immigration through the united states, and their entry into the medical profession here, and the differences between eastern and western medicine. this is about an hour and 15. [applause] >> thank you very much, and before we get startedded, i wanted to tell everybody a quick story. as you know, you could only come to the society as a guest. we have a golden rule one time. and today, beepak is breaking his record, for the fourth time, and we make an exception for him each time for the amount of people come out and how great he is at the society, and we're delighted to learn of the incredible book coming out, and to see his other half or what

people say debuck the better half, but, anyway, we are dlighted to have them here, and tonight, they will impress us all with the incredible fascinating story, and we'll do a 45 minute conversation followed by about 15 minutes of audience questions, and for those people standing, there's ten seats in the first two rows so please feel free to come to the first two rows as there are seats in the first two rows because we don't want you to stand. tell us, what was it like to grow up in india, and how did that play into your future, but different careers? >> so growing up in india was an absolutely enchanting experience. we had the most loving parents. we had uncles and aunts, amazing

grandparents, and each one of them was an amazing story teller, so growing up, we participated in all these and she want -- ancient rituals, and uncle would arrive, aunts stay with us for many months, and our grandmother lived with us for many, many years, and hearing stories from them was absolutely intox kateing, such a vibrant experience that i can't ever forget it. >> what role did growing up in india play on your future career? >> it was many, many years later

that i realized this everyone life's here is a story, and there's a story standing on the streets 2500 years, and clearing the traffic, and they said, plain life to me, and from that point, it's the wheel of a chair yacht that's passing by at that moment, and the wheel has three divisions.

and everyone who comes to see us see us because they have a a story, and that was the tradition we had, and heard stories from their stories, and also from their experiences with the patients who were his best teachers, and we learned later, and that was the same for us as well. [inaudible conversations] >> there's three seats up front here for anybody standing, and more seats in the back there. you know, all the stories had a lesson, and what that instilled in us were the core values of growing up in india, the principles that we now hopefully passed on to our own kids and now to our grandchildren.

>> your father one. most famous doctors in india, what did he provide you for both of your future journeys? [laughter] >> well, i have a chapter in the book called "blind for a day," and i -- it's a true story, and we were studying in st. columbus high school, being taught by irish christian brothers, and i learned hindi with an irish accent. [laughter] after a cricket match one sunday at five or six o'clock, i fell asleep, and i take a short nap and wake up 45 minutes later, and i'm blind. i cannot see, and i nudge him, and i say, i can't see. i'm told he waved his hands in front of me, and going to poke my eye, and i didn't blink so he knew for sure i was blind, and

he started crying. he said, i have one brother, and he's gone blind. [laughter] we were staying with -- suddenly. >> suddenly. >> without warning, without fore warning. [laughter] we were staying with our father's younger brother and his wife, and he took us to the military hospital where i was examined by doctors and on the moll gists, and they had no inkling what was going on. we used the term "hysterically blindness," and i was a 12 #-year-old kid, a great athlete, good student, and there was no reason for me to fake it. they got a hold of my files 300 miles away in a military jeep on a trip, and this is -- this is the art of medicine. you only start with taking, say what happened in the last two months.

he's been fine, perfectly healthy. no, tell me everything. did he have any injuries? any new medicines? sure enough, i had a las -- laceration from a cricket, a week earlier and i received stitches. he probed further, any antibiotics, a at the tetanus s? yes, he got the antiby october ticks and shot. what kind of shot? this is 1961. anti-at theat the time nighs 0,d our father was a cardiologist, a specialist in heart disease, absolutely brilliant and knew everything in medicine said to the doctors there he's having a rare reaction to the serum, started intravein yows and give massive doses of clinical

steroids. they did that, and after four to six hours i saw gray, and then i saw beepak, an amazing experience, and that's when i decided to become a doctor like our father. i told this story to professors of on opt molg at the institute, and they absolutely bedazzled. they say, oh, mid god, up believable. 1961, such a rare reaction. >> here's another story, and this is when he was in england, my father, and so was my father, and we were seeing the uncles, and i was six, and so he was maybe close to four and there

was letters, but there was a telegram from england that he passed examines, and so my grandfather, his father took us both out that evening to see a movie, and i still remember the movie, and i don't know if you remember it, but i do, and then we went to a carnival and took us out to dinner, and then in the middle of the night to the wailing of women crying. my grandfather had died of a heart attack that evening, and so the next day they took him to the commission grounds, and he was cremated. we didn't go because we were very little, and the same uncle that he's talking about, you

know, he make interesting remarks, and he said what is a man, what is a human being? one day he's taking the children out to see a movie and a carnival, and the next day he comes back as a bunch of ashes, in a bowl of glass. i remember that comment, and, you know, for a 6-year-old to see someone and then they disappear completely, and he started losing his skin, his skin started peeling like a snake peels the skin, so he had sores everywhere, and they took him to see a lot of doctors, and nobody could make the diagnosis, and my father was informed in england, and took a while to get the information, and he made a diagnosis from england saying he's feeling vulnerable, and so

he is losing skin because he's feeling insecure about what happened. he actually -- he was going to stay there longer, but he didn't. he took a boat and two weeks later, a rerived in bombay, and then the skin came back. in hindsight, i'm thinking, you know, i wondered about this, was that my first clue to the mind-body connection? [laughter] long time ago. also, my obsession with the meaning of death. >> brilliant. you have this fascinating and hilarious story, bb gun story, and i was hoping you could share it with all of us, and also the connection of how that really helps start this lifelong bond between both of you. >> right. so those of you who are sitting in the front or if you made this

before realize and appreciate that he has a dimple in his chin. [laughter] i call it the curt douglas chin. [laughter] with great pride, i want to tell you that i'm responsible for it. [laughter] i was about nine years of age, and deepak was 11. i was a good shot with bow and arrow and catapults, and then we got the gift of the bb gun as his birthday present, and so i went outside to the front yard, there was a five foot pole, took a cap of shoe polish, put it up there, knocks it, put it back, and knocked it. he stands next to me and says, go ahead, shoot. what are you saying? i have a gun. he said you never miss. go ahead. i'm your younger brother. i'm telling you to shoot. i was there, i shot, it missed

the can, and it hit him in the chin. he says, you know what, we're going to go home, mom is there, and grandmother was there staying with us, and he says, i'm going to say that i tripped, there was a bees of barbed wire on the ground, and it nicked me. i said, that's a lie. he said, listen, mommy has been telling us the story of an ancient epic spiritual text, and in it was rama, the guard, the inclination of the guard and his younger brother, and he said i'm rama, and you have to listen to everything i say. [laughter] barbed wire. we go home, he's bleeding, she cleans him, what happened? he tripped, there's a piece of wire, and all band-aids, and that night father returned came home often at nine o'clock

seeing patients in the hospital, teaching, and we'd wait for dinner. he said, what happened? i said he tripped on a barbed wire, and two days later, there's a lump here, and my grandmother admonishes our father, says you're a doctor, and people come from all over india to see you, and you have not made the diagnosis in your own son. there's probably a piece of rust stuck in there. go get him an x-ray, and it's summer holiday so off he goes in the morning for x-ray, and i'm pacing the veer ran da. [laughter] every two minutes i go in, mom, did they call from the hospital? she said you are worried about this. is something drsh just as she said that, the phone rang, and my father was on the phone, and he said, guess what we found? there was a bb lodged in there. the surgeon will extract it. that's why he has a dimple in

the chin. [laughter] ..

>> when i rise here in new york negative jfk i had nothing and in those days know sulfone so we had to put money somebody told me i could make a collect call so

i made a collect call to new jersey in reverse so desperate that they sent a helicopter they were so desperate they had a shortage of my first experience was to ride over manhattan in a helicopter looking at the skyline and being wonder struck. and i want to go to disneyland. [laughter] but shortly thereafter we arrived i was told by the nurse in the emergency room to be my first rotation that i should take some rest to be jet lag so i went to the door of a 20 minutes later she said it is she said we

have an expiration but i did not know if that meant i said i would be there if she should read to the room where there was a dead person lots of machines and new people and when you see only people with new machines violence at the patient and they looked at her and i made my first diagnosis. he is dead. [laughter] now i knew what the word meant. [laughter] but why you need a doctor? and she looked at me and she said pronoun's him. this is a but not -- bizarre statement for me. as though medical beatty's so i a will tell you that you are pronounced.

[laughter] and just like our profession aside from the obvious to check the people sam listened to the heart so we listened -- learned in india that is similar to british english the word for the flashlight is a torture that i asked the nurse can i have a torch? [laughter] now she was looking at me very strange way and another nurse outside looked at the other one a torch? so she sizes me up and down and says maybe he wants to do a commission. [laughter] talk about culture shock. [laughter] but six hours later i was at home. >> what was your first experience i write my wife

was first. but i was also first, first on the waiting list. [laughter] but think about it. from all of india but we heard stories of word from

this professor from the gastroenterologist and he is about to give the talk and there is the medical student from wreckers sitting in the front row in his speech are in the air but that would be sacrilegious culture shock the student with his shoes at in the air to the professor? we say yes, sir,, no sir, good morning. >>. >> in the medical student

raises his hand and he asks a question and the students got this look on his face and he said i don't buy back. i said what an amazing country. you can disagree with the professor. we could never even conceive to do something like that. said that to me was the first episode of culture shock. and we were told when you leave the hospital called the hospital operator in to tell them you're leaving the hospital and you are signed out for on call. the second day of the internships one of the of the doctors also from india said can i have a dime? sure. he goes to the pay phone and he is calling the new jersey

bell operator. he said i am leaving the hospital then he hung up. [laughter] >> deepak, how did you basically help change western medicine to an equally important but different way to address the same issues, the most important and single-handedly create the mind by the medicine? you are one of the greatest contributors to come to the states in the '70s, you go in different directions and it you did not stop with your persistence and he basically changed the belief of what medicine was viewed in the state's. how? >> several factors in hindsight. i specialize in

gastroenterology and endocrinology which is the study of heart -- hormones then for a short while i was a rotating at of icehouse who was the president at the time and under zero endocrinologist. and we had so many mentors but he was absolutely brilliant and was identifying hormones we didn't know too much about at that time. hayek like hypothalamus and the thyroid, etc.. i had a colleague at that time and later went to become the chief of brain chemistry and she's

identified peptide t but her boss won the nobel prize for identifying neurochemical spur growth one day candace said you know, these things we're looking at? the doctor rosalyn was a physician and also help to discover the technique. doing her fellows and residents to keep measuring the chemicals and one day she said these are the molecule's. i will refer you to the book but it was a huge book and nobody had use that term molecules' in motion so that is a little bit of insight that whatever happens in the

mind comes through the brain. you cannot have the event without a brain representation. how could you? the great representation is in the form of the electrochemical yvette and then there is nothing that happens in the brain that is now registered in the body. what we found is that these neuropeptides' the receptors move down through the stomach but now sanjiv will tell you to see the chemistry with that information but then to get

the same treatment to have the same illness and the prognosis is that people on this side and this side and you can accurately make a diagnosis but then the average ages 62. but to say your income is $100,000 because you come from and had average i was thinking to myself, why the patients respond unpredictably even though we can sadistically get some

idea but for the individual you can't. you cannot predict in the vacuum but no individually binge in the universe from several months leaders of this is scientifically going on. >> i tried to fit them in a book i read an ad in in your times by vanity press but does have recreated the mind by the connection and nobody had ever use that expression.

but the next thing i get a call from an agent and she said that may get you one. but then they get a call from jackie analysis of all the people, but what i found but for the movement. >>. >> that is a great question i have to reflect a but it is the core values not

instilled enough by parents and grandparents. we were told we need to be daring or worry about failure. that every diversity is success one of my favorite quotes but not to do darr is to lose one's self. it is pitiful. with their gutsy and courageous with the mind by a connection you have a thriving bench joseph is

either one. photography. [laughter] follow your place but also those seven streams of consciousness and the back cover if you are more interested in medical issues call this number. and so for that life changing you bet i said good trio. [laughter] otherwise it was a constant. >> i notice but then i sent

out three concerns. of richmond is the chief of venison but then the medical student editors want them to become no. [laughter] and i didn't want to be just apply every issue and they're also up with dusk gosh most people drink less with water. it comes back with a king program so i said that is

good but it but if you lose you will not feel that bad. [laughter] and i said what about free and people at harvard medical? you would still be over here from a silent level. >> i learned medication was the most profitable thing i had done even but to give some advice at the end of the year i talked about medication. the best thing i conclude. >> as an aside i should say is not really clear what happened and the story said

is true but also at a certain point* i was a in a practice with other physicians gastroenterologist and physiologist and they were embarrassed by being my colleague. i also realized that at that time the assistant professor that the requirement but i don't want to embellish. slow to make another friend of mine but something was going on and i was very restless. >> just to go back to that used to be called alternative medicine as if

it western medicine? >>. >> even at a target medical school we have complementary and integrated medicine we give a talk every year if that i direct with a colleague of mine and he said the diabetes center and 12 years ago the chairman of madison from deaconess medical center where i have my clinical appointments to see if he talked about healing and medicine? but that a slate and to some cement cap promise us weekend of family but also

on this side we are very proud of my brother and also my a when will mind by davis and be on equal standing? and most of the people here are strongly attracted to mind to buy heim on negative body medicine than to accept some a people when does it and? feet. >> we have to have a different take on this. [laughter] >> for things to be accepted

the main interest is sailor biology to wager that these genes the rest responded to your lifestyle which means everything to negative eight to exercise to fresh origin ship with the environment, and anything that is other but that is meant information with. >> but are you?

but what people are realizing with your body but the body and activity to freeze the in activity but the way we do to the coast and aids but there is a problem because always the doctor/patient in ginger ivanov to measure that but in an but we have so anyone has these training center

for the ama, and students going to the center and almost every hospital in the u.s. anyway has their deferment of integrated madison. , long. >> i am very humbled and privilege to work for the dean at the howard pet the department of continuing education we have 225 post graduate courses, distance learning, and when we reach out with in 92 days but i like it sells the world but a couple of years ago psychotherapy and the keynote speaker was this and

deciding to go to the parthenon miss them then shows a but then it to listen to do i the but now with its two-story people admitted it from this it is at but they do a functional change of the different types of the brain.

that is happening and the concept. just go to with the pta and read about it. one of the most fascinating syndromes to meet if so somebody who has imputation above the knee on the rice said a syrian amazing things

is somebody needs a liver transplant a patient required 100 units of blood and two years later ran the boston marathon. so complementary and integrated madison has a role of preventive medicine and how do we prevent depression? can make your some of these? but there is in my mind a certain limit to it and. [laughter] i preface this. [laughter] so it has several of i have experienced with the arthroscopic knee surgery seven may add of the blue my knee was swollen. and with a spring day in

boston enemy to a friend and she said you mentioned you had relief from your back pain i had a herniated disk in saw her and my knee was swollen i got acupuncture then she got of the car in the parking lot and but i have a little hiatus and i went to see her and she did the acupuncture and even one be compared to the other and suddenly the swelling in the paying is gone. i don't believe it. my wife does not there so i called her on the cellphone she would come home to hours later and i play nine holes of golf at the country club. i benefited from acupuncture

>> get never had surgery are taken prescriptions paid three miss much have but to come from harvard medical school like sanjiv but here are some statistics. [laughter] you can look them up. between 36 and 40% of patients suffer from a disease. and to think of the medical treatment 80% of pharmaceuticals are of optional or marginal benefits that it would not

make a bit of a difference except side-effects and money and next time you watch television with the commercial of any pharmaceutical to give you sexual impotence or could cause death. [laughter] in between is the total panorama of. [laughter] also the most common heart surgery is bypass but stable angina and does not prolong life in more than 2 percent of people but it is the most fun procedure the second most common for the car is angioplasty and does not pro long were stabilized for more than 3 percent of people. these are alarming statistics but get the surgery is done everywhere. back surgery, 90 percent is

useless, hysterectomy 95% is useless. we are talking about huge amounts of money that are spent on procedures, my father would make a diagnosis but today if you have a headache you go to the emergency room and if you don't walk out with a cat scan or mri you are lucky. because nobody has the time. we have a crisis what we call health reform is not health and form but insurance reform that has nothing to do with house. most of the expenditure is end of life care nobody is allowed to die just made my will i said i will not die in a hospital. i will not have any of the resuscitated procedures. i have been in community hospitals were the same standards don't apply an icy

doctors directing little minor aberration of electrolytes that if he didn't with allow the patient to die but they keep directing it even though they are dead and there is no life there. so sometime prolonging survival is also prolonging suffering. the people to make money are the medical providers. this has been a huge problem i have discussed it with politicians and even brought it up to our president. but we have a system. [applause] , we have a system nothing to do with the gold standard that sanjiv practices. [laughter] where for every congressman with the 28 lobbyist in washington and the only

business is medical industrial complex lobbyist or military. where do we think our country makes money to supply arms to pakistan or afghanistan or india? if they go to lou dubai, they are trained so we had huge problems with the incentives for treatment becomes money and a corrupting influence. what will a baker sent you? how does a to a therapist make money for every treatment that they give pretoria saying that? no. but question. i ask everyone here to be a difficult patient. question your doctors coming get the statistics, go to google and get the information. [laughter] and you will know more than

the average medical provider [applause] >> but i would say to that not own the question the medical practitioner who has all the letters behind their name but also the practitioner and the herbalist. >> anybody. >> i have seen someone who will buy someone within a few days for kidney failure. you can get dallas's defeated free have a severe lung problems than that can be fixed but if you have a huge live for failure you better pray you get a transplant in time and every single year as published in the medical literature of herbs, unnatural, write? about nature that killed

people kidney disease, heart failure, my patience with a variety of liver disorders, by the way 1 billion people in the world with chronic liver disease. i ask every single patient what do you take? the majority have things they have not told any other physician they have been taking herbs and and the list goes on and on. what you think about that? as an amateur you paying for that? $323 per month i called that a wallet biopsy just because it is natural does not mean it is good. earthquakes, a tornado, katrina which is why we will not be on tonight because of the tornadoes but it is part of

nature so we have to apply the same standards as we should to western medicine as well as complementary and integrated medicine as well. >> this is a discussion that needs to take place. he is right to. we have the ability to be informed these days and we should be informed of everything. >> can we get somebody of their? this is 49. what you think of negative --.

>> it is a long story but i was ambushed many years ago will i will, i hope he watches the program. i was them -- ambushed by a a journalist in england he ut as a reporter ander and to be different conversation that you had that that was animes of science and the mayor of people that watch that. i was not offended but the reason he ridiculed me as i said a shift of consciousness causes a shift in biology which is an important statement for

those of us to understand. biology is different from sleep of different from a dream state different now than when you were sleeping, a different menu were anxious uh, different when you're angry when you feel peace, compassion, love, joy , and in the tradition with the states of consciousness which i don't have time to go into but that is a good core later so what does the shame and do? a shift your consciousness and when you shift your consciousness, i used to wonder by the way with his keeling? while we say it is preventive medicine that is not true. those with heart disease you

can cure asthma, so i used to wonder what is happening biologically? finally realized what is common to all these people is a return to holy people that biologically what we learn when we go to medical school the first question is in the second is homeostasis. you need the inflammatory response but if you have the exaggerated the inflammatory response then you have autoimmune, allergy, and exaggerated to be up predisposing factor and feared dead to have

chemotherapy second but inflammation is a protective response exaggerated is not good. but what is the feeling response returning to homeostasis. your baseline status of dawn changing in the midst of change. it occurs to me those people who were getting wider with the or rather liked to call this for regulation we have the devices that can monitor that. then we go through the baseline state of homeostasis which is the healing response. when we go to medical school , oriented for the

specialization this is a gastroenterologist, cardiolo gists, the state of our being is not feeling or thinking or doing, just being. we are human beings that human thinking is. at that level of pollution has designed dusk for self repair. that is what happens with shaman is some. that is a long answer. [applause] >> we'll take two more questions. and. >> what is success in your life that you each talk about be willing to bear to take on arrest?

sometimes you also have failures along the way and wonder what some of your most impact call failures and how did they find success? >> i mentioned in the book chapter where i walked out of the fellowship -- fell a ship that is very prestigious because i would ask a question that i didn't know the answer to. the question was how many milligrams did the rats get? and i said to my supervisor supervisor, my professor, i think it was 2.3 milligrams let me look get up and the other fellows said you should have that information in your head by now.

so i took my briefcase and i don't know the papers on his head and i said you have on your head by now and i walked out of mind fellowship. [laughter] and he called my wife and said your husband blew his career. he is finished. my wife was pregnant with harrison. and we were earning $600 per month. i was out of the fellowship fellowship, again i read in "the boston globe" there were looking for a position and i went to and it to bring about a real have no experience with have a medical license. and he said i will train your. so for one year i was moonlighting thin i did feel like a failure at that time especially coming close to

losing my wife, as children, and. >> as long as i lived for the approval of my superiors in my peers that i could not do what i needed to do. it took me awhile to realize i wanted to explore something that needed to be explored. it to it me a while to recover from that. >> i remember in the early '80s i sat down at the spiritual, a family, social, next to professional wrote and then

to have a foot of the. >> and the largest collection of medical books in the world to go to the subbasement today get the original articles published 1917. then they wrote an introduction with the table of contents that i wrote three chapters and they sent it to five publishers. four of them said a three-year not interested we already have a textbook and herpetology. the fifth one said we really like your writing style i would like to come to boston to take off for lunch. police said down and we go

eat seafood and as a sit-down he says we're not interested in your books. are you kidding? you came all the way from new york to take me out to lunch? he said but we like your writing style and but to edit a book but that they would be taught to the second year medical students. but every adversity brings greater success. that we will still get my book published and no added a second to textbook of battle physiology and then the worker said we will edit the book then invite the entire mafia and and that

but 9,999 times he said i failed. i did not fail i discovered 9,900 and in nine ways in which it does not work. when he was 57, his company burn down. a lot of people commiserated to say why you do that? he settles my mistakes have been burned and now i can start new. it is really an attitude and we are very fortunate that those values were instilled in us when we were young. >>.

>> the the patients with chronic lyme disease community -- today are suffering and perhaps could we get some help for a our suffering because we cannot reach homeostasis was all alternative medicine and western medicine and we are not getting well. >> i am sorry i am not the right person to answer your question. my specialty is liver disease your best would be it of rheumatologist who also embraces integrated madison with the mind by the connection will be your best bet. maybe deepak can help. >> there are integrated rheumatologist, infectious disease specialist, and there is a list of all these people if you go to the web site to get more information but i also not the right person to ask that question.

>> i know i am asking a lot that could do the dusk in a group meditation? -- lead us in a group meditation? [laughter] tis five. >> did you meditate this morning? when you're around? there is a wonderful ancient saying you should meditate once a day if you don't have time to do that you should meditate twice a day may be deepak will lead the group. >> if you're not already familiar how many are familiar with the 21

meditation they challenge? frazier hand. every three months that dr. chopra center offers this online along with oprah winfrey and 700,000 people meditated together with us for three weeks for 21 days for travis traveling the world santeria and the america and coming people have heard of the 21 day challenge? and a 15 percent of people raise their hand just like this. i just wanted to know if you go to the show press center .com we will participate with the largest experiment of meditation that has ever been done in the history of civilization. it has never been. [applause] i don't want to miss the

opportunity to tell you this and you can register now for free. that is the kind of movement we need to start to have critical mass awareness i will be dusk. >> after the meditation is done everybody needs to remain seated for to minute.org is sanjiv and deepak have a media appearance and they need to make it out. so please remain seated. >> there are many kinds of meditation reflective, transcending thomas self aware, i will start you on something that if you just die your day with it it will go a little better. close your eyes. put your awareness on your breast.

and let your mind is settle. do not try to manipulate your breasts. now bring your awareness to your heart and ask yourself who have my? >> let any thoughts or feelings to spontaneous the resurface. who ran my?

>> ask yourself the question, what do i want? again allow any sensation to spontaneously and arrived. what do want? and no one final question, what is my purpose

that been the final question what is my purpose and how can i serve? in just a reminder you don't go looking for the answer you only asked the question. relax into your body. please open your eyes. their many kinds this is a reflection there is a foreign dusk on the transcendence, a conscious choice making, space the

difference between the perceptual and the actual coming but if you just do three or four minutes have reflection first of all, you will experience a sinker cruz city which is response to the question let's it will be much better. thank you. [applause] >> please join me to thank and a round of applause for the brilliant sanjiv and deepak. [applause]

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