and then in 1781 he was elected president of delaware and dessert for a year and then was elected president of pennsylvania and hailed of those two posts for a time simultaneously. .. what later is called the connecticut compromise. he sacrificed his own reputation for the good of the country, and the refrain that he made throughout his life was that he would rather offend his countrymen by speaking the truth than see them injured by not

choosing the right path. >> for more affirmation on book tv recent visit to dover, delaware, and the many other cities visited by our local content vehicles, abcatoo c-span.org / local content. next, william perry pendley talks about ronald reagan's energy and environmental policies and discusses his efforts to balance environmental protection and economic growth. this hourlong event was hosted by the heritage foundation in washington d.c. >> join me in welcoming william perry pendley, the author of "sagebrush rebel." [applause] >> when it came to energy, natural resources, and the environment, reagan knew exactly what you wanted to do. of course he had been governor of california.

like the other ten western states, california is of federal land state. the united states government does own one-third of the nation, most of that in the american west. california, like colorado, half of that was on by the federal government. and so ronald reagan as governor of california and not just when it was a sovereign but also when it was a landowner. and in many of the cases of bad neighbor. and so he had that experience. he knew the agencies, the park service, the fish and wildlife service, the forest service, the part of agriculture. he had experience with those agencies firsthand. he brought that knowledge with him and the years ahead. something phenomenal about reagan was that he had photographic memory. and that is not just from bill clarke and george sherrills, but lou kent, the famous reagan

biographer points that out. and it's one of the reasons why reagan, once he had experience with an issue, brought that experience with them into the future. the second thing that happened was that ron reagan, after he left being governor, made its decision that really was tremendously important and decided not to go into television. of course he had been, for years, and television, but he was offered the opportunity to appear on a weekly broadcast against some liberal talking about some topic or other. he said, i am afraid the public will get tired of me and television. and so he embarked upon the weekly radio addresses, hundreds and thousands of radio addresses that he gave over the years. he took a brief break when he ran for president first in 1976 and then resent those radiobroadcast as he continued on until he decided finally to run for president successfully

in 1980. and in those addresses he covered the issues that he felt were important. to the american people, issues of foreign affairs, energy, the environment, and interestingly enough rate in believe that all those issues were wrapped up together. foreign affairs problems were tied up their economic problems, tied up other energy problems. he saw the solutions to those problems in the federal land that the federal government don't. most of all land is in the west and it is in an area of the country that is just geological unique and provides tremendous opera jennifer the development of hydrocarbons memorial and gas and also strategic and critical minerals. so reagan knew that that was a great opportunity. in addition the federal government owns all the acreage of the hour, mantelshelf outside of state waters. and bring in new a great opportunity to solve our energy problems. reagan did not believe the government when it came to the government's view of our energy

future. in a famous radio address he would buy the years and decades to what the government predicted would be our energy future and prove that the government was wrong, the federal permit got a raw with regard to our energy future. check out a couple of books. if he had not read them, and his own hand. reagan, his path to victory. marty anderson has put together those wonderful reagan's speeches, many written in his own and. in my book i set out an incredible laundry list of issues that he covered. and he writes like a man who spent a long time at the department of the interior, may be the department of agriculture's. i don't mean to five a high policy level. so he -- he staked out those issues very clearly on where he wanted to go and when he felt the future should be -- he

continued to monitor what was going on. the fall of closely what was going on. two of his radio address system a continued the radio address tradition. every president since and has followed with that tradition. i don't think as successfully, but he continued to do there radio addresses, and many of them he wrote himself. the two key address is that a feature in my boat, one in june of 1983, one in october of 1983. he rode up by himself. one i have a copy of. the other we don't have the record, but i have a copy where the typist is put out in a corner, are are wrote. so by his own hand the file of these issues. he wrote. he covered these issues. he also made sure that his policies would be implemented by

picking three secretaries of the interior in which she had great confidence. jim walk out of wyoming, he met him and concluded that this was a man who was true to his word and was going to follow through on what he said and what president reagan wanted to do. bill clark, he called one of his biographers reagan's top hand. he was the go to person for ron reagan. people say that judge clark was closer than any other person to ronald reagan and outside. and then after pill cart went back to california, adelle, tried and true, successful secretary over at the department of education. in fact, suggested to the president, maybe we ought to make an attorney general. instead he made him secretary of the interior. he picked these three men to do the work that he wanted to have done that he had envisioned back when he was governor, that he

continued to talk about when he was a radio speaker and writer. he continued to back each and every one of them. one of the things that has been fascinating, i hope the book like this would have been written back in the 80's are certainly the 90's. it was not until 2000 the release of something that helped us understand what reagan's philosophy was, how he went about these things come out truly believe in these issues until his diaries camera in 2004. and it's fascinating to me, but i read his diaries to see how closely was followed in all these issues. the second general area and would like to cover is environmental extremism. why it matters today. and the term and terminal extremists is reagan's own -- this is what he referred to. at one time recall the modern-day lines which i thought was pretty cool.

reagan said that in our realtor and -- address al-anon to explain what that was for those of the audience who might not know. and impartial extremists lied about reagan and continue to lie about reagan in three very important respects. first of all, they're liable reagan when they said we did not oppose an initially. the great myth that environmentalists like to talk about today -- and a talk about shortly after he left office, well, you know, really didn't dislike of a first. ron defense, trying to make up our minds. not know how we would come out. internal groups took a position against an early and stuck with it. publicly what was known to the public generally at the time was that in september of 198021 new environment groups representing millions of members of her criminal organizations went to the carter white house, endorsed

carter for reelection, and then step down and excoriated ronald reagan. it did not just endorsed carter, the attack reagan. and the attack was relentless. what's more interesting to me was even a year earlier something the press did not notice. the new york times said about the white house appearance in october of 1980, this is a remarkable change. for the first time in history environment groups had taken the side and a presidential election it was the first time but was -- it set the stage for the informal groups. they are today in my view an arm of the democratic party. is not about the environment politics. even a year earlier the environmental groups traveled to denver, colorado to take on what they saw as a real threat to them which was the sagebrush

rebellion. while i was writing this book i searched sagebrush rebellion. and war of the west, carter bore of the west. there was of much of there. was very surprised. let me bring you up-to-date. the war of the west, some scholars said the war of the representative to five west really started with the passage of the federal land policy and management act when the way in which we use of federal land changed dramatically. no longer regard to sell. you're going to keep it, preserve forever. that had an impact. it really did not have an impact . what had an impact was when jimmy carter came into office. cecil and your became secretary of the interior and all the sudden they decided to implement policies that were seen as a war on the west. an attack on mining, ranching,

forestry, the use of water, state sovereignty, you name it. and it was not a partisan issue and all because democratic governors like abbott of arizona, matheson of utah, colorado, the robo book called the west. praising people like jim what if -- then cecil andrus and jimmy carter were doing. and so there were those quickly itself identified. in fact in 1980 -- after he was here in washington getting ready for the transition after his election he sent a telegram back

to salt lake city to our group of sagebrush rebels who were gathering there. i hope to have a peaceful solution to the sagebrush rebellion. in addition, reagan's best friend in the senate was the sagebrush rebels and had led the charge on doing legislation, drafting and introducing legislation to address the sagebrush rebellion issues. so the environmental groups in september 1979 went to denver and say, had we do with this. moreover, throughout the campaign, throughout the campaign reagan did what reagan had done as governor of california, what he did during his radio address is. but he continued to do with his campaign, that is to speak out on energy in the normal issues. how we had to develop our resources. have we had to work our way out of this problem we are facing for the needs of the american people.

and if we ever have any hope of dealing with our foreign problems. carter on the other and said as president obama's says today, we cannot grow our way out of this. jimmy carter said back in the 1980's, by 1990 we will have run out of natural gas. well, reagan did not dig there was retinal. he made it very clear during his campaign. and so when environmentalists say my goodness gracious, no idea what he believed. moreover, we did not oppose some of the time. post in the beginning of 1980. they oppose term beginning in 79, 1980, 1981 even before he was sworn in, and they continued to attack and. the second line environmentalist element of reagan in the administration is that ronald reagan may have had a successful administrative presence, that is to change the budget to my change personnel, it issued new

regulations, but it was only in an administrative sense. he had an unsuccessful legislative presidency, and that was because he had brought a bipartisan consensus regarding the varmints of issues. i'm quoting largely. they speak frequently of the environmental consensus on an caramel issues. well, sure enough, there had been an internal juggernaut in the 60's and 70's. look back at all the legislation . i set it forth in my book. it was passed during those years and it certainly does look like the environmentalists had a juggernaut going. and it looked like it was a bipartisan thing. after all, the endangered species act passed almost overwhelmingly with no opposition. however, buyer's remorse was starting to set in. especially for a lot of westerners, endangered species act is a classic example. at the time they said, maybe it

will be about a hundred species on the list. today we have thousands the reader will only affect federal property. it will never affect private property, and if it ever affect private property, we will just buy the property and use it. that was then. this yesterday. i want to tell you something. i found a really interesting a couple of days ago. a story out of california about how the condor's which the reagan administration recovered. the condor swept into a california town and wreak havoc on the town sheriff -- jerry shingles off the roof and doing nothing to the great distress of homeowners. it reminded me of a famous line from ronald reagan and i have in my book, he wrote about the endangered species act. we really want these flying was a comeback? and i think he saw that coming.

so there was a tremendous amount of buyer's remorse, especially in the west. is this with these and vermeil statutes made? a good example. the national environmental policy act, essentially the workshop equivalent of measure twice and cut once. it was to require that we study a project carefully before we move forward with a major federal action that will significantly affect the quality of the human environment, but it did not mean steady it forever, and that's what it means today. after it was passed we had not hilton while refinery. we did not improve the levees enormous before could turn and. today in the american west for we have terrible forest fires i guarantee you that not one of those burned areas will be harvested before the timber is allowed to rot on the style. welcome not reagan saw all of that. when he came in he was presented

to transition reports. one was presented by nixon ford, environmental types and they said to the president in a document, just tinker around the edges with some of these and berman of regulations. don't make big changes. and reagan quickly to riverside. only three copies of the river made. and instead president reagan klong to a document created in this bill that mandates the leaders down by the heritage foundation in 1980, chapter by chapter about what a conservative administration ought to do. there was an interior chapter. i confess the played a small role in writing that documents. that's what reagan wanted to do. yes. that's what i want to do. and not only did he -- he said, have a copy put in front of

every officer. until the cabinet, read your chapter and then implemented. and so over at interior we did. so, yes, yes. we had a successful administrator presidency, legal scholars -- not legal scholars, but scholars say that reagan probably had the most successful administrator presidency in the history, even more successful than fdr, simply because of a laser light focus on the issues and a commitment to getting it done. reagan said, every once in awhile have to grab the bureaucracy by the neck and say, stop tumor you going. and he did. and we did. but that is not the end of it. president reagan, of course, as you all know have a very

successful economic agenda. he got tax cuts passed, a lot of economic legislation passed with the help of a launch of yellow dog democrats who joined with him. for example, my good friend of nevada's saw a light and stop being a democrat. but there were other legislative successes that president reagan had in the area of energy, natural resources, and the environment. for example, the reclamation act of 1902. broad bipartisan consensus about what needed to be done with regard to reclamation next and got a ton. there was fraud, rampant corruption, and the manner in which an incompetence that the manner in which royalties were collected. the federal lands across the west, commission was appointed. and made recommendations. the secretary moved quickly to congress and said let's implement these committed this adopted. that was quickly enacted in the

federal law. president reagan signed it with a lovely signing address. in addition in 1986 notwithstanding the fact that we knew back in the administration of jimmy carter, cecil andrus that there were problems in a way that oil and gas leases were issued. problems that were not solved but the reagan administration worked closely through jim what and bill clark, working with the congress to ultimately have the federal while and gas mineral leasing act amendments of 1986 passed a law. numerous others, all in my book that i set forth. the president had a number of legislative victories. for example, with regard to the protection of the coastal zones, the coastal area, keeping it from being developed, providing funding through tax relief with regard to the reclamation of old historic structures and also, of course, a great boon to indian

country, the indian gaming law change. there were some defeats. admittedly, but it wasn't because reagan was others tap with whatever environmental consensus there was in congress. it was because congress was schizophrenic. it was simply schizophrenic on these issues to be some members of congress the we had to have all wilderness all the time and never in explore for oil and gas. some thought, well, we ought to be drilling for oil and gas even in the wilderness, drolen, searching for a strategic minerals in the wilderness. if we ever discover some men also key to our survival and a wilderness we ought to stop making a well-dressed and get that four out of the ground. that was the schizophrenic nature of congress, and that split continued throughout the reagan administration and i think president reagan had great success notwithstanding that division environmentalist's why

about a third area, reagan's legacy. now, as a surprise to any of us that they still like woody did. they won't like what he did on the outer continental shelf to be more about that later. the wall like the fact that the issue coal leases or that he wanted to search for strategic and critical malls. they ought to like what he did on wilderness. president reagan signed 39 wilderness bills. he created more wilderness land in the lower 48 than any president in history. before him more sense and. he got more land into the federal estate as national parks than any president in history. he created more wildlife refuges and poured more money into wildlife refuges and national parks than any present master. the president, through his secretaries, put a billion dollars in his first term in a national parks to bring them up

to go because tragically over the decades of the national park service acquired land, brought it out of private hands, brought it into federal ownership, but not taking care of the land that was badly badly out of code and not save. president reagan was the one who called for cleaning up chesapeake bay. and i had to laugh last weekend i was in south carolina with my marine son celebrating the fourth of july. of course the fourth of july, the statute of -- stature libri reopened for the first time since hurricane sandy head. it was ronald reagan the restored the statue of liberty and ellis island in time for the centennial celebration back in 1986. he put together an unprecedented public-private partnerships who raised $300 million of private

funds and eventually raise $600 million in private funds to restore the statue of liberty to be in yet environmentalists to the state, to the state complained about reagan and how bad he was on an arm of issues that quite frankly is a lie. less talk about the reagan legacy, stock about what it means today because that is the other part of my book. i met with marjorie ross about a year ago last april and april april 2012. as you know, the president of gregory. i have been fortunate to publish a couple of books with gregory. and i said, want to talk about what reagan did on environmental natural resources and energy issues. and i want to talk about why it's important today. she was -- especially the part about today. here it is.

president reagan recognized that we have tremendous resources in this country. we certainly are a blessed country given the natural resources that we have. beautiful, spacious skies and all that great stuff. and we also have remarkable natural resources, has rediscovered of the past several years. president reagan understood or oil and gas issues. he recognized three unique trees about oral and gas. number one, while and gas industry is not a monopoly. number two, it is the independent or and gas operators that make a major discoveries. number three, were going to find new energy resources by and conventional technologies. sound familiar? well, of course reagan would not have been surprised by what is going on today with regard to arrive from fracturing. would not have surprised some in the least. of course been gone on for 60

years. really been hearing about for 60 minutes because now it's an internal crisis is something. but it is a remarkable change, and it all started, as i said, chapter one of my book, it all started out west of wyoming and a little town called pine bail in an area where using hydraulic fracturing on blm land, a guy out of wyoming you could afford the cheap natural gas leases that were being sold discovered what is called the biggest natural discovery in the history of the estates. and he did a using hydraulic fracturing. and the success that we have there on federal land still spread across the country and if you have been following these issues all you know one thing about this. that is all private and state land. none of it is on federal land.

and that is the great tragedy. this stuff was originally discovered on federal land. great. will do more of that on federal lands. in fact, we have done less. the obama administration right now is on the verge of issuing regulations that will cost us billions of dollars to comply with unnecessary elations or acosta hydraulic fracturing. who is regulated? the guys that have always regulated for the past 60 years, state government. they have done a darn good job. there are all pleased with the way they do it and don't need the department of the interior to help. and there was a remarkable success story. you have heard also field in north dakota. that is that texas field which also is oil, but you take those two fields, the balkans and the texas field.

from five years ago it was a 500 barrels per day and is now up to 5,000. you take the north dakota feel that a texas field and add them together and you had a billion. that is less than the monterey santos field. that is federal land. some of that is federal land. right now it's under a federal judge's moratorium. so you can see the kind of future we have in a post reagan-era. a couple of years ago they guy who is almost a singularly responsible for the success in north dakota who heads up an outfit called continental resources had an audience with the president of the united states. and he knew that his time would be limited in said, want to make it count. no one to tell the president that remarkable success of the oil patch over recent years and the incredible transformation

technologically. in so that is what he told. the president brushed aside, said, well, the secretary tells me that in the next five years to live a battery that will put in all the cars and we will be the or -- and in more. and he emerged from a meeting and said this to the "wall street journal", if you really believe that nonsense, why would you do away with the economic miracle, the energy miracle that is the oil and gas industry today? a good question. president reagan did something very unique with regard to the other, and a shelf. when you look in my book and see the chart in an where i compare the amount of land made available and more importantly when you look at the chart that shows the amount of acreage released by -- released for

acreage for sale under president carter with the amount of acreage offered up by president reagan, it will blow your mind. we did something very unique. here was the approach. one of reagan's philosophy, one of his core principles on government resources was we will not act as a monopolist. we will not drive the price of. the price is passed on to the consumer, the american people. and so the philosophy in the past had been we have 40,000 acres in the western hub of mexico. forty dozen acres and are available for oral and gas leaking -- leasing. and the problem would go to the industry and say, where you want to drove? well, we would like this track here. who wants that. good. believes that. okay. thirty-four.

forty-five. could competition. how many want the strike? one company. we will lease that. one out? because only one company once it. it won't drive of the bonus bid. that's what they did. a handful were released. and some discoveries were made. it was in the hands of bureaucrats who had no experience or expertise or skin in the game. we changed all that. 40 million acres available for lease. the environmentalists and a conniption fit. the entire outer continental shelf available for oil and gas leasing. well, yes. available, but at the end of the day will be leased? that remains to be seen, what the industry wants to do. that event, as i lay out in my book, drove the industry into deep waters. part of it was a price issue over gas. part of it was what happened at the last of our up to alaska.

but that technological and forcing, saying it is all available wherever you think there is a potential for you to develop energy and minerals, go on and get it. that's what they did, and that's what they did. and we had huge remarkable successes. even opposed bp plot success that has been -- that i lay and in my book where we continue to drill in the deep water. remarkable, rorquals successes. where are we today? reagan and the entire after -- under, metals shelf available. obama has it almost entirely closed. even in the goal for weekend drill regarding kolbe's, president jimmy carter, you may remember, said i want to know develop a billion

tons of coal. then he set about making that impossible. he developed basically a, a system for leasing coal in the american west and imposed regulations on states that made it impossible for states to regulate the reformation of the call. i know i'm going a little -- inside baseball, but there was a lock on the service mining control reformation act passed by congress to say we want to make sure that when coal is mined in america the land is fully restored. with the states were promised, the members of congress and senators were promised, states will run their own programs. now, for those of you and of the clean water act, this is not like that. those allowed for dual control, federal land. but the service mining control and reformation act, the state runs it with the fed's run it. if the feds are running it the

states are out of the. and president carter adopted 500 pages of regulations and made it impossible for states to run their own programs. 500 pages of regulation. are not going to do it. we came into the reagan administration and said, were wrong to do what congress told us to, turn these programs over the state. and we did. and we're going to do with the american people need, leave school. we contel for it, but released cool. when you look today and see the results of that program, you will see that today, the top co-producer in the country is ahead of the next six. in fact, if you had the next six together they produce more cool. what has happened on state and local government, the state government is running their own program. especially here in the east, developing or controlling their own reclamation programs that is

led to greater production. they told them, you know, you can build a coal-fired power plant if you want after our president, but it will bankrupt you. and his agency's, the epa, out of control today, moving forward with that. just a few days the other really announced a war on : were quite clear about it. it is a war. strategic and critical minerals -- you rarely hear about this, but it was a hot topic for president reagan. of carter one of the talk a little bit about it, but he did not want to do anything about it. president reagan was the first to announce an ash to a national minerals policy. it said, i understand.

there are minerals out there and we have to have. kobold at the time was a hugely important one. most of our minerals came from foreign countries. we have a wealth of those minerals in this country and need to develop them. it was president reagan had vetoed to wilderness bills. when he vetoed simply because it had too much mineral land locked up in it and would prevent the development of strategic and critical minerals. in addition because there was concern about minerals president reagan rejected a lot of the sea treaty. great grand -- great mineral resources in the hour, and a shelf. i understand that president obama has a strategic and critical minerals task force in the white house. we will see what happens. our issue today is not so much coble to. it is still critically important for green technology, but the issue today is with regard to

the rare earth elements. and they're all in china along with our debt, are $16 trillion debt. that's where the rare earth this. we have rare earth elements in california, great deposit there. rick deposit in my own state of wyoming. her nose. finally, i want to mention that president then issue the exclusive economic proclamation. president reagan was great with regard to his belief in the need for us to protect our have become a shelf. president reagan went even further with this exclusive economic proclamation in 1983. have a copy of that in my book. i think it has been seen. proposing legislation to name an

after reagan. i want to take a few minutes to read a part of my book to you if i could. bear is a lot of love to read to you. i would love to read to you the part where reagan used for the first time ever his famous phrase if not us to comment on now win. it became famous of the -- as the second inaugural address. the first time he ever said it was when he told jim to move forward with the oil and gas leasing and said simply to him, if not us who. if not now wind. they're is a section in here when i show i think it is incredibly how the mainstream media is willing to lie and distort the truth in order to achieve an objective and how they lied about the reagan team and the reagan record. i think i categorically make the change of.

why why of of a love to read the parts you on how the reagan administration may sure there was an american flag, a heroic statue instead of want to read to you a part that comes from something that shows the kind of man that reagan truly was. what he believes, and the way he treated people. and the tremendous gulf that separated him from the other side. environmental extremists, as president reagan turned them, relentless in their attacks. one man in particular carry the attacks to an obsessive degree. the legendary photographer and so adams began writing a letter a day to newspapers and congressman decrying president reagan's disastrous environmental policies and his interior secretary.

he warned of a catastrophe, a tragedy, and the pro harbor of our american earth. then in may of 1983 and declared, i hate reagan. that got the president's attention. he told a top aide, want to talk to this man to find out why he dislikes me some much. meanwhile, reagan decided it was time to clear the air and straighten out the record on where my administration stands on environmental and natural resource management issues which was how he began his weekly radio address in june of 1983, and addressee personally researched and wrote out by hand. after some opening remarks on the new leaders and the environment protection is a that's enough about me. and then he continued a typical reagan address when he talked about the shape the parks or the

great record of is of ministers in pretty close this way. thanks to these efforts are country remains america the beautiful. is growing more healthy and beautiful each year. i hope this helps set the record straight because it's one we can all be proud of. until next week, thanks for listening and douglas you. it was classic ronald reagan. putting a set of complex issues. of course see and facility with the subject matter. been involved in these issues since he was governor of california. he resurge written and spoken out for years. now after delivering the addressee was ready to meet with adams, which she did a couple of weeks later in early july in beverly hills. reagan called adams the great nature photographer and wrote about the meeting in his diary.

he has expressed hatred for me because of my supposes in an environment. i asked for the meeting. i gave him chapter and verse about where released and the environment and what our record is. all in all the meeting seemed pleasant enough, and i thought maybe i had taken some of the acid out of his tank. and i read the story of the meeting as he gave it to the press. i'm afraid i was talking to years of refused to hear. sure enough adams emerged from a meeting on assuaged. he is self reagan personally halting his intelligence, imagination, and/or. and attacked his policies and the people appointed to implement them. the end of the story about the incident, the "washington post" reported that for all as intense anger adams seems hard pressed to document widespread and criminal damage from their policies. why was that? why was there such a gulf

between the two? from the beginning that confirmation movement held human beings at the center, whether the issue was the need for humans to sustain themselves by wise use and conservation of nature's bounty or the need to set aside permanently and unchanged preservation, a portion of guns and recreation for their emotional, physical, spiritual restoration. the focus was always on human beings. that changed, to reagan's great dismay during his lifetime. people are no longer at the center, just part of the plan. no greater and often worse than any other living thing, not only was mankind on a par with the flora and fauna, it was the enemy of creation. all the terrible things that happened were happening and might happen could be laid at the feet of, sapiens. in fact, the worst was yet to come because human beings had drained the world of its resources. they adapt -- unless they it

adapted to life of scarcity and sacrifice only pain and privation lay ahead and even then they thought it would be too late for human beings who were not only have wall with their own planet but the belief and technology was infantile. their hope for a bright future was shootout. ronald reagan would have none of the gloom and doom. in his 1980 presidential campaign he depicted the stark contrast between his vision of the future and that of president carter. president reagan ethier to what one social scientists call the human exceptional as a paradigm according to which human technology and ingenuity can continue infinitely to improve the human situation. carter, the earth day organizers and the environment of groups embraced in ecological paradigm which posits and burma to lemons to economic growth. it was much more.

it was additionally a battle between two competing systems of government, between big and powerful new deal style government run by progressives and technocrats like carter himself and a limited government envisioned by president reagan that emphasizes individual and economic freedom. little wonder, and viral extremists 80 reagan, lied about and then have lie about his record today. but ron reagan was right, perhaps the day will come when the american people will transcend and merman on groups and we get about preserving freedom, building prosperity, and protecting our environment in its truly special places. thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you for an excellent summary of the book which i am sure many of the people here will be interested in reading. we have a few minutes for

questions, and we will take the now. sir right over here. please wait for the microphone. there you go. in a fire yourself and then ask a question. >> the obama comment about replacement battery, how close to you believe that the reality, the five-year time frame? >> well, i am no expert. i don't believe it all. i don't think we are anywhere close to that. i think you just look at the marketplace unless happened with regard to all these great industries. i just read another story this morning and 01 more green industry in idaho after an expenditure of billions of dollars, collapsing, taking bankruptcy. i just don't think it these predictions are at all accurate. the great technological

advancements that have taken place is now with regard to green energy but is taking place in the oil patch. i don't think there anywhere close to that. yes, sir. >> a bi. very good to see. you were talking about the transformation of the conservation, taking people out of the equation and how president reagan opposed that. how did you restore? i never met an environmentalist did not love going to your. cultivating year. and it just seems ironic that as much as they love europe, they all seem to want to take human beings out of the equation in the u.s. >> i thought it was interesting that the secretary of state was on his yacht. well-to-do multimillion-dollar homes, on his job at the time of

president obama speech with regard to dealing with less. i think it is a great tragedy when you look at one of the things that we export that is very unfortunate, and carmen are radicals. one of the places environmentalists have been successful in attacking hydraulic fracturing is in africa in your. much to their dismay in to the detriment we have one of the poorest countries in the world and south africa. people in terrible shape over there. we have spread to them this terrible idea that android fracturing is a bad thing and they ought to prohibit it. i thought it was a terrible tragedy of the president of the united states said to the people in africa that fitness creches, everyone of you folks at cars and air-conditioning in a lovely home, the world to borrow from. reagan never saw them when.

reagan always believed that it would be to the benefit of everybody. and we have reduced our carbon footprint here in the united states simply as a result of our natural gas development. at think it changed to a place in 2009 with regard to this issue. for 25 years the gallup poll has run a poll asking people, what you think is more important? the environment or the economy? and for those 25 years the economy was always bow of the environment. and then in 2009 the lines crossed. it was the first time. and i think that is a sign. if you look at the employer rate today, people of color, but all young people today are suffering on how they find jobs. i think there is a recognition. almost the biggest demographic in which president reagan did so

well, young people. because he laid out hope. i just think it is a matter of education. i am dismayed when i see some corporations try to go green when really it is a false narrative. we are green. the great more -- warren brooks had a famous. >> is not government mandates that cause recycling and substitution and conservation the simply why throw that of the edge? maybe we can use that. thank you. any other questions? >> less question. >> on an internet the u.s. house of representatives. thank you for your remarks. much has been made of reagan's economic policy and how his

legacy as effective conservatives and even today. why is it so important moving toward the future to quantify and magnify, has yet done in your book about reagan's environmental and conservation is policy, especially for conservatism in the future. >> great. i think it's important because reagan -- i think in my book with this philosophy, we all know what reagan did of foreign affairs. and reagan shop richard allen. when he met with them back in '79, and 77 in the said, you know, my philosophy in dealing with the soviet union, we win and they lose. that was a shock for allen. you never anybody say that before. >> nixon, he worked with all the big shots of foreign affairs

treat them the same as the soviet union. believe that he also believed and harmelin groups, the environmental extremists the belief. and it did not happen. why? this is a question i addressed in my book. the reason was because of the miracle with regard to the economy. all the sudden this long agenda from iraq of vermeil movements above all, let's not cut trees here, dick for collier. let's put this off limits to increase these regulations. we can afford it. today we can't. we are incredibly broke and getting more so with every day. i think the solution is to go back. and the trouble and the difficulty in vermeil extremists. it was awful to the environment. he could not have been better for the internment.

one of the philosophical points often made during the reagan ministration was the we want to develop things now and it awful, prudent way as we move forward or we can develop resources rather than in crisis mode temecula to some of the crazy stuff the jimmy carter was proposing with regard to the mx missiles, putting in next missiles, the energy mobilization board, the huge grab of power to do all this crazy stuff, the hills none of which would divert. reagan learned that lesson. here we are with this crazy dream energy policy and is just checking the economy dry. missing one company after another go bankrupt. reagan showed us the way to rich future. everyone cares about the environment, but they also care about the personal environment.

people a part of the ecosystem. this balanced record that he presented provides great hope for the future. it's what people need to learn the lesson. the bottom line is a feeling treason -- reagan-era love sagebrush trouble. >> please join me in thanking -- [applause] >> you're watching book tv, nonfiction authors and books every weekend on c-span2 now on book tv jeremy talks about the secret war against terrorism being fought and around the world by the soldiers serving with the cia special activity division and the joint special operations command. this is about an hour and 15 minutes. >> and director of the author events series in a very pleased to welcome you all and to introduce our guest this

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