when the former nlrb lawyers tried to guide the players and they've rejected that but out of that came what we would call a company union the organization to create the first pension plan that is vital for athletes that have such the abbreviated career and what will happen beyond that. >>host: who were some of the players active in 1946 to push the union? >> some of them, one of them was dixie walker, and we called hand people's choice for those who patrolled the outfield, i johnny murphy

murphy, marianne, the shortstop of the world champion st. louis cardinals and that first year after 1946 i belong love with it came was trying to protest their conditions and not by negotiating pension schemes. and then to be involved with the union but also some of them were going south of the border to mexico to join the mexican elite that was enticing some of those cells of the border. i talked in the book that we as kid sought and observed as they went down there and they tried to come back and

reclaim their status and initiated an antitrust litigation and labor law as too important legal avenues the players have used beyond the collective bargaining process itself. >>host: mr. gould why since 1995 have we not seen a baseball strike? what did you help to put into place? >>guest: we see no baseball strikes as a result of the settlement, revenues have escalated by the time we intervene to but at the

time of the last collective bargaining agreement in 2011, those revenues have increased so in the era of prosperity and the players and the owners had something to share and the bad boys of sports became the model. this is then sharp contrast to football, hockey, basketball where there is a series of lockouts and this highlights another feature that players were smart id realize they had something to give the owners. they were freewheel this is

a matter of great concern as cuba is about to open up many ways along with japan the greatest player market in the world. already we already see the cuban players on the ad hoc basis but you have a chapter

on declining black participation in an end baseball. why? but one of the greatest moments when i was a child of course, was at the advent of jackie robinson that is receiving a good deal of attention with a new film, 42. i talk about the day robinson came up and how my father, who had no interest in baseball whatsoever. >> in issues they had a

great but the day that robinson came up, he knocked one in and threw a and b are very excited about jackie robinson.

>> and no of the players they have diminished appreciably from the 1970's and a system was in effect in which only that a black superstars were able to get in to take game right you have more but from the '70s and the past decade, we have moved down at 8% and this is true a number of reasons which i discussed in the book, one of them is the lack of equipment, and

increase competitiveness for when kids were young your. >> with his travel teams it costs money. when i was out but there were no batting cage and sees, there were no preferred will feels but scholarships for baseball as

opposed to football and basketball. the leaders of baseball say blacks are not interested in baseball. they are interested in football and basketball. there are 80 scholarships for football. and it that kids who have coaches or complete rewrite -- three right in the kid that is more likely to be black that has athletic ability in a number of sports will choose that sport and not a baseball. there are no scholarships in baseball and the reason is because you don't have a comparable revenue. but that we have to overcome just as we did with women in sports where women were denied full scholarship because there were no revenues.

there have to be more full scholarships in baseball there are none now so we can attract young kids to our black and white into the game who don't have the economic resources that so many press as. >>host: as chairman of the nlrb, and you make any more controversial positions to

light the streets and the national news anchors were talking about us and with the nlrb, and known to probably most of the population, suddenly received a of a great deal of attention. >>host: if you want the inside story here is the book, former chair of the nlrb, a mr. gould the book "bargaining with baseball" labor relations in an age of prosperous turmoil"

>> i was a reporter in miami and there was a case with seven men from liberty city of four section of miami, and the first consol was came now that they were here to clear groundwork gamay will bomb the sears tower just to get them off hour back to go to the beach. the thought was ridiculous but then i realized there was informants to talk about al qaeda another informant was posing as the al qaeda operative and that was the only connection to terrorism matt all. but i did my stories when i was in miami and then i realized there more people being announced with similar patterns. people torrey it but they

never had the ability to acquire weapons that were provided by the end of every agent posing but with those pieces to involve real terrorist who are in serious and imminent danger in those who have no thoughts on their own both the undercover agents so i applied for every year three journalists pursue a project that to take one year or more a and sousa holistic look of all the pieces coming to the court since then 11 and to figure how many involved a terrorist terrorist, but had no capacity at all.

so we also need to produce a story that is entirely and was an 500 with the prosecution and one at of every two but for those and never have that capacity on their own and the underlying part is that we can show these dozens of men who never had a capacity on their own but in to those whose team talent the others are like the ability to

acquire weapons but the fbi provided them with the means they needed to become the men on the fringe to the investigate overnight. >> if you go inside these cases the stories you tell are astonishing. >> many are complicated but my favorite is in a situation like this about a man in illinois a and you don't know exactly why the fbi targeted him but they decided he was a potential terrorist threat and decided to assign an informant to he was a recent convert to islam and was ostracized and worked at the video game store was no place to live. so the informant strikes up a conversation right before ramadan and during that

conversation he tells his story and he says you could come live with me and i have all like to use and he thought it must be the work of god. sure. over several months they talk about it is long and the informant encourages him to get involved and take action for the terrible things the u.s. government is doing and he says i want to smoke a judge your kill the judge and the informant said what about attacked a shopping mall? he is getting very excited and at that point* the fbi had this thing but derek didn't have money and they needed to have more than talking so they needed him to acquire weapons and the informant says i know an arms dealer who can sell

grenades and they don't have money but if you to the stereo speakers he would take an and how the trade. i am pretty sure no stereo speakers should be taken for grenades. [laughter] but in the park was the arms dealer he hands them over and age it hands over five grenades and then the agents rushing in and arrest them in charge with conspiracy and of weapons of mass destruction and is serving 25 years but if anything he is a danger to himself and not other people but during the sting operation if not for you i probably would have ended up stabbing somebody with a steak knife. that shows he was capable of a minor crime but to the

elaborate sting operation the government could say here it is another terrorist caught or plot flailed. >> you are a journalist not the historian of you to talk to the actual people to find out what they were thinking in this process and to make an effort to get a sense why the fbi would do this and the rationale from the bureau point* of view. >> there are people who are critical but in general you find them. >> with the fbi deals with that al qaeda existed as it does today there is the capacity to send over people who will commit a horrific crimes but instead they are concerned about bill lone

wolf those who are disillusioned and have bad feelings about the united states and then they will watch the al qaeda video and that will launch an attack and what the fbi refers to that it is moving the franchise model without its own it would in fact, with the idea then they carry off the attacks of they are looking for people who are on and that is just as i would crossover even before he becomes one testing is intended to draw you out and arrest them and in this case

is conspiracy about objection and i try to talk a lot this in the book but if you are a case agent you have a guy on tape saying i want to bomb that building you don't want to be the one who says we will ignore it than six months later he actually does. so you can understand why they would pursue these cases but in the book i say there is yet to be an example of someone who on their own is capable of terrorism who is of loudmouth score on a chance meeting meets inoperative and says here is a bomb billy person providing the capacity is the fbi. the sting operations are the evolution of drug stings where in the movies it has

been glamorized with an empty briefcase and a few people believe there is cocaine then they handed over the open briefcase then they arrest a person but that works because data shows they're not buying more selling drugs from the fbi they can do it somewhere else but the with the weapons of a terrorist organization like a large bomb it has yet to be the case where someone on his own is a sympathizer then crosses to operator to commit an act of terrorism and someone gives them the means. that has not happened today. >> representative what is on your summer reading list? >> i am about halfway

through it now as a graduate we don't with the political style and probably next up i have not had a chance to read the kaiser book but the reviews have been pretty compelling and that is an interesting case study. if you know, all the characters with senator dodd, barney frank, the legislators, it is interesting to get that perspective with the staffers and then there is a book i have just ordered on james burns who was the legendary south carolina actually a political reporter said you will love this book and he very nearly was vice president instead of truman in 1944 and continue to play an extraordinary role in

politics one of the architects of his success and interestingly enough just popped up a working with harry hopkins with the nomination of fdr which was sneaked political work. i like to read about the process and steady history and i would read our policy unless history by learn better with history.

>> there is no word negative processed food industry hates more than the word addiction i tried to use it sparingly because they rather convincingly argue there are some differences between food cravings and narcotics cravings with the threshold however when they talk about the allure of their foods they use words like craveable snackable.

>> that is why i wrote it and they have decided the political debate is worthless they will not debate policy or the way to solve the nation's problems or provide evidence they will label us morally deficient human beings not worthy of debate and we see it of every reign of america life. we saw from colin powell, brian williams and president obama himself just last week. colin powell's talk about the lead intolerance running throughout the republican party. what evidence did he provide? that we are not left-wing and do not believe in a climate change or that we don't believe there should be redistribution of wealth

or that we don't believe in obamacare every would just move to the left and that would make us not races now colin powell should know how not races they are after how many were considering him for a presidential run as secretary of state under president bush. someone who was treated very well by the republican party but that did not stop him because now we are the bad guy. president obama did it with his inaugural address last week also. he said a peculiar line in his speech were he said absolutism is not a principle and name-calling is not discussion. he proceeded to spend the rest of his speech avoiding principal and name calling and suggested essentially if you disagree with him you want people in their "twilight" years to live in poverty, parents of disabled kids to have recourse, you want black people to stand in line to vote and gave

people to be treated on an equally and he actually said all of those things that was the undertone and just yesterday's dianne feinstein leads off her press conference with the pastor to say if you're a good christian you have to be for gun control otherwise you don't care kids are getting killed all around the country. this is what the left stands for now. there are several police worth pointing all i will divide into two sections. first what it is the face and the other is how we fight them because it is the overwhelming attempts by the love to silence the debate to shut us out hankou people into being quiet because it is much easier to go around your daily business if you don't hate every minority.

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