of changing from a monetary or social state. do you see that as significant in this is part of democratizing state banks and credit unions. i don't know enough about him a resource base economy. >> probably not enough. during this whole ecological resource aspect of this, which i only began to touch on when i talked about this. there is a lot of pressing coming in from outside of it as well to refresh the limits. i suspect if you look closely at that, we aren't going to solve the climate change quickly even

though we hope that we could, but that you cannot get there from here unless you change the structure and the kind of things that i am talking about are preconditions. by the way, you guys know large american corporations must go and they have no choice. if they don't grill, wall street will kill them. so the guys running large corporations are under a mock drill situation in that animal will not do it. so you're going to have to make it into a country that doesn't have to. so i don't know the answer to your question. >> what about history and going back? >> i'm not sure i don't even know what that means. >> you don't see the things that change and they are coming much

more critical than what we had before? we looked back and we tried to get something. >> you would have to go case-by-case and i do not know about that. i am very cautious about making that kind of a judgment call. >> sir? >> following you on the questions and what example do you deal with with integration between these efforts to community organizing in this alternative way of willingness. i ask that because i'm trying to understand how did these costs the capital to start and how can we deal with this in a more responsible manner. >> okay, so there are two questions, they are kind of

related. let me talk about the capital question first. then i will come back to the other. you all have hospitals and universities. we have a lot of money in it. some of those guys want to do it on their own. the cleveland clinic, which is the first one of the co-ops of the big investors, they were financed with bain capital at the height of the worst financial crisis in modern american history. now, how did they do that? you walk into the bank and dam you have a golden contract and you have a business proposition that makes it. so controlling parts of the market gives you a market that

is wonderful. he gives you a good as it is proposition. is one way to do it with the bank. another way to do it is you guys know the term community agreement and a strategy as you get. then they force computer development to give a number of concessions. i am dropping words but community has a lot to do with this. that process could be adapted to the business opportunities as well. and that includes looking exactly how you integrate these strategies from organizing

strategy so we understand the politics of it and we have, for instance, and hospital workers and service employees know better than anyone, they are under tremendous pressure. they can mobilize taxpayers against these two public service employees. there is no way out of that with shares and the revenues being directed. one of the ways to do that is to build up a whole economy locally to start talking about the ownership. so can there be a strategy? using worker owned companies that stabilize the job and can be guillen to use out with taxpayer dollars. that is a strategic way we are

going to talk about experimenting with this. but this is what innovation is important. if you roll your sleeves up, you will find people trying to figure out exactly what you're talking about, how do we do this, can we get some of these banks. as he can. some people are saying okay, i'll give part of this to community development. the mayor of cleveland looks politically fantastic. it is positive, not negative. it provides opportunities to innovate. it is not easy, but it is available in many parts. >> i am involved with workers compad we would like to work

with other businesses. what kind of business could you imagine would replace general motors. because there are some that are way beyond what i am capable of. and i don't know how you do it. >> i don't either. that is the challenge. there's a lot of technology going on here as well. when you are 3-d him this, the possibilities are radical or decentralization. but nonetheless, the challenges are what you do about large institutions and it may well be that a culture built u theies has got

development and in it but they just have to contain and manage. i do not know about that. but it is another area for intellectual research. what could be done better. these are real questions. these questions are constructive questions that you can work on. you can experiment. more people are doing this probably more than i know about. this is a very important like a university question. [inaudible question] >> you don't like what you see.

what do you want? it involves difficult questions like what you do about very large industries and we haven't even talked about this one what do you do about a continental scale system at over 300 million and the census bureau has 1.1 billion and you tell me the democracy and that system. and it argued inevitably that this demand democracy and mostly are small and there will be regional intensification. you want to think about it in other ways. but the question becomes what makes sense. we have to begin answer the

question. it is part of the constitution, which is absurd in many ways. twenty votes in the senate in california. it was done in the course of these negotiations. and now you have to think again about this because system is out of whack. especially if you take another piece of it. most talked about democracy like you could do like the germans do and the swedes do. those are at events and dinky little countries. like germany. i mean by that is as much as you can organize politics is reasonable way, you can drop germany into montana. they are very small geographic polity and we are in a contest

with some form and when we talk about this, we talk about constitutional issues and the president of the american political science association. they are into this big time, so that the system may be looked at and how do we begin to think about it. both professions are asking these great questions and we were not some of the visitors were progressive as well. so it is the same discussion. just to give you an idea everybody goes to florida because it's cheap in the summer or nevada. it depends on management and

consulting in the issues. go to the website and read what the manifest at it. what do we do about capitalism? that is what they are talking about. that is the thing that happened in switzerland. the guy who opened it up. he is one leading corporate guy. he said that. i am not saying that. they are asking questions because they realize there are really big problems. big problems. and they understand that. i was amazed at the association. we have a very sophisticated system and approach. but the analysis is radical written in business language. and something is going on in

this country. people know there's a big problem not like usual. do you have probably heard me say this enough. it's a shot at a democratic transformation. otherwise they do it and it will end up no other way. i think this is bar none. including with the revolution. including the civil war. because i believe the system is coming to the end of capacity politically as well as ecologically and it may go to violent, but it may also become transformative. some of the reasons i have tried to lay out before your eyes.

i have been there and saw that. the question is none of the above. the question is is essential. what would you or i do is a personal question. thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you for coming. >> booktv is on facebook. like us or interact with guests and viewers can watch videos and get up-to-date information on events. >> wormer senator kay bailey hutchinson was on booktv next. she talked about the history in the state of texas and this is about 30 minutes.

no one has anywhere in texas wrote about this. i think you for being such a strong organization that really is. >> my book who had the spirit of the pioneers who built our state. and it is much like people who go to our country. i have written two other books about the woman who broke barriers in our country.

in aviation and politics and medicine. and i wrote these books who have a great chronicle who built our great state. without the women of texas we wouldn't have had that great ability of excitement and spirit that we have in texas. i grew up in texas and i think everybody is like us. i moved around the country and the world. i realized that other states do not revere their history quite like we do. they do not require state history, but of course we do.

and i think it is the beginning of the interest that we see in our children. passing it to the generations is very important. i also saw something that was very different. it was this happiness. i found that that was not the norm in other places where you have to fight so hard against the harsh lands and in our case, the comanches. they were very brutal. despite those elements, you would think that people would be hunkered down and sober and somber. and they were not. they were happy. they enjoyed life. and i want to read a couple of excerpts that just made me

realize how very special this happiness in the face of danger and even hardship came about. i will reverse from an expert on this vote red as we know, the father came here and he wanted more immigration from the united states into the domestic territory of texas, as he was trying to encourage people to come. so he asked his cousin to come in north carolina and he went in to the everything and how great it was in and go back and write a book and distribute it on the east coast. and here is what she wrote. her book came out in 1833.

it is not uncommon for ladies to mount their mustang and runs with her husband and ride long distances on horseback. with their silk dresses and their saddleback. free spirit and spontaneous gaiety continue a rich legacy to their children who, it is to be, with full value blessings not to squander it away in their search for the luxury and refinement of life. now, i just thought that that was a fabulous thing to observe. but they have that when there was nothing. i would like to read an excerpt from my great-grandmother's letter. he was the daughter of the governor of tennessee. this was also something that ran

through a lot of the women who came to texas in 1820 and 30s and 40s. they came from families. they had a lot of luxuries. and they were well educated. they came through texas where there was nothing. there were no amenities. henrietta king, who built the biggest ranch in the world, live in a mud hut and married richard king. because there were no trees out in the southwest part of texas. there was nothing to build a log cabin with. and the others like my great-grandmother lived in a log cabin. and what she was the texans know

because some have disastrous marriages. so his daughter married a new daughter just graduated from medical school and moved to saint augustine, texas. she writes to her sister on may 1 of 1849. she said, out in this new country i have seen no one but strangers, but they are the kindest people i have ever met. they are as good as in any portion of tennessee and seem to be as much for refinement and he would meet at any place. there is no such thing as buying houses or furniture. they have very comfortable houses, but they cannot get purchase. it's too far away from navigation to get such things. by the time we make money, they

will navigate the spray then we can get all the little notion that we can't see that we need. if i have been in tennessee, i would've thought that thought when of the house would not do it at all. we live in a very small house with two room in the passage and we have not played overhead. with all of these conveniences, we are getting a lot of just fine. the people do not require the impossibility of newcomers. this log cabin is still standing and it is clearly a two room cabin. so we say have one or two so they can do a lot. but the rest are mud huts. you can begin to get just of what it was like in those early days. i was struck by the hardiness of these women.

when we were looking for the title of the book, here is what we decided would be the clincher. you all know thomas rusk was the secretary of state of the war against mexico and the commander in chief. they were very close and they were really friends and they were the first two senators from texas as well. john cornyn is in this line. but thomas is a beautiful writer. there is not as much written about him, but he was a wonderful writer and when he reported on the revolution, here is what he wrote. he said this was in 1836, right after the battle. the man deserves much credit. but more so do the women. armed men facing a foe.

but the women, with the little children around them, without means of ser powers to resist, faced danger and death with unflinching coverage. and i think that that acknowledgment in the role of women, even back in the 1830s, it was just so appropriate. i wanted to make sure that the role of women, just like the role of women in texas, was part of our history. i do talk about the revolution and the women who were there in the revolution. he dedicated this book to her. but she loved another gentleman who became the secretary of state. and so there is a part about

her. pretty soon after she rejected him, he went to alabama and met margaret lee. and they had almost instant love, it was a love that lasted. he and she wrote so many .etters.mu she was white and very cultured a wonderful musician by all accounts, very educated. but she liked to be quiet and at home. so they wrote a lot of letters, which means that there was a great record about her. one of the things that i never knew in the history that i wrote was that margaret houston had two children in right after her second birth, she had a breast tumor that became very painful. her brother and mom was very worried about her at this time.

she was in washington and this is 1847. they decided that she really needed surgery. so he was a great friend and actually started with the university of texas medical school and he came to margaret and said we have to take this out. and she wrote to him and said, it's going to be a little surgery. and axel smith wrote after he did take the breast tumor out, because she refused even with that he offered to dull the pain. she would only plunge a silver coin in her teeth.

it was because they thought that he was so stressed about stopping his drinking. but she didn't want anything to mess around with that. so with a silver coin in her teeth, she had four more children. another one that i wrote about was in the revolutionary times. there is a cousin of hers. emily austen was his sister. and stephen kept writing to her in missouri. that's where they were found anything come to texas because pretty soon the freeway and is going to close and you need to come now. and he said whatever you do, do not bring heavy furniture. we just have to deal with us here and everybody has the same

things. and emily brought her piano from missouri by a horse and wagon. it took months to get here. but again, she had been well educated and she was a pianist and she was not about to lose her culture. and that was another example of what was going on. i also did a chapter on the parker rated, the rate of four parker. and all of us know their story. she was nine years old during the raid and he was adopted by the indians and clearly became an indian. loved the indians and married this man and had the last of the comanches. i also wrote a lot about rachel

parker, her cousin. her cousin who is 18 years old and had more experience that others have. great historians have wrote in their definitive history that was the people who were killed in indian raids that were the lucky ones. because many were tortured and it was a very brutal existence. rachel was one of those.

and so going on and going for it, she died probably of a broken heart. she had another baby with her husband. but she died very shortly thereafter within a month and then the baby died as well. so she was just not healthy. but it was very much a part of what they endured, and you could tell how hard it was. i did not go into the trail. these women, there were a lot of them. but the ones who went on the trail drive, once they were out, they had to drive them on horseback in colorado in missouri and chicago so i did quite a long chapter on the