>> and then we discussed her problems, and i thought to myself i would like to write a book about this because i feel like i look -- i must be catching something. i look one way on television and i am another way in real life. and that is i'm destroying myself i look a certain way and pretending on television it looks so easy.

i don't think that's fair because i wasn't getting my place on television honestly. diane thought it was a good thing to work through and i said you know what? why don't you bring something to the table? i don't you work with me on this book but the deal is you have to lose 75 pounds in the process. and i will pay you to get there, because it will cost you a lot to to figure out how to do this. the woman today has lost 75 pounds literally today, to this moment. she's going to go for 100 more. she looks beautiful. she's more healthy -- >> twenty-five more. you said 100 more. >> she would be gone. sorry. >> that wouldn't have worked. spent the funny thing is i thought i was doing her such a favor. i realized -- >> [inaudible]

>> can i have one of those doughnuts? doughnuts? i notice i did maybe i was in a worse place than she was. and so the book ended up with a good outcome for both of us. >> it is amazing actually how much trying to change since starting to write this book because she used to be that person who would go out and have lunch with. you would all go out and have lunch and mika would have like a salad. she would talk about for a week. i ate like a pig. she would have a little bite. she would have although byte, and she wouldn't suffer. everybody around her would suffer because we would hear about that cake, a teeny bite of cake that she had and i would just be, will you please shut the heck up about that cake? it was like that much. now, and this is the truth, since she's changed and she's gotten closer to your set point, everyone has a set point, her birthday was made a second. we have a lot of birthdays.

she eats normally and the rest of us don't pay for it, and most importantly, and you've talked about this, your daughters. most importantly your daughters now, you will have a slice of pizza with them every once and a while. instead of kale chips, but you let them see you beat like a normal human being. >> each person comes to the problem. i had a problematic relationship with food in a different way. but, you know, i think from my it was to relax a little bit, not weigh myself all the time. >> is running one of the biggest hits in the world and was in the middle of the crisis, he's thinking about like what is going to be eating that night. i'm kind of concerned about that. >> i understand completely. you wouldn't believe that passing conversations we've had come and everything the only about food. i'm just saying.

[laughter] >> i knew she wasn't listening to me. she sits there and rolls her eyes. >> it's fascinating. it's great. >> so tell us the, diane helped with the book. she loses 75 pounds. what did you learn about yourself that you want to teach your daughters speaks well, it's incredible. i think most mothers have tough relationships with her daughters and are challenged by the. one of the things that's the biggest mister is what do we say and not saving about what to eat and what not to eat and the impact of whatever it is they are eating. we do a whole chapter on how to talk to kids about this, especially in this society where we have such a growing number of eating disorders among young women especially. so i was especially interested in that. my daughters and i've had an open dialogue about this. i feel like they should know my story, and that they should have

the opportunity to make their own decision but i need, kids like it when you're just honest. i need to come clean about exactly the problems i've had in the past. for most women don't when you read this book i think the biggest take away is that you find your set point, whether it be an obese woman trying to work her way back toward health, or a woman who struggles with trying to keep weight on for whatever reason, a lot of it upstairs, you have to discover what your set point is. it is not what you think it is. it is not what you want it to be after looking at magazines and television shows and being told by network vice president to go losing 10 pounds. it is not that. it is the weight that you have and can retain, can keep without working too hard on. >> let's talk about your set point is different than would be if you weren't on tv. let's be honest. there's only times that you say

if i were not on tv i would weigh 140 pounds. you know, you talk about, you have two, even at 133, you still have to battle every day because you have to be on tv every day. but you talk about in high school you would go to donald, you'd have to be banks, you had unfortunately for you, i would love to have it, you had a 7-11 across the street from you and you said you'd go over the twice a day. seriously they would've run out of slurpees if i had a 7-11 across the street. but you ate really bad nonstop. it cost again can you look, especially pictures of your first two years in college, and you say you look like a mess and you did look like you had an eating disorder. you got into tv so you had to lose weight. but why did you, what is in you

that makes you want to have the two big macs? you said yesterday it was the one thing that let you back. talk about the emotional side a feeding. >> i want that baby. >> hold on to bring the baby up here. she loves the baby. bring the baby out. come on out. listen to here's the thing. media loves baby so much. no, and the. good news and bad news. the good news is make a loves babies and shall be wonderful to your child to the bad news is that she's not going to give it back. we have like a nursery now at morning show. >> oh, my gosh. bring her on out here. please, don't fall. come here, are you crying? >> hand over your baby last night spend look at the baby spend i made her cry. come here, sweetie. i love my mommy.

[laughter] how sweet. what's her name? okay, so look at angela. angela, i'm going to use you as a shameless prop. [laughter] so i didn't worry about such things are how old is angela? [inaudible] six months. >> i love that age. she's perfect. >> you love every age. she's a baby. as you know i have three boys. i've got one girl. >> yes. >> i never would've thought about things like this until the pressures that are on women from intel i had a girl. and do you know what was relating for me? she respects me. she's listening to me. i found my new cohost. [laughter] she actually makes eye contact with me when i talked. [laughter] but i would see she would take

all her barbies to the baath. and i would see them to take off her clothes, because it's going to take a bath you take your clothes off. and i look at this, no, it's just freakish. as far as perfect body, slender legs, perfect shape, perfect curves under and -- and i sat there thinking this is what my daughter is thinking in her head, is the idealized -- >> absolutely. we've heard that story, all the messages that young girls get. i got a lot, i've got to county, when i was really skinny, people told me i looked good. >> excuse me. >> you are beautiful and you're just -- >> you are such a sweet baby. talk about that, mika, because

when you're in your most pain when you're hungry, when you lightheaded, everybody says to you what? >> the feedback was amazing. starting to show i really cannot mean and people like your mom, your work, kids, you are amazing. how do you -- people through close at me. you wouldn't believe the designers that would throw close at me because i look like a model and then. >> and you started writing this book. use of the happiest event on tv was the summer at the conventions when you wake 135 and you would wear a sweater. you said the first time you've been on tv or you got to wear jeans, a sweater, you would 135. you said it was the most comparable you ever been. what happens when you weigh 135 versus 118? what i'm saying is when you are at a weight that is unhealthy you get rewarded. when you're at a healthy weight,

135, a really healthy weight, suddenly t they stop throwing clothes at you. it's weird. >> it's very, very confusing. i'm at the stage where i am really done with it. and writing this book was away, and i think we should open up to discussion after this, but a wave coming clean and putting that behind me. because i'm really tired of trying to be -- i don't think it's healthy. i don't think it's honest, and i think the science behind that you were talking about the junk food that i started eating when i started young, very impulsive about it actually feeds into the process of either developing eating disorders in young women, or leading to problems like what my friend diane has. and that is the edict of quality of salt, sugar and fat. i think it's played into a lot of the problems we confronted. >> also being obsessed with this unrealistic body image that which have you taken and and me

in and i intend going down in horrifying your husband jim. you've got to tell the about the nutella. >> in writing this book i fell off the wagon of it. spent they're all eating doughnuts in the back spent i took ambien one night and i think that truth serum. i walked downstairs begin of those large, large jugs of nutella? i started eating it with a spoon and then my hands. it was really funny but it's not. >> so you will cut the next morning -- >> covered in nutella. >> and you didn't remove what you did the night before? >> i barely remembered it. what the heck was in the nutella? so it was a little bit embarrassing, but it actually is more common than you think. because the fats and sugars that are processed in these foods do as we show in the book through

research that we did through yale and the university of michigan, they have like brain scans and showed the pleasure centers in your brain when you a decent in large quantities would light up the same with a brain would light up to cocaine. they are science that is coming out that does point to the fact that some of these ingredients are addicted. and we do need to change our food environment so that these foods are less unhealthy. so we don't create the problems we are dealing with right now. >> all right, kiss the sweet baby on the for and let her mother have it. she did stop crying. she is a gamma. [applause] don't drop or. >> look at her. she's perfect. [laughter] [applause] >> she's like a football. look at her legs. [laughter] he is adorable. thank you so much. thank you for sharing.

[applause] >> thank you so much. >> watch your step. >> so what we're going to do now is opened up th to questions tht you don't have to ask about food. i'll be glad to talk about alabama football. we could talk about how great my party is at times. we could talk about chris christie. >> who is in the book. >> so let's open it up to questions. ask anything you want. spent talk all of it about the line between government dictates about what we eat or drink and diets come and the personal responsibility of free choice and free will. >> how many like what mayor bloomberg tried to do? thank you. this is what i'm talking about. don't you think it's fantastic, joe?

[laughter] >> how many republicans in the room? how many republicans? >> how many democrats. [cheers and applause] >> good lord. >> look, after don't want to live in pashtun i talk about this in the book. mayor bloomberg comes out but somebody give me a better idea. because right now environment is laced with poisons. sugar is being put -- why would you serve soda for your kids at this point? it's like would sugar. worse than a candy bar and they're drinking it now every day. fast food, a lot of people really busy getting the message it's a good option. have a three, four times a week. our population is dealing with an academic -- epidemic of obesity. we think these people are disciplined and just really can't figure it out themselves. i don't think so. >> first of all, fast food is not a good option.

it's a great option. [laughter] >> no, it's not. >> the worst part of living in connecticut and new york is a don't have the trifecta in the deep south we have a dried fruit fofor everything. have you guys ever had a waterbird are? unbelievable. chick-fil-a, okay? crystals is great. you call them white castle. it doesn't matter. jesus invented them and they are great. [laughter] i love that stuff spent was the burger place we went to that was like -- >> is like a burger joint. it's in the back of -- [inaudible] >> no non-opec it's in new york. it's in new york. are you talking about -- in the back of the park. the next time you go to new york -- >> i want the baby back. >> i'm losing control of the crowd because we're talking burgers. you've got to stay with me here because there's a need to store your that make it doesn't even

remember. >> what? >> so the hotel on 56 between six and seven, you go to the back and there's a place, a burger joint. it's only like the natives know about it. it is great, great stuff. when the show started i took me to and chris, who is the vp, to the burger joint. we take the back and i am sort of a take charge kind of guy, three burgers, three shakespeare and mika is staring at the hamburg. , what, you're not hungry? she said yes, i can remember the last time i had a hamburger. she calculated, it was like 10 years. she lost an entire decade.

[laughter] this is like rip van winkle, seriously, of burgers. >> i had to stop at one point in my life because -- >> here's my deal. i know that you're all sitting there thinking persona republicans out there, what did joseph deal? and just on the other side of it because it sounds like you might be one of the only republicans he goes you used the words personal fund. so i did because i love. >> wow. there's it's only things i could say right now. >> when i was growing up we get sugar, we had fried chicken. my grandmother thought we had sugar shock, put you in a diabetic coma if you had two glasses. but, you know, what we did and like what you did and what 90% of you guys did that are under 40 or so, you go out with your friends, you go out and play all day, captain crunch you had for

breakfast and the big mac that you had for lunch and a snickers bar the chat at 3:00 and the fried chicken you have had five or six, you burned it all off. i was so skinny. people thought i was unhealthy because all i did was i ran. kids now, my boys, i got older boys come video games. go out and play ball. you know, it's a generational thing. here's the deal about personal responsibility. it sounds great and i believe that our personal responsibilities, but the two biggest drivers of our debt over the next 30 years, medicare and medicaid. and if you look at what drives costs for medicare and medicaid, it's obesity, it's diabetes. it's a lot of hard issues. circulation issues. so unfortunately, i think for

those of us who are small government conservatives, i think the government every single to is having a more compelling reason to get involved in this. because for me to it's a health issue. of course, it's a health issue for me, too. but i'm a big believer of personal responsibility. but bad health habits is going to bankrupt us all. it's costing us all trillions and trillions of dollars over the next generation. >> the food industry is trying to correct, and if they don't they will end up -- >> by the way, mcdonald's, they are good corporate neighbor's. they are i smoke is great. [laughter] with whipped cream. >> next question. >> yes, sir. >> high, joe. >> hate. spent mika, remember many? >> i do. >> i'm bearing gifts again.

i came with the package deal for joe and mika this time. >> all right. spent can't i bring it up the? >> sure. what is it? >> no snoopy this time. >> i didn't get a snoopy. >> thank you. look at this. >> oh, that's so nice. >> happy birthday. >> right. >> thank you very much. [applause] >> it's got my name on it. >> this is wonderful, thank you. >> thank you. spent a great picture of my dad. my dad passed away two years at -- >> actual i got that off, when your dad passed and i wanted to bring when -- you were in philly the last time so i had that like a couple years ago, i just got the flash drive and got the

teaching. >> well, thank you so much. that's nice. >> thank you. >> yes, sir. >> that is so great. i really appreciate that. so sweet. >> so, mika -- >> yes. >> how are you doing? so, i have ambien, and found myself needing three peanut butter and jelly sandwich is every night until i became type two diabetic as well. and subsequently it cost my employer at the time, i went from very low cost to a huge cost as it progressed. now it's under control, costing a lot less but the motivation for me, obviously, were my kids. i wanted to be a round -- >> did you gain a lot of weight? >> i gained probably 30 pounds, and was close to comorbidity,

et cetera. now i've got it under control, but everybody needs a different kind of motivation. >> exactly. >> everyone is an individual, so maybe you could talk about what motivates one person doesn't motivate another. and by the way, joe, you are looking great. >> i think you dropped a couple pounds there yourself. >> good lord. [laughter] >> that's all you can do? >> no. they told me i was doing to me push-ups as going to hurt my shoulder. >> we came out this on different from fleet different ends of the spectrum. again i was talking about a set weight, people do with a pc and try to lose weight, you've got

to find that right area where you can stay, and it's very hard. people are too thin have to figure out how to get to where they can maintain it without losing their mind. having said that, the addiction to certain foods and the addiction to certain ingredients and the science that is now proving that these foods actually cause you cannot have anyone here by the way -- one potato chip. that's a great example. >> one bag. >> me, too. there's a lot going on here that i think helps dispel some myths, and i think some stigmas in a very important way about people who struggle with their weight. but the book talks a lot of other people as well, experts, researchers, as well as other famous people and their struggles, or lack thereof your chris christie is a great example of someone who has no other choice, who tried everything.

and the surgery that he got, i actually advocate for people who are that of these because there are very few ways back to health when you become that size. and i'm proud of him for taking the leap, but to answer your question, everybody has a specific path. what this book does is give you a lot of very real, very raw information about the challenge and the science behind it. >> it's fascinating over two years -- let's get a question from the side while they're going there. over two years when mika started writing this book, she would talk about addiction as it was related to food. and she would get hammered by expert after another expert like another expert. over the past six months that has changed radically. there have been a lot of studies, a new book. [inaudible] >> salt, sugar and fat that really connects the dots. >> it doesn't look so crazy

anymore. >> that's what a lot of people yesterday on the today show you were asked whether women fighting this battle and whether the odds are stacked against them, you said clearly yes, because the foods are addictive. perfectly addictive and these companies, food companies, they spend millions and millions of dollars to trigger your brain. >> to make it so that you had to have supersized amounts and all you can do is think about more. when you smell that you practically taste it. i do think the food companies are correcting. i don't know if it will make it to the courts because there really changing their menus and they are seeing this will end up in the courts in one way, shape, or form. >> hi, there. i grew up during the john kennedy era when we had the president's council on physical fitness.

and went physical education every single day in my growing up years. we have lost that. our educational system is concentrated so much on so many other kinds of things, getting our kids to the point where they can take and pass exams, that we have lost the educational part of our physical bodies. we need to get that back t. our schools need to do a better job and put physical education back in. >> it's so critical, it is so critical what you're talking about and i alluded to it before. we would take the presidential fitness awards contest -- >> i got one. spent i always came up short on the push-ups. but that was, it's so critical for our kids, and our kids are going out running. they are not exercising, and you are so right.

meek and i worked at harlem village academy and awful lot. we go out there and for the first two or three years we were so impressed, we are still impressed, what they're doing in harlem at that school. it's a charter school. it's remarkable. but after about two years mika said, i know so many of the kids, that i'm tutoring and that joe and i are seeing and my kids are helping on the weekend are morbidly obese. and you're not doing anything for these kids, if you are teaching them how in harlem to be able to add as well as somebody that's in scarsdale. they call it the harlem-scarsdale gap, that fiscal and a lot of other schools have erased. and yet you're not doing what you're saying. you're not keeping them healthy. you're not having an exercise. you're not focusing on them being a complete person.

>> they are not exercising fiscal. are computers that have been mesmerized. talked about all the things stacked against our kids. we're going to have to make huge changes on every level but including the food we eat. the lunches that we serve them at school. i don't understand why every child is entitled to a proper education but not entitled to a proper meal. i don't understand it. [applause] >> you can choose the next. >> up until about a year ago i was perfectly healthy. i became disabled. i was able to do everything that i wanted, and i was very thin. i've always been in my entire life, and i was never in any kind of meds. i've never had any kind of insurance. i never had to worry about a cold or anything.

and now i'm on every kind of medication. i go to pt every week. i get a massage. i have every kind of pain doctor there is. and it just seems like i'm getting progressively worse and worse. and it seemed like it was -- how do i say it? it seemed like there were no answers, and my doctors never had any answers, and it all started because no one ever really had an answer. it all started because no one ever had any answers, and it all started because no one was ever really trained properly. and it started because i was at a hospital and had this one little paint and no one, pt wasn't trained properly and because she wasn't trained properly, i became this healthy person, and now i'm disabled. so my question is, where do we,

where is the responsibly with people, with the doctors, where people than a healthy, that are healthy and they have gone from healthy people that are now no longer healthy that go from -- >> let me try and answer. >> why don't you also store this back to what i income you talked about diane would go to the doctor and be treated for a need for -- i remember my dad died, god rest his soul, but my dad like eating a lot. what did the doctor say? she would always go, you have to lose 40 pounds. and he didn't and he physically broke down over time. it's kind of like this conversation, even doctors are afraid to have this conversation sometimes with their patients. >> and i think that's like the conversation diane and i had to get to look at the whole

situation and talk about the truth, and doctors often treat your need or treat your hip or trigger arm but they don't treat what caused it and sometimes in the case of the people who are struggling with obesity ubc that is causing the problem. we are becoming more and more aware but in terms of the doctors respond to build i think it's our responsibility to try to get to the root of the problem. but to look at the holistic route of the problem, and when someone is struggling with her weight, that has to be something to talk about immediately. >> let's go back over here. yes, ma'am. right here. >> hi. we are huge fans of the show. >> thank you. i'm glad there's somebody who loves us both. i was walking in here, i was walking in your with annika, and by the way, this happens all the time, and so he yells out, we love you begun to turn a look and they -- no, not you. we love naked.

thanks for being close the. brotherly love. go ahead. >> i wonder if you talk about just going for your two pregnancies and how you felt, because i think that's a time in your life where your body changes so much and you feel guilty how you feel. >> young spent i've got to say, i've got four kids and -- [laughter] >> you know, i jogged through my pregnancy. i had to say overall having children made me die back from some might extreme behavior and compulsions and addictions with the problems. to be honest i used to be proud that i put my jeans on after i had my first child, by ashley think i was too obsessed with it. at the should of given myself a break. previous after having my first child it was so important to me,

and to be honest -- >> that's not right by the way. >> it's not and i used to say, it's, looking back to the series of in this book i spent a lot of my life worrying about being fit and being thin, thinking about my next meal, like ed was talking the. he read a funny thing but i think it's a big waste of time, a time that could've been enjoying my life and enjoying my babies, enjoying my job instead of this obsessing over something that could happen but doesn't have to happen right now and can happen in a more healthy way. i'm not sure it was the best thing. >> that is though a real rite of passage for women. it's a life changer, especially with your bodies to talk about you think you're too obsessive, you didn't stop and enjoy your

babies without -- talk about a friend or two who have done it the right way. >> well, i talked to suzy in the book. does anybody here watch -- she didn't drop any as bombs when we talked, and i tried, but she's usually comfortable with her so. gayle king announces seed is, another person who has great stories about overheating but she's okay with yourself and precise. a lot of women i spoke to -- >> kathleen turner was amazing. >> kathleen turner, fabulous. she offers, you guys know were movies and the place that she's done, and certainly some of the scenes that she's done and the way she looks. she just gave up and was like sousa, the want to live under the tyranny anymore? and i asked myself, no, i really do. she said i don't. >> she would envy all these

people, kathleen turner, is like a confession. you want to live under the tyranny anymore, mika? no, i don't. and mika was crying on the phone and kathleen i think was crying on the phone. >> i told her what i ate and what he didn't eat because of being on the air and having to fit in these guys. and she said you have a bad life last night and i thought, that is usually, i should be so proud of where i'm at. and honestly my friend, diane, she coming talking to me and working on the concept of the book, she said you really need to talk to someone. you really do. and are so skeptical at first but i did. >> you brought up to suzy. i thought this was, it was so amazing scene me to write this book and seeing her change her attitudes towards food and weight change. of all the women she spoke with, the one that usually was eye-opening pleasure was suzy is

not invite any stretch of imagination but mika was blown away. she each really healthy. and she's really countable with herself and her body image. that seems like that was a real game changer for you, talking to her and going, she's amazing your she's not skinny and she doesn't care. healthy and that's what i want to be spent i ended the interview thinking i'll have whatever she's having, whatever it is. >> you've got to bring up nor of because that's, nor efron, god bless nora. spent she loved food. >> she was a really good friend of ours, she loved food but the funniest interview was, was one for diane, who at this point still probably weighed 240 pounds, called nora -- >> we did a three way call. >> i think it was three weeks

before nora passed away. nobody knew. diane explained that she was overweight, she weighed 240 pounds, and was eating a lot. what did nora say to her? >> why? why? i don't understand? why don't you just stop? i don't get it. you just have to stop eating. why do you have the -- well, i'm struggling with that, diane. i'm 250 pounds. she's like, why? i don't understand. >> it is so nora. >> she talked about, you know, calories, like foods that are not worth eating to everyone has a different way of sort of finding a balance, finding that balance. and nora had hers and it was a beautiful one. >> it really was. where do you want to go? you pick.

>> we need to go to the less i. i know you would be countable going to the left. [applause] >> i am a huge fan. i drove here from scranton tonight -- >> how cool. >> i actually were as a nurse practitioner. my question is, so i work with kids and adolescents are already very overweight by the time they come in for treatments. my question, and i hope you can speak to this comment is we spend so much went on health care every year and so little of it goes to preventative medicine. i wonder if in your writing of the book, you spoke to people about that or did research on a specific topic? >> johnny deutsch actions have something really smart on our

show once spent wait, wait, wait. where was i? i didn't hear this. >> you are off. but he's had -- >> this is sort of thing when it happens, if i'm in europe you call me up in the middle of the night. this is great news stanky just said, can you imagine if we could solve obesity likes how many health problems we wouldn't have. because it is prevented. think about it. would want you to even exist 30 -- i don't know, 30 years ago, three decades ago, four decades. i don't think so. i don't remember obese children in my class. there was usually one child who was bullied. and now it's great, it's in many schools, it's a good chunk of the classroom. so preventative medicine is sort of a deep-seated question because for what you deal with, it's an extremely expensive have to think if we don't accomplish,

we don't solve, we're going to the default as a nation. were not going to be up to fight. were not going to children. our health care costs are going to explode. >> so it was a guy from pennsylvania an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, right? benjamin franklin. did i get that right? not bad for university of alabama guy. i don't even ask me about math. i'm terrible at math. but i don't have to be that good at math because every year we will have to count the number one roll tide. [laughter] i've got a son who has diabetes, and he's a type one diabetic, and you know, there's so many things that they won't, insurance won't pay for. education, a lot of treatment, preventative treatment. but if things get so bad that he's got the and the date of foot or leg, they will pay for

that. it's so shortsighted. i mean, it really is. this is a great example of the whole ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure. we could save so much money if we did what you're talking about and focus more on the up front cost, focus more on preventative. you talk about our health care problems, i talk about the entitlement crisis all the time that we've got a health care crisis. good philadelphia guy, zeke emanuel, by way of chicago zeke and i talk about it all the time. we've got a place like the cleveland clinic. they reward outcomes. they don't reward surgery. they reward great doctors and preventative is part of that. it doesn't even pay for cutting somebody up. they are paid for making people healthy, or keeping people healthy. it's critical. >> go to the right. >> go to the left. yes, ma'am.

>> are we still subsidizing the court to make a corn syrup? and why? >> good question. a lot of money. >> farm subsidies, seriously? pay farmers not to plant crops. it's unbelievable. i think they're still a tobacco subsidy. >> a tobacco subsidy been i'm very hungry. yes, ma'am. the left side. >> the government does control what we. >> thank you both for being here tonight. needy, i have a question for you. i'm a college athlete. i'm curious where you think exercise factors into this. i know i'm worried after my college grew in exercise becomes not just an outlet but where do you draw the line between the outlet and --

>> i've crossed it a few times in my life, and at certain points during my journey that a talk in the book eyed exercise literally to eat. or i exercise and donate, which are all just extreme behaviors that will make exercise just brutal on your body. so there is a fine line and there's obviously -- it's pretty easy to identify. it's amazing though what you won't admit to yourself, but i used to not feel good about myself and a i would run a ridiculous number of miles a day and felt exhausted. part of the deal that diane and i cut, she would lose this weight, i would gain some weight, and i would be okay with it. and a good day now is if i run a couple of miles, guess what? i still feel like i could run more but i stopped. that's my line. because i had limit issues with how much, it's called exercise

bulimia to be raw and honest. and i -- >> when we started the show she would run nine miles a day. that's just not healthy. come on. [laughter] and by the way, another -- nika said that there some day she would exercise and not eat. you did and asked me with a lot of days i would eat and i don't exercise. [laughter] >> everyday. >> everyday is a good day when that happens. >> when i was younger and the behavior was really extreme, i would go for days, it was kind of an ugly secret. so i love running. i love feeling fit, and i think you should continue running after college, but it shouldn't only. nothing should own you. i wrote a book called turn 12, and honestly you can't know your value until nothing own shoe. and you own it all. and really have a sense of balance and joy in everything that you do.

to the right. >> to the right, okay. let's go back. the person waving your hand like that. >> [inaudible] >> called on, we need a microphone. >> i watch you guys every modicum at a friend of mine brings a starbucks every morning and we sit there. >> i love it. >> doesn't matter. our dogs are named coco starbucks and mr. latta starbucks. spent i've had a few people in and the female dogs mika, but -- that's a true story and i'm glad you haven't done it. >> one of the things i think is happening in our society is how our environments are in the suburbs. i ago and a drive and drive and i drive. kids drive, get driven everywhere. and i don't think that we have towns where they're walking.

i remember as a child growing up in college in new jersey and you went, i could ride my bicycle anywhere. safety. we don't have it either but i think it's a big component for children. >> that make such a huge difference. that make such a huge difference. when we lived in the city, we are up in now but we lived -- we walked everywhere. we had julia redon this morning, julia redon and she talks about she went to -- are you all laughing? it's a long day. i wake up at 4 a.m. >> i don't remember five minutes ago spent i'm sleep deprived. >> i have to tune it out sometimes. >> good lord. i didn't even have my munchies this morning. what to expect? but julia wrote a book talking about eating, and talked about that when she went to europe,

she came back later that summer, she lost like 25 pounds. she wasn't on a diet. she just walked everywhere. we went, i finally, after promising a failed article on vacation for about 10 years, we went to italy last year, and i ate normally. i came back, i lost like five, six, seven pounds because i walked everywhere. you're exactly right, especially in the suburbs. it is so tough in the suburbs i grew up in one giant suburb and you really would, get in the car, drive to mcdonald's. drive-through starbucks. man, i miss that. you drive-through everywhere. drive-through heart surgery and to drive home last night nobody walks. i'm in connecticut now and absolutely love connecticut.

spent more and more towns are trying to make rails to trails into the ways of making people walk more. but it has become a part of our national conversation because it is unbelievable how disconnected we are physically from each other. and by the way, we did everything by computer now. one more spent which means we do about 12 more of these. we could do rapidfire. >> i can't choose. you choose. >> rapid-fire. right in the middle. stand up. both of you stood up say both have to ask questions. you first. shouted out. lightning round. >> [inaudible] >> that's me. i more of a socialist and mika takes the other side of it spent writing this book, that's where i met.

>> well, every -- wait, wait. with bloomberg, i think mike is a friend of ours. i think i think there's always a balance between how much the federal government, how much the state government, how much the local government steps in, and how much utah about the person responsible. i do give mayor bloomberg a lot of credit. he has pushed the envelope, and i think a lot of things he has done that people are outraged by common outraged by cigarette ban and writing a letter his article in "vanity fair" 10 years ago about. a lot of things seem pretty insightful and i think you'll see of the people following. where are we? we are in a state of confusion. yes, ma'am. >> [inaudible] [applause]

>> my question is -- [inaudible] [laughter] >> t-shirts are too tight. >> way too tight. >> doesn't wear socks. sometimes wears tube socks. >> you never know what somebody -- one of the last lines in "to kill a mockingbird," and tell you walk about and somebody shoot. i was walking impossible day, seven kids, such a catholic. such an irish catholic. [laughter] and he is the father of the year. he is grandfather of the year. >> you got a vasectomy and then he had another kid. [laughter] that's all you need to know. >> he did. he's on the phone with his kids, and other people's kids all day.

he tells a story, but he's a wonderful father. he's a father first, he really is. remarkable guy. but his seventh child, timmy, came after he got us ectomy. and any -- got a vasectomy. one day they're having sunday brunch and tim jumps up and points at mike's best friend who's on tv, tim russert and goes, daddy. [laughter] i'm just saying. [laughter] yes, ma'am. in the back. >> [inaudible] >> one of the causes of increasing their medical bills but you haven't mentioned that one of the causes of obesity is poverty. if someone has a dollar to buy food, they are not going to buy a pound of kiel. they will buy snickers bar, it

tastes better, it's more filling, it makes you feel better. >> l., i would buy a snickers bar before i ate gail. talk about food if you will because this is critical. food deserts in city spent i think a fundamental problem and this aside, that's us talk about, children getting educated but not getting fed equally. the food, it is so expensive to go to the grocery store and try to get a healthy meal. read this book. weed michael moss' book and try to walk to the grocery store and find something to do a few of the toxins and poisons and the ingredients we address in our books. you won't, unless you spent a lot of money. so it is going to be a national effort, and i do think that we're going to have to address how the next generation of generation -- show to all children, including should in poverty eat. because they will end up obese while others have more money and

have more education and understand this problem more fully, as we are with this going amount of science, they won't be. >> can i in with a political, but political statement? about somebody that -- okay, i just want to say, i'm sure, given the ground that this is, you guys didn't vote for him and i don't really care if you vote for him next time or not. i hope you do, but i hope you all will write a letter or an e-mail, or call pat toomey's office -- [applause] -- and think back i -- and think that guy, think that guy for having the guts to stand up to the survivalists caucus in the nra that is driving the nra off the cliff, that is driving the republican party off the cliff -- [applause] that is driving the conservative

movement off the cliff. when he becomes dangerous, when he becomes dangerous politically to actually make criminals have background checks before they get guns, something is wrong with my party, and something is wrong with this political system. please thank pat toomey for having the courage to do what's right, do what's right. [applause] ladies and gentlemen, mika brzezinski. [cheers and applause] >> thank you very much. >> thank you, guys. [inaudible conversations] >> booktv is on facebook. like us to interact with the

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