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and it went from 2500 feet to 8500 feet in ten minutes. think for a minute of the united states, from baltimore all the way down around florida along the gulf coast to texas, that will be a foreign territory, that will not be part of the united states, with jefferson davis being the president, become a nation to the south of the united states of america and that opens up a whole new world. >> welcome to palm springs on booktv. would help of our time warner cable partners for the next 90 minutes we will take you to the palm streets of the city known as the playground of the stars. we begin our special look at palm springs with the story of vyola ortner, chairman of the indian tribe.
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>> an interesting thing after my father died, there was a meeting she wanted to attend in palm springs so i took off of work and drove her to the meeting. i guess i spoke up and said something and the next thing i know is we have an election, a regular monthly, yearly election and i got a call the next day, i had been ejected as a member of the tribal council. i was absolutely floored. i couldn't believe it. that was my start. in our local politics. >> she transformed this tribe in a way no one can deny and the
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ramifications of her efforts in palm springs had many impact across the country because what she was doing here was setting in motion guidelines for modern governance that would lead to economic development which is what the tribes desperately needed and she transformed this tried in to one of the richest tribes in the country by virtue of her efforts. >> i grew up in palm springs, calif.. i was born in 1921 and i was born in section 14 which is in downtown palm springs and my parents had a motocross area and i grew up with kids and going to school, very good reliance. it was interesting because of the fact that i had joined the
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women's republican women's club and was an officer and i was used to very much a run and down here we didn't have the constitution, we didn't have by laws, we didn't have anything. we just had meetings. that was a shock to me. that we didn't have any of that. there was never a tribal attorney before vyola ortner got involved with the tribe. first year she was on the tribal council she paid for an attorney out of her own funds. knowing the necessity of having legal counsel to go through the thickest of all of the regulations that the government had developed around indian land and she was determined to maximize this asset. it was the land and natural resources.
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this was before gaining came in so vyola ortner do if there was any chance of building a better future for their fried it was to maximize the land. >> section 14 became a very bad slum. because we didn't have these things -- leasing. you could come and be on my land, you can live on my land so then it became very congested and it was not a good sight. >> if you only lease a land for a parcel for five years for a residence for ten years for agricultural purposes you get clientele that won't stay very long. to make it really developed, just imagine if somebody is only on your property for five years they bring trailers or they will bring a tent.
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they won't bring substantial property investment into the land. same thing with they are planting trees or other types of crops they are not going to take it as seriously as if you are putting a long-term investment in until you put a lot of infrastructure in. that is what somebody was not willing to do. there were people saying we could really developed palm springs but we don't have access to long enough leasing laws so in her case she wanted to change that and she was going straight for 99 years. she wanted 99 year leasing and that was used in other contexts. at first the government were not doing 99 years. she kept plugging away and got the first twenty-five years with a renewal of another 25 years for a maximum of 50 so the first long-term leasing is called public lot 255 and that was put through first and she was right
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back to work testifying before congress. you can imagine vyola ortner with the of the tribal council members going to washington d.c. arguing that they needed this one interesting concept that she presents to congress where she says we need vitamin money. we don't need vitamin b, we need vitamin money. we have to develop our land and we can't do that unless we rate the leasing laws. >> that was quite an achievement for our tried to do that and through that we were able to eventually build something on the hill, that house and everything turned around, being able to reach the land and get developers to come in to do that and it was an opening. for our tribe.
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through that hard work. the things that really makes me extremely proud is with the conditions we have in washington today we had no lobbyists, we had just eight attorneys and five women. that was quite an accomplishment. one of the things i am very proud of as a tribal member is i was able to get the help of my counsel. the reasons why we needed a constitution and bylaws and that was an exciting time because we literally went around to the different homes and explained
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about the constitution, the men were not very happy with us. we got to be an old woman tribal council. we thought this was a good idea which it was, wonderful thing. it gave us a way to organize and have respect in the community and everything. we were not just letting things go by. they took the position that we listened to the city and too much. you have to listen, to learned, to make the right decision. we didn't always agree with the city or do what the city wanted us to do, but we had this relationship where we could talk about it and discuss it and the men didn't have think we should
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be doing, shouldn't be talking that much. it was one of those little things we had to overcome. the city helped us at different times when we needed help with our legislators in sacramento and in washington d.c.. it became a good working relationship that continues to this day. i don't think the men ever got over all of it. >> as opposed to the traditional style of the male tribal leaders, they were very close, very inward, not trusting of the government, didn't want to work with the city of palms springs. very of verse to this. they had to work together. the way in the land is constructed, the reservation land inside city limits of palm springs, bear in mind the book
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describes how 7,000 acres of city limits are tribal land. that is huge. that has to be managed somehow arrange you have to interface with the city somehow. because of her willingness to stretch out a hand, she was able to accomplish these things. she said there is a very interesting quote in the book where she says because i was a have read i was able to do this. i was willing to reach across. her father's european ancestry--they married here and they settled here and vyola ortner was brought up in those two cultures, so to her it wasn't something alien to duende was the access that allowed her to achieve the momentous things
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she did. >> i have always been a person with a job to do, you do it, if you are elected to do the job, you sweep the floor, you clean the floor. so whatever it was you just did it. i didn't have any apprehensions about not doing it. >> they reach across the aisle and worked with the city to come up with new zoning, new right of way, new plans for infrastructure, new plans for gaining aspects of the reservation for specific needs. it was very distrusting. that's look at it this way. the reservation represents a
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very small portion of what the native americans once had. face it, that is true. vyola ortner's added to was ok, we can sit around and be better, that we had so much of our land taken, quote we can get together and work and maximize the assets that we do have. and she did that and made the richest tried in the nation. >> in palm springs, calif. booktv spoke with greg niemann about the evolution of the area over time. his book is "palm springs legends: creation of a desert oasis". >> palm springs. it is a special place. people have been living here for years, the cahuilla indians have been living in these canyons behind you, down in the hot springs, in the heart of what is
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now pull strings and for many years it was the cahuilla indians gathered and planted and non-indians, the white men didn't get here until the >> guest: hundreds. i credit the birth of the town to a guy named judge john mccallum. he was a politician, a big shot with the know nothing party in sacramento with the state senator. he went to washington d.c. when the president was shot as part of a committee. talking president lincoln discovered his oldest son johnny had tuberculosis. prior to that time they were not sure what was a good cure for respiratory ailments. they discovered the dry desert air would be the best so he moved out, he quit everything,
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moved out to the valley and actually -- he was coming into palm springs and saw lot of opportunity. he started buying got this land from the railroad and buying up other than and when the railroad came, he held an auction and people came and people came and they bought and he sold plots of land and these people came and planted and for the first couple years everything was wonderful, all sorts of produce, citrus that grew in the desert. people think of it as desert but there is water here. there is an aquifer, several streams coming from the mountains. for a few years it prospered. then disaster struck. 1894, began an 11 year drought and one by one the settlers abandoned their lodge.
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there was no water. 11 year drought is hard to overcome and so they left and mccallum died thinking he was a failure and his widow died and his children died except for one, his daughter. she came back and saw the old range kind of all -- nothing there. for it down and used for firewood. she decided to rebuild. she started rebuilding, replanting, got indians to help her and she started buying up the lots of the people who left. pretty astute businesswoman and she ended up building the first hotel in palm springs, the oasis, the second hotel. she also built a tennis club, she owned a good portion of this town and she was responsible for helping get it going. in the meanwhile another woman
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came into town and built the desert in. these two women, nellie kaufman and janelle macmanus were strong individuals, one hotel, one another, and they were different in personality but they helped this thing grow and nellie was married to a doctor and one of the whole things they wanted was a sanatorium. by this time it came to realize the desert, dry desert climate was really good for respiratory ailments and people came from all over. either they -- respiratory situation or some member of their family did. they were coming here in droves. i look at palm springs as several different backgrounds. number one is agriculture. that was how it was set up for jenna lee.
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number 2 was the sanatorium business. people were coming all over to cure their tuberculosis, pulmonary diseases and what have you and it works. the dry desert help them live a lot longer and more enriching lives. some of those people were artists and photographers and authors. written as for william randolph hearst developed respiratory problems. william randolph hearst 7 out, go to the desert and just one example of all these people, these authors, famous photographers and writers and arthur's and painters who were here and they knew each other.
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was like a colony, an artists' colony. they were the next phase, from the respiratory phase. by this time too nellie kaufman and these people realizing they could appeal beyond the sanatorium and scratch that off. it attracted people from all walks of life, celebrities came out here just to enjoy the desert, what the desert had to offer and there were all the celebrities of the time, albert einstein was here and shirley temple land you name a celebrity and they were out there. they look at the next phase as kind of the celebrity face and we are only -- those people in hollywood need a place to unwind and kickback and they discovered palm springs and it became a
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haven for the movie says. it was . it was a lot of history about people, some were low key and came outet . it was a lot of history about people, some were low key and came out. it was a lot of history about people, some were low key and came out and kicked back and others made a name for themselves. some of the things, some of the places like a rocket club were built by a couple of performers, charlie farrell, they were tennis buddies at the desert inn and another place, tennis buddies kept hogging the court so they just kicked them off, got to do something, bought a piece of land north of town, built their own tennis club band called the rocket club and it flew for decades. marilyn monroe was discovered in the full year. when i came to townpool year. when i came to town i went to
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dinner. it was an institution among other institutions. the celebrity crowd, people come to palm springs and take celebrity tours and the buses drive, and down the street and this house belong to this, most of those people are long gone but they are still around in the area. there are a lot of things that happened in recent years. if you live north of town, 3,000 windmills harnessing wind power, with the tram which opened in the 60s, put a revolving, world's largest revolving drum car, from 2500 feet to 8500 feet in ten minutes. it is so beautiful, so different from here it is amazing so you
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have the tram and the follies theater downtown, there are hiking trails and good restaurants and there is a lot to love in palm springs. there really is. >> next from palm springs, calif. we take a look at a cover to cover book club. their latest book selection is "mao's last dancer," a biography of li cunxin, a dancer who started his career at the beijing dance academy at 11 years old and eventually defected from china and joined the accused in ballet company. >> welcome, everyone. a lot of new faces today. i am jeff clayton, collections and operations manager at the library and we have been doing the book club since 2008 here. we have a few of our folks who have stuck with us the entire time. let's go ahead and get started. today's book is "mao's last
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dancer" about li cunxin, it was of very big hit in australia, on the best-seller list for a year-and-a-half, won the book of the year award in australia. it was on a short list for the national biography award ended won christopher award in the united states. it has been printed over 30 times and published in 20 countries. who would like to get started? >> i think it showed ice water in china. i don't know if there's anything before mao came to power but certainly after he came to power, those people -- they were constantly starting. that is the thing, the life there.
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and of course never complained that the learned to accept whatever happened. even if he was free, never complained. and also within days of this or even an ace and their blood came off, they never said i love you. but there was happiness in that family among the daughters, the parents, morning, noon and night, they were unhappy family and at this time, said i love you to his mother, for which he was famous and -- that is what i
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got to do, and in communist china they made a little light of themselves. >> i recommended the book and found it fascinating because i learned about a culture of which i knew very little, particularly the abject poverty that these people live in. i will never look at the yam the same way again. they lived months on triage yam. that -- he actually missed when he left china and came here, he missed the dried yams. i thought it was appalling that he was separated from his family so long even though his parents were allowed to come to this country once he defected, he was not allowed to go back for a year to see his family or his friends. all that love with the family that you mentioned and the love
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that he had for his friends that he trained with was still there. they picked up kind of just where they left off and the fact that they were so accepting of his australian died and she was so accepting of his family i thought was wonderful. >> i enjoyed because of the biography, for the first time somebody was explaining their own experience of pre communist china and how it became communist. how the family bonds stayed the same. as i grew up, are always thought that was all torn apart in those countries when communism came but his family, they really bonded, his parents passed away. it was really something to hear
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it in the first person. that was a great experience. >> didn't you just love is reaction to the united states? nothing like he had been told that it was. he expected gray buildings and people in poverty and he kept looking for that as they were driving on the freeway to houston and was nothing like he expected and that is when he finally realized the government had lied to him his whole life. >> is brothers or something? >> the southern sun is. >> in one shot, i don't remember. >> i think that was during the time of mao or around the time of the cultural revolution, the gang of 4 or and so forth that they already have all of this.
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>> i don't think that was something. they needed the work. as a child he went for the trading, it was very severe. he did complain but he never whined about it. he went with it and his focus was he lied to his family and the country which was so strong. i don't know if i could have dealt with that severity of training especially -- not like mom, i want to be a belly dancer. >> encourage character. something like encourage, being brought up with rules. probably unspoken rules that they had character.
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they gave a speech other and were all successful. >> definitely a tribute to his family. >> one of the things i noticed, like reading from the journal every day, wasn't somebody that sat down -- i guess he wrote it every day and he got that personal feeling -- that was a bit unusual. just a teenager's journals that i read, the young man's journal says that. >> i think you are right. and remembered so much.
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so many -- he was official or -- that one was a boy to put it that way. almost overlooked until his teacher said what about this one and that teacher changed his entire life, changed his family's life, changed a lot of people. was the lack of the draw. when you meet that one mentor, that one teacher that changes their life forever. >> did anyone ever seen him dance? >> no. >> in the houston company, anyone ever see him? i never saw him, actual person. >> if you go on youtube and find his name you can find performances he had. he is wonderful. >> one thing i would like to talk about for a minute is when
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he defected, that portion, did anybody have any comment about that with his marriage to what is her name, elizabeth? did you think that was a marriage of true love for was he able to stay in america? >> a little bit of both. when she asks him did you really love me, he hesitated, he hesitated and then said i love you. and gave her the answer. >> that marriage lasted -- >> didn't last very long. >> a couple years. his first marriage. >> i thought she should great bravery in staying with him after the chinese consulate and forced to stay there until mrs. bush, barbara bush was instrumental in helping get out
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of the chinese conflict because they were ready to ship him straight back to china. because the media got ahold of that. >> it was so bad for china they had -- and i think the fact that vice president of this country and his wife, who was on the board, went to bat for him as well. once somebody defects you really can't expect that country to let him back in. >> i know that. >> he was lucky he was able to go back. it was so hard on him not to have that close contact with his family although he hadn't had a lot of close contact because he only went home once a year. >> defect in to the embassy,
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that was really disturbing and the issue of propaganda, give people the wrong idea of what other countries are like. how worse can start. his life was in danger. it was a very stressful part of the story. the only thing that helped me is how did he survive when he was still alive? a happy ending. >> is a tribute to the man and his book and his life and his determination to achieve all that he did. he is wonderful experience. >> why wouldn't you like it? >> i figured that out.
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i think it is because i read a lot of books about the asian experience, defecting, and all of that, and a round -- i agree with what everyone says, heartwarming struggle and telling and wasn't alone. >> it is fatalistic. >> the other books are added. i don't try but -- >> the other comment. wrap up our discussion.
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great discussion today, folks. thanks for coming and we will see a next time. >> now here grace robbins about her book "cinderella and the carpetbagger: my life as the wife of the 'world's best-selling author,' harold robbins" in palm springs, calif.. >> i was on my way to school ♪ early monday morning ♪ i was on my way to school ♪ early monday morning ♪ when i broke my mother's rule ♪ ♪ >> it will be a lot of fun. and we dreamed about living and
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answer questions. to answer questions so as soon as we have a lady to speak to you. thank you for coming. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> this was in the 60s. actually i was a very hard working girl because i was a casting director for television commercials for grey advertising in new york and when i say i had to work, i was working very
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handsome, refused to work. needless to say that was not a very happy marriage and when they i was asked to be on a yacht, 79 street, in new york alone, i wanted to be alone, and i picked up a big heavy book and it was a carpetbagger. i never knew anything about it. and never spoke about it. i started to read the carpetbaggers. i couldn't put it down.
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and that sunday, looked for the author, i want to meet this man. i have got to meet this man who wrote this book and so the next morning i am back in my office and get a phone call from one of the agents to set i will take you to lunch. you never asked me for lunch. it is not my lunch. it is harold robbins's lunch. i am sorry. i am better now. do you know, that was the beginning of my cinderella life. without making a move, hello.
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fortunately he was unhappily married, so we would meet for lunch or cocktails' and he would go to connecticut on the train, i would walk with him to the station and i would go to my little apartment on 70 second street in central park west and that is what we did for a year until one day he said why don't you come to hollywood. i am not new yorker. i have never been to los angeles so he wants me there and will have a great time there. that was his producer, he made movies. so we go karma as i to do you the story i am reliving it. we go to the beverly hills hotel
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and he has of bungalow. hello? and the waters champagne and caviar. as soon as we get into the bungalow, they had none of that. and so he says why don't we extend this time together and go to hawaii. and we did. it is very rustic, it was called the plantation and there were cottages and we were in the missionary cottage. i don't know why. i don't have to tell you why. so this was the beginning of my
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cinderella story. we went to new york. i was supposed to go back to my castle, nonworking artist's business and he is supposed to go again and we don't. he said where are you going? i said i guess i am going home. he said no, come on. we are going to live the rest of our lives together and that is what we did. i had the most wonderful experience because of harold robbins and i want you to know something. if you think that everything that is wonderful is going to stay like that, it doesn't. unfortunately. but i never thought that. i thought this is going to be forever. we had thes everywhere, we have
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yachts, you name it, we had it. i thought this is going to be like it is now, it can't possibly change, it is too good but too good is too good. too good to last. one day, after i had this wonderful daughter, i gave birth to adriana. we were three of the happiest people in the world until one day herald said we should have an open marriage. and i didn't even know what that
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meant. when i go off to work, couldn't right at home. too many distractions. we had homes together. when you are in l a i will be in the south of france, i could be in acapulco and if you are in acapulco i could be in new york and i said i know you want to work away from home, don't understand what you were asking. for and a way for six weeks some time and maybe even longer. and i understood. if there is anything i would want anyone who reads my book, an open marriages do not work.
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so where does that leave you? i don't know. >> your having fun. were you allowed to do what he was doing? >> exactly. he said you can do the same. but i didn't care to really. then i realized that he was breaking all the rules. hello? he was going with this engine leak, french actress, and he picked up this little waste at the beach, lesley, and she practically moved in with us and did you get up to that part? and so i thought i don't know.
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that. destiny had a way of changing things entirely. you never know what is out there for us. and he passed out and fell and broke his hips, and i can see lifestyle lead to a screeching halt, no more, he came, stayed at home, he was in a wheelchair, he stopped running away from home, it was all changed, i realized he needed a lot of
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help. he needed 23 pull those a day and at certain times of the day and my assistant. says she helped me. and helped herself. that is what we did for quite some time until it was time to sort of -- the word is ended. i don't like that word but things don't continue that way. i hope when you read my book you will see it all did end, it was right for all of us, dan and me
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and adriana, i was able to really get this book out, it took 20 years and i thank gilbert, absolutely the best one could have. why don't you get that book out of the closet and started reading nancy if you want it published and that is how it happened. [applause] >> i thank all of you, we have been talking about this. and you still know, i have been talking about this book. this is the best time of all, thank you for being here, i
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appreciate it. >> with the help of local partner time warner cable we sat down with deanne stillman to talk about her book reckoning: a town sheriff, a mojave hermit, and the biggest manhunt in modern california history" detailing the men hunted donald kueck who killed a california deputy sheriff in 2003. >> on august 2nd, deputy sheriff and a squatter in that area, one of the two big cities in that part of l.a. county and he had evicted this squatter who had been following in the desert and leaving a trail of garbage everywhere and annoying various
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neighbors and one of the presidents cause deputy sorensen to make sure this water was gone so the squatter was living on the outskirts of donald cloak's property. nobody knows exactly why sorensen turned down the driveway on august 2nd at high noon, 2003, but it seems as if he was following up on a complaint about this water. >> donald cook was a dedicated hermit and in the twenty-first century hard to imagine who was a hermit. we had a hermit kingdom outside los angeles, many of them are living on the other side of los angeles robert in the antelope valley which is the mojave half of angelo county, he dropped out of civilization some time in the
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1970s and left his family and wasn't cut out for conventional life and like a lot of people, found a new home in the desert, from the studios and the beach. interestingly enough, stevens sorensen didn't like city life and was originally a surfer and lifeguard from the south bay of los angeles and ultimately headed into the desert. he loved our wide-open spaces and also was not cut out for a conventional life and he volunteered for the job of president deputy, that is not a job most cops want to have. you are on a very remote beach. it might take an hour for somebody to arrive. look what happened when he meant
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a turn down donald kueck's drive way. strangely enough, seven years prior to that approach to donald kueck's trailer, he and donald kueck had another encounter at a remote desert highway in the end of a valley that almost led to violence. sorenson had pull the donald kueck over for reckless driving on a very remote patch of pavement and conversation quickly escalated into an argument and the two almost came to blows until point arrived at that time and donald kueck after that filed a number of complaints against sorensen. he tried to get him fired and he sent letters from everyone, from
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the head of the l.a. sheriff's department to the fbi. it was a very serious attempt to try to get steven sorensen fired and he wasn't able to but in my book i explore this idea of the conclusion of their dance that happened on august 2nd, 2003, where deputy sorensen turns down the driveway and who does he come up against the donald kueck, the guy who tried to get him fired. on this august day in 2003, deputy sorenson make a fateful turn down donald kueck's driveway and heads passed the no trespassing sign which is riddled with bullets and heading down, down, down this drive way which is strewn with oil drums. he passes congress donald kueck had been working on ended as a hermit's junkyard. one of the things he drives past
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is donald kueck's own grave which the judge for himself a year prior to sorenson making this turn. donald kueck had been melting in the desert and ever since his son failed, ultimately died of a drug overdose in a warehouse in downtown los angeles, donald kueck had gone into a tailspin. donald kueck probably heard him approaching, sound travels far distances in the desert and when someone is driving down your driveway, if a cop is approaching your driveway in an suv you would totally. and donald kueck was paranoid about law-enforcement and here comes the local cop and he grabs his automatic rifle and as sorensen is making an approach to donald kueck's door there's the rattlesnake in a bucket at
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the front door, he love wild animals and had a thing for snakes and the snake was kind of like is the official greeter. in the spirit of don't tread on me, and sorensen kept walking and as soon as he began to make an approach on donald kueck's front door donald kueck broke out, raked him with a number of shells. donald kueck began ransacking sorensen's suv and some neighbors who lived adjacent to donald kueck, these were the people who called who had made the call to donald kueck about this offending squatters living in the neighborhood. they heard the gunshots and climbed the been a tower on their property and saw donald kueck running around sorensen's suv and ransacking and taking
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out supplies and they saw him drive off and that was his escape and they phoned in this report of gunshots to local police headquarters and within minutes this massive manhunt begins building and sirens flood across the mojave desert and that was my first knowledge of this incident, rapidly escalating man hunched. choppers are flying in from downtown los angeles. vigilantes' are mobilizing, squad cars are pouring in from points east, north, south. when a cop is killed it is a very big deal. many agencies involved. but an end of day one, the fbi was involved, the dea was involved, tracking for men with their force base was involved,
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turning into the biggest manhunt in modern california history and by the end of seven days donald kueck was on the run there were thousands of cops looking for him. here was one man who knew the desert so well he was able to outfox this massive modern posse which in the end deploy it a tank from the gulf war called the bear. one of the amazing things that happened during this man hunched, because donald kueck knew the desert so well and was able to elude this posse for such a long time, the swat team, los angeles county swat team needed to in camp on his territory in the desert and they were not accustomed to desert tracking. in the past had mainly been servants situations involving street fights and so on so now they find themselves trying to
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to hunt down. another thing to happen when donald kueck was on the run is the cellphone, sometime prior to this shootout with deputy sorensen, he took it with him when he was in flight and he has been phoning his daughter who lives in riverside, a city a couple hours east of where this incident happened and on the first day he was calling and saying i don't think i will be able to come and visit you on monday. he was a little shaken up and she didn't know why and she figured ok and he was calling on day 2 and 3 as the manhunt was escalating and finally she realized he was not just a suspect in the killing but had killed him. the fbi tracking planes had
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picked up signals in an operation from donald kueck as he was calling and he knew he was in a particular area and by the last day as he was calling his daughter really in a panic, the man hunt begins to close in. donald kueck is heading to a complex somewhere in the mojave a few miles from where he lived and donald kueck is repeatedly calling his daughter by then as he sees this man and begin to close in, more and more shoppers are on his trail, there is a squeeze play under way and he knows there is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. homicide detective mark willis heads out to donald kueck's daughter's apartment in riverside to intercept these calls because he
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