he would do whatever he wanted. when he came up with this idea of 18 gigantic underwater air craft care expwrers 44 planes, nobody was going to stand in his way but there were factions in the naval general staff who did not want this plan. they did not think -- they were very conservative and thought this was just a bridge too far, so to speak. so once the died, they came out of the woodwork with the long knives and almost killed the plan. at one point hate to had it scaled back and another point the other faction went out and got back the 18 subs again. so there was this tug of war, mass any bureaucracy, but they stayed with the plan, right through the war, even though there were so many men involved in the construction and manning of the submarines. it was like a battalion size number of mean. 2,000, 3,000 number of people

involved. not a small operation. and at great cost. they didn't have any fuel left. so they were committed right up to the end. >> like your confirmation or correction, if i'm not mistaken, doolittle and yamamoto had something in common as far as the date. doolittle's planes bombed tokyo on april 18th, '42, and yamamoto was shot down in' 43 on the same day. correct? >> yes. yes. >> thank you. >> yes? >> this is perhaps slightly tangential. for a lot of us our most recent exposure to the war was the movie "emperor" and i wondered if you -- whether it was more or

less accurate. >> i'm not sure i completely understand the question. if d. >> the movie, "emperor" in term -- >> what was the ill? >> emperor. >> i have not seen that movie. >> it's recently released in the last month 0 two. >> i have not seen that. that's on my list, then to see. you know, it's funny. the way mesh history was taught to me during world war ii, the japanese were conditioned of one dimensional and fanatical, and i got a disperspective when i win therefor and had a chance to interview navy officers. one of the man was a leader nor squadron and i thought he was ready to get back in this plane and finish the job, but the rest of them were quite logical and rational, and it was a point of view that i had never in a

million years encountered. i was fascinated to hear their reasoning. why they thought was just war, and then i kept finding out crazy little incidences like bombing oregon. they made a lot more sense think was taught. so that was -- i thick you read the book you'll find part of it is the u.s. submariners experiencing and part of it talks about what the war was like, what it was like to be a japanese submariner. >> we should stop. it's getting late and i want to thank you for coming out. i'll be right here signing books for anybody who wants know sign one. thank you. [applause] >> for more information visit the author's web site, operation

storm book.com. >> now on booktv, ms. snbcs co-host mica brzezinski and joe scarborough sat down to discussion their thoughts on obesity. the role of processed foods and reflects on her own body image issues. this is a little ore an hour. -- little over an hour. [applause] >> i'm over here. i like ed's dramatic reading. >> that was awful nice. >> come to every book tour stop. >> i need to clear up a couple of things he said. i don't play a slob on tv. i am a slob.

mika and i had this assembly line. would make henry ford proud. and we that this assembly line and were doing very well, being very supportive co-host and i was opening the books and alice was passing it over and then mika was signing it and then passing it on. and then ed brings in doughnuts. and i went for the chicken wings. >> uh-huh. i was -- it was all going very well. >> i swear to god, mika brings chips. ed brings federal doughnuts. i think we all know -- >> where are they? >> i won't feed those to my dog. >> they're good. >> i used to live in oklahoma city. and -- >> there you go.

>> so, mika, do we want to do this like charlie rose? why don't you have a seat here and i'll ask questions and you can get up and wave your arms. >> went to therapy for the book but i don't know if i feel like -- >> i'm going to be charlie rose. >> make sure you have long-winded question. >> are you ready? >> yes, charlie. >> mika. >> why did you write this book and why now? >> i've been wanting actually to tell this story for a few years because i've been in this business for a long time now, about 25 years. and i spent most of it trying to look like something i wasn't, and be a size i wasn't, and after having kids and then becoming teenagers, you feel called out on everything when you have teenagers. i felt like i was living and lie and i couldn't keep up with and

it i realized it was really unhealthy but the inspiration for the book started with -- >> have to stop. there's a lot of women asking, what the hell are you talking about? you're looking healthy right now. you just ran a half marathon, you're doing okay. >> right. >> a good time to stop and ask this question. how many women in the audience right now, raise your hands, hate mika. [laughter] >> okay. let's talk about -- this is in your introduction. >> okay. >> you say -- there was a real risk involved here. let's start by talking about the problems you had, because you showed me some pictures of yourself in high school and college, and -- okay. >> it's not good. just admit it.

>> it's unique. i mean, you can see there's a challenge that you're bulemic, you have a lot of eating disorders, and what is so fascinating as you read this book, it seems to easy. >> right. >> to you, even for those of us that worked with her, and feel there would be these moments where mika will be really tired in orange county, we called itit this york county moment and we were exhausted and on cable, and all these -- we were being nice to some people that our bosses told us we had to be nice to. >> on west coast time. >> we were exhausted. and i really did think up to that point that mika just liked eating leaves and nuts. and so in orange county we are all exhausted and i look at the plate and it's like rubber chicken, breaded. and -- >> actually it was breaded ching with cheese in the middle and a

side of chocolates cake. i said mika, even i wouldn't eat this shit. and as i turn to her and say it, swear to god, the plate is gone and she is actually licking her fingers, and i looked at her and then i said, what -- another time we were at a bob she fer event, and looked in the back of the card and it's like raccoons in the tinfoil. she had tamales and mika didn't tell us that had eaten them all, and she has this stuff all over her face. so, i say all this to say, you are really disciplined, but it doesn't come natural to you and it's a battle every day and that's something i didn't realize. >> it's funny. but it's not.

>> just like morning show, i do all the talking. >> it's funny but it's not. when you look back at it, and we do have a lot of joking on the show about this, which is another rope why i wanted to tell thus, to address what we put in the intro, there was a disconnect. first of all, the world i have been working in for 25 years, tv, in everything is exaggerated. you have to be much thinner than the normal person, so you think. you have to be a certain way. you have to look a certain way. your hair has to -- we've broken all those rules on our show, but 25 years of local news and network news took its toll on my image of myself, and i tell stories in the book about how i would dress a certain way, and everything had to be really tight. and i was even told by a network executive that they wanted to hire me but i really need to go lose some weight and come back in six months and try again, and i did, and i came back in six

months and got a job. so, the messages were very clear, and some of them were subliminal. if you already have a certain obsession or compulsiveness or, i claim, even addiction, to some of these foods we are surrounded with in our environment, i think it's a bad mix, and i tell this story because i discovered, after a very, very uncomfortable, tough conversation with an extremely close friend, who was actually obese, that even though she had a very different physical result, we both had gotten to the point that we had gotten to the same way. >> so -- >> driven by food obsession. >> let's set that up in one second but to let people know how the obsession continues. she was on the today show yesterday. talking about being obsessed and is working her way towards being healthy and you explained how you were a size two, right? >> i was 118-pounds and a size

two. >> since you start doing this book you actually have started eating. >> that was -- >> and you weigh -- how much do you weigh now? >> 133. size six and it looks good. >> so wore celebrating this and she says, i look good, like she is -- this obsessed demon inside you -- i said, that "today show "o'was great. i looked fat. and i said, you're still obsessed. but it's -- you're obsessed, dianne, your friend, even though she weighed 255 pounds she carried the same obsession around with her all the time, and talk about how this book started on a boat -- >> two years ago. >> by the way, an addiction i

think is not something you ever get rid of. so we'll go there in a second. two years ago, i'm on the boat with one of my closest friends. our families are there, and -- known her for a long time. we have shared so much together. >> you guys had baby together. >> we had a baby together. my husband was out of town for the birth of our second child, and she dime the -- came to the hospital with me, and in the middle of intense labor, carly was taking a long time to arrive, the doctor went to order a pizza. and dianne caught my baby. so we literally -- she has -- there is a sides of me i wish she hadn't seen. but it was amazing to me that about two years ago we'd known each other so long, shared so much, yet we hadn't talked about this one thing, that really needed to be addressed, and divided us. i was really skinny, probably

too skinny -- yes, too skinny, and diane had become obese. she gained 100 pounds. and i told her o >> you decided to do this because you loved her and you knew that she was literally killing herself as much as somebody that smoked a couple of packs of cigarettes. >> here's the question i have. women claim to be able to tell their -- tell each other everything. but do we? do we? because if you have a friend who is so clearly obese and struggling and can't even get into a boat, if your friend had

can certification wouldn't you support her and talk to her about it? ... >> and the most important thing that she would say is that she was surprised. because no one had said it. a doctor and get prescriptions for her knee and hip.

yet they did not address the number one problem. we talked more, and then i told her about my relationship with food because the conversation started with%, never know what to cut for you because you are like the freakin food police. i look like -- i am so ruled by this sort of tyranny of trying to be this then. and, you know, i sort of poured out the past decades of struggle . she was like, my god. you should read a book on this. and then we discussed her problem. at up to myself, i would like t write a book about this because i feel like i look -- i look on way on television and i am another way and real-life. i am destroying myself to look certain way and an attending on television like it looks so easy , and that of the that is

fair because i was not getting to my place on television honestly and healthily. and the band thought it was a good thing to work through. i said, you know what, what you bring something to the table. but you work with me on this book, but, the deal is, you hav to lose 75 pounds in the process . and i will pay you to get there because it will cost you a lot to try and figure out how to do this. the woman today has lost 75 pounds much of it today come to this moment. she is going to go for 100 more. she looks beautiful. she is more of the. you said 100 more. >> oh, god know. >> but the funny thing is, the funny thing is that we thought -- i thought i was doing her such a favor and realized.

fifth rebuff. >> i was in a worse place that she was. and so the book ended up with a good outcome for both of us. >> it is amazing actually how much has changed since to write this book because he used to be that person that you would go out have lunch with french. >> oh, my god, you're like a pig . a little bite, a little but a fake. and she would not suffer. everyone around her would suffe because we would hear about tha take at least the td but have taken that was like, will you please shut the heck up about that cake. it was like that much. now -- and this is the truth, since she has changed and she i getting closer to what her set point was, her birthday was mad

this second. a lot of birthdays. four pieces of birth date paid. -- birthday cake. seats normally and the rest of us don't pay for it, and most importantly, most importantly your daughters, now, you will have a slice of pizza with them every once in awhile. instead of caylee chips. you will let them see read normal. >> a problem with food. some minor edits to relax a little bit, not when myself all the time. >> what you talking about? he is running one of the bigges hits in the world. when he is in the middle of a crisis he is thinking about wha he will be eating that night. >> i understand. you would not believe the fascinating conversations we have had -- and i have been thinking only about food.

and just saying. [laughter] >> i knew she was not listening to me. she says there and rolls her eyes. >> no. it's great. >> anyway, tell us, and helps with the book, losing 75 pounds. what did you learn about yourself? >> most mothers have tough relationships with their daughters and are challenged by them. one of the biggest mysteries is what we say and not say about what to eat and not to eat and the impact it whenever it is that they're reading it really do a full chapter on how to tal to your kids about -- especiall in this society where we have such a growing number of eating disorders among and women especially. was especially insistent on that . my daughters and i have had an open dialogue about this. i feel like they should know my story and that they should have

their virginity to make their own decisions, but i need said -- kids like it when you are just honest. any to come clean about the problems i've had in the past. for most women who will read this book i think the biggest takeaways that you find yoursel point, whether it be an obese woman trying to work her way back to health or a woman who struggles with trying to keep weight on for whatever reason, lot of it upstairs. you have to discover what your set point is. it is not what you think it is. it is now you wanted to be a tricky in magazines and television shows and being told by a network was president to g and lose 10 pounds. is not that. it is the weight that you have and can retain, can keep withou working too hard. >> let's also talk about, you said different than it would be if you were in tv.

seventy times when you say, god if i were not on tv l.a. 140 pounds. you talked about -- i mean, you have to, even at 133, you still have to battle every day becaus you have to be on tv every day. but you talk about in high school, you would go to mcdonald's. you would have to big macs. unfortunately for you. s. 711 across the street from you and you go there twice a day . there would have run at us look reason this is a florida if i had a seven and 11 across the street, but you eight really badly nonstop. it caused, again -- the picture from the first two years in college. you say you looked you had an eating disorder. and you said you had to lose weight. why did you -- what is in you

that makes you want -- yesterday , the only thing that love you back. tucker of the emotional side of reading. >> i love that baby. >> bring the baby at year. come on out. now, listen. come on out. come on up. there is good news and bad news. the good news is that mika brzezinski loves babies, the ba news is she is not going to giv it back. we have a nursery now. >> oh, my god. here he is. >> hand over your baby. nice baby. going to make him cry. come here. i love my mommy.

>> you're so cute. >> was the name? and okay. so i'm going to use you as a shameless prop. so, i did not worry about such things. held is angela? >> mommy. >> the love every age. babies. so, as you know, three boys. i have one girl. i never really thought about things like this until the pressures that are on women, that is all it takes. and you know what was revealing to me? says she was -- >> you know what i said? she actually makes eyesight contact with me. [applause]

>> she would take over barbie's. >> right. >> and i would see, if you're going to take it. then i looked at this -- you know, it is just freakish. as far as perfect body, slender legs, perfect shape, perfect girl and a set their thinking, this is what my 4-year-old daughter, five year-old daughter , six year-old daughter is thinking in her head is the ideal. >> absolutely, and we have hear that story, all the messages. from birth, by the way. you know, i have to tell you. isn't she cute? you are beautiful. >> such as sweet baby. talk about that, mika brzezinski

. when you are in your most pain, hungry, lightheaded, everybody says -- >> the feedback was amazing. >> amazing. >> starting to show. people like your mom, work, to kids. your amazing. you would not believe the designers that would throw free close at me. >> and he started writing this book. you produced it the happiest year had been on tv was this summer at the conventions weighing 135. >> and that just like a mom. >> and you would wear a sweater. the first time he had been on t and wore jeans, sweaters, weighed 134, the most comfortable yet never been. what happens when you weigh 135 forces won a team? what i am saying is, when you'r at a weight that is unhealthy you get rewarded when you are a

a healthy weight. and suddenly they stop throwing clothes that you. is weird. >> i'm at the stage when i'm done with it. a way of coming clean and putting that behind me because am really tired of trying to be a size i am not. at out think it is healthy, honest, and the science behind what you're talking about, that jack trudeau started eating whe i was young, became very compulsive about it, actually feeds into this process of developing eating disorders or leading to problems like what m friend diane had, and that is the addictive quality of salt, sir, and fat, and it played int a lot of the problems. >> and being a obsessed with this unrealistic body image tha would have you taking in and be

in at night and going down the hall and finding your husband. >> in writing this book, is their families here from -- okay . >> they're all beating the donuts. >> i'd taken and be in one night , and i think it is like a truth serum. i walked downstairs and there was this large, large judge of new tella. eating it with a spoon. it was really funny but not. >> you will cut the next morning . >> covered. >> and you did not remember why you did. >> barely remembered. >> she told you. >> well was senate. >> a little bit embarrassing, but it actually is more common than you think. the fats and sugars that are process that they put into food

as we showed in the book throug research we did three aol university of michigan, they have brain scans and showed tha the pleasure centers in your brain when you ate these foods and large quantity would light up the same way as the brain would light up to cocaine, and there is science coming up that does point to the fact some of these ingredients are addictive and we need to change our food environment so that there are less than healthy and don't create problems that we're dealing with right now. >> let her mother have. >> she did stop crying. >> look better. [applause] >> look at her leg. [laughter] >> she is adorable. thank you so much.

thank you for sharing. oh, my goodness. >> thank you so much. >> what we are going to do know is open it up to questions. you don't have to ask about food . we will be glad to talk about all of that. we could talk about how crazy things are at times. that is news today. abcaeight. so let's open it up to questions . ask anything you want. >> stock fell a bit about the dividing line between governmen dictates about what we eat or drink and that's and the personal responsibility of free choice and free will. >> love it. how many of you like about what mayor bloomberg tried to do? [applause] >> don't you think it's fantastic, gas?

>> a lot of republicans in the room. a lot of republicans. [laughter] [applause] >> i don't want to live in an nanny state. i talk about this in the buck. mayor blumberg, set up in the book, but somebody give me a better idea because right now our environment is laced with poison. sugar is being proven to be a toxin. why would you serve soda to you children at this point? is the question your, worse tha i can be bark, and they're drinking in every day. fast food, lot of people really busy, given the messes that it is a good option have it three or four times a week. the population is dealing with an epidemic of a pc and we don' think that these foods are the reason for it. we actually think that these people are undisciplined and cannot figure it out themselves. >> first of all, fast food is not a good option, it's a great

option. [laughter] >> know it's not. >> the worst part of living in connecticut and new york is, they don't have the drive through. in the deep south we have a drafter for everything. have you guys heard of what of burger. unbelievable. chick-fil-a. it does not matter. they are great. i love that stuff. >> the place that we went to. >> the burger joint. it is and the back of -- [inaudible conversations] >> no, it is in new york. >> the back of the park, the next time you go to new york -- >> i want the baby back. >> and losing control of the crowd because i'm talking burgers. you have to stay with me. >> listen to you all. >> there is a story here that

she is an even remember. >> what? >> and so i want 56 between six and seven. year to the back of the park at meridian and there's a place, a burger joint. it is only -- like the natives know about it. when it started i took mika brzezinski and grace, our last dp, to the burger joint. and we take him back, and a tak charge guy. you will have three burgers, three fries and shakes. and if she is staring at the hamburger. none like, what, you're not hungry? i can remember the last time i've had a hamburger. she calculated. years. she lost an entire decade just

like the representative van winkle, seriously, burgers. >> i had to stop. i don't want them in my life. >> get it. listen, the thing is, here is the ideal, and i no you're sitting there thinking there ar some republicans out there. >> i know. >> and just on the other side o it because it sounds like you might be one of these republicans beat his use the word personal responsibility. [applause] >> more of the things i could sarah now, when i was growing u we eight sugar, fried chicken, my grand mom thought we had sugar shock sweet tea that will put you in a diabetic,. you wake of the morning, go out of their friends, run around an play all day.

the captain crunch you had for breakfast and a big mac for lunch and the snickers bar the you had for 3:00 and the fried chicken you had five or six, yo burned it all off. i was so skinny people thought was unhealthy because all i did was rant and rant and rant. kids now, my boys, i have all the boys. they play video games to my lsi and play ball. you know, eight is a generational thing. here is the deal about personal responsibility. the two biggest travers of our debt of the next 30 years, medicare and medicaid. and if you look at what drives cost from medicare and medicaid it is an obesity, debbie's, a lot of health and hard issues, circulation issues.

unfortunately i think for those of us who are smart, the government every single day is having a more compelling reason to get involved in this. of course it is a health issue, but i am a big believer and personal responsibility. by bad health habits is going t bankrupt us all. it is costing us all trillions and trillions of dollars over the next generation. >> the food industry is trying to corrupt, and if they don't i will end up anyway. >> next question. >> remember me. >> i do.

>> i come bearing gifts again. >> all right. >> come bring it up. >> sure. >> i didn't give us knew be thi time. >> not this time. >> oh, no. >> it's a key chain. >> thank you. let's get this. >> oh, that is so nice. >> i've done it a little while ago. happy birthday. >> oh, my gosh. >> thank you very much. >> me too. >> you know what, i actually go that -- when your dad passed, i meant to bring it when you work in philly last time. i had the premeditate. so this cut the key chain down.

>> rudd, thank you so much. appreciate this. very nice. >> thank you. thank you. >> yes, sir. >> that is so great. i really appreciate that. so sweet. so, mika brzezinski, how are yo doing? so, i had indienne. i found myself eating three pinnate butter and jelly sandwiches every night and so i became type two diabetics as well. and subsequently he crossed my employer at the time the huge costs as it progressed. now is under control, causing a lot less, but the motivation fo me, obviously, my kids. >> did you gain a lot of weight? >> probably 30 pounds.

it was close to other commodities. now i have it under control. but everyone is a different kin of motivation. so maybe you can talk about wha motivates one person. by the way, you're looking great . >> a couple yourself. >> okay. >> oh, good lord. that is all you can do. [laughter] >> pushups so i do not hurt my shoulder. >> i think that is why we are the perfect complement. we came out with completely different ends of the spectrum.

you have to find that right area . it is hard. people are to then have to figure out how to get to where they can maintain it. having said that, the addiction to certain foods and ingredient and the science that is now proving that these foods actually cause you to not have anyone ever have just wanted a chip. does the greatest example. >> there's a lot going on here despite the myths and stigmas and a very important wave of people who struggled late. but the book talks to a lot of other people, experts, researchers, as well as other famous people and their struggles or lack thereof. chris christie is a great example of someone who has no other choice, tried everything. the surgery that he got to my

actually advocate for people wh are federal bees because there are very few ways back to health . everybody has a specific path. the symptom is a lot of very real and wrong information abou the challenge and the science behind it. you can do it right. >> fascinating. let's get a question from this side of the room. over two years, when she starte writing this book she would tal about addiction as it was related to food. she would get hammered by one expert after another expert after another expert. over the past six months that has changed radically. other studies that came out. >> investigative reporter. >> self driven fact. it really connects the dots. >> it does not look so crazy anymore.

>> it is not crazy anymore whic is while other people yesterday you were asked whether women or men were fighting this battle and the odds are stacked agains them, you said yes because thes foods are addictive, purposefully addictive, and these companies, food companies spend millions and millions of dollars to trigger your brain. >> to make it so that you have to have super sized denounce an all you can do is think about more and when you smell it you practically tasted. so, i do think that the food companies are correcting. i don't know if you will make i because they're changing their menus and seeing that this is going to end up in the court in one, way, shape, or form. >> i, there. i grew up during that john kennedy era when we had the president's council on physical fitness.

and we had physical education every single day in my growing up years. we have lost that. our educational system is concentrating so much on so man other kinds of things, you know getting markets of the points where they can't take and pass exams that we have lost the educational part of our physica bodies. we need to get that back. art schools need to do a better job and putting special-education back in. >> it is so critical. it is so critical what you're talking about, and i alluded to before. it would take the presidential fitness award. >> i always felt i came up shor on the pushups. but that was -- it is so critical for our kids. our kids are not going out running, exercising.

you're so right. we worked up at harlem village academy an awful lot. we go up there, and for the first two or three years we wer so impressed. what they're doing in harlem at the school. it is a charter school. it is remarkable, but after about two years, i know that so many of the kids that i am to during and that joe entire seeing in that my kids are helping on the weekend are morbidly obese, from why. you're not do anything for thes kids if you are teaching them how in harlem to be able tab as well as somebody -- they call i the harlems cars still gap. the school and others have raised. and yet you're not trained to fill you're saying, keeping the healthy, not having an exercise not focusing on them being a complete person.

>> than exercising a school. they're not cooking dinner anymore because they're working. computers have than just mesmerized, 24 / seven. talk about all of the chips being stacked against our kids. you're going to have to make these changes on every level, but including the food that we emmeline's is @booktv the school . i don't understand why every child is entitled to a proper education but not a proper meal. i don't understand this. [applause] >> you can choose the next. >> up until about a year ago i was perfectly healthy. i became assailants. i was very thin, have always been my entire life. and i was never on any kind of the heads. i have never had to have any kind of insurance. i never had to worry about the color anything.

and now i am on every kind of medication. i go to pc every week. again massage. i have every kind of pain docto that there is. and it just seems like i am getting progressively worse and worse. and it seems like it was, how d i say? , as seemed like there is no answer. my doctors never had any answers , and it all started because no one ever really had an answer. all started because no one ever had any answers, and it all started because no one was ever really trained properly. and it started because i was at a hospital and i have this one little pain and no one -- this p.t. who was not properly trained, and because she was no properly trained i became this healthy person, and now i am disabled. my question is, where is their

responsibility for people with the doctors? people that are healthy, that are healthy and have gone from healthy people that are now no longer a of the. >> they go from. >> great. okay. whether you also steer this bac to what they and -- you talked about diane would go to the doctor and be treated for any. >> exactly. >> my dad, god rest his soul, but he likes eating a lot and m mom would say, what to the doctor say? and she go, you have to lose 40 pounds. he didn't. he basically broke down over time. but it has become this conversation. even doctors are afraid to have this conversation, sometimes with their patients. >> and that think that is like the conversation diane and i

have. you have to look at the whole situation and talk about the truth, and doctors often triggered need or your hip or your arm, but they do not treat what caused it. sometimes in the case of people who are struggling with obesity is obesity that is causing the problem. i think it is their responsibility to try to get to the rid of the problem to deal with the problem, but also to look at the holistic group as someone who is struggling with their weight. that has to be one of the thing they talk about. >> to fans of this show. >> very glad there is someone who watches the show. i was walking in here with mika brzezinski and somebody said, w love you. as china light and there are light, no, not you.

>> i wonder if you could talk about going to your to pregnancies and how you felt because i think that is a time in your life with your body tensed said matched how you feel . >> gap. >> i have to say, i have four kids, and all four are very gentle. [laughter] >> i jog to during my pregnancies. i have to say, overall having children may be dial backup som of my extreme behavior and compulsion and addiction with food problems, but to be honest i used to be proud that as -- after i had my first child, i think that i was too impressed with it and should have given myself a break. after having my fifth child i was jogging again. it was so important to me, and

to be honest if -- >> that's not right. >> no, and it's not. and i used to say, is looking bad. with the sperry and some of writing this book, i spent a lo of my life worrying about being thin and my next meal. my dad was talking about, you read kind of a funny thing. i think it is a big waste of time that i could have been enjoying my life and my babies. instead of obsessing over something that could happen again happen in a more healthy way. so so tired of being such a of physically sick pregnant woman. >> but that is the real rite of passage for women. it is a life changer, especiall with their bodies when they tal about what is -- you think you were too obsessive. you would stop and enjoy your

babies. without continuing to obsess. talk about a friend or two that has dented the right way. >> well, i talked to a friend for the book. does anyone here what's curb your enthusiasm? she did not drop in the f-bombs when we talked, and i tried. she is is really comfortable with herself. dan skynyrd does cbs is another person who has great stories about oprah eating, but she is okay with herself and her size. and a lot of women that i spoke to -- >> kathleen turner. >> kathleen turner, fabulous. i mean, she, obviously, you guy know are. some of the scenes this she has done and the way that she looked . and she just gave up. it seriously. i thought to myself, no, i really don't. she is like, well, i don't.

>> she would interview these people and say, kathleen turner it was like a confession. >> crying on the phone. >> being on the air and having to fit into these dresses. god, you have a bad life. i thought, that is really, just really -- i should be so proud of our i am at. honestly, my friend, diane, she coming and talking to me and working on the concept of the book is like, you really need t talk to someone. you really do. and i was so skeptical at first. >> you brought up suzie asman. i thought this was so amazing seeing mika brzezinski write this book, seeing a change your attitude toward food and weight change. of all the women she spoke with the one that she just really wa

was suzie asman. but she was blown away. it is really of the. and she is really comfortable with their self and her body image. that seems like that was a game changer for you, talking to her and going, she is amazing. she is not skinny and she does not care. she is healthy. >> and i ended the interview thinking, i will have what she is having, whenever it is, whenever it is. >> that is obviously a great one . god bless nor out. she is a really good friend of ours. she loves food. the funniest interview was when poured diane hill at this point still probably laid 240 pounds called -- >> we did a 3-way talks.

>> three weeks before she passe away. nobody knew. her closest family members. dan explained that she was overweight and weighs 240 pound and was eating a lot. and what did she say? >> why? i don't understand. why don't you just out? to i don't get it. you just have to stop beating. why behalf -- >> i am struggling with that. and to london 50 pounds. she is like, why? i don't understand. >> which is so rare. >> but she talked about, you know, calories, fyns -- foods that are in we, not worth eating . she had worse. >> ready you want to go?

will the to the left side. and i you're comfortable going left. >> exactly. >> i am a huge fan. i drove here from scranton. >> how cool. >> i work as a nurse practitioner. my question is -- so i work wit kids and adolescence that are already very overweight by the time they come in for treatment. my question, and i hope that yo can speak to this, we spend so much money and health care ever year and so little of it goes t preventive medicine. i wonder if in your riding of the book you spoke to people about that or did research on that specific topic? >> i will let you touch on this in just a second. said something very smart on ou show.

>> wait. what did he say? where was i? >> europe. >> i mean, this is sort of figuring this out. you call me up in the middle of the night. this is breaking news. >> no, he just said, can you imagine if we could solve obesity? how many health problems and would not have because it is preventative. think about it. what would you do, what it even exist 30 years deal? four decades ago? i don't think so. i don't remember obese children. i remember there usually being one child. now it is in many schools. a big chunk of the classrooms. some preventive medicine is sor of a deep-seated question because for what you deal with it is an extremely expensive task that if we don't accomplis

and solve we will devolve as a nation. it will not be a will to fight, learn, and we will be so unhealthy that our health care cost -- >> the guy from pennsylvania he said an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. >> did i get that right? not bad for a university of alabama guy. don't even ask me about math. i am terrible at math. i don't have to be that good. in . you know, a son who has diabetes . he is type one diabetic. there are so many things that they won't -- insurance won't pay for, education, a lot of treatment, preventive treatment but it is -- things get so bad that he has got to amputate a foot or leg.

it is so short-sighted. it really is. this is a great example. the ounce of prevention is wort a pound of cure. we could save so much money if we did what you are talking about and focus more on the up-front cost and not just preventative. you know, you talked about our health care problems. try talking about entitlements. give philadelphia a guy. >> by way of chicago. whittaker ronald time. you get a place like the cleveland clinic and they rewar of comes. they do not reward surgery. their reward great doctors, and preventive is part of that. the second you pay for cutting somebody up, they are paid for making people healthy are keeping people healthy. it is crazy. >> has the right.

>> now you're going to go to th left. >> we are still subsidizing cor to make corn syrup. why? investors. there's a lot of money. >> that is just ridiculous. farm subsidies, seriously tac paying farmers not to plant crops. it is unbelievable. you look at that. >> tobacco subsidy. >> i wish there were a big mac subsidy. yes, ma'am. on the left. >> and to that point, the debt -- the government does control what we eat. if you have a problem with the nanny state, you should have a problem with the whole system. >> thank you both for being here . i make college athlete at temple . i'm curious where you think exercise factors into this and tell -- i am worried after my college career and exercise become not just an outlet, but where you draw that line betwee an outlet and an obsession.

>> i've cross that a few times in my life. it's a of the points during min journey that i talked about in the book, i exercise maturely t eat or exercise and don't teach which are extreme behavior is that really make exercise just brutal on your body. so there is a fine line. there are obviously @booktv is pretty easy to identify. it is amazing what you will not admit to yourself. but i used to not feel good about myself unless i would run a ridiculous number of miles pe day. and part of the deal that day and night cut is that she would lose the weight, i would gain the weight, and i would be okay with it. and a good day now, i run a couple of miles. guess what, i still feel like i could run more, but i stopped. that is my line because i had limit issues with how much -- i

is called exercise bulimia to b honest. >> when you started this year she would run 9 miles a day. that is just not healthy. come on. [laughter] >> by the way, another thing, she said that there were days that she would exercise and not eat. did not ask me, a lot of days that i eat and exercise. >> everyday is a good day when that happens. >> and i was entered, really a stream. i would go for days. and it was kind of an ugly secret. so i love running. i love feeling fit to. in that think that you should continue running after college, but it should not own you. nothing should i knew. i wrote a book called knowing your value. honestly, you cannot know your value and still nothing on june and you own it all. i really have a sense of balanc and joy in everything that i do.

>> to the right. >> to the right. okay. let's go back. a hand. hold on. we need a microphone. many a microphone. >> i watch you guys every morning. a friend of mine actually bring starbucks over every morning, and reset their together. >> i love it. >> it does not matter. our straws. >> i'm glad it's not joe and makeup. i have had a few people name their female parrots after me. that is a true story, and i'm glad you have not done it. >> one of the things that i think is happening in our society is our our environments are in the suburbs. where i go and that drive and a drive in a drive. kids drive. they did driven everywhere. i do not think that we have towns where they're walking.

amin, a child growing up, and you either my your bicycle. safety and you don't have that either, and that is a big component. >> that makes such a huge difference. i mean, that makes such a huge difference. you know, when we lived in this city, up in connecticut now, bu while many -- we walked everywhere. we walked everywhere. we had julia reed on this morning. she talked about, she went to o -- is a long day. when there. >> five minutes ago. >> i'm sleep deprived. >> i have to tenedos sometimes. >> good lord. i did not even have my munchkin at this point. what do you expect? so, but she wrote a book talkin about eating and it talked abou that when she went to europe sh

came back later that summer. she had lost by 25 pounds. she was not on a diet. she just walked everywhere. and, you know, we went. i finally had some moments with my family right to go on vacation. we went to italy last year. and, you know, a normal. i came back in a and loss of five, six, 7 pounds because i walked everywhere. you're exactly right, especiall in the suburbs. it is so tough in the suburbs. i grew up in pensacola, which i one giant suburb. drive through, mcdonald's, driv through starbucks. i miss that. you drive through every where. drive through heart surgery. you drive home. [laughter] nobody walked. and it is sort of the same way. i absolutely love connecticut. but you know --

>> more and more towns are trying to make people walk more but it has to become a part of our national conversation because it is unbelievable how disconnected we are physically from each other. and we do everything by compute now. >> okay. which means we can do about 12 more of these. >> actually, you are going to have to choose. >> we will do rapid-fire. right in the middle. yes. stand up. both of you stood up, so you both have to ask questions. go ahead. shouted out. lightning around. [inaudible question] >> this social figure. >> that is me. amylum the cause of the socialist. she takes the other side of it. >> writing his book and found that. [inaudible question]

[laughter] >> with bloomberg i think mike is a friend of ours. there is always a balance is in how much the federal government amount the state government about the local government step in and how much is dialed back to personal responsibility. yet to give the mayor a lot of credit. he has pushed the envelope and that think a lot of things that he is done, people are raised. being outraged by his cigarette ban. all lot of things now seem pretty insightful, and that think you will see other people following. where are we? we are in a state of confusion. yes, ma'am? [inaudible question] [applause]

[inaudible question] [applause] [laughter] >> while. >> that shirts are too tight. buttons popped at the belly. sometimes -- >> you never know why somebody is like -- one of the last line of atticas' fans, you walk a mile and some issues. in these exit driving around boston one day. and he has seven kids. you know. he is such a catholic, such an irish catholic guy. and he is father of the year. he is grandfather of the year. >> to get a vasectomy. then he had another kid. [laughter] that is all you need to know. >> he did. he is on the phone with his kid and other people's kids all day.

he tells the story, but he is a wonderful father. he is a father first. he really is. a remarkable night, but his seventh child came after he got a vasectomy. and to me one day, they were having some of brunch. terry jumps up. he points at mike's best friend who is on tv and does, daddy. [laughter] i'm just saying. yes, ma'am, in the back. >> obesity being just one of th causes of the increase in our medical bills. you have not mentioned that one of the causes of obesity is poverty. if someone had a dollar to buy food, they're not going to buy pound beef.

there will buys snickers bar. it tastes better, more filling the amended macy feel better. >> how come i would buy a snickers bar before i bought a tale. this is critical. food does its in cities puts a fundamental problem in our society, when i was talking about, children getting exit to have educated. the food is so expensive to go to the grocery store and try to get a healthy meal. read this book. read michael's book. trying to get to the grocery store and finding something it does not have a list of the top poisons, you won't unless you spend a lot of money. so it is going to have to be a national effort, and i do think that we are going to have to address how the next generation of children, all children, including children who might be living in poverty, eat, because they will end up obese while others to have more money and have more education and

understand this problem more fully, as we are with this growing amount, what the. >> can i end with a political, quick political statement? okay. i just want to say to my m shor given the crowd that this is yo guys did not vote for him, and don't really care if you vote for him next time are not. i hope you do. but i hope you all will write a letter or an e-mail or call pat to mes office and think that guy . think that guy for having the guts to stand up to these survivalist caucus in the nra that is driving the nra of the clef, that is driving the republican party of the cliff, that is driving the conservativ

movement of the cliff. when it becomes dangerous to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists and when it becomes dangerous politically to actually make criminals have background checks before they get guns, something is wrong with my party, and something is wrong with this political system . please think pat's to me for having the courage to do what i right, do what is right. ladies and gentlemen, mika brzezinski. [applause] >> thank you. very much. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> book tv is on facebook. like us to interact with book t yes, and viewers to watch videos , and get up-to-date information on events. facebook.com/booktv.

>> here are some of the latest headlines surrounding the publishing industry this past week. stephen king has announced he has new -- no plans to make his new book available in electroni format. the author attributes this recent decision to as low as paperbacks as a child.

>> don't mean to put you on the spot here, but representative tom cole, "what are you reading this summer?" >> well, i am reading a wonderful book, the hopkins touch. about halfway through that now. about harry hopkins, the legendary aid for fdr. we probably don't have the same

politics, but admire his political style and it is a compelling life. probably next, i have not had test read the act of congress, but reviews have been pretty compelling. that will be an interesting cas study. when you're reading a book wher you know all the characters, barney frank, senator dodd, som of the legislators, it is interesting to get the perspective. and then there is a book that i just ordered on james byrnes, a legendary south carolina -- actually a political reporter put this on my radar. very nearly vice president instead of tremendous and 44 an continued to play an extraordinary role in politics and became one of the architect of nixon's success in the south in '68 and '72. actually interesting. just popped up working with

harry hopkins. the 1940 nomination of that tiara. so it was pretty neat political work. so i like to read about the process. i like to study history. i seem to learn better in history. ..