember the election was decided that night. and during the recount, that gave me the opportunity to pursue the position if governor bush had won the election, and
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everything lined up. it was perfect timing for me because right after he became president-elect i had opportunity to ask him in person, and i actually took a page out of this politico playbook because he would always say during the campaign, it must've been echoing in my head at that point, i'm going to look you in the eye and ask you for the job, i want to be a president. so that's what i did. right after he became president-elect. >> host: what was his act -- what was his answer transit he looked at me. it was the longest handshake forever for me. it look like he hadn't thought about before. he said i appreciate that until get back to you. a week later i received a call for an interview back in boston and it all happened very quickly. >> host: how many years did you spend with president bush? >> guest: well, if you count my time with him as a journalist, nearly 10 years. >> host: so you were at the white house for eight years with him. how many photos did he take
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altogether? >> guest: well, i did a count because we had a digital system at the time. i typed in my name to see how many hits would come up. it came around for nearly 1 million images under my name. that's everything. that's outtakes, out of focus photos, photos of my feet, you know. >> host: eric draper, you have a picture from atop the oval office. how did you get on top of the oval office? >> guest: i mounted a camera on the top of the oval office and there's like a little ledge that lines the top of the oval office where the lights are. there's just enough room for camera. and so what i did was i mounted a digital camera and left it up there all day to show the sequence of events from the entire day, from the very moments and president bush would walk into the oval office through all of these meetings, so that sequence shows his
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morning meetings, and then there's one image showing what it looks like when the oval office is full of media. just to show you how many people can fit into the oval office. >> host: how long was your day? >> guest: it buried. it could go, nothing short of eight hours. either 12 hours or $50, and then a lot of my schedule when i would travel with the president, those days are even longer. the international travel. basically as long as it took to always watch him and make sure that i didn't miss anything. and, of course, i had back a. i couldn't do it all alone. so when i needed help, when i needed rest i had a support staff. i had for other photographers on staff, which we covered the first lady. we covered the vice president, and so -- tranfive five if you.
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were there any times that were off limits? >> guest: you know, obviously there's a lot of private moments on his schedule, his private time in the residence definitely off limits. i had so much access that i literally had to kind of hold back, just to respect that privacy, just because i was always around. i was definitely on his radar but not in front of him. i tried to respect that. >> host: this photo in the white house of mr. and measures bush in the oval office, where he the only one in the room at this point along with them translate this. >> host: was that like? do they interact with you or did they just ignore you? >> guest: they don't actually. that's what i wanted. i would go days without president wouldn't even speak to me. and that's what it wanted him but i didn't want them to acknowledge me every time i walked in the room because that would change the environment. i change the environment because i was already present, but it
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didn't always want him to interact because i really wanted to document real moments and not change anything. so that was my role. >> host: eric draper, you write that it was magical whenever president bush and his father worked together. there's a lot of photos of the two presidents bush in this book. >> guest: well, first of all they look so much alike which is really interesting. and anytime there together it was like history in the making because you have two presidents together, father and son, the only second son of a president to become president. and it was always really interesting to photograph them together as a family. because they are so normal in lots of ways. the fact that there were two presidents together, and i
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really enjoyed documenting the family, the entire bush family. >> host: did you get to know mrs. bush as well? >> guest: i didn't. >> host: i want to ask about this photo on a very, very long couch. how did this come about? was this happenstance? >> guest: this was inside buckingham palace. this was prior to departing for a black tie dinner hosted by the queen, and the president and mrs. bush were staying there and they're kind of walking around and they were like kids. they really enjoyed themselves. eric, come photograph is on this couch and they're playing around for me so it was kind of a fun like moment. >> host: where they both set sad at each end of the couch transferred right. >> host: there's another photo of where mr. and mrs. bush were dancing thank you that was taken on january 20, 2001. the president and mrs. bush were rehearsing before the very first inaugural ball.
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just a quiet moment, the two of them. there was lots of commotion going on behind me because everyone is preparing for the event to start and they wanted to rehearse their dance, which they repeatedly a dozen times that night. >> host: in a lot of these photos udc secret service agents standing around. what was your relationship? did they have final say over your access to? >> guest: no. no. i love those guys. they were great to work with. they knew exactly what i needed to do, and, of course, they were the priority. the president safety was always alternate. and if they were in the way they would actually ask me, you know, they would get out of the way if they were, you know, in the way. so they are wonderful people and they helped me get my job done,
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especially with kind of predicting the presidents movement and knowing where he was to go. part of the job was to stay a step ahead of the president in order to be in the right position at the right time. >> host: barney isn't a lot of these photographs. >> guest: yes. the president called barney the son he never had. as you can see, they really enjoyed each other. the president would play with him even during the day in the oval office, and barney literally had an all access pass to the white house. he could go anywhere. >> host: i wanted to ask about this because the president is in the south lawn of the white house, and you can look straight out. can people see him what is on the jogging path? >> guest: the white house is pretty unique because of the way it is laid out. and typically when the president was walking through the south lawn it was almost like he was alone, completely alone but there's thousands of tourists outside.
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it's really an incredible place how it is laid out. >> host: here's another visit. >> guest: ms. beasley was more affectionate, and she really enjoyed heading, the president would play with her a lot. these moments, types of light moments happened literally in just seconds and then it's back to the seriousness of the day or the meeting. it was amazing how quickly things can transition, transition from very serious to light in front to back to serious. the whole day was like that. >> host: crawford, you write in your, and i should say that in trenton it' it's a page or tf text introducing each segment, and you say here that i enjoyed the president's trip to texas more than the time we spend in washington. why? >> guest: first of all i'm
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more of a western in terms of from california, or from the west but i really enjoyed getting out to the open space. i enjoyed not having to wear a suit because crawford was always casual. but then as a photojournalist, a photographer trying to tell a story, the sort of president bush as a texan was so fun to document. so what i tried to do was just hang out. he was relaxed because he had more downtime. even though his meetings, his schedule would be very much on d.c. time, he still had time to unwind and i was able to document him more on a personal level. >> host: you spent a lot of time riding in the back of his pickup truck traffic bumping around in the back of the truck.
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>> host: how many people were in there? here he is, i'm not sure who is in this -- is this the spanish prime minister? the king of saudi arabia and the truck with president bush. who else was in this truck? you look like you were in the backseat. >> guest: typically the pentagon who is visiting, you have several people that needed to be in the truck. so you had obviously security but there's also an interpreter or even another guest, let's say it was a couple, you know, if the world leader had espoused. so i typically had to ride in the back of the bed, open the window on the truck and shoot to the wind as if i was in the truck. so that's, i'm literally, actually that would make a funny picture because i had to stretch to get my camera to the window and i was bumming around the
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back of the truck at the same time. >> host: and there's security in the backseat, interpreters and the backseat. >> guest: all over the place. >> host: would security follow you around the ranch and vehicles directory yes. there was an entourage following the president wherever he went. >> host: just want to read a little bit from your crawford introduction. on one of my first weekends trips to the ranch, the president and first lady invited me to join them for a while. i wasn't prepared because of still wearing my too hot will stupid the president said he would loan me some clothes so i could go along. i said sure.
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>> guest: yes, that really happened. [laughter] >> host: 9/11. the two photos here we want to show folks. >> guest: yes, these moments were following the famous moment when the chief of staff whispered in the president there, the president left the classroom with all the children and walked into the hold room at and that's where there was a tv in the corner that someone had turned on, and it showed the live images of the towers, the twin towers burning in new york. and i was just shocked like everyone just looking at that image. and immediately i try to focus on making the pictures and not missing anything. what i tried to do was definitely have, what was happening in new york with what was the president was doing.
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and i was waiting for the moment that the president would actually watch the tv to see what was happening but he never looked up. he was so focused on his words because he was preparing for his very first statement to the nation and the world in response to the attack. the moment sam bartlett alerted everyone in the room, they were replaying the flight hitting the south tower. and the first time we've ever seen it. the president turned to see that image for the very first time which was burned in everyone's imagery. >> host: who got the famous photo of andy card whispering in the presence of your traffic of press photographers that were in the classroom captured that moment. >> host: then aboard air force one that day? >> guest: the first few moments aboard air force one were very surreal and very tense. no one knew where we were headed. no one knew where we were going. i remember walking up the stairs
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of air force one before we left, and as i walked in the dark andy card was stand there and he was telling everyone to remove the batteries from their phones because we didn't know if we were being traced. and you might see this immature of the president on the phone and on the other side of the frame you have andy card discussing where come in the huddle with the secret service, with the military trying to decide where to go. i later learned we actually flew out over the gulf of mexico, basically for safety and it was very tense. we started hearing lots of reports on the plane, like a car bomb hitting the state department which was false. we heard a fast-moving object was headed towards the president's ranch in crawford. it was false. then came the most surreal moment when the president came out of the cabin and he said i
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just heard that angel is in the target. and angel is the codename for air force one and that was very, very surreal. those were the early moments aboard the plane. >> host: what is this photo we are looking at? >> guest: it's an image of a secret service agent standing post outside this room where inside the president was receiving a full briefing from military commanders that were there. >> host: this is one of the occasions where you're not allowed in. >> guest: exactly. >> host: did you have secret clearance? top secret clearance? >> guest: i did. i had top secret clearance. >> host: so you because of the background checks and everything. what is that like? >> guest: very intense. they call everyone. >> host: what tim time did your date end of that day on 9/11? the human what time he got back to washington or what time that he ended? >> guest: we ended up flying into washington very late in the afternoon. and we, the president got aboard
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marine one and landed on the south lawn. the rest of the staff including me were in the van headed to the white house. by the time i caught up with the president he was in the presidential emergency operations center under the white house, which i didn't know existed at that stage until that day. and that's where he was having his first face-to-face meetings with the vice president, with his national security team, in reaction to the tax. >> host: eric draper, what time the day was this photo taken on 9/11? >> guest: that was probably early evening, you know, 730 tonight, 8:00. this was before the presiden presidentaddress the nation from the oval office. and so the days still was not
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over. very long day. >> host: march 2003 to this photo of the president walking outside. >> guest: yeah, this is the moment, in terms of like intensity, obviously 9/11 was off the charts, but this to me was one of the most intense moments that i experienced photographing. this was the moments after the decision was made to commit troops to iraq. and the president made that decision in the situation room, just minutes earlier. and i were standing outside the door of the situation room. once that meeting broke up, and i literally had to leap out of the way when the doors swung open and the president walks out. i can see the emotion on his face, but you see that something was happening. i did know exactly what, so i followed him. he walked through the oval
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office and out to the south lawn. he walked the entire circle of the south lawn and that's when i made this picture. and the decision still waiting on his face. >> host: did he ever say to you, get away, or not now? >> guest: no. at this moment, as a matter fact, he did speak to me right after i made this picture. he said, he asked me on the south lawn, he said are you interested in history lex and all i could say was yes or. the pictures you're taking in the one in the situation on the south lawn are very important here and just as he said that, out of the corner of my eye i saw don rumsfeld, the secretary of defense, and vice president cheney were walking out of the oval office and the president walked over to greet them. and at that stage they were discussing the timing of the start of the war in iraq. post back when you see a meeting like this happening, how close
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can you physically get to these very? >> guest: i tried to give him space. i didn't get too close, but that was fine because i felt photographically speaking i was in the right spot in order to capture the environment. you're standing outside the oval office. i actually shot a photo with a telephoto so you can really see their expressions during this moment. and i was just far enough away where i couldn't hear what they were saying but i could definitely tell from their expressions it was very intense discussion. >> host: did the photo center contained in "front row seat," did they have to be cleared by secret service, by the bush folks? >> guest: yeah, everything is approved by the president's library. nothing is, was top secret that i photographed so that was no
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issue there. >> host: here's the phone when the president announced on october 7, 2001, afghanistan more. >> guest: right. this is in the treaty room of the white house, in the residence. this is just, you know, a month after 9/11 when the war in afghanistan was announced. >> host: eric draper, a lot of historical moment in your but there's also some lighter moments i guess is the word that i wanted to ask you about. this is from 2004. >> guest: so, the boots picture? >> host: let's start with this one is on the screen right now. >> guest: being around, hanging out waiting for like a surprise moment, i had a schedule, you know, i had briefings. there's a lot of things that are scripted, but to me the joy of
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my job was waiting for the surprise moments like this day was the day that a box showed up in the oval office. this was very early in the morning, like seven income and the president opens the box and there's a boxing robe he pulled out. and he puts it on. and i'm the only one there so he's like, let me find someone to show what you. and so that's what he's doing here company is opening the door to the hallway in the west wing to see if anyone is around so he could show it off. it was pretty funny. >> host: there are two more photos on this page from 2004 reelection. inauguration might. >> guest: exactly. this is an inauguration evening 2004. and this was just prior to the texas black tie and boots ball, and the president took off his tuxedo shoes and put on his boots. and this shows his sense of
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humor. the president had a great sense of humor. he would always find the right time to lighten the mood, even if he was in some of the most serious moments. the comic relief that he would deliver, the staff enjoy that about him. and i myself usually enjoyed being around him because of his sense of humor. >> host: this looks like a big holding the. is that one of the hotel rooms in washington? >> guest: exactly. >> host: he looks all alone in this great degree. is he all alone in this great big rimmed? >> guest: no. there are people behind me. you know, half a dozen maybe evil scattered about. not a ton of people. >> host: in 2007, visitors to the white house. >> guest: yes. queen elizabeth and prince philip visited the white house, and this was prior to a black tie dinner hosted by the president and mrs. bush in the
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yellow oval room which is in the residents. and so they are just talking before going down to dinner. and trying to shove the grandeur of it all. the yellow oval room is so beautiful. it's really a great place to photograph. >> host: i want to ask if this is significant at all. princeville seem to have a drink in his hand. but it looks like the queen might have put her drink down over on the table. did you happen to notice that at all since he wasn't photographed with a drink in her hand. >> guest: i did notice that. i'm not sure what that is. >> host: either you tell your moment with queen elizabeth or i can read it straight from the book. >> guest: well, i'll tell you, because when you're the photographer for the president and you have to stay close, and since i am too close, and in this case, this is earlier in the day when the queen was visiting the white house, a
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south lawn arrival, i'm trying to remember exactly how long between visits. she hadn't been in the white house for over a few years, so mrs. bush was getting her a tour of the residents. the lincoln bedroom and they would end up in the queen's room. then i followed mrs. bush with queen elizabeth. and then i realized that she's actually taking queen elizabeth to the restroom. and by the time i realize what's happening, a i was embarrassed and did an about-face. and standing for me was prince philip, and he kind of said with a straight face, are you following them to the louvre? likely he laughed and i laughed. it didn't turn into an international incident but definitely awkward. >> host: why did you choose the photo on the cover of "front row seat" treachery that picture to me visually the composition,
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the lighting, it's an iconic image to me. it shows the seriousness of the job. but it also shows the environment of the white house. to me that one stood out from the pack as a cover photo. >> host: do you have a favorite trip he went on? >> guest: i think the president's trip to africa from his last trip to africa i believe in 2007, to me that was my favorite trip. i think witnessing the outpouring of love and thankfulness from all of the countries that we visited, and this is after come in reaction to the pet far, which all of the aids global health that the president initiated and all the african people in these countries are so thankful and it was just wonderful to witness.
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and a color, the culture there, and for me it was my first trip to africa, as a black american to go to africa is really unique. and i really enjoyed that. >> host: didn't see in your book that picture of him dancing, the famous video. were you present? >> guest: i was there. >> host: what was that moment like? >> guest: it was fun. the crowd went crazy when he started to dance. he actually -- postmen did you get photos of the? >> guest: yeah, it was very, very fun and. >> host: in the introduction -- a slideshow on the way home. >> guest: it was something i started following 9/11. one of the first trips abroad i tried to create a show to kind of lift, to kind of show the
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hard work that was put in a lot of these trips. i started doing it after every trip abroad, and every trip i was raised the bar and add music and add graphics and title slides. and the president and mrs. bush always looked forward to the slideshow. so like every trip was very enjoyable to produce. >> host: did you have facilities on air force one? did you have an office where you could develop or a computer, i guess the computer. you really didn't need to have an office any more. >> guest: exactly. this was at the time that i directed the white house from film to digital. and all the work was done on my laptop. so while everyone else was sleeping i was up pounding away, creating a slideshow template just before we landed. >> host: eric draper, this photo,. >> guest: air force one, it's
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an amazing machine. is basically a flying white house. this is the conference room aboard air force one. the president can literally do almost anything aboard the plane, including here he is preparing for a major speech. so he has the teleprompter, the mock podium. the president would exercise on air force one. obvious they hold meetings, and it was really, it never got old. i felt very blessed to be able to see the world aboard that plane. >> host: here's a photo. january 2009. >> guest: yes, the vice president in the oval office, and this was after the election. and so obama, president obama hadn't been sworn in yet, and there was a meeting in the oval
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office and a lunch with the five presidents. definitely a rare opportunity to see a lot of history all in one room. >> host: have you ever counted up how may people have been in the same room as five presidents? >> guest: know. i would like to know that. it was very special. >> host: back to george h. w. and barbara bush. a lot of photos of them in your as well, including one of barbara bush. >> guest: yes. she was a really good photographer actually. she would photographed me with president h. w. bush and president george w. bush and send me the photos assigned, like in record time. she was amazing. >> host: and here's another photo of mrs. bush, barbara bush. >> guest: yes, this was election evening 2004. very late at night. actually it might have been
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early in the morning, and we had just learned that president bush was ahead mathematically to win the election, and so the family decided it was time to celebrate with a conga line. >> host: how often were you alone with the family, just you and the bush family? >> guest: a lot. a lot. especially around family gatherings, around holidays. typically, for example, every christmas i was invited to camp davis to photograph the family. and the best thing is my wife was and with me at the same time so she could be with me and i could enjoy the holidays with her. and i was photographed -- i would photographed the family around christmas time. there was always a huge family portrait, which was important for them to get everyone together in one shot. i would do that every christmas. >> host: you say it was like herding cats.
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>> guest: yes, because the bush family is large, and just like any family, they were very busy doing lots of things other than waiting for a photo. >> host: as president bush says in his forward that you put your life on hold. here you are, easter in crawford, texas. >> guest: right. i tried to document family life, which meant, and family was very important to president bush to be together for these special holidays. and it also meant that my holiday was spent either at the ranch or at camp david. and actually i enjoyed that. my wife would also be invited to fly on air force one, which was a nice perk, and the president always wanted to keep the staffs family together if it was an opportunity for that.
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>> host: and did your wife get to know the bushes as well try three oh, yeah. >> host: did you agree with them politically? >> guest: you know, i don't think everyone agrees with everyone's political to be honest. but for most things i did. >> host: eric draper, january 20, 2009. >> guest: yeah, so this moment i had been waiting for, for literally years because i was there when the president walked to the oval office doors for the very first time, and i wanted to be there for the very last time walking out the same door. so there i was that morning, around 8:00, and i had always envisioned what the moment would be like. i thought it would be emotional, people crying and hugging. reminiscing, and he was very simple, very anti-climatic. the president asked for his coat, turned around and walked out. didn't look back.
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very simple. >> host: the book is called "front row seat." the photographer and author is eric draper who spent eight years as president your g. w. bush's photographer. you are watching booktv on c-span2. >> we would like to hear from you. tweet us your feedback, twitter.com/booktv. up next, a look at one book yuma, created to engage the community and dialogue about issues important to the region and the world. booktv learned about this program on a recent visit to yuma, arizona, with the hope of our local partner time warner cable. >> as you may know, nancy pearl who was the librarian at the seattle public library started
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the concept of what if one city read one book and discussed it in the late '90s, and in the early 2000 the state of arizona actually had a program, the state library started one book arizona. so we piggybacked on that idea and started one book yuma. we start in 2003 and an initiative of the "yuma sun." that next year we went dark we're just sort of talking about what is it we would want to do with this program and what kind committee partners could we bring in and how could we make it successful. so in the sun newspaper and the county library partnered up and then we brought on board the arizona western college library, northern arizona university library and the arizona western college office of diversity. so in a lot of input from the commuter to college. we brought some high schools in to ask what kind of programs they were looking for and what they thought that teachers and students would be interested in.
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so it took us another year to bring all that together. once we do that we kicked off again formed in 2004 with the devil's highway. he was just wonderful to work with. >> i've been with "yuma sun" for about five years and every year we always get a very positive response. the main point of contact for people here for the program. and i never get complaints. it's always windy doing this, how are you doing this, what book? where can i get the book? a lot of graduates who read the book and are involved in the program because it's a chance to meet authors did you read a book you like, you never get that chance. so this brings that to people. >> it's gone from a few people to more people to filling a room to article and have enough room. that's just been in the last few years.
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>> our latest author was car this time. became the yuma for three days. we had kind of a special event friday morning, the first since the book is narrated by a dog we really wanted to bring in an animal aspect. so we had the humane society come to the heritage library that everyone is outcomes on so people got to line up and meet garth, have him sign the book and then we got to learn a little bit about the humane society. so it was a little detour from the normal community q&a and signing the book. i think people really enjoyed it. >> we try to choose books that are topical join him energy, that are either use a hot clinical topics or something that people in our community can relate to, immigration, economy, illegal immigration and right down to our last book. so we usually have a lot of
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response that way. >> we set up a website here, and every year women have a book selected we update it. here's the book, here's the topic of here's a link to the authors pages. here's what we are planning country. as was at the time and date and location we updated continuously. we promote the website on her homepage. the ultimate goal i would say is to just really get as many people to read the same book and then to come together and discuss it. one of the things that we've always talked about is how often have you read a really great book or an article, then you don't have anybody to talk to about it and you want to bounce ideas off each other. find out what other people thought about it. that's part of interesting when people ask questions and inevitably some people say you stole my question. i was going to ask that. so you see people come together and talk about what they
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interpret from a book and hear what the author, what their intentions actually were. >> hostwere. >> have you picked a book next your? >> no. if you have any suggestions, send them our way. >> for more information visit by local content vehicles, go to c-span.org/localcontent. >> mr. moss, what happened in minneapolis in april of 1999? >> i start the book with that meeting because it's so informative of the industry's attitude and strategies. 1999, the obesity epidemic was just beginning to emerge. and raised concern not only among consumer activists and nutritionist, but among people inside the processed food industry. they gather together a very rare meeting of ceos of some the
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top manufacturers in north america. who got together at the old minneapolis headquarters, the old pillsbury headquartered in minneapolis to talk about none other than these emerging crisis really for the industry. and up in front of them was none other than one of the own, his name was michael mudd, vice president of craft. he was armed with 114 slides and laid at the feet of the ceos and presidents of the largest food companies, responsibility for not only the obesity crisis, but he cited the rising cases of diabetes, high blood pressure or heart disease tick even linked their food with several cancers. and he pleaded with them to collectively start doing something on behalf of consumers. because michael mudd knew that the competition inside the food
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industry, and you know it's funny because you walk into a grocery store and there's soft music playing, doing everything they can to encourage you to shop and buy. but behind the scenes, the food industry is intensely competiticompetiti ve. and he understood that the only way to sort of movie industry towards a healthier profile of the product was to get them collectively together. from his vantage point in meeting was an utter failure. the ceos reacted defensively. they said, look, we are already offering people choices. we have low-fat this, low sugar fat. if they really want that taken by those alternative products. we are beholden both to consumers and our own shareholders. they left the meeting basically going back to what they've been doing and continue to do, which is a deep reliance on salt sugar and fat. >> so what are processed foods? how do yo you define them speak
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with i most look at what people like to call ultra- processed food. but, even a baby carrot can be defined as a process to because it doesn't grow that way in the ground, a regular cared that gets shaved. but typically, i mean, for my sins processed foods are those things that take some of natural ingredients and highly refined them, highly processed them. and the formulas, too, other products i'm writing about in the book are incredibly dependent on salt, sugar and fat. it's not an issue. you can pick up the label and you can see, thanks to some government regulations that we have and labeling requirements come you can see the amount of salt, sugar, fat in these items. it's rather extraordinary. across the board at the grocery store just how reliant this industry is on these three ingredients. not just for flavor but for convenience because they can act as preservative, and also for low-cost because they can help
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the industry avoid using more costly ingredients, like fresh herbs and spices. >> are you interested in being a part of th booktv's online book club? this month we're discussing salt, sugar, fat -- "salt sugar fat: how the food giants hooked us." michael moss sat down with booktv at the "l.a. times" festival of books to discuss his book and answer questions. you can watch the entire program online at booktv.org. as you read the book, post your thoughts on twitter with hashtag btv bookclub. and white on her facebook page, facebook.com/booktv. than on may 28 at 9 p.m. eastern join our live moderate discussion on both social media sites. have an idea for next month? then your suggestions on which books you think we should include the a twitter or facebook or you can e-mail us at booktv@c-span.org. >> you've been watching
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