you time the chapter on the side of the story the. then lastly. i would have to say that this is a tree of story of guilty love. i will come back to if you ask me.

>> we like would like to see after we cartalk if there are any questions. this book is a labor of love and the labor of a lot of people. i thought when i was a writer that i could write a book by myself, but it takes a huge organizations write a good book and i think the organization that we have is published and it's part of the literary agency that helped make this possible. the book came out in april 2013 this year. i have been on to order as we

share this book across the country. it appears to be the world as well. it is about world peace. it is a geopolitical simulation that i have created about 35 years ago when i taught in richmond, virginia, the richmond public schools. i was a beginning teacher and i didn't know what i was doing. it was my first job, and i didn't know what to do really. but the key thing that made a difference was my supervisor at the time and i asked her what should i do. thinking that i would get an instruction manual, she would tell me what to do. well, she didn't. she asked me, what do you want to do. you might've heard me say this before. that really upset me. as a young teacher waiting for some guidance, i wanted to have some direction to do things right and to do things well. instead of giving a specific directions, she opened this large space for me, this big

space in that empty space really became a template for everything after that. the very first thing that i did was i had to create a curriculum because there wasn't any. i was teaching different kids in virginia and doing what i wanted to do, i didn't know what that was, but i thought that i would try to do what my advisors recommended. they said find out who your students are, really get to know them and find out what their passions are. what they love, what they care about. find out what they care about. and then will curriculum to that or around that. their love and passion, what drives their cricket when. because they feel they will have ownership in it is their work that they are doing. i asked my students a my first

job in 1978, what do you care about? what you up? in 1978 they loved wargames. we did not have facebook or even computers, believe it or not. so i said, well, we have to have of working. my school had a curriculum that i was teaching, social studies, and a loved wargames. i think right around 1978, problem-solving have been invented as a curriculum tool. select created a board game called the world peace game. i thought, why not go for the whole world. i thought the challenge and

problem-solving, i took them on every continent and i divided them into teams. the objective was to solve the problems and make it more interesting. so it was a double challenge. but i rose to the challenge with the ninth graders and we have been playing the game ever since 1978. at first i used real country and i stopped because i found out that the students were not winning the game very well after a few years. i didn't know why and i questioned them and finally came to light in the real countries which is sort of look at the newspaper and ask her parents and we take their suggestions and do what they do. real problems, real world, and they weren't solving them. so we kept the real problems and modify them so they were appropriate and we kept on

going. today from its plywood board on the floor is a 4-foot by 4-foot by 4-foot board plus a glass tower that towers over most of my fourth graders and 9-year-olds in virginia where i teach. in this tower emulates this. four by four sheet of plexiglass. stacking and range one above the other horizontally. and on this layer we have hundreds of game pieces and i have collected them over the decades. the bottom level is called the undersea level and there are some marines, undersea mining, and there is a space level on top that is over the heads and

space stations and satellite also the scenario you put in. she can change the weather anytime she likes and on that level we had air forces from different countries and airspace my thoughts above the countries on the next level ground the minister of defense and a chief financial officer for each

country so she determines the severity and we also have a saboteur sometimes it is the student who is my best student. that is the student that i want to use as a skill set. to the good of the game and they jump at the chance. to that student has to have a twofold job.

the secretary of state, whatever it is, two objectives to secretr it is, two objectives to solve all of it and raise the values and they are trying to do that and at the same time through misinformation and ambiguities and irrelevancies, they cannot do this but they are trying to destroy the entire game, they are playing our dark side. and gleefully so. so it automatically acknowledges that person's existence and forces everyone to have to consider more deeply everything and every nuance and gesture and every line of thought so we are trying to increase critical thinking and an opportunity for students to go more deeply into everything. the panthers are not always as they seem.

one is a top-secret dossier and they have documents which are linked to trade agreements and tariffs and fines and fees and treaties and inventories and expediters and forums and so forth. and i think about 25 pages of documents. and they also have a 13 page crisis document, if the interlocking problems that basically we have ripped from the headlines and modified and i have interlocked them so that it is connected to every other crisis in every way possible. so that if one prices changes, everything else changes as much as possible we really believe that they can handle it.

fifteen interlocking problems middle range countries and economics and i will choose a leadership of each country of the world as they choose their teams. united nations, secretary-general chooses his or her deputy secretary and so forth. each country choosing its own. it starts with the season and crises in every way imaginable. it ranges from ethnic and minority struggles and hazardous waste spills and nuclear waste problems and water rights issues and and climate change an endangered species.

all tied together as one big messy problem. i think failure is a part of life. we call it back, but we have taken it out of the game, but we are going to alternate the students from the reality in a safe and appropriate way and live through success which also has its own problem. it immediately goes into despair because nothing works. i think it is very fundamental to teaching and learning and

also we have to know and care about it and we have to understand each other. when we have that kind of respect, we have 31 coteachers and they are empowered to take learning onto themselves for themselves so with that sudden rephrasing or read directing, they think of themselves and see them shake their heads and say mr. hunter doesn't know. we have to help him. they want to help me, they really do. this man needs some help and we have to get him out of this jam.

i can't direct. all i can do is ask questions and they can do whatever they want, it is their game. they can have trade deals and the unbalanced. hopefully in that environment they learn what works and what does not. after years and years and decades of doing this, they always come out on the side of compassion and taking care of everyone. they always do. even though i put them in these situations, they still find a way through that to take care of everybody on the planet. and solve all 50 of those interlocking problems. i don't thinking that it isn't going to work this time, maybe

they are launching a nuclear weapon this time. i can't stop it. but they never have. they have come close a few times. they have gone the distance as far as humans will go. but they turn around on their own and they will all sort of understand that they are not playing against each other and they're playing against the game. when they realize there is an electricity change. and they enter what some talk about and they call it where they have the ability to master everything and it speeds up or slows down and they feel like they are masters of their own universe and they can solve

every problem and they do. they saw that quite easily whether feasible or not. it is a miraculous thing to see. managing to save this with creative and fresh ideas and no interference. it is, it moves me every time i see it and it's a remarkable thing to see. even though the situation is impossible. i cannot solve it and i can't solve it. but it takes all of them to do it, every one of them. in the fight, can we have more problems and i know classes are almost over, but how about a few

more. we can't have anymore today, well, then we are going to have to creates more problems. now knowing that we can match any problems and why not take on a few more. one student, we wonder how this game will go into the real world and one student, a year after 2006, her name is amelia, she's in the film and her film as part of the achievements here in the book. she made a documentary film about this in my cell. the family became more about teachers and teaching which is

amazing. it's a great film, even though i minute. and it won a number of awards but in the film a very fiery young girl, therefore having the greatest challenge came to the game having some issues and problems like that in the next year she read about how this village had water problems and people were dying. it took about $100 and amelia having second similar problems in the scheme organized a charity of her fellow students collecting pennies and nickels and dimes and quarters and she got to talk about this and have

a wall put in and save lives. general doral with an idea inspired by her realistic and real-life experience about the real world. there's a lot of talk about this and that kind of thing. i had my own opinions. but i would just ask, how do you break something like that. you know, you know, you need to go beyond the simple concept of making a snapshot of the students ability and wisdom and we are talking about this and great educational consultant that is a snapshot and we we're trying to get the big picture we want a full photo album. a whole portfolio. not just depending on a single snapshot to determine someone's

lives. they have shown us year after year that that has an effect. they are great teachers all over and jamie baker and i are traveling around the world and they are presenting the game and its principles and inspiring other teachers and educators and others. what we find is there are so many great teachers in the world. do we see them? was looking here or there and we have this idea that everything is falling apart in my experience has been that there are so many fantastic teachers doing great work out there and students are doing really well on a lot of places and some are

very optimistic and we had this necessary and we had some feedback and some feedback to help guide us. the emphasis is so strong in that direction that we can see the rearview mirror and see where we have been into good look at ourselves but we can't see the landscape in front of us. so that would be my only comment about that. so this film has been across america and several times the right have been bought in a number of countries, norway, israel, romania, ontario, i believe estonia as well, which is very interesting. it is not about a single teacher. when i see this, i see myself

and i see this thing happening and i see my teachers and those in virginia in the 1960s and now it turned out really well, everything came out and became more of one. ethel banks, the way she puts her hands on it is how we get over to it. but all of those expenses have gone into making this. this is every effort that i can manage so i away huge debt of gratitude and that is my leaning. we all have our leanings and someone made it possible for us to be here and without them we

would not have survived. from the very first day. so we have a huge unpayable that so many people and i do as well. but i would like to thank the gentleman for bringing it to light. so many better teachers and i have had no camera in the classroom. so i feel a great responsibility to have to tell you about those teachers and to hear about things in the book, things interesting, that is just the tip of the iceberg a lot of community members as well are working hard just to try to help unsung, unknown, unpaid individuals at times is to try to make things better. coming all the way from virginia

is to talk about this book about teachers and art education. i could talk all night and this is one final thing and i will open it up for questions than. the film led us out to silicon valley a couple of years ago when we screened it for a company in the design firm. beautiful people, lovely campus, near silicon valley and they asked about this film, they asked to see this and we ran out and saw the film and they were excited and they said this is design thinking and i don't know what that is, but i will accept

that, that sounds wonderful. thank you. and so at the end of the screening this young woman came up, great shoes and tattered clothes, beautiful jewelry and she said we would like to see you in the cards at pentagon defense department and i said well, i'm sure she will have time and are scheduled to come and see. so we were invited to the defense department on behalf of the under served under in undersecretary of defense the smalltime filmmakers and inside is this huge building, 17 miles and we have the most amazing revelation. 56 million documented in the

blue ridge mountains of virginia, a geopolitical simulation three to four times in the pentagon and we were stunned and it began with us there. we want to talk to your about us and the space that it creates and the game came out of this here and we didn't know how to talk about what to do. and we have more of that here. it almost felt like there was this two hour does sincere discussion about space. we are tired and suffering and we need answers from where we can find them. and it really was an eye-opening thing to us or it is kind of a monolithic basis and it turns out there were people than they

were in dire straits like a lot of us are about the situation. so we went home and we were very thoughtful. about a week later we got a phone call and he said we would like you to bring students to the pentagon, get some ideas. so my students rose to the challenge to be prepared for the real world and the staff chief and a staff member said economic political and social issues that we were assigned to created a paper full of information as we walked down the hall. it was a top-secret dossier. and we have all this stuff and we were met by a room full of policy people.

we spent the entire morning with the students having a policy discussion with a 9-year-old veteran diplomat. this is how we handle them, what we do and the students would answer and how we handle this with climate change considerations on what you do and the students would answer. it was an amazing experience and the scenes are kids having a great time, taking a tour, thrilled about the building of the pentagon targeted during the cold war and it turned out to be a hot dog stand and after this there was a door open for us to

usher into this secretary leon panetta it was warm and affable and he welcomed the students into his office given by the navy seals a few months earlier saying don't touch all of these and he had a discussion and not a photo opportunity. he said he had 10 minutes and save almost a half hour these are military commanders and

leaders that have a special metal coin and that was given by the commander to a subordinate for a tremendous amount of service or something involving beyond. the staffer says i have known a man for years and i've hardly seen. and that was general martin dempsey and he said i would like to coin new as well. as you can imagine what the students felt and what they will carry with them in this we went

to tennessee in the martin institute. this young man came to pick us up and he was a teacher at the school. and he had well-to-do. no problem coming he is a teacher at school. he got out of his car and he said the fourth great achievements, i like that film and i said oh, do you? that's very nice. would you like about it. and he said, well, i like that you have the students write that letter and the military

commander wagered those in battle and loses them. we have to be able to write a letter home winning what happened and we have a couple of paragraphs. and i i think up until about a year and a half ago i was a marine military commander and i fought in afghanistan and iraq and i did several things which is one of the worst street battles in recent history. and he said it was genetic. because when i was a commander, i had to write that letter.

and i had to make the phone call to the parents and i had to go to the house and home of the parents and told them what had happened. so we have an idea of the consequences of what were days. you keep that letter in the game and it's very important. i don't know if i could've gotten a better affirmation. under the most terrible situation in my students are playing this so that maybe they don't have to do what he has done. so thank you for listening to me ramble on. are there any questions about this and how it works and how it is played? would you like to play a? we can turn this table around.

we have any ideas, questions or comments? >> yes, sir, go ahead. >> okay, you mention a little girl and have you had any other students in the future and have they gone on to diplomatic things or have any decreased interest in politics. >> that's a great question. it's kind of a bittersweet question because as a teacher student leader classroom if you're at the top level of a grade, the weaver school menu never see them again. you may never know what happened to them. you can lay awake at night and wonder what ever happened to this kid or that kid and see their faces and you don't know what happened.

ten or 20 were 30 years ago she played the game but 15 or 17 years ago and said i played that game in the last 10 years of the game i started crying because i remember that game. because when i played it you i may be a black market arms dealer and i did everything. but the game allows us to come all kinds things to be worked out and she said i am in war and peace studies at the university of north carolina chapel hill. and i saw diplomatic problems and when i get a problem, my

fingers start doing is i'm so excited about diplomacy. in my professors cannot understand why i've been so good at it. so she wrote a letter on her website and put it on her blog there. but there are letters coming from students like that in one student said she was a facilitator general who basically moved me out of a job and kind of took over, which was the last part of this. she had moved away. so what do you know. that is on our website. yes, i think we are giving some great feedback. it's a wonderful thing for a teacher to hear from a student who comes back to let them know what happened. >> i listen to your book and i

have heard about the bulova saboteur. what are some of the abilities that the saboteur can use? >> that's a good question. what can the saboteur it do and what are the abilities and capacities and capabilities of the saboteur. welcome as i said, that's a very high functioning student and now you can think of two that can try to win these games were tied to destroy these games at the same time. but mostly what happens is out here. mostly we have to be, should i say wise enough to be able to create problems that make the game more interesting and more difficult and challenging and also at the same time, try to solve all the problems they have been given the problems that they create. our best saboteurs do that. i don't want to give away too many tricks.

they were going to figure out who he was, they were getting close, clues were coming out. and the role was too important to the game. so what did he do? he said and what were they due to misdirect their investigation. so he called in a missile strike and it was an incredible decision. completely misdirected redirected suspicion. he was brought to trial the charges were dismissed because nobody would believe that he would do such a thing. so it's an amazing strategy and it is a sacrifice that he made for the good of the game.

mostly the tools are here. maybe something like that. but mostly this up here. at the end of the game, are saboteurs always cheered and celebrated and we think everybody would be celebrating this. but now they are so happy. you made it harder for us, you made a better game, thank you for that. what kind of an odd thing to see the person is trying to destroy it because of their cleverness and using their cleverness actually help us. that person is celebrated in the game. >> how were you? >> we can see what we can do are

there any other questions? >> then we talk on different levels on making this part of the curriculum. >> can we put this online, can we make a video game and can we talk about this. and i thought, no, it is a visceral. any place has a tactile experience and why would we want to take all of that away and put you with a group of strangers or put you on an online video game and the game may have been in it, but it's about achieving peace and it's designed to fail. so some of the first interest we have had is about putting it in the box, big box to sell.

and we thought, nobody's got a bye because who's going to want that the one that is going to use fail massively alive. maybe a few people as we have been approached by a number of game design companies and some engineers to think about how we might augment the actual physical game through video conference and so forth and so on. there has been quite an interest from our friends in norway and austria and taiwan as well and china about this and sharing this exercise. so we are trying to do it in an authentic way that maintains those essential elements, but we would like to share to make a legacy so it can be in its original form and at least close to it and maybe better.

>> okay, yes, sir. >> the group of fourth graders, what are the possibilities for those of us you know, don't we wish. the most amazing thing that i think i found it each young person and in the way we cannot afford to lose anybody and not one single person can write anybody off. they play the most amazing sophisticated game and i have no doubt that high school and college students can save this and i have been a book no

obstacle. time and time again they have found reasonable and practical ways of doing this. the clever interlocking problems that they did not stop until they saved it. so it gives me great hope that every child who comes along would never know. so you have to make every possible effort for every possible child so they can help us fix the mess that we have left them and we have left them a huge problem and they have to come along and we are giving them a huge burden and asking them to help us so i hope that

the adults can take heed to that. of course, it is hopeful that people also have shown the film at the united nations and they are looking into it and asking questions like fourth-graders about what we might do to help. i think we're about done for the evening and i think that publishing company in this film is a documentary and the achievements and literary agent in new york. we are all making this possible it is a pleasure to be here with you tonight. thank you all for coming. i really appreciate it. >> is there a nonfiction author or book you'd like to see featured on booktv? send us an

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